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1230685250 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I'm uploading a test version for 2,6.28 right now ... interestingly testfs fails on test 212 .. if you find a moment maybe you could look into that?
1230685290 M * Bertl the rest seems to be fine, but I probably missed something somewhere ...
1230685365 M * Bertl okay, patch is there ... off to bed now ... have fun!
1230685377 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1230687804 M * jsullivan Hello, all.
1230687814 M * jsullivan Can anyone point me to some guidelines on sizing /tmp?
1230687827 M * jsullivan It caught my eye how vserver defaults to using tmpfs for /tmp . . .
1230687837 M * jsullivan and we are planning some heavily utilized systems . . 
1230687850 M * jsullivan many hundreds of virtual desktops per guest.
1230687870 M * jsullivan My guess is we should create particularly large swap files and greatly increase the default size of /tmp.
1230687881 M * jsullivan The large swap files are to accommodate the tmpfs.
1230687887 M * jsullivan Is this a reasonable line of reasoning?
1230688396 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-24-21-204-37.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1230689750 N * Moo Guest135
1230692116 M * cehteh jsullivan: depends on what the users do .. but if you plan to swap tmp out anyways (and considering that usecase) .. why not place tmp on a real harddrive/filesystem at first hand
1230692849 M * jsullivan Hi, Moo.
1230692862 M * jsullivan I suppose that gets to the reasons for using tmpfs in the first place.
1230692875 M * jsullivan I am guessing it gives us the security of transient tmp files.
1230692888 M * jsullivan Similarly to putting them on an encrypted partition . . 
1230692907 M * jsullivan if anyone steals the device, they cannot access sensitive data which may have found its way to /tmp.
1230692940 M * jsullivan Originally we had planned to put /tmp on an encrypted partition but tmpfs seemed like a more elegant way to approach it . . 
1230692946 M * jsullivan and seems to be the default for VServer.
1230692953 M * jsullivan However, this is very new to me . . 
1230692957 M * jsullivan hence the request for guidance.
1230694216 J * TimLyth ~tux@202.134.227.227
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1230697955 M * TimLyth Is is possible to run another virtualisation host environment within a linux-vserver guest, theoretically allowing win32 code to be run?
1230698040 M * TimLyth And, yes, I know wine IS an option if I was REALLY desperate.
1230701007 M * cehteh TimLyth: no vserver shares one kernel, but you can do the opposite run a vserver kernel in some other virtual machine/hypervisor or such
1230701055 M * cehteh or .. as well run some virtual machine inside a vserver, but that likely needs some privileges you dont want to give to a vserver
1230702567 M * Supaplex I bet qemu would allow it too, but it will not be accelerated.
1230702640 M * Supaplex unless you permit device access etc to the kqemu device. no idea about the security implications there. provided wine works, it should perform better (if you use the current release, distro snapshots are usually too old)
1230702648 M * Supaplex infowolfe: hey there =)
1230702740 M * cehteh i plan (already tried, but was to lazy to continue) to use kvm on our build server
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1230718405 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-151-1-72-104.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr
1230718609 M * geb hi
1230718766 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.179.127
1230719397 J * gypsymauro ~colorioma@84.18.151.77
1230719400 M * gypsymauro hi
1230719425 M * gypsymauro I've installed vserver on debian lenny but when I try to stop or restart processes like postfix nothing happens..
1230719439 M * gypsymauro any hints?
1230720448 M * PowerKe gypsymauro: you're trying this from within a guest?
1230720951 M * geb gypsymauro, can you copy/past what you do in paste.linux-vserver.org ?
1230720966 M * geb it s not very clear
1230721621 M * gypsymauro I've installed a debian lenny with vserver patch , then I created a new guest and there I installed sshd postfix and other services but when i run /etc/init.d/postfix stop or /etc/init.d/ssh stop if I run a ps ax I c postmaster and sshd processes still alive, If i try it on the physical machine it works.. (same version of debian)
1230721812 M * PowerKe gypsymauro: You're running these commands from within the guest (after vserver <guest> enter)?
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1230725239 P * friendly 
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1230729772 M * ktwilight_ thanks for 2.6.28 :)
1230730880 J * takeru ~takeru@nttkyo888227.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp
1230732948 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1230732971 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.82.206
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1230733581 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1230733587 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1230733744 M * geb morning Bertl 
1230734031 M * geb sqod (stupid question of day): can i create a CTX 1 for monitoring purpose ?
1230734064 M * Bertl yep, that's what the spectator context (xid=1) is for :)
1230734090 M * geb but can i run a "normal" vserver on this ctx ?
1230734100 M * geb or it will cause problems ?
1230734115 M * Bertl well, no, it is not a real context, more an advanced state
1230734152 M * Bertl in theory you could run something like a guest there, but it would be more like a second host
1230734212 M * geb ok i understand
1230734331 M * geb for basic adminstration (supervision of process , statistics...) it can be interesting to use directly this ctx
1230734346 M * geb will try, tks :)
1230734767 M * pmenier Hi all
1230734780 M * pmenier problem with 2.6.28 : http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12674
1230734805 M * ktwilight_ ok, this is strange, i can't do vserver-stat in 2.6.28
1230734805 M * ktwilight_ $ vserver-stat
1230734805 M * ktwilight_ can not change context: migrate kernel feature missing and 'compat' API disabled: Function not implemented
1230734854 M * pmenier ktwilight_: just above :)
1230734864 M * ktwilight_ yea saw :)
1230734865 M * ktwilight_ hehe
1230734907 M * ktwilight_ 2.6.27.10 works fine though
1230734921 M * Bertl ktwilight_: what arch/util-vserver version?
1230734925 M * pmenier yes for me too
1230734933 M * pmenier 0.30.215 here
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1230734964 M * Bertl and what does testme.sh produce?
1230734970 M * ktwilight_ Bertl, util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2827 and Linux sys-hs-02 2.6.28-vs2.3.0.36.2 #1 SMP Wed Dec 31 14:28:01 GMT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1230734970 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines)
1230735032 M * ktwilight_ Bertl, http://rafb.net/p/KzinTq38.html
1230735072 M * ktwilight_ pmenier, grab util-vserver from experimental
1230735096 M * ktwilight_ pmenier, http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/
1230735102 M * pmenier yes i will try in a few minutes
1230735203 M * Bertl hmm, interesting ...
1230735213 M * ktwilight_ most definitely.
1230735223 M * ktwilight_ works fine for 2.6.27.8 and .27.10
1230735247 M * Bertl well, the funny part is, it works fine here for 2.6.28 too :)
1230735254 M * ktwilight_ aiks
1230735260 M * ktwilight_ hmmm...
1230735264 M * Bertl but, I'm using 32bit userspace
1230735286 M * Bertl so I presume something in the 64bit API got broken ...
1230735294 M * geb Bertl, what is feature migrate ? i did see some test like "if $_VSERVER_INFO - FEATURE migrate; then" but never found what it is
1230735408 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12675
1230735424 M * Bertl (this is x86_64 here, but with 32bit userspace)
1230735496 M * ktwilight_ Bertl, which util-vserver?
1230735522 M * Bertl one of the prereleases, but works with 0.30.215 too
1230735546 M * ktwilight_ hmmm, .215 was broken for me (debian lenny).
1230735563 M * ktwilight_ could you maybe try the latest prerelease Bertl?
1230735573 M * ktwilight_ .216-pre2827
1230735577 M * Bertl not easily
1230735652 M * Bertl ah, found it, small change to the syscall table
1230735706 M * Bertl arch/x86/include/asm/unistd_64.h ~538, change the sys_ni_syscall to sys_vserver
1230735856 M * ktwilight_ no such file :/
1230735893 M * ktwilight_ it's only available in
1230735894 M * ktwilight_ ./arch/sh/include/asm/unistd_64.h
1230735894 M * ktwilight_ ./arch/sparc/include/asm/unistd_64.h
1230735894 M * ktwilight_ ./include/asm-x86/unistd_64.h
1230735922 M * Bertl when you build the kernel, it is there
1230735936 M * ktwilight_ i've dug further, and see no sys_ni_syscall in 538. i'll paste it
1230735937 M * Bertl but you are probably building via debian or so
1230735961 M * ktwilight_ http://rafb.net/p/7mnAlx62.html
1230735966 M * ktwilight_ nope, vanilla kernel
1230735976 M * pmenier same error with util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2827
1230735990 M * pmenier 2.6.28 from kernel.org
1230735997 M * Bertl yep, the syscall entry is missing ... give me a minute to provide a patch :)
1230736004 M * ktwilight_ aha
1230736022 M * ktwilight_ k, gonna prepare for the patch
1230736045 M * pmenier yep ready to compile :)
1230736091 M * ktwilight_ :)
1230736430 J * renihs ~narf@86.59.52.212
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1230736807 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.82.206
1230736821 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-x86_64-fix01.diff
1230736830 M * Bertl (does the described changes)
1230737297 M * pmenier Bertl: how do you explain it works for you without delta-patch ?????
1230737326 M * Bertl as I said, my userspace is 32bit, so I do not use the 64bit syscall entry (which was missing)
1230737439 M * Bertl I don't have a test machine ATM, all folks providing one in the past have some kind of issues atm, so none is available
1230737459 M * Bertl I'm currently testing with kvm only and my userspace is 32bit
1230737578 J * takeru ~takeru@nttkyo888227.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp
1230737836 M * pmenier and nobody make donation ?
1230737865 M * Bertl yep ... sad but true ...
1230737935 M * fb Bertl: what kind of access to x64 you'd need?
1230737938 M * pmenier BTW i tried to make one a few months ago, and it has never been recorded on my bank
1230737992 M * Bertl probably the best way to donate atm is via direct bank transfer .. paypal is doing strange things recently
1230738075 M * Bertl fb: a machine which can be remote controlled (serial console and remote reset), a few hundred GB of disk space, preferably 2+ cpu for SMP testing
1230738178 M * pmenier good news: boot ok on 2.6.28 :)
1230738265 M * pmenier testme.sh and vserver start ok
1230738290 M * Bertl excellent!
1230738509 M * ktwilight_ yay, works foe me too :)
1230738601 M * ktwilight_ only problem is the chroot barrier on xfs.
1230738883 M * fb Bertl: i'll talk to my boss after holidays
1230738985 M * Bertl ktwilight_: did it get broken again_
1230739000 M * Bertl s/_/?/
1230739003 M * ktwilight_ it hasn't work since .27 IIRC
1230739017 M * Bertl no, I fixed it in 2.6.27.x
1230739022 M * ktwilight_ oh?
1230739071 M * ktwilight_ i've tested on .27.8, .27.10 and .28, test 106 fails
1230739105 M * ktwilight_ http://rafb.net/p/JYwbYq24.html some disk limit tests fail too, but that's normal, if i'm not wrong
1230739120 M * fb Bertl: if he agree, i could prepare you access to some hp ml server
1230739129 M * fb Bertl: and remote hand (me) :)
1230739321 M * Bertl ktwilight_: no idea what's up with #106, (changed when daniel_hozac reordered the security checks) but that happens on all filesystems, i.e. doesn't mean the barrier diesn't work
1230739326 M * ktwilight_ Bertl, http://rafb.net/p/RYbAif17.html
1230739327 M * Bertl *doesn't
1230739344 M * Bertl but, good news is, we are removing the barrier in the near future :)
1230739345 M * renihs Bertl, how long would you need x64systems, would it ok with interruptions inbetween?
1230739349 M * ktwilight_ seems like it's a file not found
1230739357 M * ktwilight_ aha, maybe there's an update, lemme grab testfs.sh again
1230739377 M * renihs would it be ok ...if there were interruptions in availability time i mean, 3 days yes, 2 days no or like :)
1230739442 M * Bertl renihs: sure, for me the important part is that I do not have additional maintainance work
1230739485 M * renihs hmm i should be able to supply that, but surely not before 7/8.1.2009...still working on some escalated projects 
1230739513 M * ktwilight_ hm, redownloaded testfs.sh, ran it again, still the same error "chmod: cannot access `/home/mnt/dir_4674': No such file or directory"
1230739514 M * renihs but i could offer you a sun x6250 blade, 32gb ram, 2x 72 sas, dual quad 
1230739528 M * renihs with ilom access (ssh only, no rkvm)
1230739577 M * Bertl sounds good, I prefer console anyways
1230739590 M * renihs bios etc can be entered with that anyway
1230739596 M * Bertl ktwilight_: zeah, just ignore it
1230739602 M * Bertl (yeah
1230739604 M * renihs but java rkvm can generate HUGE traffic,  bit buggy
1230739635 M * Bertl hmm, I wish gnome could have different keyboard layouts for different keyboards :)
1230739646 M * fb Bertl: if he agrees, i could prepare you one HP DL320 
1230739715 M * fb Bertl: i'm sure he'll ask if you mention us somewhere on your project pages, is that possible?
1230739749 M * Bertl sure, we always list folks providing hardware on our Hall'o'Fame page
1230739777 M * renihs Bertl, bit very busy currently with some escalations, but once those are finished and i get a bit breath i will see to that :)
1230739798 M * fb Bertl: he may not appear on friday, i'll talk to him on monday at worst
1230739819 M * Bertl np, just notify me when something is available
1230739837 M * fb Bertl: I'll have to set up some system on this, any preferences?
1230739869 M * fb Bertl: or maybe you'd like to do this on your own?
1230739947 M * xdr happy new year
1230740073 M * Bertl fb: nah, basic mandriva 2009 install, I can point you to the CD/DVD images
1230740089 M * Bertl xdr: is it already new year for you?
1230740210 M * xdr Bertl: no, but when it's new year I'll be too drunk to type ;)
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1230740246 M * Bertl i.c. well, then happy new year 2u2 :)
1230740291 M * ktwilight_ Bertl, oh
1230740297 M * ktwilight_ k
1230740298 M * ktwilight_ :)
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1230740863 M * xdr time here 17:27
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1230746451 M * pmenier happy new year :)
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1230764683 M * welldone happy new year ;)
1230764716 M * mnemoc happy CET new year! 
1230764805 M * Bertl happy new year to everyone! (from Austria :)
1230764823 M * Bertl thank you
1230764834 M * cehteh yeah .. happy new year too
1230764851 M * mnemoc :)
1230765421 J * click click@ti511110a080-1892.bb.online.no
1230766713 M * TimLyth Happy New Year from "Down Under" for nearly 11hrs ago.
1230767322 M * TimLyth http://www.timeanddate.com/time/leapseconds.html  << An extra 1 second to be added just before New Year arrives in UTC. :)