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1234925446 J * geb_ ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-61-66.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1234925446 J * klike mike@no.phear.eu
1234925446 J * pmenier_off ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1234925446 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de
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1234925446 J * click click@ti0127a340-0135.bb.online.no
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1234925446 J * wibble wibble@vortex.ukshells.co.uk
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1234928019 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... cya!
1234928025 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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1234940401 J * mrtv ~timo@sub17.rz-zw.fh-kl.de
1234940427 M * mrtv morning everyone
1234940641 M * mrtv where can i read about the pros and cons of using amd64 vs i386?
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1234941357 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz
1234941431 P * mrtv 
1234941459 J * sharkjaw ~gab@217-26-13.231210.adsl.tele2.no
1234941465 J * mrtv ~timo@sub17.rz-zw.fh-kl.de
1234941546 M * mrtv anyone awake?
1234941660 M * pmjdebruijn mrtv: there a few cons to amd64, except that most proprietary software doesn'
1234941663 M * pmjdebruijn have a amd64 version
1234941880 M * mrtv hm, then you can still have a vserver with i386 arch.
1234941917 M * pmjdebruijn why wouldn't you
1234941917 J * opuk ~kupo@c83-251-254-12.bredband.comhem.se
1234942022 M * mrtv i mean, if there is some incompatible software, that doesn't run on a amd64 vserver, you can still setup another one with i386 arch.
1234942130 M * pmjdebruijn possibly
1234942133 A * pmjdebruijn has never tried that
1234942193 M * mrtv i've read somewhere that it is even possible to build a i386 vserver on a amd64 host system
1234942209 M * Supaplex I have a few crafty shell scripts to ssh into the guest with x11 forwarding too. makes fillable forms in adobe possible. now that lenny is stable, i'll check again for a fillable pdf reader do hickey thingy.
1234942232 M * Supaplex my host is amd64 and guest is i686
1234942499 M * ard mrtv : i have several servers with a i386 host (amd64 cpu), runnind amd64 vservers
1234942532 M * ard anyway: if you can: keep your host amd64
1234942545 M * ard your vservers doesn't really matter
1234942581 M * ard going 64 bit can increase speed of perl scripts with 11%
1234942611 M * mrtv i've heard that amd64 systems may be a little slower then i386. some machine code needs more memory accesses to get the broader words. but i have no experience with that.
1234942621 M * ard that's a measured value, of a perlscript doing regexes on a very large file
1234942647 M * ard no, it's very simple, it's measurable faster
1234942696 M * ard a lot of code is simplified because of the amount of extra general purpose registers
1234942741 M * ard you can test it yourself by setting up a i386 vserver and an amd64 vserver, and let them do some crunching for you
1234942803 M * ard that's how I tested the perl script.
1234943028 M * mrtv hm, good idea. but you have to do a few different kinds of performance tests. so you don't have only one small aspect. 
1234943055 M * mrtv this must have been done by someone before in general. i mean not in the context of vservers.
1234943116 M * mrtv i will start a google search later. breakfast time now ;)
1234943120 M * mrtv brb
1234943267 M * pmjdebruijn mrtv: sooner or later everything will be amd64
1234943273 M * pmjdebruijn mrtv: resistance is futile :p
1234943304 M * pmjdebruijn and with amd64, you have sane > 4GB memory access... which is totally retarted on i386
1234944248 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1234944275 M * mrtv i think i will just run with amd64 and see what happens. collect some real life experiences :)
1234945311 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@139.12.1.252
1234945537 J * nas ~chatzilla@opengw.lga.net.sg
1234945570 M * nas hi guys, i get this error when starting a vserver
1234945604 M * nas "/bin/bash: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /lib/tls/libdl.so.2)
1234945606 M * nas /bin/bash: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6)
1234945608 M * nas /bin/bash: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6)"
1234945709 M * pmjdebruijn how did you create the vserver?
1234945715 M * pmjdebruijn has it ever started properly before?
1234945722 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1234946017 M * nas nope never started properly ever, first time to start
1234946044 M * nas i just copied it from existing standalone server which is running bind
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1234950042 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.182.26
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1234954266 J * maddoc_ maddoc@social.ostruktur.com
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1234956241 P * jsambrook 
1234958848 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1234958855 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1234963039 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-29-245.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1234963221 M * geb hi
1234964819 J * dna ~dna@p54BCBB0D.dip.t-dialin.net
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1234967346 M * ghislainocfs2 humm i wonder if cgroups can be used to do some hard limiting, it seems not. I cannot see if we can divide cpu between vservers. The doc  show one exemple but do not show how to do it
1234967351 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1234967362 M * ghislainocfs2 anyone here knows a little about cgroups to load balance vservers ?
1234967392 M * ghislainocfs2 i am only able to separate cpus for the moment
1234967408 M * Bertl recent util-vserver has cgroups support
1234967413 M * ghislainocfs2 but not to say 35% cpu for you, 65% for you etc
1234967420 M * ghislainocfs2 yes groups are created
1234967430 M * ghislainocfs2 but how do you divide cpu between vservers ?
1234967430 M * Bertl you can put the share values into the config, IIRC
1234967436 M * ghislainocfs2 ah !
1234967531 M * ghislainocfs2 hum not in the cgroups directory then, you mean in the normal scheduler way ?
1234967670 M * ghislainocfs2 from the doc i have i can specify cgroups name, device mems, i do not see where i put the % share of the cpu :(
1234967713 M * Bertl maybe you need to do that manually, but I think I remember daniel adding something in trunk there
1234967728 M * Bertl but you probably have to check with him (or the source) for details
1234967732 M * ghislainocfs2 oh i must try to download his last version so
1234967736 M * ghislainocfs2 ok
1234967752 M * ghislainocfs2 i was looking at util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2827 /doc directory to find out
1234967787 M * mnemoc a/win 16
1234967792 M * mnemoc err
1234967799 M * mnemoc hi :)
1234967806 M * Bertl :)
1234968006 M * ghislainocfs2 oh 2827 is the last one i can see at http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/ ah.. eheh so : ping Daniel ! :)
1234968028 M * ghislainocfs2 he is not there :) so i'll wait for his return
1234968156 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-17-231.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1234970009 M * jp- anyone know of any good docs on backup and restoration techniques for vservers? or atleast any pitfalls i should be aware of?
1234970066 M * geb if you backup from the host , you will have to use --numeric-ids
1234970110 M * Bertl tar, dump/restore, rsync all works fine, just make sure to use numeric uid/gid wherever possible (and preserve flags/etc)
1234970112 M * geb as uid/login can be mapped differently in the host and in the vservers
1234970398 M * jp- if i used the clone method for building vservers should i expect to run into problems with hash files?
1234970412 M * jp- specifically, i'm talking about the stuff here: http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Vhashify
1234970538 M * Bertl no, but the clone method can utilize the hash store and thus create clones _very_ fast
1234970582 M * jp- i used the clone method for build multiple debian based vservers, but only because i didn't want to waste bandwidth with packages being downloaded and installed each time.
1234970633 M * Bertl works for that too, same as the rsync build method
1234970675 M * Bertl but if you actually have several debian guests on the same filesystem, then unification would definitely help saving resources
1234970701 M * jp- alright, just had a few questions. i'm working on some different designs for a mail system on a low budget and the vservers let me modularize things without needing to purchase a whole bunch of new hardware.
1234970718 M * jp- it's a great project, i've enjoyed working with it so far.
1234970725 M * Bertl glad to hear!
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1234971981 M * Bertl nap attack .. bbl
1234971989 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1234973117 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-17-28.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1234973529 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
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1234976996 M * mrtv bye
1234976999 P * mrtv 
1234977853 J * dna_ ~dna@p54BCFC87.dip.t-dialin.net
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1234979256 M * geb i, how can i redirect all http traffic from vservers (with a private networking like http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests ) to one vserver (for transparent proxying)
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1234980069 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1234980072 M * Bertl back now ...
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1234980391 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
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1234981735 J * arekm arekm@carme.pld-linux.org
1234981746 Q * esa Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1234983765 M * _Shiva_ may someone please enlight me why I would have to use a version higher than util-vserver-0.30.215 ...? any notable, necessary changes to operate vservers on vs2.3.0.36.7..? Maybe I haven't understood the real purpose of util-vserver at all.. ;-)
1234983808 M * Bertl no reason, 0.30.215 should be fine, especially on a ll stable kernel patches
1234983843 M * Bertl OTOH, to use new features, as present in recent devel/experimental kernels, you need to get the latest and greatest
1234983879 M * _Shiva_ all of the functionality would be in the Kernel, right? and util-vserver just gives me the tool to start, stop and so on... but it does not have to know about all new features like cgroup, caps and such, right? that's all custamizable in /etc/vservers/..
1234983884 M * Bertl for the purpose part: util-vserver is the userspace part of Linux-VServer, the software to cmmunicate with the kernel
1234983915 M * Bertl no, it does have to know about kernel features, otherwise they will not be used :)
1234984006 M * _Shiva_ so is there some doc that lists features being ignored when using 0.30.215? :-)
1234984052 M * _Shiva_ or does "vserver ... start" state that it's ignoring some setting found under the /etc/vserver/-Tree?
1234984062 M * Bertl not really, but for sure it will be cgroups and pivot route handling for example
1234984081 M * click god damn... two hours trying to find an error on one of the local imap-servers, and it was all due to a wrongly set GID in one of the configfiles :P
1234984088 M * click *sighs*
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1234984125 M * Bertl _Shiva_: older tools will not know all the config options, that's correct
1234984148 J * ktwilight__ ~ktwilight@77.97-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1234984149 M * _Shiva_ so "latest and greatest" would be 216-pre2827 ?
1234984172 M * Bertl yep, or trunk
1234984194 M * _Shiva_ does Hollow have an overlay..? *g*
1234984209 M * Bertl you have to ask him :)
1234984220 M * _Shiva_ thought so :-)
1234984406 M * _Shiva_ that reminds me of (re-)testing an ipv6-only guest interacting with some external ipv4 addresss... last time I checked on it, it had been with the ipv6-patch on stable.. and the guest had been using the host's ipv4 address...
1234984584 M * Bertl keep us posted
1234984854 M * klike is there any new ipv6 patch?
1234984873 M * Bertl the ipv6 support was included in mainline some time ago
1234984877 M * _Shiva_ klike: should be integrated in Experimental
1234984974 M * _Shiva_ hmm.. seems to work.. ping6 is ping'ing... ping results in an error..
1234985017 M * klike _Shiva_: i did not know
1234985025 M * klike umm
1234985026 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Feature_Matrix
1234985081 M * klike Bertl: thats awesome :>
1234985085 M * klike btw hi :}
1234985092 M * Bertl hi :)
1234985124 M * _Shiva_ ssh to an ipv4-address: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.254 port 22: Operation not permitted
1234985141 M * _Shiva_ ssh to the very same host using it's v6: works
1234985263 Q * puck Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1234985378 M * _Shiva_ but assigning a guest a v4 and v6 address would only be possible to use two "different" interfaces, like: .../interfaces/0/* and ..../interfaces/1/* ?
1234985412 M * Bertl if you are referring to the config, yes, note that they are not related to any devices
1234985451 M * Bertl means: of course you can use the same device, e.g. eth0 for both entries
1234985469 M * _Shiva_ yep - but there will be two "devices" (three with "lo") visible w/i the guest, right?
1234985477 M * Bertl nope
1234985490 M * Bertl no virtual devices in Linux-VServer :)
1234985505 A * _Shiva_ testing right away :-)
1234985574 M * mnemoc dummy0 :)
1234985605 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: ack - working :-)
1234985933 M * _Shiva_ now the only thing that's missing for me is barrier support on LVM volumes... but that's not an vserver issue :-)
1234985988 M * Bertl you mean, write barrier or what?
1234985996 M * _Shiva_ *nod*
1234986012 M * Bertl shouldn't that have gone into 2.6.28.x?
1234986020 M * fb_ good evening
1234986032 M * Bertl and a good 1 2u2!~
1234986065 M * fb_ Bertl: hope so soon, but for now this flu is devastating 
1234986087 M * fb_ first day below 39 since saturday :|
1234986117 M * _Shiva_ last thing i heard from the redhat/sistina people was that write barrier support would be (they said:) "useless".... *shrug*
1234986160 M * arekm it's in .29
1234986185 M * _Shiva_ oh cool.. ;-)
1234986274 M * _Shiva_ so i'll soon have to change a whole lot of /etc/fstabs removing the "nobarrier" mount option ;-)
1234986638 Q * click Quit: leaving
1234986811 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1234986812 M * kwowt hello
1234987465 J * ploopy ~ploopy@home.openics.org
1234987501 Q * ploopy 
1234987553 J * kolter ~kolter@kaoru.asyd.net
1234989515 M * kwowt which kernel has vserver quota support?
1234989541 M * Bertl shared or on separate partitions, and what kind of quota?
1234989584 M * kwowt i think shared
1234989588 M * kwowt on one hard drive
1234989605 M * Bertl user/group or disk limits?
1234989615 M * kwowt disk space
1234989622 M * kwowt for users
1234989841 Q * gnuk Quit: NoFeature
1234989882 M * Bertl hard to tell, shared quota support was dropped in vs2.1 shortly before vs2.2 got stable
1234989908 M * kwowt :/
1234989914 M * Bertl so one of the later vs2.1 versions should have it
1234990725 M * kolter i've weird syslog entries like : http://paste.debian.net/28708/
1234990796 M * kolter it seems to be related to swap and proc
1234990813 M * Bertl that means that a process inside your guest (xid=20000) is looking up a hidden proc entry
1234990849 M * Bertl the interesting part is that the entry itself is not shown correctly (at the end)
1234991084 M * kolter after checking syslog entries in guest and host, it looks to be related to munin-node which should read /proc to get processes stats
1234991246 M * Bertl the process name is supposed to be the first one, i.e. swap, so very strange IMHO
1234991285 M * kolter ah
1234991412 M * kolter in munin-node package there is a shell script called swap in /usr/share/munin/plugins/
1234991442 M * Bertl okay, and that propably checks in /proc/swaps
1234991520 M * kolter here is the script : http://paste.debian.net/28711/
1234991609 M * Bertl yeah, so just disable that, or allow the guests to see the proc entries (if that is what you want)
1234991618 M * Bertl (or alternatively simply ignore it :)
1234991674 M * kolter yep, i will ignore it
1234991695 M * kolter thx for your help Bertl
1234991714 M * Bertl np
1234991847 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-45-4.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net
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1234993604 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
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1234994244 J * esa bip@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
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1234999813 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one!
1234999820 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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