1235001609 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1235001901 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235001952 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
1235002696 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235007844 J * dallas ~dallas@sf.newdream.net
1235008340 Q * dallas Quit: dallas
1235009970 J * pflanze ~chris__@trex.iro.umontreal.ca
1235010455 Q * pflanze Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235010583 J * pflanze ~chris__@trex.iro.umontreal.ca
1235011830 M * pflanze ensc: I want to switch off VC_NXF_SINGLE_IP in the configuration of my guest (or rather: of all of my guests, I think).
1235011859 M * pflanze So it seems I need to create a file /etc/vservers/<vserver-name>/nflags
1235011875 M * pflanze but I'm not sure how to switch on and especially *off* some flags
1235011923 M * pflanze Looking at lib/nflags-net.c I see that it expects lowercase words, ok. But does it just bitwise together all of the entries? i.e. do I need to know which entries are the usual default and not forget those?
1235011949 M * pflanze (or, worse, get incompatible if another flag is added later on and ON by default but I'm missing it?)
1235012438 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@e180196034.adsl.alicedsl.de
1235012609 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1235012866 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1235014821 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1235015507 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235015589 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1235018346 Q * balbir_ Read error: Operation timed out
1235020344 Q * bzed Remote host closed the connection
1235020351 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1235020358 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de
1235020358 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1235020368 N * Loki_muh Loki|muh
1235020824 Q * pflanze Remote host closed the connection
1235021506 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1235022560 J * emcepe ~mcp@wolk-project.de
1235022577 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1235022577 N * emcepe mcp
1235022748 J * opuk ~kupo@potatisbulle.com
1235023440 J * nas ~chatzilla@opengw.lga.net.sg
1235023483 M * nas guys
1235023492 M * nas i get this error when starting a vserver
1235023498 M * nas "/bin/sh: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6)
1235023499 M * nas /bin/sh: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6)
1235023501 M * nas An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when
1235023503 M * nas there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script
1235023504 M * nas (/etc/init.d/rc 3) failed."
1235024378 Q * balbir_ Remote host closed the connection
1235026360 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1235026448 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1235027386 Q * kwowt Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235027889 M * pmjdebruijn nas: did you follow the migration guide?
1235027942 M * nas which migration guide?
1235027954 M * nas i normally do an rsync then ok
1235027961 M * nas but this one is different
1235028158 M * ktwilight__ nas, start reading the docs ;)
1235028175 M * pmjdebruijn nas: and are you sure you copied everything properly
1235028189 M * pmjdebruijn nas: no files are corrupt? try md5sums
1235028226 M * ktwilight__ would be good to know what command was issued to create that new vserver.
1235028431 M * nas yeah it was copied
1235028434 M * nas the size is the same
1235028443 M * pmjdebruijn md5sum!
1235028446 M * nas and i run rsync twice
1235028453 M * nas oh ok
1235028544 M * pmjdebruijn nas: have you tried chrooting to the vserver, and running ldd on /bin/sh
1235028585 M * nas nope
1235028839 M * pmjdebruijn try
1235029136 M * nas sorry i'm a newbie, i'm still looking into how to do that
1235029147 M * nas haven't used chroot before
1235029148 M * pmjdebruijn nas: chroot VSERVER-DIR
1235029264 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@218.102-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1235029300 M * nas i get the same error: chroot /vservers/myvserver
1235029305 M * nas "/bin/bash: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by /bin/bash)
1235029307 M * nas /bin/bash: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /lib/tls/libdl.so.2)"
1235029325 M * pmjdebruijn nas: well then this isn't a vserver issue... but a generic issue
1235029334 M * pmjdebruijn nas: in short, your vserver is heavily broken
1235029348 M * pmjdebruijn nas: did you rsync with the proper options?
1235029396 M * nas rsync -auvz --delete --progress --stats src::root /vservers/myvserver
1235029408 M * nas usually do this, works fine for others
1235029421 M * pmjdebruijn what's "different" about this vserver?
1235029428 M * pmjdebruijn different distro?
1235029430 M * nas it's a dns server
1235029437 M * nas distro same
1235029440 A * pmjdebruijn isn't talking about the services
1235029470 M * nas it's debian 3, i have rsync several debian 3
1235029471 M * arekm run /vservers/myvserver//lib/libc.so.6 to see which ver is that
1235029472 M * nas is ok
1235029520 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@163.82-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1235029543 M * nas arekm: how to run?
1235029599 M * arekm write "/vservers/myvserver//lib/libc.so.6" onto terminal and press enter
1235029600 M * arekm ;>
1235029681 Q * ktwilight__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235029738 M * pmjdebruijn nas: you're still running Sarge... I hope you are aware Sarge isn't supported anymore...
1235029767 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235029775 M * nas yup that's why i am upgrading
1235029781 M * nas the host is etch
1235029970 M * pmjdebruijn nas: huh?
1235029981 M * pmjdebruijn nas: how did you upgrade? you upgraded the source host, before rsyncing?
1235029988 M * nas nope
1235029992 M * nas the src is newly installed
1235029996 M * nas it's etch
1235030002 M * pmjdebruijn why would you do that
1235030007 M * pmjdebruijn you can generate new vserver on the fly
1235030025 M * nas nope i mean the host is newly installed
1235030032 M * nas it's etch
1235030040 M * nas then i put vservers inside
1235030064 M * nas wherein the one which is having problem is rsync-ed from a standalone PC
1235030318 M * pmjdebruijn oh
1235032107 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1235032342 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1235032730 J * doener ~doener@i577B855D.versanet.de
1235032833 Q * doener_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235032921 J * uva bono@118-168-234-21.dynamic.hinet.net
1235033048 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235033660 M * nas how to escape from chroot
1235033680 M * nas i chroot to one of the vserver, then i cannot go back to host
1235033734 M * arekm "exit"
1235033764 J * dna ~dna@p54BCC144.dip.t-dialin.net
1235034159 M * pmjdebruijn nas: also, don't chroot to running vservers
1235034204 A * ard does it all the time
1235034226 M * ard I mean syncing from a normal server onto a /var/lib/vservers/bloep
1235034244 M * ard you must take precautions to cleanup /dev though
1235034411 M * ard an easy way is to prep a debootstrap variant of the host you want to copy, mv that one aside, sync the source host to it, and replace the /dev of the sync with the generated one, and use the generated version to patch up minor things
1235035697 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235036681 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@80.69.42.51
1235037094 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1235037116 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1235037432 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235038084 Q * uva Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235038089 J * bono bono@118-160-170-142.dynamic.hinet.net
1235038793 Q * nas Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008061015]
1235040528 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1235040535 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1235040544 M * Bertl morning folks!
1235040568 M * ktwilight morning!
1235040577 M * fb_ morning :)
1235040585 M * ktwilight :)
1235041711 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl
1235041716 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1235044593 J * PowerKe ~tom@94-224-78-200.access.telenet.be
1235044646 J * blues blues@acwi59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
1235044652 M * blues hi
1235044676 M * blues I've got a question
1235044708 M * blues is it possible to add all of the interface routing to some routing table?
1235044928 M * arekm -eparseerror I guess
1235045374 M * blues :)
1235045411 M * blues I'm bringing iface up while starting vserver
1235045443 M * blues I want to have all routing added into some specified routing table, not main
1235045481 M * blues is it possible?
1235045702 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving
1235046332 M * Bertl_oO blues: no explicit routes are added by util-vserver
1235046383 M * Bertl_oO i.e. if you want to remove the routes the kernel adds implicitely when an IP is added to the network stack, you have to do that in a script (which can be started by util-vserver, see pre/post scripts)
1235047436 M * blues Bertl_oO: it does not solves problem
1235047477 M * mnemoc you can always use nodev and setup manually
1235047536 M * blues mnemoc: I'm doing it right now
1235047557 M * blues mnemoc: but it's not good thing when vservers are moved between machines
1235047577 M * Bertl_oO as I said, put it in a script in the guest config
1235047638 M * blues Bertl_oO: but pre/post are global?
1235047645 M * blues or I'm wrong?
1235047715 Q * mattzerah Read error: Operation timed out
1235047902 M * blues no, I'm wrong...
1235048393 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.217.178
1235048525 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-20-40.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1235048537 M * geb hi
1235049631 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235050156 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
1235050595 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1235051781 M * geb stupid question of the day:
1235051795 M * geb i want to use monit to monitor a host and few vserver
1235051843 M * geb the problem is that if i run it in ctx 0 , i will not have correct information for process running in vservers
1235051853 M * geb and if i run it in ctx 1
1235051889 M * geb i will not be able to restart process in vservers
1235051891 M * geb like
1235051893 M * geb  check process apache 
1235051893 M * geb     with pidfile "/usr/local/apache/logs/httpd.pid"
1235051893 M * geb     start program = "/etc/init.d/httpd start" with timeout 60 seconds
1235051893 M * geb     stop program = "/etc/init.d/httpd stop"
1235051893 M * geb     if 2 restarts within 3 cycles then timeout
1235051990 M * geb because  "chcontext --ctx 1 chcontext --ctx 40031 $script" not work
1235051993 M * geb any idea ?
1235052035 A * geb love stupid questions :)
1235052100 M * ktwilight maybe do vserver <guest> exec /etc/init.d/httpd start instead?
1235052155 M * geb it willn't work in ctx 1
1235052174 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1235052241 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235052269 M * geb i am considering launching monit in ctx 0, trying to monitor process in ctx 1 or $vserver-ctx , and control them in $vserver-ctx
1235052658 M * ard aside from that httpd should not just suddenly crash, any way you choose will be equally good or bad
1235052673 M * ard the most easy one is to have each vserver do it for themselves
1235052725 M * ard the most control is using ctx 0 and 1 to launch and use monitor, which should then change ctx to restart something
1235052779 M * geb yeah, but if i am in ctx 1 i am not able to change ctx 
1235052779 M * ard But if you want a process to always keep running, there is nothing stopping you from running it from inittab
1235052802 M * ard well, you can message back to ctx 0 that it should do something :-)
1235052810 A * ard doesn't know monit
1235052812 M * geb oh
1235052816 M * geb that's a great idea !
1235052855 M * ard be aware however: if you run something from inittab in the vserver you should indicate that you need a real init..
1235052855 M * geb because monit also allow to monitor number of pages of a process or things like this (witch willn't work in ctx 0)
1235052856 M * geb like
1235052858 M * geb     if totalmem > 100 Mb then alert
1235052858 M * geb     if children > 255 for 5 cycles then stop
1235052858 M * geb     if cpu usage > 95% for 3 cycles then restart
1235052904 M * ktwilight why not run monit inside the guest, or...
1235052936 M * ard Well, yes, I would also consider it a guest thing
1235052949 M * geb ktwilight, i have a guest per service (a guest for www, a guest for mail etc...) i don't want to configure 10 monit !
1235052954 M * ard you can monitor the guest from the host from /proc/virtual/
1235052961 M * geb but if it is the better way ...
1235052972 M * ktwilight true
1235052973 M * ard there is nothing like a better way
1235052988 M * ard you must maintain it, so you must decide what you can maintain ;-)
1235052991 M * ktwilight :)
1235053016 A * ard still wants to do the chkrootkit from the host
1235053027 M * ard I think that is an important thing
1235053033 M * ktwilight ++
1235053053 M * geb thanks for your answers :)
1235053054 M * ard But eggdrops will be installed in /tmp
1235053085 M * geb ard, chkrootkit will work but will give you some false positiv results (as far i remember)
1235053169 M * geb if you are on debian, debconf should ask you to not reports things that were present in day-1
1235053186 M * geb so false positive results should be less a problem
1235053213 M * geb (sorry for my english, i should realy consider reading a book more than brainstrorming about monit ! )
1235053287 M * geb you should also think about rkhunter , will should give you less false positive results
1235053300 M * ktwilight run both :)
1235053300 M * geb it will
1235055486 M * ard well, the problem is that eggdrop is installed in /tmp , outside the namespace of ctx-0 or ctx-1 on a tmpfs
1235055529 A * ard has seen eggdrop been installed 2 times on a server of a client
1235055551 M * ard fortunately for them we restricted their outgoing connections
1235055574 J * Piet ~piet@asteria.debian.or.at
1235055601 M * ard so eggdrop are pretty useless, but at some point you would want to know if something like that happened to one of your vservers
1235055624 M * ard because it hints at poor webscripts
1235055695 M * geb tiger should tell you if you have strange process in /tmp or /var/tmp
1235055932 M * ard yes, but then you have to run it from within the vserver
1235055941 M * ard I want it to run in ctx-0 or ctx-1
1235055957 M * ard but that ctx doesn't see the same /tmp
1235056076 M * ktwilight maintenance power!
1235056077 M * ktwilight :)
1235056233 Q * balbir_ Read error: Operation timed out
1235056467 M * Bertl_oO ard: enter the namespace
1235056566 M * geb that's what i am testing , but it there is no namespace for ctx 1 , you have to enter the namespace of any vserver , right ?
1235056605 M * Bertl_oO no there cannot be a 'namespace' which sees _all_ the various namespaces at the same time (technically impossible)
1235056622 M * Bertl_oO and yes, you have to enter each guest's namespace and test there
1235056629 M * geb gtg, if you find a workaround i am intested :)
1235056634 A * geb & ;
1235056818 J * Slydder1 ~chuck@dslb-088-072-252-083.pools.arcor-ip.net
1235057528 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1235057832 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235057922 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235057954 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1235058502 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1235061001 J * larsivi ~larsivi@62.92.155.7
1235062894 P * Scurz 
1235063236 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.62.173
1235063621 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1235063973 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1235064036 J * krm ~award@cvs.mpc-ogw.co.uk
1235064460 J * esa bip@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
1235064461 M * krm hi, can anyone confirm if it is possible to make device nodes in a vserver so that it can control a device instead of the host? i.e. if the host wasn't using the cd, video or audio devices, could the vserver use them instead and play a DVD?
1235064540 Q * bono Quit: Leaving
1235064746 M * Bertl_oO krm: yep, just copy/create that device inside the guest (from the host)
1235064791 M * Bertl_oO but be careful, access certain devices can potentially harm the host system
1235064804 M * Bertl_oO (i.e. only do that in a trusted environment)
1235064896 M * krm thanks very much :)
1235064903 M * Bertl_oO np
1235065997 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235066428 Q * balbir_ Read error: Operation timed out
1235067390 Q * pmenier_off Quit: Konversation terminated!
1235067895 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@2002:5043:693::102
1235067965 Q * esa Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1235068256 Q * harobed Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235068257 J * bono bono@118-160-161-195.dynamic.hinet.net
1235069266 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235069980 Q * hparker Quit: bbl
1235069985 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1235069989 M * Bertl back now ...
1235070005 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
1235070065 M * daniel_hozac pong
1235070077 M * Bertl hey, everything fine?
1235070155 M * cehteh for a 2nd ip i need to create a new /etc/vserver/*/interface/X ?
1235070185 M * cehteh or can i pass 2 ips to one interface spec (nodev variant, just chbinding)
1235070260 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: yeah, everything's great. how are you?
1235070270 M * daniel_hozac cehteh: yes, you need another directory.
1235070281 M * cehteh thanks
1235070287 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: great! everything fine here too, tx!
1235070303 M * cehteh evening btw :) 
1235070358 M * cehteh can can i create a nodev interface dir in an 'early' vserver when the real interface is coming up later at 'default'
1235070390 A * cehteh hacks a nstx into his vserver .. want wlan at my hollydays :P
1235070437 Q * krm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235070780 M * Bertl sure, but you might want to do some tricks to avoid applications binding to that ip (while it isn't there)
1235070872 M * cehteh mhm .. that may become tricky .. also setting up a tun without CAP_NET_ADMIN from the vserver .. well i am playing a bit
1235070915 Q * doener Quit: brb
1235070927 M * cehteh on the other way can i create interface aliases with the same ip twice? guess also not
1235071649 J * doener ~doener@i577B855D.versanet.de
1235071698 M * Bertl not on the same device
1235071722 M * Bertl but what would be the point of that?
1235071990 M * cehteh just thinking how to deploy it 
1235072024 M * Bertl it being?
1235072030 M * cehteh nstx 
1235072042 M * cehteh ip-over-dns tunneling daemon
1235072052 M * _Shiva_ how about using a tap device in the guest having the ip and services bound and bridge it to a real device when "activating" it?
1235072079 M * Bertl tun device, but yes
1235072125 M * _Shiva_ or dummy0  ;-)) <- running gag :)
1235072285 M * cehteh i played with bridge devices to virtualize vserver network interfaces once .. slightly pointless experiment but worked
1235072422 M * Bertl well, a good approach is always to use private IPs and to map them to public ones on a per port basis
1235072440 Q * gnuk Quit: NoFeature
1235072471 A * cehteh disabled NAT in his kernel config .. i already regret that, but i dont want to reboot :P
1235073029 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1235077614 M * Supaplex have xen installed? :p
1235077862 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1235077899 M * kwowt quota works with 2.6 kernel?
1235077996 M * mnemoc hello kwowt. probably only disk limits
1235078007 M * kwowt hi:P
1235078024 M * kwowt thats...non shared quota?
1235078327 M * kwowt i have no idea how to set this up
1235078336 M * kwowt dont even know where to start
1235078380 M * Bertl yep, quota is supposed to work
1235078402 M * Bertl best to set it up step by step
1235078432 M * kwowt right now i'm in the middle of gentoo setup
1235078442 M * kwowt and i need to know if 2.6 profile is ok :P
1235078456 M * Bertl so better wait till that has settled before diving into quotas :)
1235078479 M * kwowt 2.6 then:>
1235078810 M * kwowt any special options for vserver on 64bit os?
1235078852 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1235078877 M * Bertl 32bit binary compatibility?
1235078887 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch
1235078950 M * kwowt huh?
1235078989 M * Bertl well, that's one option you 'usually' want on 64bit
1235079558 M * kwowt linux-2.6.22-vserver-2.2.0.7
1235080741 M * _Shiva_ kwowt: what's your profile? /etc/make.profile -> ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/2008.0 ?
1235080792 M * _Shiva_ that's what i'm using for quite some time on my vserver-hosts
1235080794 A * hparker uses 2008.0/server
1235080872 M * _Shiva_ 2008.0/server just has other default USE .. like ldap ;-) personaly, i don't need it - so i stick with my own USE=... anyway
1235080916 M * hparker And drops all the desktop related flags allowing less -flags
1235080938 M * hparker and ldap is in the 2008.0 too as a default last I looked
1235081042 M * _Shiva_ kwowt: and using vserver-sources from amd64 keyword should be a good start to rech a decent stage4 - then i've switched to vanilla kernel 2.6.28.{4|6} from kernel.org with current Experimental vsevrver patch
1235081096 M * _Shiva_ hparker: make.conf: USE="-* only uses i use" ;-)
1235081151 M * hparker _Shiva_: Yes, i used to run that.. server allowed me to quit using it and I've had other Gentoo devs tell me that I would get bit at some point with -*
1235081214 M * _Shiva_ hparker: actually, it' only a "host".. and every real use goes into the vserver-guests..
1235081245 M * hparker right
1235081251 M * _Shiva_ so i'm pretty on a JeOS here
1235081280 M * hparker But when vapier and such advised me that -* might case unforeseen problems I listened
1235081300 M * _Shiva_ oh ok
1235081342 M * hparker I forget the examples given, but they sounded reasonable
1235081459 M * _Shiva_ was that in a private/personal matter, or on some mailing list?
1235081488 M * hparker I forget if it was on a list or in irc
1235081501 M * hparker It's been a year or two
1235081560 M * hparker iirc it was about the time the server profile was created
1235081647 M * _Shiva_ ok - any exp in using or not using hardned profile as a host?
1235081678 M * kwowt _Shiva_: yes, default
1235081718 M * hparker _Shiva_: I'm just playing with hardened now that they're getting support for gcc-4
1235081754 M * hparker I have one with gcc-3x but it's just a system that I send the guest tarballs to
1235081767 M * _Shiva_ hparker: last time i looked into hardened it was not sooo different from a normal profile..
1235081797 M * _Shiva_ except for some packages would not emerge :-)
1235081894 M * hparker I've got my desktop with all kinds of junk (apache, postfix, etc to play with) running hardened with gcc-4 and glibc-2.8
1235081916 Q * Slydder1 Quit: Leaving.
1235081932 M * _Shiva_ glibc went into stable (on amd64) last week *g*
1235081940 M * _Shiva_ glibc-2.8 that is
1235081943 M * hparker I've not ran into anything that didn't compile without keywording the testing version at most
1235081959 M * hparker Yeah, I've been running it for months on various machines
1235081990 M * hparker 2.9 still has too many problems for me to use anywhere than a chroot/guest to play with
1235082020 M * _Shiva_ using mostly Debian/Ubuntu guests - but the hosts have to be Gentto ;-)
1235082073 M * _Shiva_ _some_ guests are Gentoo.. mostly my own purpose guests  ;-) customer's guests are Debian :)
1235082150 M * hparker All but one of my guests are Gentoo, even the customer guests.. I have one Debian guest I'm playing with Freeside in.. A mess to install in Gentoo and I caved in and installed Debian :P
1235082180 M * hparker that said, i'm a little guy in a large ocean.. I've only got 12-15 guests
1235082220 M * _Shiva_ hparker: we're counting hosts :-) counting guests doesn't count at all *g*
1235082236 M * hparker Only 1 host :P
1235082248 M * hparker As I said, little guy
1235082268 M * _Shiva_ no problem ;-) gettin' paid for ;-) 
1235082290 M * hparker I kept some of the hosting when I sold the ISP and had some interests in VMs so setup vserver
1235082374 M * hparker It's more of a way to cover the expenses of a server I'd have already than trying to earn a living from ;)
1235082375 M * _Shiva_ i'm doing "virtualization ad absurdum".. that is: my hosts are vmware-ESX-Guests running vserver-Kernels having "changeroots on steroids" ;-)
1235082385 M * hparker lol
1235082425 M * Bertl KVM I would understand, but vmware? :)
1235082454 M * _Shiva_ so you have the comfort of vMotion and virtualized disks for the hosts with a decent remote console application 
1235082483 M * hparker ssh isn't a decent remote console app? :P
1235082497 M * _Shiva_ and you dont' have to spend on full VMs for just virtualizing e.g. a singel Apache server
1235082523 M * _Shiva_ ssh _is_ a decent remote - if the server is still powered on.. ;-)
1235082564 M * hparker Server is in the basement, so no biggie
1235082606 M * _Shiva_ but i don't want to drive 50 miles or more just to reboot a physical hardware having an Kernel-OOPS
1235082615 J * pflanze ~chris__@trex.iro.umontreal.ca
1235082663 M * _Shiva_ and of course the company i work for is vmware premium partner... so licenses are quite cheap ;-)
1235082671 M * hparker Ahh
1235082708 M * Bertl still doesn't explain the big advantage over KVM :)
1235082759 M * _Shiva_ bertl: time of depoyment explains it ;-) using this setup for about 3 years now.. ;-)
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1235082817 M * _Shiva_ . o 0 ( i *do* need a new keyboard.. this one misses keystrokes.. )
1235082989 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: and not to forget: Layer8 and Layer9 problems.. ;-)
1235083080 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: KVM does not fit into cooperate marketing and consulting buzzwording.. it (still) has not big name..
1235083122 M * Bertl i.c. so running a proprietary app helps there :)
1235083207 M * _Shiva_ "You *have* to have an IBM Series-x - Dells are too Mainstream... And while we're at it: You need a DS4300-something SAN also from IBM"
1235083253 M * _Shiva_ Fiberchannel-8GBits to the disks of course...
1235083322 M * Bertl where do I send my address for delivery?
1235083391 M * _Shiva_ *g* send my your data to *my* warehouse :-)
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