1225757657 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-217-61.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net
1225757795 J * BrunoXLambert ~Bruno@dsl-236-123-171.b2b2c.ca
1225757812 Q * BrunoXLambert 
1225758230 Q * friendly Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225758644 J * sandman ~s@CPE-65-27-99-139.new.res.rr.com
1225758661 M * sandman Is there any real reason to use Xen when you could just use VServer?
1225758694 M * daniel_hozac Xen? no. kvm on the other hand...
1225758699 M * Wonka you cannot reboot a vserver.
1225758707 M * daniel_hozac it's handy when you need to run separate kernels.
1225758712 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: uh, yes you can.
1225758720 M * Wonka only kill all its processes - and there are processes you cannot kill
1225758732 M * sandman Wonka: Such as?
1225758763 M * daniel_hozac processes that have crashed in kernel space.
1225758776 M * Wonka once, i had to reboot a vserver host after open-iscsi's postinstall script tried to stop the iscsi stuff.
1225758793 M * sandman I had heard that VServer and Xen are useful together
1225758794 M * Wonka because everything just hung
1225758795 M * sandman But, I don't see how.
1225758814 M * sandman I guess that's my main question. I don't see a point in using VServer together with Xen. Seems one would want to do one or the other, really.
1225758830 M * daniel_hozac they're orthogonal.
1225758830 M * Wonka sandman: to run *bsd/windows/somethingother on the same hardware as vservers?
1225758872 M * sandman Well, yeah.
1225758883 M * sandman I forgot to mention that I won't be running alternate kernels or other OS's
1225758903 M * sandman Wonka: Also: For me to run Windows under Xen, must my CPU support VT-x or some such?
1225758905 M * Wonka then scrap xen.
1225758923 M * Wonka yes, windows doesn't like paravirtualization afaik.
1225758936 M * sandman And additionally, isn't it true that you cannot get 3d acceleration from within Xen?
1225758952 M * Wonka running the same linux kernel in several xen domUs is a waste of ram
1225758972 M * Wonka you can. but only in the domU that gets the 3d hardware.
1225758996 M * sandman Well. I would much prefer to only run minimal things in the domU. 
1225759009 M * sandman No services or anything. So, perhaps I could run a VServer under domU running testing
1225759014 M * Wonka er, whut?
1225759018 M * sandman Whereas the domU itself would be running Debian Stable
1225759034 M * Wonka the dom0 is the stuff that should run nearly nothing
1225759039 M * Wonka one dom0, many domU
1225759043 M * sandman Well, isn't it true that you can get 3d acceleration by running an X server from within a VServer?
1225759051 M * sandman OH
1225759054 M * sandman That's what I meant, sorry.
1225759083 M * sandman But you just said that the domU gets 3d acceleration, not dom0?
1225759104 M * sandman I would have thought 3d acceleration would only work within dom0, since it has the proper memory addresses
1225759129 M * Wonka you can hand PCI devices to a domU.
1225759144 M * Wonka somehow.
1225759152 M * Wonka never did it
1225759236 M * sandman Will one be able to do 3d acceleration within a VServer by running an X server from within it?
1225759249 M * sandman I just wanted to ask these questions before I destroyed all my data =)
1225759255 M * Wonka no idea.
1225759304 M * daniel_hozac if you give it the necessary caps/devices/files.
1225759323 M * sandman Yeah. 
1225759325 M * sandman That's what I was thinking.
1225759336 M * sandman Here's a really good question: Can I load kernel modules from the vserver?
1225759372 M * sandman namely, the nvidia kernel? Or would this need to be done via the host
1225759416 M * daniel_hozac with caps etc...
1225759433 Q * trippeh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225759434 M * daniel_hozac note that you've then lost the security game completely.
1225759493 M * sandman So it would seem.
1225759582 M * sandman Well, not entirely I don't think.
1225759654 M * daniel_hozac you've given the guest the right to load arbitrary code into the kernel. you can't lose any harder.
1225759837 M * sandman So I'd want to do that on the host system, then.
1225759959 J * trippeh ~atomt@uff.ugh.no
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1225776646 J * Adrinael adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi
1225779926 J * mtg ~mtg@dialbs-088-079-143-204.static.arcor-ip.net
1225780968 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1225780973 M * Bertl morning folks!
1225781428 J * sharkjaw ~gab@149-67-194.231210.adsl.tele2.no
1225781983 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1225782237 Q * Supaplex charon.oftc.net weber.oftc.net
1225782237 Q * Hollow charon.oftc.net weber.oftc.net
1225782237 Q * sardyno_ charon.oftc.net weber.oftc.net
1225782250 M * Bertl okay, off now .. bbl
1225782254 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1225782282 N * Hollow_ Hollow
1225782302 J * Supaplex ~supaplex@166.70.62.200
1225782302 J * sardyno_ ~me@pool-96-235-18-120.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net
1225783693 J * rgl ~rgl@lx2-84-90-232-86.netvisao.pt
1225784626 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.22.245
1225784631 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225784732 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
1225785482 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225785654 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225786031 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1225786294 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71
1225786459 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1225788603 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1225788684 Q * duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225789788 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.13.188
1225790167 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225792516 J * tramjoe_merin ~tramjoe@193.41.238.151
1225793004 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1225793345 Q * pmenier Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225793363 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1225794016 J * yarihm ~yarihm@guest-docking-nat-3-020.ethz.ch
1225794087 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225794933 J * DavidS ~DavidS@p4FCC2408.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1225794953 M * DavidS again, I'm lost :-/
1225794999 M * DavidS I'm getting "vsysctl: open("."): Permission denied", but i'm not using tagging (as http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2007-09/LOG_2007-09-05.txt suggested)
1225795362 Q * zbyniu Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225795747 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1225795890 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1225795991 M * DavidS this server must die! it booted into the wrong kernel. again!
1225796182 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225796320 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving
1225796461 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225796593 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1225798465 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1225798525 M * Bertl back now ...
1225798550 M * Bertl DavidS: so problem solved?
1225798783 J * rgl ~rgl@bl8-136-252.dsl.telepac.pt
1225799493 J * doener_ ~doener@i577AFF8C.versanet.de
1225799597 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225801600 M * DavidS Bertl: yeah :-/ "solved" on this particular server means pushing one of the workaround-hack-that-only-has-to-hold-until-the-last-app-is-migrated-away buttons
1225801622 M * DavidS I'll be so happy if i can decommision this piece of *beep*
1225802169 J * dna ~dna@143-202-dsl.kielnet.net
1225803056 J * yarihm ~yarihm@guest-docking-nat-3-033.ethz.ch
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1225803482 J * DLange ~DLange@dlange.user.oftc.net
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1225806665 J * rgl_ ~rgl@bl8-136-252.dsl.telepac.pt
1225806711 J * padde_ ~padde@patrick-nagel.net
1225806716 Q * padde Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225806722 N * padde_ padde
1225807064 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225807543 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225807543 Q * pmenier Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225807585 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1225807828 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1225808050 J * yangp yang@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.server4you.de
1225808065 J * weaselTM ~weasel@anguilla.debian.or.at
1225808073 J * n01101111x ~nox@static.88-198-17-175.clients.your-server.de
1225808097 J * Bertl_ herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at
1225808098 Q * opuk Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225808098 J * opuk ~kupo@potatisbulle.com
1225808098 J * tokkee_ tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org
1225808098 Q * tokkee Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225808098 J * biz_ biz@baze.de
1225808098 Q * biz Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225808098 Q * nox Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225808098 Q * Bertl Remote host closed the connection
1225808098 N * n01101111x nox
1225808109 Q * weasel Remote host closed the connection
1225808119 Q * yang Remote host closed the connection
1225808122 N * weaselTM weasel
1225808140 N * Bertl_ Bertl
1225808169 Q * AndrewLee Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225808169 J * Genghis ~Genghis@what.is.this.digitalcrap.org
1225808193 N * Genghis Guest1480
1225808354 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw
1225808413 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1225810147 M * ard lfaefe   wel[ljfwpojfwpejfo
1225810156 M * ard Hmmm
1225810163 M * ard stuck ipv6 connection
1225810820 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl
1225810824 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1225810929 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225811088 N * tokkee_ tokkee
1225811544 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving.
1225811923 N * Guest1480 Genghis
1225811963 N * Genghis Guest1491
1225812517 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1225812930 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.13.47
1225813327 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1225814402 J * doener ~doener@i577BA6C8.versanet.de
1225814506 Q * doener_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225815613 N * Guest1491 Genghis
1225815653 N * Genghis Guest1498
1225815769 J * zbyniu ~zbyniu@ip-62.181.188.13.static.crowley.pl
1225815902 Q * doener Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225816132 J * doener ~doener@i577BADD9.versanet.de
1225817154 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat
1225817637 Q * tramjoe_merin Remote host closed the connection
1225817999 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch
1225818070 J * tramjoe_merin ~tramjoe@193.41.238.151
1225818340 J * larsivi ~larsivi@9.80-202-30.nextgentel.com
1225818532 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1225818862 Q * mtg Quit: Verlassend
1225819509 N * Guest1498 Genghis
1225819543 N * Genghis Guest1507
1225820018 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.8.178
1225820458 Q * tramjoe_merin Remote host closed the connection
1225820463 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225821547 N * pmenier pmenier_off
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1225821961 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1225822251 Q * pmenier_off Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225822983 J * daytona ~IdeG]Scri@88-149-240-59.dynamic.ngi.it
1225822986 P * daytona 
1225823078 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.121.222
1225823199 N * Guest1507 Genghis
1225823233 N * Genghis Guest1515
1225823647 J * ViRUS ~mp@p579B5D2A.dip.t-dialin.net
1225824878 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-15-107.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1225824889 Q * Aiken 
1225825731 Q * rgl_ Quit: Leaving
1225825856 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-15-107.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1225826840 J * cga_ ~weechat@94.36.130.212
1225826889 N * Guest1515 Genghis
1225826921 Q * cga Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225826923 N * Genghis Guest1523
1225827260 N * cga_ cga
1225828010 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1225829037 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection
1225829247 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1225829306 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection
1225829561 Q * Hollow Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...
1225829593 J * Hollow ~hollow@static.81.182.47.78.clients.your-server.de
1225829779 Q * Hollow 
1225829791 J * Hollow ~hollow@vishnu.xnull.de
1225830157 J * Hollow__ ~hollow@vishnu.xnull.de
1225830219 Q * bzed Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225830220 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225830225 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1225830244 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de
1225830244 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225830253 N * Loki_muh Loki|muh
1225830274 N * Hollow__ Hollow
1225830579 N * Guest1523 Genghis
1225830613 N * Genghis Guest1533
1225831328 M * glen_ [ 5202.014269] vxW: [<BB>ps<AB>,18286:#254|254|254] did lookup hidden ffff81025ec11618[#0,2] <BB>/dev/pts<AB>.
1225831338 M * glen_ any ideas why i get this in dmesg?
1225831590 J * emcepe ~mcp@wolk-project.de
1225831766 Q * mcp Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225831766 N * emcepe mcp
1225831863 Q * bzed Read error: Connection reset by peer
1225831867 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1225831933 J * nou Chaton@2001:6f8:328:bbc:6666:6667::
1225833499 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1225834269 N * Guest1533 Genghis
1225834303 N * Genghis Guest1549
1225834513 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1225834714 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1225836853 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1225837965 N * Guest1549 Genghis
1225838003 N * Genghis Guest1560
1225838123 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225838564 J * richi_ ~richi@chello062178029134.10.11.vie.surfer.at
1225838574 Q * ViRUS Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison)
1225838590 M * richi_ hi, how can i exec more than one command with "vserver <name> exec <programm(s)>" ?
1225838595 M * richi_ double quotes?
1225838729 M * Bertl vserver <name> exec /bin/bash -c "...."
1225838742 M * richi_ thx :)
1225838838 M * richi_ you are my lifebuoy in the sea of the 1000 vserver questions ;)
1225839056 M * Bertl lol
1225839060 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1225840175 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat
1225841571 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1225841654 N * Guest1560 Genghis
1225841693 N * Genghis Guest1564
1225841759 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1225842495 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection
1225842717 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1225842857 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1225843002 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1225843012 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ