1226016404 N * Guest1908 Genghis 1226016436 N * Genghis Guest1917 1226016747 J * bibabu bibabu@mikene.org 1226018894 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1226018990 J * weasel ~weasel@anguilla.debian.or.at 1226019006 Q * weasel 1226019031 J * weasel ~weasel@anguilla.debian.or.at 1226020094 N * Guest1917 Genghis 1226020100 Q * rgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1226020120 J * rgl ~rgl@lx2-84-90-232-86.netvisao.pt 1226020126 N * Genghis Guest1921 1226022944 Q * doener Quit: off to sleep 1226023784 N * Guest1921 Genghis 1226023816 N * Genghis Guest1929 1226025941 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1226027474 N * Guest1929 Genghis 1226027506 N * Genghis Guest1938 1226029043 Q * hparker Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226030412 J * hparker ~hparker@hparker-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net 1226031164 N * Guest1938 Genghis 1226031196 N * Genghis Guest1948 1226033267 Q * brc charon.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1226033267 Q * faheem charon.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1226033573 J * brc bruce@72.20.27.65 1226033573 J * faheem ~faheem@cpe-071-077-007-143.nc.res.rr.com 1226034311 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226034857 N * Guest1948 Genghis 1226034888 N * Genghis Guest1956 1226037534 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.12.230 1226038547 N * Guest1956 Genghis 1226038568 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226038578 N * Genghis Guest1960 1226038974 J * balbir ~balbir@32.97.110.53 1226041503 Q * hparker Remote host closed the connection 1226041982 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@204-244-68-204.roomlinx.com 1226042237 N * Guest1960 Genghis 1226042268 N * Genghis Guest1971 1226042598 J * mtg ~mtg@vollkornmail.dbk-nb.de 1226043820 Q * larsivi Remote host closed the connection 1226044599 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1226045928 N * Guest1971 Genghis 1226045968 N * Genghis Guest1979 1226046353 J * rgl ~rgl@lx2-84-90-232-86.netvisao.pt 1226046430 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1226047103 J * dna ~dna@42-231-dsl.kielnet.net 1226047753 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1226047971 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.130.212 1226049367 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1226049618 N * Guest1979 Genghis 1226049658 N * Genghis Guest1987 1226049924 J * aztek[tum] ~aztektum]@173.8.197.113 1226049930 M * aztek[tum] great googly moogly 1226050198 Q * aztek[tum] 1226050226 N * Bertl_zZ Bert 1226050248 M * Bert morning folks! 1226051782 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1226052406 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226052526 J * onion_ onion@virasto.com 1226052597 M * onion_ Hi Bert ! Is the xfs stuff in patch-2.6.27.4-vs2.3.0.35.9.diff ? 1226052685 M * Bert nope, but a patch is available 1226052690 M * onion_ no? is it in delta-xfs-feat01.diff ? 1226052696 M * Bert yep 1226052712 M * Bert will get integrated after some testing 1226052749 M * onion_ ok. Can I help? 1226052766 M * Bert sure, test it, provide feedback ... 1226052837 M * onion_ ok, maybe i'll create small loop filesystem and test it with testfs.sh? 1226052887 M * Bert for example, but testing with a real setup would be better 1226052907 M * Bert (the testfs.sh is something I can do too :) 1226052936 M * onion_ ok, I'll take the risk (fs size is 5.5TB) 1226052968 M * onion_ (I have backups) 1226053083 M * Bert good :) 1226053377 M * onion_ hmm. I haven't used testfs before. Does it wipe entire fs? 1226053515 N * Guest1987 Genghis 1226053548 N * Genghis Guest1994 1226053699 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1226053999 J * rgl ~rgl@bl10-110-165.dsl.telepac.pt 1226054085 J * Mojo1978 ~Mojo1978@ip-88-152-97-39.unitymediagroup.de 1226054113 M * Bert onion_: yep 1226054137 N * Bert Bertl 1226054990 Q * nou Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226055246 Q * nkukard Remote host closed the connection 1226055502 J * _Keks_ ~keks@80.64.184.134 1226055512 M * _Keks_ Hi 1226055735 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1226055757 M * Bertl hey 1226055793 M * _Keks_ nice to to see you 1226055794 M * _Keks_ :) 1226055853 M * _Keks_ i've found a posting on the mailing list about oracle 10g and vserver 1226055875 M * Bertl okay? 1226055888 M * _Keks_ i was able to finish the installation without bigger problems 1226055929 M * _Keks_ but the enterprise manager throughs an error about /proc/partitions 1226055945 M * Bertl not being there or what? 1226055954 M * _Keks_ yeap 1226055967 M * Bertl well, you have two options here, I guess: 1226055979 M * Bertl a) do a --bind mount of some fake file 1226055991 M * Bertl b) make the entry visible via procfs security 1226056006 M * _Keks_ hm 1226056024 M * Bertl of course, disabling that check would be the best solution, but I doubt you can with oracle :) 1226056036 M * Bertl maybe morrigan knows more ... 1226056054 M * _Keks_ it looks like a nice-to-have feature 1226056064 M * _Keks_ about IO-stats 1226056079 M * Bertl well, it's kind of useless inside a guest, I guess 1226056079 M * _Keks_ nothing realy critical 1226056109 M * _Keks_ i tried to just touch the file 1226056119 M * Bertl /proc/partitions will not give you any I/O stat info, just the partition layout and major/minors 1226056128 M * _Keks_ hm 1226056136 M * Bertl touch in a virtual filesystem (like procfs) doesn't really work 1226056145 M * _Keks_ i know 1226056145 M * Bertl but as I said, you can --bind mount a file there 1226056164 J * doener ~doener@i577B9D1D.versanet.de 1226056215 M * _Keks_ i only want to avoid "strange" errors 1226056224 M * _Keks_ our developers are a bit ... 1226056250 M * _Keks_ "waaaaa something is wrong" 1226056278 M * _Keks_ "why take linux everytime, when windows is also an option" 1226056298 M * _Keks_ i hate it 1226056402 M * Bertl well, if your 'developersÄ do not see the advantage of Linux over Windows(tm), then I'd consider replacing the developers :) 1226056431 M * _Keks_ my position isnt that powerful 1226056444 M * Bertl if (l)users do not know better, that's okay, they do not know much about computer systems anyway ... but 'developers'? 1226056478 M * _Keks_ :) 1226056504 M * _Keks_ i could install on a real server without vserver 1226056506 M * _Keks_ but 1226056517 M * _Keks_ no free hardware 1226056522 M * _Keks_ soo 1226056535 M * _Keks_ vserver + ora9i + ora10g 1226056546 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 5 lines :) 1226056572 M * _Keks_ ook 1226056577 M * _Keks_ ;) 1226056630 M * Bertl but as I said, try to --bind mount, or unhide that entry, should do the trick 1226056646 M * Bertl after all, the information in /proc/partitions is not going to change on a server 1226056696 M * _Keks_ its all about "Error: java.lang.Exception: Could not open /proc/partitions" 1226056701 M * _Keks_ that all 1226057209 N * Guest1994 Genghis 1226057249 N * Genghis Guest1999 1226057459 Q * rgl Quit: Leaving 1226057778 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.14.46 1226058206 M * onion_ Bertl, testfs.sh works for loop fs. I wouldn't like to destroy my fs in use. Is there any other test's I could try? 1226058211 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226058330 M * onion_ I'm running bonnie++ and copying files around, it seems ok 1226058466 M * Bertl well, run Linux-VServer guests on it, try unification, check permissions 1226058485 M * Bertl basically typical Linux-VServer stuff 1226058519 M * onion_ guests are running... I'll try to play with them. Thanks 1226058535 M * Bertl np 1226058692 Q * onion_ Quit: back to work 1226059472 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1226059485 P * _Keks_ Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org 1226059493 J * rgl ~rgl@bl10-110-165.dsl.telepac.pt 1226060899 N * Guest1999 Genghis 1226060939 N * Genghis Guest2005 1226062401 J * tramjoe_merin ~tramjoe@193.41.238.151 1226064794 N * Guest2005 Genghis 1226064829 N * Genghis Guest2012 1226068484 N * Guest2012 Genghis 1226068519 N * Genghis Guest2019 1226069571 Q * mtg Quit: Verlassend 1226070215 M * Bertl off to grab some groceries ... bbl 1226070220 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1226070503 Q * ghislainocfs2 Quit: Leaving. 1226070578 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1226070624 Q * ghislainocfs2 1226070786 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat 1226070910 M * bibabu daniel_hozac: can you give me the link to the newest util-vserver 1226071625 M * micah bibabu: google is your friend 1226072174 N * Guest2019 Genghis 1226072209 N * Genghis Guest2026 1226072329 Q * bibabu Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1226072377 J * mtg ~mtg@dialbs-088-079-143-204.static.arcor-ip.net 1226072666 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1226072852 J * bibabu bibabu@mikene.org 1226072879 J * kwasar ~dhrabarch@CPE00195e4a14b2-CM001a668100b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1226072904 M * kwasar ?\ 1226072928 M * kwasar hello, i am looking for the latest information on the vserver project. all web info appears to be from 2006. 1226072952 M * kwasar are current kernels supported? is there anyone working on fedora releases past core 6? 1226073035 M * kwasar or is linux-vserver.org not the current web site. 1226073373 M * ktwilight kwasar, which kernel specifically? 1226073378 M * ktwilight 2.6.27? 1226073657 M * daniel_hozac kwasar: Fedora as a host? 1226073830 M * kwasar yes. fedora as a host. 1226073833 Q * kir Quit: Leaving. 1226073849 M * kwasar i have been using fc6 with fc6 guests for a couple years now. 1226073894 M * kwasar I have actually been using the yum repo you made at rpm.hozac.com 1226073976 M * kwasar i am glad to still see activity here. the context vserver is awesome. very small footprint and no server resources are wasted (aka allocated and then never or rarely used by the guest). 1226074004 M * kwasar i normally combine vserver with drbd and heartbeat to give me a failed over vserver 1226074053 M * kwasar my hope is to use a more modern distro. fc6 is starting to get long on the tooth. and of course I am willing to invest some of my time to help make this happen. :) 1226074122 M * kwasar what distro is the prefered one one? centos appears to have the most recent updates. 1226074354 M * daniel_hozac yes, i'm only using CentOS hosts. 1226074366 M * daniel_hozac upgrading every 6 months gets tiresome real fast. 1226074390 M * kwasar ya i agree. so your using centos hosts and centos for the guests? 1226074411 M * daniel_hozac most guests are CentOS, some are Fedora, some are Debian. 1226074477 M * kwasar okay, maybe then i will switch to centos. 1226074491 M * kwasar on a personal note, and this is a big one :) 1226074555 M * kwasar do you prefer centos (ie an rpm based distor) over debian? i personnaly due, and that is because of the more strict licensing requirements of debian. also i have been using fedora, for forever pretty much. 1226074641 M * daniel_hozac Fedora is actually stricter than Debian. Debian still has the non-free repo. 1226074652 M * daniel_hozac but i just prefer rpm over dpkg. 1226074713 M * kwasar yes me too. i have had to use both. once yum was brought over, i stopped using debian. i like the layout of the config file more in fedora. but that is just personal taste. 1226074768 M * kwasar o yes, and thank you Mr. Hozac. For both helping me today and for the work you have put in on the vserver project. 1226074792 M * kwasar i mean it. :) you've helped me impress employers over the years 1226074906 M * kwasar there's nothing like mounting a busted servers disk over usb and "running" the server on a new machine as it's own context server. 1226074914 M * kwasar try doing that with winblows :) 1226074961 M * daniel_hozac hehe, you're welcome. 1226075169 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1226075172 M * Bertl back now ... 1226075201 M * bibabu daniel_hozac: can you give me the url to the latest util-vservers? 1226075215 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2824.tar.bz2 1226075218 M * bibabu thx 1226075398 Q * kwasar Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226075474 J * kwasar ~dhrabarch@CPE00195e4a14b2-CM001a668100b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1226075487 P * kwasar 1226075527 J * doener_ ~doener@i577BB1B3.versanet.de 1226075627 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226075868 N * Guest2026 Genghis 1226075899 N * Genghis Guest2036 1226076751 J * larsivi ~larsivi@9.80-202-30.nextgentel.com 1226076884 Q * tramjoe_merin Remote host closed the connection 1226076920 Q * xdr_ Remote host closed the connection 1226077264 Q * mtg Quit: Verlassend 1226078509 M * micah daniel_hozac: did you see dkg's bug about shared memory? 1226078549 M * Bertl what is his bug? 1226078845 M * micah Bertl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504780 1226078923 M * daniel_hozac except it has nothing to with shared memory :-) 1226079119 M * micah no? 1226079175 M * daniel_hozac /dev/shm is just a directory. 1226079178 M * daniel_hozac nothing special about it. 1226079215 M * daniel_hozac though i think most distributions default to having a tmpfs mounted on it. 1226079218 M * micah sure, unless its mounted as a shfs 1226079229 M * micah err, tmpfs 1226079316 M * micah ok, well.. that may be a red-herring, but his failures to do shared memory commands? 1226079326 M * micah i suppose it would be useful to know what failures he gets 1226079352 M * daniel_hozac they probably assume /dev/shm exists. 1226079397 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.8.87 1226079420 M * micah yeah, he should just add that in the vserver fstab and it probably will work 1226079440 M * daniel_hozac well, as he said, just creating the directory made the test pass. 1226079456 M * daniel_hozac you don't even have to mount anything on it. 1226079528 M * micah yeah, true, but if he wanted it to be a tmpfs he would 1226079544 M * micah what do you think of his suggestion to not clean it? 1226079560 N * Guest2036 Genghis 1226079600 N * Genghis Guest2045 1226079688 M * daniel_hozac replacing /dev is the right thing to do. 1226079708 M * daniel_hozac you might add the shm directory to distrib/defaults/devs though. 1226079817 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226079931 M * micah i suppose due to the posix requirements, shm.h assumes /dev/shm exists 1226079951 M * micah as I dont see it being explicitly required in those simple C sources 1226080065 M * micah glibc 2.2 and above expects tmpfs to be mounted at /dev/shm for POSIX shared memory (shm_open, shm_unlink). 1226080084 M * micah so it seems like it should be available inside a guest by default, no? 1226080182 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1226080495 Q * bibabu Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1226080806 M * micah daniel_hozac: distrib/defaults/devs is more for devices, can a directory be created there? 1226080847 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1226080862 M * daniel_hozac type d 1226080906 M * micah sure, but the next field? 1226080906 J * bibabu bibabu@mikene.org 1226080924 M * daniel_hozac the mode. 1226080943 M * micah ok, all the others had the mode as the third field, so I thought there was something in the second 1226082750 Q * hparker Quit: Quit 1226082892 Q * rgl Quit: Leaving 1226083111 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1226083455 N * Guest2045 Genghis 1226083490 N * Genghis Guest2052 1226084373 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.109.cust.blixtvik.net 1226084686 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1226085872 J * esa` ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it 1226085881 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226086406 J * hijacker ~hijacker@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg 1226087145 N * Guest2052 Genghis 1226087180 N * Genghis Guest2061 1226087896 Q * duckx Quit: Client exiting 1226090835 N * Guest2061 Genghis 1226090870 N * Genghis Guest2070 1226091558 Q * gnuk Quit: NoFeature 1226091861 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat 1226092236 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226092524 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-15-107.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1226092791 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1226093037 Q * hijacker Remote host closed the connection 1226093719 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1226093908 J * dna ~dna@42-231-dsl.kielnet.net 1226094443 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.69.42.51 1226094525 N * Guest2070 Genghis 1226094560 N * Genghis Guest2077 1226095122 J * jordi ~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1226095125 M * jordi hi 1226095136 M * jordi I just created a vserver and I'm getting this: 1226095137 M * jordi vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'vstmpl'; returned value was '' 1226095179 M * Bertl what util-vserver version, what kernel, how did you create the guest? 1226095213 M * jordi util-vserver is 0.30.215-2 on the etch 2.6.28 kernel 1226095224 M * daniel_hozac wow, a kernel from the future, cool. 1226095234 M * jordi eh 1226095240 M * jordi 2.6.18 ;) 1226095244 M * Bertl yeah, the debian folks keep surprising me :) 1226095251 M * jordi ok, ok :P 1226095274 M * Bertl np, so how was the guest created? 1226095281 M * jordi vserver vstmpl build -m debootstrap --context 49151 --hostname vstmpl.localdomain --interface dummy0:10.12.15.254/32 -- -d lenny -m http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian 1226095316 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.215 should tell you what's wrong. 1226095334 M * jordi yeah, however there should be two services at least: 1226095338 M * jordi cron and rsyslogd 1226095349 M * daniel_hozac so you see those starting? 1226095354 M * jordi no 1226095394 M * jordi wait 1226095396 M * jordi wtf 1226095410 M * jordi wtf did util-vserver do... I have nothing in rc2.d 1226095437 M * daniel_hozac not even K scripts? 1226095459 M * jordi Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/cron ... 1226095467 M * jordi Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/rsyslog ... 1226095488 M * jordi only S99rc.local 1226095515 M * daniel_hozac that is odd. 1226095528 M * daniel_hozac OTOH, for all i know, that's what update-rc.d does. 1226095574 A * jordi is looking at util-vserver's debian changelog 1226095593 M * jordi * Fix incorrect removal of rsyslog in inittpost resulting 1226095593 M * jordi in guests not starting properly, due to lenny release goal 1226095595 M * jordi of switching to rsyslog (Closes: #491072) 1226095597 M * jordi damn it 1226095609 M * jordi doesn't explain what happened to cron though 1226095626 M * daniel_hozac every service except *syslog* is disabled. 1226095659 A * jordi recreates symlinks by hand 1226095679 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: er, why? 1226095729 M * jordi there seems to be something odd now 1226095739 M * jordi popes:~# vserver vstmpl start 1226095739 M * jordi popes:~# 1226095746 M * jordi there should be rsyslogd starting now 1226095794 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: consistency. 1226095808 M * daniel_hozac jordi: so you added it to rc3.d? 1226095823 M * jordi rc2, which is the default runlevel in debian 1226095834 M * daniel_hozac so you're using the plain initstyle? 1226095847 M * Bertl or did set the runlevel to 2? 1226095854 M * jordi oh 1226095861 M * jordi does vserver use 3? 1226095884 M * Bertl it uses the default, which IIRC, is 3 1226095890 M * jordi in debian? 1226095905 M * jordi jordi@nubol:...in/services/linux-vserver$ sudo runlevel 1226095906 M * jordi N 2 1226095936 M * jordi alas, this works 1226095957 M * jordi wow, I didn't know this one 1226095975 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1226095982 M * Bertl search for 'runlevel' 1226095994 M * Bertl (you can set your defaults there) 1226096011 M * jordi Bertl: so is it standard behaviour that the postbuild scripts emptied all my rc*.d dirs entirely? 1226096018 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1226096033 M * jordi before I upgraded util-vserver I had rsyslog and cron running after debootstrapping 1226096036 J * xdr_ ~xdr@gote2.109.cust.blixtvik.net 1226096076 M * daniel_hozac your previous version probably lacked Debian support entirely 1226096146 Q * xdr Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226096442 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226096454 M * jordi however if I create a lenny vserver on a lenny host, it does keep a number of links, including cron 1226096462 Q * bibabu Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1226096643 M * Bertl that sounds broken to me :) 1226096667 M * jordi shrug, that's what debian has right now i believe 1226096696 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1226096698 M * jordi Bertl: so the idea is that after creating a vserver you need to enable cron if you want it? 1226096716 M * Bertl the idea is to have a minimal setup for all guests 1226096752 M * Bertl if you need some services, you activate them, if not, they stay off 1226096776 M * Bertl it's a lot better than the other way round 1226096795 M * jordi nod 1226096805 M * jordi I guess debian considers cron part of the minimum 1226096825 M * Bertl yeah, is probably fine, no problem with that actually 1226096846 M * Bertl although I have a bunch of guest without cron or atd running 1226096963 J * bibabu bibabu@mikene.org 1226096983 M * jordi nod 1226097555 M * bibabu Hello, i'm trying to build my own kernel. I used kernel-2.6.27-4 and the newest vserver patch. But i allways get "vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): Function not implemented" 1226097786 M * Bertl did you start with the 'testme.sh' script? 1226097823 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1226097839 M * Bertl give it a spin, and upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org 1226097952 M * bibabu i have 1226097959 M * bibabu but i dont saved the resault 1226097984 M * Bertl well, run it again, no problem there :) 1226098007 M * bibabu chcontext failed! 1226098015 M * bibabu and vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): Function not implemented 1226098026 M * bibabu and chbind is working. 1226098030 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1226098034 M * Bertl pastebin please 1226098036 M * bibabu k 1226098215 N * Guest2077 Genghis 1226098250 N * Genghis Guest2083 1226098266 M * bibabu I cannot restart again. There are some services which are needed at the moment. Howlong do you stay here? 1226098307 M * Bertl I'm almost off to bed now .. but just do the run, upload the output to the pastebin, and paste the url here .. somebody will look at it 1226098314 M * bibabu ok 1226098316 M * bibabu good night 1226098481 M * daniel_hozac what util-vserver version? 1226098531 M * bibabu util-vserver: 0.30.216-pre2772; Oct 4 2008, 17:21:55 (the perbuild one from debian lenny) 1226098623 M * daniel_hozac try with a recent snapshot. 1226098634 M * bibabu i will do 1226098647 M * bibabu later..when i can shutdown the services whitout fears :-) 1226098653 M * bibabu -s 1226100022 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1226100254 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1226100271 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1226100853 J * mire ~mire@220-173-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1226101905 N * Guest2083 Genghis 1226101940 N * Genghis Guest2094