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1226363207 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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1226375062 M * micah daniel_hozac: is there a reason why you wont add /dev/shm to upstream util-vserver?
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1226375839 M * daniel_hozac micah: it's in my working directory, i just haven't committed it yet.
1226375894 M * micah daniel_hozac: ah ok, what do you think of making it a tmpfs, as dkg argues in the bug report? it seems fine to me, but I dont know the rationale behind picking the current /tmp default size
1226376370 M * daniel_hozac /dev/shm ought to be larger than 16M.
1226376378 M * daniel_hozac i think it's fine leaving it on the filesystem.
1226376472 M * daniel_hozac especially considering that no real world code that uses it appears to exist.
1226376502 M * daniel_hozac (since it has never existed and nobody has ever complained)
1226376865 J * wenchien ~wenchien@59.105.176.102
1226376924 M * micah well, I think its starting to be used more now, I've heard of more people using it in the last year than I ever have
1226377235 M * daniel_hozac well, when some commonly used piece of software uses it, i might consider adding it to the default fstab. until then, i think it's fine to have people who actually require it add it themselves.
1226377931 M * micah daniel_hozac: that seems reasonable, although I dont understand why you prefer to keep it as a directory instead of a tmpfs? I dont really care myself, but I think I'd like to have a reasonable explanation to provide
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1226379339 M * daniel_hozac micah: because presumably applications that do use it will want to be able to use large segments.
1226379378 M * daniel_hozac i don't want to add large amounts of easily consumable memory/swap space that isn't limited by our current memory limits.
1226379402 M * micah aha, that makes sense
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1226396244 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1226396247 M * Bertl morning folks!
1226396357 M * ktwilight mornin' Bertl :)
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1226397386 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
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1226400355 M * fb Bertl: :-)
1226400531 M * Bertl hey fb! how's going?
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1226409403 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
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1226412211 M * Bertl nap attack ... bbl
1226412216 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1226422078 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1226422084 M * Bertl back now ...
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1226432635 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: pong
1226432686 M * Bertl hey! how was the flight?
1226432700 M * daniel_hozac pretty good.
1226432724 M * Bertl good to hear!
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1226432910 M * Hawq now online for a moment...
1226432949 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: is it expected that the rsync and clone build methods do not clean up /dev ?
1226433013 M * daniel_hozac yeah. i figure if they're there in the source, they should be there in the clone too.
1226433030 M * Hawq Bertl: new gcc and binutils didn't fixed my /proc problem :( there are now exactly same versions on my PLD Titanium and on PLD Th. While kernel 2.6.27 built on Titanium has /proc problem, built on Th works.
1226433053 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, I can kind of see that for clone, but rsync IMHO should make that an option
1226433076 M * daniel_hozac i guess that'd make sense, for cloning hosts.
1226433107 M * Bertl Hawq: Titanium?
1226433138 M * Hawq Hawq: unofficial version of PLD created and maintained by me.
1226433160 M * Bertl hmm, so maybe that is broken somehow?
1226433183 M * Hawq its built from same sources :/
1226433200 M * Bertl what comes to my mind is 32/64 bit issues? any chance for that?
1226433227 M * Hawq I'm using i686 arch, both Titanium and Th
1226433242 M * Bertl the kernel too?
1226433245 M * Hawq yeah
1226433261 M * Bertl kernel built one one system works on the other?
1226433278 M * Hawq there are differences in some libs, in perl, in python, but that stuff shouldn't affect kernel
1226433279 M * Bertl *on
1226433300 M * Hawq Bertl: yes, built on Th works ok on Titanium, not vice versa
1226433315 M * Bertl with exactly the same config, yes?
1226433334 M * Hawq yes. same config, same sources, same compiler, same binutils
1226433375 M * Hawq I don't have any more ideas what may be going on here making the difference
1226433384 M * Bertl okay, so it must be realted to the compiler/toolchain building the kernel, no?
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1226433456 M * Hawq Bertl: yeah, thats sounds like it. But now I'm using same compiler/toolchains as Th. The only difference is compiler/toolchain which was used to build the one that I use
1226433507 M * Hawq Bertl: on Th gcc 4.3 is in use for a long time. My gcc 4.3.2 was built on gcc 4.2.4
1226433523 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch
1226433631 M * Bertl did you try an upatched kernel on that machine (2.6.27.5)?
1226433646 M * Hawq Bertl: yes. it works fine.
1226433683 M * Bertl if you compile the kernel (same config) on both machines, do you get a difference in the warnings?
1226433692 M * Hawq Bertl: 2.6.27.5 with full grsec works properly too.
1226433703 M * Bertl if you don't have the log, could you compile it again and compare them?
1226433713 M * Hawq Bertl: didn't checked the warnings. I'll have to compare them
1226433751 M * Hawq launching compiliation... now :)
1226433768 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: on a different note: do we know if CAP_AUDIT_WRITE is harmful when given to guests?
1226433815 M * daniel_hozac i didn't look at it too closely. i trust ensc's judgment on it.
1226433920 M * Bertl okay, so are we going to make that default?
1226433951 M * daniel_hozac it's been default for a long time.
1226433975 M * Bertl hmm, not on the latest pre version I am testing ...
1226434005 M * Bertl 0.30.216-pre2824 doesn't use it as default
1226434005 M * daniel_hozac really?
1226434037 M * daniel_hozac oh, i see.
1226434050 M * daniel_hozac yeah, that's a bug.
1226434057 M * Bertl okay :) np
1226434073 M * Hawq be back when it'll finish building
1226434195 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, a few issues I encountered when building util-vserver on mandriva 2009:
1226434235 M * Bertl - first, as usual, it is iproute2 not iproute (would you mind having a vendor check in your spec)?
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1226434292 M * Bertl - second, the new python package doesn't work/compile properly here, and when disabled (--wihout python) the build failed too (have to investigate that)
1226434310 N * Genghis Guest2789
1226434559 M * Bertl rpm -tb --without doc --without python fails here with:
1226434579 M * Bertl cp: cannot stat `doc/*.html': No such file or directory
1226434618 M * daniel_hozac that's --without doc's fault. i've been meaning to fix that...
1226434715 M * Bertl okay, just wanted to report them (so you can fix/address them)
1226434946 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what does the following mean?
1226434947 M * Bertl vserver tardis hashify
1226434948 M * Bertl Duplicate hash-dir entry '00' found
1226435008 M * daniel_hozac presumably that you have more than one link to the same .hash directory in /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vunify/hash/
1226435039 M * Bertl yep, thanks for the insight!
1226435112 M * daniel_hozac so what errors do you get --with python?
1226435499 M * Bertl sec, let me check
1226435998 J * TroisSinges ~3singes@wmh38-2-82-227-207-5.fbx.proxad.net
1226436060 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12573
1226436092 M * Bertl but it seems that is not fatal, i.e. it is the doc part which keeps the package from building
1226436148 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1226436238 M * TroisSinges Hi everybody
1226436246 M * Bertl hey
1226436395 M * TroisSinges I'm using Linux-vserver on Debian (Lenny, testing) with 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 kernel. I've got one guest (equinoxe) with context 2. When I use vserver-stat, I can stat the context 2, but the root one (0) doesn't appear.
1226436422 M * Bertl that's expected (with recent util-vserver)
1226436439 M * TroisSinges nice, then
1226436442 M * Bertl the host context (0) is not a real context, therefore it is not shown anymore
1226436503 M * TroisSinges OK, so my config isn't garbled ;-)
1226436518 M * TroisSinges thanks !
1226436523 M * Bertl np
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1226437706 M * TroisSinges Do you know how I could contact the Wiki Team of Linux-vserver ?
1226437719 M * Bertl hmm?
1226437747 M * TroisSinges "If you think a page listed in here has already been migrated or should be excluded please contact our Wiki Team."
1226437761 M * TroisSinges I just migrated a page.
1226437780 M * Bertl ah, excellent, stating that here (including the page) is enough
1226437819 M * TroisSinges OK, then I migrated the TweakingTheConfig page (put it in the FAQ, misc)
1226437860 M * TroisSinges because I used it today, of course :-)
1226437932 M * Bertl good! did you find the 'Happy User' page too?
1226437943 M * TroisSinges Yes I did !
1226437962 M * Bertl even better!
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1226437986 M * Bertl feel free to hang around, and let us know how Linux-VServer works for you ....
1226437988 M * TroisSinges How did you know I'm a happy one ?
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1226438030 M * xdr hmm
1226439740 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1226439746 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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