1235261160 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-162-41.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net 1235263142 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@71.93-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1235263142 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer 1235263469 Q * doener Quit: Guess I suck today 1235264329 J * doener ~doener@i577BAFDE.versanet.de 1235265201 Q * bono Quit: Leaving 1235267161 Q * pflanze Remote host closed the connection 1235267273 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1235267278 M * Bertl back now ... 1235268348 J * bono bono@118-160-169-172.dynamic.hinet.net 1235271171 M * Bertl off to bed now ... cya! 1235271176 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1235271638 J * aj__ ~aj@e180223109.adsl.alicedsl.de 1235272061 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235274563 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235275112 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-38-23.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235280663 Q * Adrinael Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235280910 Q * geb Remote host closed the connection 1235281540 J * Adrinael adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi 1235282476 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch 1235284062 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1235290112 Q * aj__ Remote host closed the connection 1235290838 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180223109.adsl.alicedsl.de 1235291969 J * harobed ~harobed@arl57-1-82-231-110-14.fbx.proxad.net 1235291989 J * doener_ ~doener@i577BA5DE.versanet.de 1235292088 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235292669 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235292961 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving. 1235293351 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.58.154 1235294120 Q * klike Quit: leaving 1235294417 J * phedny ~mark@phedny.vps.van-cuijk.nl 1235294961 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1235294972 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1235297036 J * hijacker ~hijacker@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg 1235297052 J * kaner ~kaner@zzz.strace.org 1235297233 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.116.187 1235298181 M * meebey how do I create a new vserver? lenny dropped support for the legacy config 1235298276 M * meebey it's neither vserver-build nor vserver build as the manpage claimed 1235298338 M * meebey or its probably vserver foo build... 1235298468 M * meebey vserver test build -m clone -n test --hostname pbx --netdev eth0 -- source /root/empty/ 1235298468 M * meebey /usr/lib/util-vserver/functions: line 84: cd: /etc/vservers//vdir: No such file or directory 1235298473 M * meebey wondering what I do wrong here 1235298491 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235298832 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch 1235299273 M * hijacker build your utils with no legacy then ... 1235299301 M * hijacker --with-apis=NOLEGACY pass that to configure 1235299488 M * meebey hijacker: the issue is the other way around, it's not supporting legacy config... but thats more a minor issue as I should use "current" config anyhow 1235299499 M * meebey hijacker: but my attempts to create a clean template failed 1235300866 J * Piet ~piet@asteria.debian.or.at 1235305541 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-19-20.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235305812 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.106.201 1235307548 Q * karasz Quit: leaving 1235307650 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1235308711 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1235308714 M * Bertl morning folks! 1235308722 M * Bertl meebey: your installation is incomplete 1235308907 M * meebey Bertl: ohoh :( 1235308912 M * meebey Bertl: thats lenny... 1235308927 M * Bertl wouldn't surprise me 1235308959 M * meebey Bertl: same version as in unstable, is the debian package to be known to be that broken? 1235308964 M * Bertl but try with a simple example first 1235308979 M * meebey Bertl: whats the most simple example? 1235308997 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Building_Guest_Systems 1235309019 M * Bertl try the lenny guest first, as example 1235309024 M * meebey trying 1235309071 M * meebey /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build.debootstrap: line 71: /usr/bin/wget: No such file or directory 1235309088 M * meebey *cough* wget should be a recommends if vserver build is the prefered way to create a vserver on debian 1235309100 A * meebey installs wget 1235309102 M * Bertl see, as I said, it's broken :) 1235309163 M * meebey our company is relying on those tools, as our server infrastructure is based on vserver. I might be able to get time to work on the debian package 1235309185 M * meebey just have to check with the current maintainer if contributions are welcome 1235309199 M * Bertl you probably need to get rid of the old maintainer, and then team up with the new one 1235309219 M * Bertl currently, the only thing that happens (as it seems to me) is chaos and unfortunate decisions 1235309294 M * meebey hm looks like I found a bug in the parameter parser of vserver 1235309311 M * meebey vserver vserver1 build -m debootstrap 1235309312 M * meebey E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/deb5.0 1235309319 M * meebey thats different than 1235309326 M * meebey vserver vserver1 build -m debootstrap 1235309334 M * meebey whitespace should be ignored 1235309410 M * meebey nevermind, its the stupid bootstrap script that behaves differently on 2. invocation 1235309410 M * meebey narf 1235309439 M * meebey .oO( non-idempotent ) 1235309517 M * meebey Bertl: command as on the website seems to lead to success 1235309531 M * meebey debootstrap is downloading packages at least now 1235309767 M * Bertl let's wait and see, if that works, you cna probably make your build work too 1235309800 M * meebey yeah 1235309811 M * meebey mostly I only do this to get a template config 1235309817 M * meebey this server has only legacy configs .) 1235309852 M * meebey happens when you are a longtime vserver user :-P so with lenny they _must_ convert now 1235309867 M * meebey uh oh, thing is 1235309877 M * meebey the package didnt warn about that dropped support 1235309883 M * Bertl well, to be honest, you should have switched to the new config 5 years ago :) 1235309896 M * meebey so people who reboot will get a server with non-booting guests 1235309908 M * Bertl but there is still support for legacy configs in util-vserver 1235309911 M * meebey which they usually have to do to get the updated kernel 1235309926 M * meebey Bertl: not in debian though, then its a debian bug 1235309933 M * meebey Bertl: either for not shipping that or for not telling its users 1235309978 M * meebey Bertl: there was no need and no benefit for me to invest the time to convert all configs... I didn't have any fancy config requirements :) 1235309995 M * Bertl well, on any non-debian like distro, util-vserver comes in several packages 1235309998 M * meebey new vservers I created got the new layout 1235310029 M * Bertl core, lib, sysv, build, legacy ... 1235310172 M * meebey erm 1235310175 M * meebey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Feb 22 14:31 cache -> /etc/vservers/.defaults/cachebase/vserver1 1235310184 M * meebey is that one required? I never created that one 1235310188 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-44-145.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235310320 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1235310328 M * geb hi 1235310390 M * Bertl everybody says hi :) 1235310518 M * meebey Bertl: hm that doesnt explain required "settings" but I see there is a cachebase, so I guess its optional? 1235310773 M * Bertl almost none of the config entries are 'required' 1235310785 M * Bertl most of them will be created on demand 1235310788 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1235310792 M * nkukard hi guys :) 1235310811 M * nkukard was wondering if there is a quick way to rename a vserver apart from doing it manually or cloning and removing the old one 1235310839 M * Bertl the question is, what part do you want to 'rename' 1235310898 M * nkukard well, its currently /vservers/xyz i made a typo and have setup 40 of them on different servers :( 1235310902 M * nkukard I must rename all of them to abc 1235310929 M * nkukard well, manually I change everything in the config dirs, including the symlinks 1235310936 M * Bertl so, you want to change the directory, or the 'name' or the hostname? 1235310944 M * nkukard directory 1235310951 M * nkukard hostname is easy 1235311048 J * karasz ~karasz@shell.opensde.net 1235311059 M * Bertl just move it to a different one, and change the vdir symlink accordingly 1235311069 M * Bertl (do that when the guest is down) 1235311098 M * nkukard yea, thought there was an easy way tho ... i'll make as script, thanks 1235311128 M * Bertl IIRC, daniel_hozac plaaned to add a 'rename' functionality at some point, zou might ask him what happened to that 1235311307 Q * bono Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235311569 M * nkukard bout 20 lines of script :) 1235312688 Q * harobed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235314597 M * Bertl meebey: ah, now I understand, you are trying to 'clone' a legacy guest? 1235314688 M * nkukard Bertl, devel versions still running 100% smoothly on x86_64 1235314842 M * Bertl excellent! 1235318220 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1235318708 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch 1235319615 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl 1235319621 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1235320341 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.116.187 1235320370 Q * cga 1235321982 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235322001 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235322349 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.116.187 1235323963 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa 1235325122 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.59.253 1235325741 Q * wibble Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235325982 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235326011 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1235326407 J * Eimann eimann@chaconne.etherkiller.de 1235326420 M * Eimann moin 1235326678 M * Eimann Is there a way to undo the things which the postinst scripts does to a Debian Vserver? Like when i do vserver bla build ... 1235328049 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.204.101 1235328342 N * pmenier pmenier_off 1235328800 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-60-42.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235330232 M * Eimann ok, fixed by purging lots of init/sysv stuff and reinstalling 1235330235 M * Eimann bye 1235330238 P * Eimann 1235330691 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1235332706 J * Alteisen ~daniel@p5B01BE69.dip.t-dialin.net 1235332959 J * ser ~ser@sergiusz.pawlowicz.name 1235332990 M * Alteisen sorry for maybe asking an faq, but what kernel/vserver-patch combination do you recommend for debian lenny? as far as i could see, debian uses linux-2.6.26 with vs2.3.0.35; this vserver patch is newer than devel, that leads to the impression that the newer the better... 1235333015 M * ser where can i put a default list of packages to install for "vserver xxxxxx build -m debootstrap..." command? 1235333069 M * ser Alteisen: lenny's vserver kernel is pretty stable, i am using it on many servers 1235333127 M * Alteisen ser: yes, i know. but i am going to build my own one, a stripped down kernel for a pcengines alix 2d3 embedded mainboard. 1235333159 M * Alteisen and yes, i am too stupid to use the allmighty debian make-kpkg --added-patches magic. 1235333177 M * ser Alteisen: i recon to keep with the line to avoid unnecessary work, but it is your decision 1235333251 M * ser Alteisen: make-kpkg is not hard to learn 1235333297 M * ser imho simpler than rewriting it by yourself and keeping up2date 1235333317 M * Alteisen ser: can you teach me how to make use of the "--with-added-patches"? i have installed the linux-source-packages with debian patches 1235333343 M * ser Alteisen: debian kernel docs are wonderful, just read them once 1235333344 M * Alteisen but i did not found any usable tutorial for adding the patches 1235333502 M * Alteisen ser: do you have a link for me? 1235333518 M * hijacker night all 1235333521 Q * hijacker Quit: Leaving 1235333578 M * Alteisen ser: i have made some scripts for creating a vserver 1235333664 M * Alteisen basically i do vserver foo build bla debootstrap 1235333686 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1235333690 M * Bertl back now ... 1235333729 M * Alteisen then i copy some prepared config files to the vserver, then apt-get install or remove packages from the host within the vserver guest 1235333778 M * Alteisen ser: you can have my scripts, if you like to look at them 1235333814 M * ser are they better then http://pawlowicz.name/faq/vserver ? 1235333850 M * Alteisen don't know 1235333861 M * ser yes i know i can debootstrap then apt-get install, but how to do it at once during vserver build :) 1235333974 M * Alteisen ser: once there were debian scripts, but experts from here told me, that they are bad. they recommended me to build my own scripts. 1235333982 M * Bertl ser: IIRC, debottstrap allows to specify 'packages' 1235334010 M * Bertl I also think that util-vserver has a list of 'seed' packages for a new guest 1235334022 M * Bertl (which pull in all the other ones via dependancies) 1235334043 M * Bertl Alteisen: was patches are you talking about? 1235334084 M * ser Bertl: how to pass debootstrap options to vserver build? 1235334106 M * Bertl vserver - build --help 1235334151 M * ser ok, another -- - thanks 1235334162 M * Bertl or as I was told is more comprehensible 'vserver dummy build --help' :) 1235334222 M * ser thanks, it works perfectly 1235334232 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1235334316 M * Alteisen Bertl: i have installed the debian kernel source package with patches. but the patches are not applied yet. i do not understand how to call make-kpkg with --added-patches to build my own kernel. 1235334447 M * ser Alteisen: have you read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ ? 1235334563 M * Alteisen ah, thanks for that link 1235334568 M * Alteisen i will read it 1235334590 M * Bertl Alteisen: why not build a recent vanilla kernel with Linux-VServer patches? 1235334631 M * ser Bertl: who will maintain it later? :-) 1235334661 M * Bertl 2.6.27.x is long term maintained, and so is the Linux-VServer patch for that (for example) 1235334697 A * nkukard really likes 2.6.27 1235334787 M * ser imho debian is longer maintained, it is easier to base on their kernel 1235334807 M * ser but of course it is only my view 1235335012 J * geb_ ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-60-42.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235335220 M * arekm Bertl: hm, was there any reason for not making per guest loopback ipv6 addresses the same as for ipv4? 1235335276 M * Bertl don't know ... probably not needed, ask bonbons 1235335296 M * arekm bonbons: same question 8) 1235335304 M * daniel_hozac it's just not been done yet. 1235335348 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235335647 M * Alteisen Bertl: depends on what is easier for me ;-) but generally, i like the "vanilla-kernel plus vs-patch via make-kpkg"-way 1235335665 M * Alteisen ser: i have to maintain my custom kernel anyway 1235335697 M * ser Alteisen: hard work, and very unsecure :-( 1235335701 M * Alteisen if debian brings out an updated kernel source tree for lenny, i have to go through all the steps again 1235335747 M * Alteisen i also might use the debian default kernel, but with my very limited hardware, i would like to mark out any kernel option i do not need. 1235335848 M * Bertl which makes perfect sense 1235335889 M * Alteisen Bertl: so you recommend the most recent 2.6.27 with according patches? 1235336022 M * Bertl well, it has all the fixes and stuff, so I'd use that or 2.6.28.x 1235336061 M * Alteisen .o( the only way is up... ) 1235336123 M * Alteisen according to the linux-vserver-website, it's 2.6.28.4 with vs2.3.0.26.7? 1235336182 M * Alteisen another question, how can i detect via vservser-info, which version of vserver-patch is used? the given number does not correspond with the version number. 1235336196 M * Bertl should apply fine to 2.6.28.7 1235336245 M * Bertl the information is in the kernel version 1235336261 M * Bertl i.e. 2.6.28.4-vs2.3.0.26.7 1235336547 M * Alteisen where can i find that? uname -a doesn't tell me, and also it is not in the config. 1235336561 M * Bertl you mean, for debian? 1235336562 M * Alteisen minimoo:/boot# uname -a 1235336563 M * geb_ vserver-info 1235336564 M * Alteisen Linux minimoo 2.6.22.19x24ds.02 #1 PREEMPT Mon Mar 3 22:16:33 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux 1235336582 M * Alteisen minimoo:/boot# vserver-info 1235336584 M * Alteisen Versions: 1235336584 M * Alteisen Kernel: 2.6.22.19x24ds.02 1235336584 M * Alteisen VS-API: 0x00020200 1235336584 M * Alteisen util-vserver: 0.30.216-pre2772; Jan 13 2009, 12:32:16 1235336598 M * Bertl well, for whatever reason, debian folks tend to hide this information, so either the source or changelog contains the info 1235336611 M * Alteisen i had the hope, that VS-API would contain the vs-patch version 1235336620 M * daniel_hozac that's not a Debian kernel. 1235336622 M * Bertl nope, just the API version 1235336633 M * daniel_hozac you've built that yourself. 1235336660 M * Alteisen yes, that is a vanilla kernel with vs patch. built with make-kpkg. 1235336681 M * daniel_hozac so why did you name it like that? 1235336686 M * Alteisen because i build the kernel on a different system to keep out the gcc from the vserver host 1235336716 M * geb_ Alteisen, if you build your own kernel, use "append to version" for adding the vserver patch informations 1235336763 M * Alteisen because this special kernel is for a special machine. it contains "x24" because it is a thinkpad x24, "ds" are my initials, and .02 is the 3rd try. 1235336775 M * Alteisen geb_: i do. 1235336784 M * Bertl well, so add vsX.Y.Z too :) 1235336806 M * Alteisen i use --revision x24ds.02 --append-to-version x24ds.02 1235336895 M * Alteisen Bertl: ok. if that is the way, i'll do; but the kernel name will get longer with every added patch. Is there no way to determine the vserver-patch version by asking vserver-info oder -whatever? 1235336972 M * Bertl make a patch to provide that info from inside the kernel (should be fairly easy) or add some section to the kernel containing the info 1235336997 M * Bertl but yes, the way we use is to put it into the kernel version 1235337141 M * geb_ "should be faily easy": it depend for who ;) 1235337188 M * Alteisen um, i am no developer or programmer 1235337610 M * Alteisen i just applied the vs2.3.0.36.7 to linux-2.6.28.7, and had a rejected thing wich made a Makefile.rej 1235337624 M * Bertl yes, that's the extra version 1235337630 M * Alteisen exatly 1235337638 M * Bertl either add it manually or wait a few seconds 1235337667 M * Alteisen i have time. 1235337734 M * Alteisen lol. "Erotic Pickled Herring" - wtf? 1235338008 Q * Chlorek Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235338220 M * Alteisen Bertl: is it just changing the .4 to .7 in the patchfile? 1235338283 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch 1235338299 M * Alteisen ok, it is. 1235338302 M * Alteisen got it. 1235339002 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1235339008 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch 1235340366 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1235341250 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p5B23BBDA.dip.t-dialin.net 1235341636 M * Bertl k, uploaded updated versions 1235341739 J * saulus ~saulus@c152158.adsl.hansenet.de 1235341885 M * meebey isn't echo eth0 > interfaces/foo/ip; touch interfaces/foo/nodev the correct way to assign a host interface to a guest? 1235341918 M * meebey vserver pbx start 1235341918 M * meebey Invalid IP number 'eth0' 1235341921 M * meebey getting that now 1235342876 M * Bertl not unexpected, eth0 is no ip :) 1235342894 M * Bertl you cannot assign interfaces to guests. period. :) 1235342913 M * Bertl you can assign a subset of the host IPs to guests 1235343058 Q * geb_ Quit: Quitte 1235343485 Q * hohosydoz Remote host closed the connection 1235343505 J * gepuveqob ~gepuveqob@193.43.249.169 1235343784 Q * gepuveqob Remote host closed the connection 1235343802 J * vimegyje ~vimegyje@193.43.249.169 1235344130 Q * docelic Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1235344264 J * SlackLnX ~Lee@85.139.11.243 1235344651 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235345222 Q * kir Ping timeout: 480 seconds