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1235372433 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1235372454 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1235379964 J * joss ~joss@58.171.232.128
1235379985 M * joss is there a branch of os-level virt, that does not require kernel patching?
1235380006 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1235380024 M * daniel_hozac depends on how complete you want it to be.
1235380091 M * joss daniel_hovac: i only need a network interface actually
1235380112 M * daniel_hozac "a network interface"?
1235380147 M * joss yep command line, just to do a hostname ip based netowrking in chrooted environement...
1235380179 M * daniel_hozac and a chroot is insufficient because...?
1235380225 M * joss how do i call servers started in chrooted environment?
1235380252 M * joss how can i reserve an ip to them, that points to that chail?
1235380271 M * daniel_hozac you can't.
1235380301 M * joss well thats the thing renderserver asks hostname not display nor user or 
1235380313 M * joss thats why vserver is needed ii think
1235380329 M * daniel_hozac sounds good.
1235380359 M * ghislainocfs2 daniel: hello !,  i created a page for util-vserver in the wiki, http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Cheatsheet if you have a minutes and can just check i do not put silly thing on it it would be great !! :) (some allready contributed to it)
1235380385 M * ghislainocfs2 daniel: i would not want to confuse people if i put wrong information there
1235380407 M * joss hozac: but those kernel patches seem to be rather big and should patch them bu hand, since i havent got a vanilla
1235380410 M * daniel_hozac i typically monitor all changes made to the wiki.
1235380443 M * daniel_hozac joss: and why not use a vanilla kernel?
1235380473 M * joss daniel_hozac: well apache does virtual hosts..hmm cause i need some eeepc acpi modules i think, but im not sure ..
1235380497 M * joss maybe not even,,think ubuntu have applied some here for that purpose
1235380517 M * ghislainocfs2 daliel: ok thanks a lot ! :)
1235380569 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-162-41.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net
1235380628 M * daniel_hozac joss: as long as you grab a recent vanilla kernel, you should be fine.
1235380653 M * joss daniel_hozac: you think eeepc modules are there?
1235380702 M * joss i have config for 2.6.27 and actually i downloaded 2.6.28 snapshot as well, that was not for eeepc i did not see anything braking, so they might be in mainstream kernel
1235380718 M * joss in that case ill start building vserver or openvz, which one is better?
1235380736 M * daniel_hozac you're in #vserver...
1235380741 M * joss daniel_hozac: do you support opengl and dri glx in guests?
1235380764 M * daniel_hozac with a bit of tweaking, sure.
1235380798 M * joss daniel_hozac: page about the procedure to do that for intel?
1235380871 M * joss daniel_hozac: actually i need to know first, if vserver is swicthed off i mean to host, can it be reachable with vnc client?
1235380895 J * davidkarban ~david@88.86.104.103
1235380896 M * joss like chvt to host, but access guest with vnc , possible?
1235380931 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/VserverAndXorg and http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/MoreUbuntu are the only pages off the top of my head.
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1235380951 M * daniel_hozac i have no idea what you mean.
1235380975 M * joss daniel_hozac: nop, just the tweak for glx i ment, if it does not work right away, whats needed to be done
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1235385252 J * joss ~joss@58.171.206.142
1235385315 M * joss is vserver integrated into vanilla source?
1235385346 M * opuk nope
1235385459 M * joss seems that opuk, page really redirects to vanilla source 2.6.27.14
1235385477 M * joss i think there is no patch included, right?
1235385491 M * joss debian packages are little too old
1235385518 M * joss http://linux-vserver.org/Downloads#Kernel_Patches
1235385620 M * joss aah 2.3  is the patch
1235385625 M * joss just chose 15 that did not have patch:D
1235385640 M * joss aah has one still
1235385643 M * joss 14 hasnt
1235385759 M * joss so opuk: need more docs, how to run Xserver ontop of guest?
1235385889 M * JonB joss: isnt there a faq about that?
1235385918 M * joss JonB: maybe, can you tell if you can switch between host and guest Xsessions?
1235385934 M * joss or all sessions are guests?
1235385946 M * JonB no, i only use vserver for server related stuff
1235385957 M * JonB do you need to run xfree86 or xorg?
1235385984 M * JonB or just gui programs that show their data on X11
1235385987 M * joss well i was thinking about it..
1235385996 M * joss opengl:)
1235386014 M * joss want to test chvt with vserver, i think it wont work
1235386040 M * JonB well, sorry, i dont have experience with that, and i have no experience with xfree86/xorg for a looooooong time
1235386049 M * joss lxc some other container magic says, 2.6.27 works without patching 
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1235386065 M * joss JonB: you are using Xvnc?
1235386076 M * joss how do you do 3d with those?
1235386086 M * JonB joss: no, i use a apple laptop and then ssh to the server
1235386091 M * JonB i dont do 3D at all
1235386102 M * JonB mail, www and ssh are my prime programs
1235386256 M * joss heh, i also think think vserver would not isolate grahical opengl prosses that use glx, but tryin still, fetching the kernel
1235386421 M * JonB joss: there are always the more slow and inefficient virtualisation solution
1235386503 M * joss JonB: yeah they suck mostly
1235386616 M * joss searching for a way to make network for chrooted environment
1235386741 M * joss how you access those tools, they should be in isolated environment, to switch back to host?
1235387554 M * joss http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Vservers+and+X
1235387619 M * joss JohnB: that tutorial misses the point i need to know about, connect from inside the vserver to exisgting Xserver..
1235387637 M * joss vncviewerc x11vnc one wont work that way actually
1235387648 M * joss can aynone say if that is possible?
1235388610 M * joss JonB: so vserver if started would just run backround as i understand..has ssh support
1235388740 M * JonB joss: is what possible?
1235388777 M * joss JonB: connectin to existing Xorg session on vserver host,, from inside the vserver 
1235388808 M * JonB isnt that just like any other normal X11 between different computers?
1235388810 M * joss existing Xorg session that is dri capable, that i need to make sur eof
1235388821 M * JonB aka, export the X variable
1235388827 M * JonB and run xhost +$ip
1235388836 M * JonB which is the quick dirty insecure method
1235388840 M * JonB the other is SSH -X
1235388963 M * joss yep that is what is what i hope, but i think i need that Xsession to be shared across several vservers
1235389197 M * joss but when chvt is issue i think that X wont broadcast anymore right?
1235389264 M * joss ok will see about that
1235389405 M * JonB cant you just use ssh keys and make a setup that forwards the X display every time?
1235389540 M * joss JonB: how?
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1235389576 M * joss JonB: i want it to forward dri capable session, that 3d apps work in it
1235389577 M * JonB joss: man ssh_config
1235389598 M * JonB i have no experience with DRI, so i dont know if it will work
1235389761 M * ard hmmm
1235389764 M * joss JonB: that i know , just  listen, you forward the ssh of xmdcp right, that would always give a new session to user Xsessions, first is dri capable others or not.
1235389779 M * joss i need to know, if that Xsession is left hanging there like an independant machine
1235389782 M * ard if you want the x-server, just make sure you have the /tmp/.X11/ available in your vserver
1235389802 M * ard unix socket communications are faster :-)
1235389814 M * JonB joss: why is it you want to run different X11 programs in different vservers?
1235389818 M * joss ard: like a machine that hasnt been chvt'd
1235389841 M * joss would be cool, want to test chromium renderserver
1235389861 A * ard tried running the X-server within a vserver :-)
1235389888 M * joss ard: ok you have vserver configuration available there?
1235389901 M * ard heh, no exactly...
1235389909 M * joss ard: try this!
1235389921 M * ard it's a question of unhiding things in /proc
1235389930 M * ard and give hardware access to your vserver
1235389943 M * joss open Xorg on host ok, then open x11vbc from there..
1235389961 M * joss then go to guest and try to connect to vnc session..see if you can access the server
1235389991 M * joss x11vnc
1235390008 M * ard that should work
1235390037 M * ard you need to acess it with a public ip though
1235390056 M * joss ard: it wont work on plain linux installation, since Xorg goes into sleep mode with keyboard and framebuffer
1235390139 M * ard http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12747 is the configuration to start an x-server within a vserver
1235390147 M * ard shell is the vserver that run's X
1235390164 M * joss ard: can you test this, if that works then it's cool
1235390165 M * ard It's hackish, but it did work
1235390225 M * ard Hmmmm, ok, one question: xorg on host, x11vnc on host, but what does the guest do?
1235390231 M * ard If it doesn't have an X output?
1235390259 M * joss fbvnc?
1235390280 M * joss i dunno..
1235390294 M * ard that doesn't work... You can only have one active graphics application at a time
1235390358 M * ard And you can't output the xvncviewer output to that same X-server, unless x11vnc is really asynchonous and doesn't lock the xserver
1235390417 M * joss ard: ah then it wont work i think
1235390489 M * joss ard: why the guest wouldnt have X output?
1235390516 M * joss cause it's not rendered ofscreen?
1235390587 M * joss ard: in other words two Xservers is not possible one running on host and other on guest as i see?
1235390598 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1235390603 M * Bertl morning folks!
1235390622 M * Bertl joss: a lot of stuff _is_ possible, it all depends on the details
1235390648 M * joss Bert1: ard just said it isn't followed the conferstaion?
1235390676 M * joss Bert1: how do you switch among the guest and host graphical environments at all?
1235390691 M * Bertl first, it depends on the actual X server and the guest permissions
1235390703 M * joss Bert1: i am trying to run chromium renderserver on single machine with single graphical unit:)
1235390741 M * Bertl second, 'normal' X access (which happens via network) works perfectly fine in a guest (or on the host)
1235390745 M * ard well, if you want multiple graphical environments, you have to insert multiple graphical cards ;-)
1235390772 M * Bertl third, unfortunately most X servers require low level hardware access, and thus excessive permissions
1235390792 M * joss ard: im afraid so, but vmgl can work with 3d over network even if the remote card does not support 3d..
1235390802 M * joss rendering is done on the host, and forwarded over wire
1235390817 M * joss high speed data link
1235390825 M * ard yes, but you need to rethink about what exaclty an X-server is.
1235390826 M * Bertl and that definitely will work for a guest to (regardless of which end the guest handles)
1235390861 M * ard joss : It doesn't matter how the data get's to the X-server and who renders it. With one card, you have only one output
1235390870 M * ard and that output will work for host, guest and remote
1235390911 M * joss hmm, i just thought this output could be multiplied with vncproxy
1235390914 M * ard and yes, it doesn't matter if that X-server runs on the host or in a vserver
1235390948 M * ard vnc is something completely different
1235390968 M * ard you'd better stick to the X-protocol
1235390980 M * joss seems i misunderstood then, since they use turbovnc on remote to get 3d out 
1235390986 M * ard and maybe use things like Xdmx if you have multiple machines
1235391059 A * ard wonders what you will get with vnc as 3d output canvas
1235391065 M * joss you self said that vnc would work if it is asynchorenus
1235391094 M * joss ard: look thinanywhere online videos, they get all the stuff
1235391111 M * ard x11vnc is to forward X11 display output as a vnc server
1235391113 M * joss accelerated processing of 3d content
1235391115 M * ard not as a client
1235391137 M * joss yep.
1235391183 M * joss vncproxy then then processes it,and all others connect to that , at least thats what described, and use that gpu to render graphics
1235391195 M * JonB and ontop of that x11vnc then you run vnc2swf
1235391205 M * ard If you are talking about: http://www.thinanywhere.com/pro3drdp.php4
1235391230 M * ard that figure shows an extension to the rfb protocol, which is actually the same as opengl over network
1235391258 M * joss yep
1235391273 M * joss so virtual machine should get the content then, or not?
1235391283 M * joss rfb should be vnc protocol itself
1235391292 M * joss remote framebuffer  stands for
1235391297 M * ard yes
1235391307 M * ard but I read it wrong, it said rdp ;-).
1235391335 M * ard but that one extends the protocol, it can't use simple vnc clients like xvncviewer
1235391339 M * JonB at least it wasnt drp, Digital Resolution Pixel
1235391385 M * joss theres a linux server also
1235391441 M * joss theres also vmgl virtualgl and sgi vizserver that do this
1235391493 M * ard allright, but what's the difference then to running Xvfb+x11vnc? Rendering would be terrible slow though.
1235391513 M * joss virtualgl requires pbuffers
1235391522 M * joss ard: tried that this is slow
1235391560 A * ard would suggest looking at chromium
1235391565 M * joss thats LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT and swrast
1235391605 M * joss ard: which is exaclty what i did..
1235391648 M * joss i do not still get how to use it with virtual machines to get the contents of rendering from another display
1235391691 M * joss with usual linux vncproxy wont  just forward the contest when X is switched off chvt'd
1235391715 M * ard Well, I am not really sure what you are trying to accomplish. But there is only one display. Maybe that's the misunderstanding that you have. You run only one X-server, and it get's it data through unix-sockets or a tcp connection
1235391723 M * joss but theoretically it should do that offscreen as well, lets say i use fb 128mb devided with one xorg and drm with renderer
1235391725 M * ard ah
1235391737 M * ard Xvfb doesn't need a graphics card, it renders to memory
1235391793 M * joss yeah but this is slow to use over vnc
1235391808 M * ard Hmmm, what you are refering to is GL indirect rendering, that's rendering to a texture
1235391816 M * ard well, vnc *is* slow
1235391841 M * ard optimized X-protocol can be way faster than vnc
1235391846 M * ard even on old hardware
1235391847 M * joss ard: yeah but there are enchenched vnc clients that doo better it seems
1235391860 M * ard by changing the rfb protocol...
1235391883 M * ard so on both sides it needs to be enhanced
1235391901 M * joss ok, has ncproxyy changed it then, that is a tool that manages this on chromium?
1235391932 M * joss chromium can use any vncviewer accordint to author on remote side
1235391956 M * ard I don't know, because I only have experience about the other side of vnc: thin bandwidth lines ;-)
1235392042 M * ard if you do use any vncviewer, an output of 1600x1200x24 means an update of 5.7MB/frame
1235392044 M * joss ard: i think it just wont work with chvt since, the cards memory is overwritten then..so to forward an existing X via any protocol one has to stick in that vt
1235392059 M * ard that's what I said
1235392099 M * joss ard: i just was asking if guest and host does this the same way..
1235392106 M * ard You need to focus on what exactly is an X-server, if you comprehend that, you will solve your problems easily :-)
1235392113 M * joss on vserver, you think it does?
1235392159 M * joss ard: using virtual machine, that is still not clear if rendering would work on non  accelerated X with vmgl
1235392203 M * joss lets say you run qemu with vmglext, glstub from there, and actually open vncviewer from another display, i think that also wont work:
1235392212 M * joss needs to be on same display im afraid
1235392239 M * joss http://www.linux.com/feature/154368
1235392313 M * joss but theoretically vm virtualizes the card..so thats a fuzzy to understand..i think that vm cards memory is still overwritten on chvt but i havent tried though, and resumed after coming back
1235392367 M * joss some are talking avout shadowfb, to do that offscreen though hardware accelerated
1235392818 M * joss havent tried that  i have intel their getting quite a lot with shadowfb with glxgears
1235392847 M * joss without drm module
1235392870 M * joss http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:RtyMX6v3LBAJ:www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php%3Fp%3D32602%26postcount%3D1+shadowfb+3d+dri&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a
1235392983 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@144.98-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1235393113 M * joss yeeh linux-src just exited have to download the source again
1235393135 M * joss firefox
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1235393229 M * Bertl  use wget or curl (which can resume downloads) for larger files
1235393241 M * joss ard: what you think of vmgl version ..?
1235393250 M * joss Bert1: yeah
1235393277 M * joss just wen for a risk again 11% ah will use wget
1235393379 M * joss Bert1: i think it would still overwrite the graphic contents when switched away from Xorg, and resume when coming back
1235393433 M * joss cause it definitely needs host Xorg to acheive that magic
1235393441 M * Bertl you can have more than one X11 running on any Linux host with just one graphics card
1235393458 M * Bertl but you have to switch between them (via vt)
1235393480 M * JonB hey Bertl 
1235393487 M * Bertl of course, the display will need to be completely regenerated after the switch (which is perfectly fine for X11)
1235393501 M * joss Bert1: other sessions are not dri capable
1235393532 M * Bertl that is a limitation of the DRI interface, not X11 per se
1235393542 M * joss Bert1. copy that? dri initing failes to them any other then the first one
1235393564 M * Bertl but I still do not see how that is Linux-VServer related at all
1235393652 M * joss Bert1: i just thought when shwotching to guest operationg system, then perhaps host Xorg will be left hanging, like for switching physical machined, like sitting in front of the other physical machine:)
1235393662 M * joss in front to another
1235393684 M * Bertl hmm?
1235393685 A * ard just put the letters of vmgl in the right order
1235393703 M * ghislainocfs2 daniel:  can i ask you a question about cgroups ?
1235393823 M * joss ard:eh?
1235393994 M * joss ard:elgoog?
1235394027 M * joss Bert1: thought that host and guest run in separate memory spaces:)
1235394379 M * joss ard: i think easier would be just to write a global shortcut to switch virtual desktops, maybe they will work on fullscreen opengl mode, haven't tested though
1235394379 M * joss guess not, comman sence says, game itself has this conf to save game data state
1235394731 M * joss ard: i had a page once that described how to do that in windows, can not find it here, was a thin vlient capable of doing multiple rdp sessions, with sala patch 3d enabled, or something like that
1235394776 M * joss you can get out of rdp sessions fullscreen quite easily ..mapping it-s shortcut 
1235395200 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1235395201 M * kwowt hello
1235395202 M * kwowt :>
1235395214 M * Bertl hey
1235395231 M * kwowt got a clean install now (vserver-sources on gentoo)
1235395240 M * kwowt now i need to install vserver&quota :p
1235395263 M * joss Bert1: how do you switch to guest at all if it has been started with vserver start command?
1235395278 M * joss and is configured with initing to tty
1235395284 M * Bertl you mean, how you enter the guest or what?
1235395333 M * Bertl if the guest is running X on a tty, then you switch to it with 'switchto' (the tty :)
1235395352 M * Bertl if you want to enter the guest, then you do that with 'vserver <name> enter'
1235395386 M * kwowt Bertl: which util-vserver for that (shared?) quota support?
1235395458 M * joss Bert1: cool,  where its written ? cant find the docs really?
1235395466 M * joss band  is that slow here
1235395470 M * joss fetching the userspace tools now
1235395509 M * joss Bert1: yeah i ment how to enter the guest
1235395540 M * joss Bert1: now how to switch back from there?
1235395542 M * Bertl kwowt: doesn't really matter
1235395566 M * Bertl joss: there is no back, just exit the shell
1235395594 M * joss exit X???? heh nice solution
1235395627 M * Bertl nah, exit the guest shell, if you switched to the terminal, you have to switch back (again switchto, on the host)
1235395687 M * joss how if i am not on the host anymore but in guest instead? 
1235395707 M * Bertl then you have to e.g. ssh to the host
1235395731 M * joss Bert1: ok i see
1235395762 M * joss or make a shortcut to do that via daemon inside the virt machine..ok nice
1235395788 M * joss need passwordless ssh though
1235395810 M * Bertl that's what rsa/dsa keys are for (among other things :)
1235395813 M * joss still crypted with keys
1235395942 M * joss Bert1: so the initial question was, can i get the X's vnc after switchto..
1235395970 M * joss that solution seems to indicate that when guest freezes so does the host..
1235396067 M * Bertl what do you mean with 'freezes'?
1235396133 M * joss hangs then prolly i can not get back to host
1235396147 M * Bertl why should the guest hang?
1235396181 M * joss Bert1: i think it should not when you provide stable software:)
1235396213 M * joss Bert1 anyways can you confirm i can not access the hosts Xserver from guest with that switchto?
1235396249 M * joss with drms drivers runnin on  the hosts Xorg sessions not xvfb
1235396266 M * Bertl switchto uses a kernel interface to select the tty, you do not have sufficient priviledges and access to do that from the guest
1235396309 M * joss Bert1: then it wont, can i give those privileges?
1235396453 M * Bertl probably yes
1235396511 M * joss so can i then access the Xserver running on host from guest via x11vnc's viewer and gett screen updates?
1235396531 M * Bertl you can do that without any priviledges
1235396587 M * Bertl as I said in the beginning, X11 (as protocol) and the vnc stuff uses network based communication, and that always works between guests and host
1235396601 M * joss Bert1: which is what i want, well Bert1 then it should work or not, getting 3d out of/forwarded from host to guest
1235396606 M * Bertl even usin shared unix (filesystem) sockets will work
1235396657 M * Bertl I'm still in the dark what you try to accomplish though
1235396676 M * joss Bert1: you could just confirm that if you can access a real Xdisplay that runx x11vnc
1235396698 M * joss can you just confirm that? ard said it wont by some reason
1235396699 M * kwowt Bertl: what matters then for quota? 
1235396713 M * Bertl joss: x11vnc is the server part, vncviewer the client
1235396753 M * joss Bert1: yes, host runs  the server guest runs the cllient..
1235396767 M * Bertl kwowt: mainly that you ge tthe setup right, do the mounts with the proper options and configure the vroot device (if you want security)
1235396802 M * Bertl joss: doesn't make sense, unless you have an X11 server running inside the guest (which I do not see a good reason for :)
1235396829 M * kwowt which setup?
1235396840 M * kwowt kernel?
1235396848 M * Bertl kernel and guest
1235396861 M * kwowt but mounts..
1235396864 M * kwowt is that shared quota?
1235396867 M * kwowt on one partition?
1235396868 M * joss Bert1: is that possible so you still do not understand, i  bad describer it seems, i want to share 3d between host and guest..
1235396894 M * Bertl kwowt: for shared quota, as I said some time ago, you need a quite old Linux-VServer patch to make it work
1235396906 M * Bertl joss: for what purpose?
1235396908 M * joss Bert1: does not matter, which way, can guest run Xorg and x11vnc and host can vncview it?
1235396920 M * kwowt Bertl: i know, thats why i'm asking which kernel and which util-vserver :P
1235396956 M * Bertl you probably have to do some digging to find the latest version (right before we dropped support for shared quota)
1235396975 M * joss to have different workspaces for 3d apps, and switchable, possibly different 3d desktops
1235397062 M * joss Bert1: can you confirm that, vncviewing from host to guest works or not, guest running drm X and x11vnc?
1235397085 M * Bertl vnc across host/guest works, as does X11 (or forwarding)
1235397122 M * joss not vnc but x11vnc, you know what that x11vnc -shared is?
1235397204 M * joss vnc would just open another non accelerated X on 590x , you could try, but i just got the kernel, and start compiling myself also
1235397248 M * joss normaally when one macine runs x11vnc on Xorg:0 Xorg:1 wont get the updates nor pass any iinput to it, vserver does it?
1235397340 M * joss so xorg:1 would just get the pic that was there when chvt is issued and it is stalled no more updates coming, unless you switch back and forth
1235397371 M * joss if that works in vserver, then i do not see any reason why renderserver wont
1235397566 M * Bertl try it out and let us know ...
1235397634 M * joss 1hour needed, bit tyred, just got the kernel
1235397658 M * joss should eat somethin while kernel compiles
1235397790 M * joss Bert1: i suppose chvt works on the host
1235397794 M * joss ?
1235397891 M * Bertl I hope so :)
1235398249 M * joss two patchsets, one is woth gsecurity, which one to try?
1235398306 M * Bertl if you don't know what grsecurity is/does (and how to configure it) better let it be for now
1235398307 M * joss ok made a usual one..
1235398376 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1235398381 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1235399365 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1235399815 M * kwowt hmm
1235399817 M * kwowt anyone still here?
1235399824 M * kwowt i'm tryin to setup quota 
1235399834 M * kwowt following http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Standard+non-shared+quota
1235399835 M * JonB no, we are all hiding
1235399861 M * kwowt it should make /dev/vroot/0 directory
1235399870 M * kwowt but all i have is /dev/vroot0/ 
1235399873 M * kwowt which is a device
1235399900 M * kwowt cp -af /dev/vroot0/ /vservers/gostovanje/dev/hdv1
1235399900 M * kwowt cp: cannot stat `/dev/vroot0/': Not a directory
1235400243 M * JonB i do not use quotas
1235400364 Q * joss Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235400844 M * kwowt nvm
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1235411142 M * ghislainocfs2 Daniel are you there :)
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1235411896 M * kwowt :>
1235411896 M * kwowt rsync --numeric-ids -aPxvzc box4.si-shell.net:/vservers2/game/ /vservers/game
1235411907 M * kwowt would this be the right command to move a server?
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1235412284 J * Alteisen ~daniel@p5B01D9F6.dip.t-dialin.net
1235412290 M * Alteisen re
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1235413008 M * joss_ kwowt: have you used 3d in vserver , host or guest? ed capable driver?
1235413284 M * joss_ kernel is nearly finished..time to try it out, yaiks
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1235414090 J * geb ~geb@70.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net
1235414111 M * geb hi
1235414191 P * gnuk NoFeature
1235414209 M * kwowt :>
1235414412 M * Alteisen my kernel does not compile :-(
1235414425 M * Alteisen In file included from kernel/sched.c:2232:
1235414425 M * Alteisen kernel/sched_hard.h: In function 'vx_try_skip':
1235414425 M * Alteisen kernel/sched_hard.h:48: error: implicit declaration of function 'vxm_idle_skip'
1235414430 M * Alteisen and so on...
1235414485 M * Alteisen first it did not work because of a missing zlib1g-dev, now this error
1235414823 M * Bertl_oO which one is that?
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1235414977 M * Alteisen i have successfully applied the modified vs2.3.0.36.7 to vanilla linux-2.6.28.7
1235414985 M * Alteisen made make menuconfig
1235414998 M * Alteisen and make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image --config oldconfig --revision vs2.3.0.36.7+alix2d3.00 --append-to-version vs2.3.0.36.7+alix2d3.00 --initrd
1235415032 M * Bertl_oO either use the 2.6.28.7 patch or apply the sminc-fix01 delta
1235415053 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.116.187
1235415131 M * Alteisen Bertl_oO: where can i find 2.6.28.7 patch?
1235415203 M * Bertl_oO the usual place, linked on the main Linux-VServer page
1235415264 M * Alteisen ah, got it
1235415290 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1235415422 M * kwowt hi Bertl_oO
1235415450 M * kwowt i moved my vservers with rsync --numeric-ids -aPxvzc IP:/vservers2/game/ /vservers/game
1235415453 M * kwowt is that correct?
1235415483 M * kwowt now that i wanna start it from the new host i get
1235415483 M * kwowt save_ctxinfo: open("/usr/local/var/run/vservers/game"): No such file or directory
1235415509 M * joss_ script needed to update initrd prrr..     cd to ubuntu/initrd/lib/modules/             for i in $(find . -type f ) ; do cp /lib/modules/2.6.27.10-vs2.3.0.36.4/$i /boot/veel/ ; done
1235415527 M * joss_ heck that script wont do dirs..
1235415577 M * joss_ is there a command like copy that creates the parent dirs as well onthefly?
1235415599 M * joss_ lile parsing /'s
1235415649 M * joss_ like
1235415684 M * Bertl_oO kwowt: and, does /usr/local/var/run/vservers exist?
1235415689 M * kwowt no
1235415720 M * kwowt thx :P
1235415757 M * joss_ ah got it should do with sed show only conext after last /
1235415877 M * Bertl_oO kwowt: which suggests, that your old and new util-vserver doesn't match
1235415891 M * Bertl_oO kwowt: compare the output of vserver-info - SYSINFO
1235415893 M * kwowt Bertl_oO: hmm, is that bad?
1235415917 M * Bertl_oO well, it just means that you have to manually adjust all the links in the config trees
1235415962 M * kwowt i see some differences yes, in directory
1235415969 M * kwowt where do i change that paths?
1235416071 M * joss_ aih still, knowt: you know how to strip directories from such files, output /sss/hhh/somefile.txt to be only /sss/hhh/?
1235416113 M * Bertl_oO kwowt: when you build util-vserver
1235416168 M * kwowt Bertl_oO: now that i've created that missing link, this is ok right? i dont need to change em?
1235416200 M * Bertl_oO not a link, you need to adjust _all_ the links in /etc/vservers/
1235416221 M * Bertl_oO defaults will have about 3, and each guest 3 more
1235416227 M * kwowt hm
1235416232 M * kwowt i emerged util-vserver
1235416248 M * kwowt i didnt have the chance to set dirs :)
1235416265 M * kwowt well this is for the ones i move, right? all the new vservers will work correctly?
1235416448 M * joss_ Bert1_oO: can you help me with such sed script? how to strip anything before the last / ?
1235416852 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1235417594 M * joss_ prr
1235417668 M * Bertl_oO joss_: sure, I give you my account details in a private chat, and you can get some serious sed consulting from me ...
1235417697 M * joss_ hehee
1235417711 M * Bertl_oO kwowt: should be fine for new guests
1235417714 M * joss_ lets be serious then right away
1235417729 M * joss_ lets start learning boys
1235417838 M * joss_ echo /some/some/mis.txt | sed 's#.*\(.*\)/#\1#'
1235417928 M * daniel_hozac you already have dirname to do that for you, as well as bash.
1235417937 M * daniel_hozac e.g. echo ${var%/*}
1235417948 M * joss_ tired really, cant post the results today Bert1_oO
1235417969 M * joss_ uuuh....daniel_hozac, i new there is something that manages this
1235417989 M * Bertl_oO and 'man bash' would have told you
1235418263 M * joss_ i haven't even sseen % before in basc shript, anyways initrd  ready, nice...bbs.
1235418288 M * joss_ aaaah, any special gtub parameters needed?
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1235418784 M * Alteisen Bertl_oO: thanks.
1235418802 M * Alteisen vm-00:/usr/src# ls *.deb
1235418803 M * Alteisen linux-image-2.6.28.7-vs2.3.0.36.7vs2.3.0.36.7+alix2d3.00_vs2.3.0.36.7+alix2d3.00_i386.deb
1235418813 M * Bertl_oO np
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1235420646 M * nkukard Alteisen, thats one hell of a filename  :)
1235420711 M * Bertl_oO yeah, the numer of vs2.3.0.36.7 repetitions is probably to ensure that they won't get lost this time :)
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1235421087 M * nkukard :)
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1235421565 M * Alteisen must be something that is caused by the allmighty debian make-kpkg voodoo
1235421720 M * Alteisen but my kernel boots and i have now 12 MB/sec instead of 8 MB/sec throughput on my boot device
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1235421781 M * Bertl_oO excellent!
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1235421877 M * Alteisen the kernel still needs some optimizations, but now i know the way ;-)
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