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1223885538 M * coroy hello 
1223885539 M * coroy :)
1223887080 J * joe_mp joe@p549C614B.dip.t-dialin.net
1223887112 M * joe_mp hello all
1223887146 M * joe_mp i have a problem with additional nwtwork interface on gentoo vserver. when i add a second interface to the guest in /etc/vserver/guest/interfaces/, the interface will not be created after restart. is there a known issue with ? im running gentoo 2.6.20 with vserver 2.2.0-r1
1223887649 M * ghislainocfs21 do you created the files in the etc/vservers directory ?
1223887729 M * ghislainocfs21 if you 'hot add' them this will not survive a restart, you have to create the config files for this
1223888647 M * joe_mp  i have created the files (dev, ip, prefix) in /etc/vservers/<guest>/interfaces/2/, is this what ur mean ?
1223888654 M * ghislainocfs21 yes
1223888699 M * joe_mp yes i did and restarted the guest, but the interface isnt created 
1223888713 M * ghislainocfs21 hum
1223888727 M * ghislainocfs21 can you give details about the interface you have and want to bring up ?
1223888783 M * joe_mp i have a server with a main ip and a subnet and wanted to give 2 ips of the subnet to the guest 
1223888817 M * joe_mp so the first and second are in the same subnet only the ip self is different
1223888859 M * ghislainocfs21 ok so you have an nodev file, an ip file and a name file  in interface2 ?
1223888885 M * ghislainocfs21 this is not a real interface
1223888886 M * joe_mp and another wuestion is: is my vserver maybe a bit old and should i update to 2.2.07 ?
1223888909 M * ghislainocfs21 oh you use an 2.0 ?
1223888926 M * joe_mp no i created the files dev, ip and  prefix  there
1223888946 M * joe_mp yes my installation is from december last year
1223888954 M * ghislainocfs21 ok, add a name file with for exemple teh number 2 in it only
1223888992 M * ghislainocfs21 and restart the vserver
1223889005 M * joe_mp ok will try but for the first interface there are no such file 
1223889056 M * ghislainocfs21 yes but the interface is not configured on the host at all ?
1223889212 M * joe_mp yes, the main host have oly the main ip, no ips from the subnet
1223889245 M * ghislainocfs21 the issue is that you give no 'name' i think
1223889258 M * ghislainocfs21 eth0 is allready existing you have to create a eth0:2
1223889286 M * ghislainocfs21 so just create a 'name' file in the interface/2 with '2' in it and try to restart
1223889343 M * joe_mp ok i will try it, unfortunatelly i cant restart the server during working hours, so have to wait until the evening, but thx for the hint so far. i will be here tomorrow and report :-)
1223889397 M * Punkie you don't need file "name", but if yout don't have it, you can't see your IP adress by command "ifconfig" try command "ip a s" (from iproute)
1223889472 M * joe_mp ip a s also only reporting eth0 and tap0
1223889595 M * Punkie and there is no 2 IP addresses on one interface?
1223889712 M * joe_mp no only the first one is attached
1223890210 M * joe_mp i see gentoo offers vserver 2.2.0.6 meanwhile. is there a good reason to update from 2.2.0-r1 to 2.2.0.6 ?
1223891233 J * tramjoe_merin ~tramjoe@193.41.238.151
1223891391 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1223891397 M * Bertl morning folks!
1223891600 M * sid3windr heya Bertl 
1223891833 M * ghislainocfs21 hi bertl
1223892307 M * Bertl ah, 2.6.27 is out :)
1223892853 M * joe_mp i took a look at the change log and see that there many fixes for proc and and also for dm that im using very extensiv, but evmsn was not working so far. so it seems that i really should go for an update argh :-(
1223893281 M * Bertl hmm? what kernel do you use atm?
1223893403 M * ktwilight__ but xfs isn't stable in .27 yet :(
1223893484 M * ktwilight__ .26.6 is out though. i tried to rework the patch, but i fail for ipv6 :( since there were quite a 'big' change for ipv6 in 2
1223893487 M * ktwilight__ uh, .26.6
1223893527 M * pmjdebru1jn huh?
1223893541 M * pmjdebru1jn ktwilight__: how did it fail?
1223894087 M * ktwilight__ ipv6 in .26.6 has some new code
1223894113 M * ktwilight__ pmjdebru1jn, i've looked at it but didn't quite understand it, seems to have some new function or class or whatever
1223894117 A * ktwilight__ is not a C programmer :)
1223894131 M * ktwilight__ the others were fine though, afaict
1223894474 M * Bertl ktwilight__: so ipv6 fails for you with 2.6.26 Linux-VServer patches?
1223894486 M * Bertl if so, in what way?
1223894508 M * Bertl or just applying the patch failed on 2.6.26.6?
1223894515 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com
1223894564 M * Bertl ktwilight__: yes, xfs is broken in the 2.6.27-rc patches, but BuGless claimed to have fixed them ... unfortunately he didn't provide a patch (yet)
1223894726 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1223894832 M * pmjdebru1jn ktwilight__: we don't use ipv6 over here... but the patch applied just fine with --fuzz=8
1223894849 M * Bertl lol
1223894885 M * Bertl I somewhat doubt you'll find a patch which doesn't :)
1223895140 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1223895143 P * jsambrook 
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1223896150 M * ktwilight__ Bertl, just applying the .26.5 patch fails in .26.6
1223896172 M * ktwilight__ pmjdebru1jn, sure, but dig into the code, you'll see lots of changes ;)
1223896175 M * ktwilight__ anywayz, am off. bbl
1223896177 M * ktwilight__ *waves*
1223896183 M * Bertl cya
1223896629 M * joe_mp Bertl i use gentoo 2.6.20 with vserver 2.2.0-r1
1223896657 M * Bertl well, that is quite an old kernel for gentoo
1223896773 M * joe_mp yeah i think i have to update, but now fighting with openrc and baselauyout-2. can i save unmask it on a amd64. the problem is i dont have console to my server.
1223896816 M * Bertl best talk to Hollow, he has all the details (regarding gentoo)
1223896865 M * joe_mp ok, but he seems to be afk
1223896886 M * PowerKe joe_mp: you don't need console access if you want to run openrc/baselayout-2 on guests (as you can see the output when starting the guest over ssh)
1223896895 M * Bertl a little patience often pays off :)
1223896915 M * joe_mp Bertl of course :-)
1223896920 M * PowerKe Best thing would be to just create a new guest and try it out there
1223896946 M * Bertl I think, he meant for the host, but I might be wrong there :)
1223896946 M * joe_mp PowerKe my problem is im going to update the main system first
1223896955 M * PowerKe I'm currently using openrc/baselayout-2 on most of my guests (wouldn't use it on the host though)
1223896977 M * joe_mp why 
1223896985 M * PowerKe Don't use openrc on the host yet, there are some bugs which might prevent it from booting
1223897011 M * joe_mp yeah that's what i read so far and the reason for my question
1223897074 M * PowerKe From what I know it's mostly hardware / concurrency related. For guests the risk is lower as they don't need to run as many scripts to start and don't need to initialize hardware / networking
1223897104 M * PowerKe also, worst case you can just chroot to the guest and fix it (haven't had problems with it yet though)
1223897145 M * PowerKe So for now I just run baselayout-1 on the host and baselayout-2 on guests
1223897280 M * joe_mp yeah, but the reason for me to update is that evms isn't working with my configuration now and also new network devices arent available on the guest. i guess the problem is connected to the proc and udev, where the new versions have some fixes for
1223897308 M * joe_mp are u using lvm on ur systems ?
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1223897437 M * PowerKe raid + lvm using an initrd I built myself
1223897464 M * PowerKe (rootfs on raid+lvm)
1223897476 M * joe_mp ah ok
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1223899695 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/11/235
1223899763 M * Bertl is that a tiny hint that somebody might want to get updated patches for 2.6.16? :)
1223899808 M * daniel_hozac or that we should focus on 2.6.27 instead?
1223899808 M * pmjdebru1jn huh no?
1223899820 M * pmjdebru1jn daniel_hozac: right!
1223899834 M * Bertl well, focus is on 2.6.27 as we speak now :)
1223899851 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: I hope the focus stays there...
1223899880 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: I've used the 2.6.16.x kernels (without vserver), which are great, in some situations they really are more stable
1223899886 M * Bertl speaking of 2.6.27, has anybody experience or information on T13/ATA  External Path Protection?
1223899890 M * pmjdebru1jn Adrian Bunk et all are really doing a great job
1223899901 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: no... but it sounds juicy!
1223899932 M * Bertl well, the theory is quite clear and not really unexpected to me, but I wonder which hardware will/is support(ing) that?
1223899982 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: yeah
1223899988 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do you know, is the 'drivers/net/tun.c:465: warning: passing argument 3 of 'tun_put_user' discards qualifiers from pointer target type' warning related to our code?
1223899995 M * pmjdebru1jn I wonder how high/low-end you can go
1223900969 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: anyway, it would be fantastic to see vserver stabilize on 2.6.27, that would mean, linux+vserver can really really get rock solid
1223900991 M * Bertl well, testing is a key to that ...
1223900996 M * pmjdebru1jn most issues we have with current kernels, are not really issues with vserver, but issues with 2.6.22 itself
1223901027 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: well, not just vserver needs to be ultra stable... the basic kernel as well
1223901072 M * Bertl as it looks, adrian is going to work on that, no?
1223901128 M * pmjdebru1jn indeed
1223901236 M * pmjdebru1jn Bertl: A perfect oppertunity for vserver, no?
1223901238 M * pmjdebru1jn :)
1223901276 M * Bertl the world is full of oportunities :)
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1223909058 J * independence independen@titan.blinkenshell.org
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1223909564 M * kwowt hgm
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1223909604 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: no, we don't change anything there.
1223909657 M * kwowt when i try to ssh to the guest vserver the ip seems to be used by the host server..
1223909666 M * kwowt all guest ip's
1223909693 M * daniel_hozac so you followed the FAQ already?
1223910120 M * kwowt nothing like that in the faq..
1223910136 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#When_I_try_to_ssh_to_the_guest.2C_I_log_into_the_host.2C_even_if_I_installed_sshd_on_the_guest._What.27s_wrong_here.3F
1223910192 M * kwowt omg
1223910380 M * kwowt sry&thanks
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1223927915 M * quinq is there a way to use vsomething ? ^^
1223927922 M * quinq can't figure out how to use it
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1223928549 M * Bertl vsomething --help?
1223928661 M * quinq yeah, I did that :)
1223928677 M * Bertl and? no clues?
1223928729 M * quinq can't use it, I wouldn't be asking there if I could :/
1223928765 M * quinq could you show me for exemple how to do a simple "ls -l /" on each of my vserver ?
1223928843 M * daniel_hozac vsomething vserver --all -- exec ls -l
1223928863 M * daniel_hozac or --running
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1223928946 M * quinq oh <cmd> is actually a vserver command
1223928959 M * quinq I thought that was my unix command
1223928966 M * quinq thank you :)
1223928973 M * daniel_hozac <cmd> is whatever you want to be executed.
1223929008 M * quinq I thought that was something like 'vsomething ls --all -- -l'
1223929009 M * daniel_hozac it will be executed as <cmd> <guest name> <extra args>, so it needs to do the right thing.
1223929019 M * quinq ok !
1223929029 M * quinq thanks :)
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1223935897 M * almak Hi, Is it possible to use memory limit to reserve physical memory for a vserver when disk swapping is turned on?
1223935910 M * daniel_hozac no.
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1223936168 M * almak Is the limitation due to feature not implementated by vserver or limitation of linux
1223936223 M * daniel_hozac memory reservations are _really_ hard.
1223936231 M * daniel_hozac but i believe mainline is slowly getting there.
1223936272 M * almak I see.
1223936984 M * almak So, this work is dependent on Linux development no vserver work?
1223937123 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1223937405 M * almak OK. Different question. I enabled memory limit on a vserver context with swapping turned on. I have selected the AS value as limit, since RSS does not allow vserver context to be > physical memory. I am seeing pretty large AS numbers even if I trim down my application to run within physical memory. Is it possible to limit memory (not using RSS) when swapping is turned on?
1223937685 M * Bertl what do you want to limit?
1223937776 M * almak Essentially, total memory used by an application. So that another application can have a certain amount of virtual memroy reserved.
1223937794 M * almak application = vserver-context
1223937841 M * Bertl so, total memory is sum over virtual memory for you?
1223937896 M * almak total memory is sum of memory used by all processes inside a vserver context
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1223937913 M * Bertl please define memory :)
1223937931 M * almak Physical ram + swap
1223937973 M * Bertl there is no such limit atm
1223938008 M * almak So that means there is no memory limitation when swap is enabled.
1223938019 M * Bertl well, yes, but only on rss
1223938026 M * almak OK.
1223938038 M * Bertl which is actually the only thing which you probably care about anyway
1223938061 M * almak Is there any plan to implement virtual memory limit in the forseeable future?
1223938089 M * Bertl virtual memory is something completely different, and that is limited via the AS (address space) limits
1223938121 M * Bertl swap + ram is something not very natural to linux
1223938161 M * Bertl although at some point, we might account the swap pages too
1223938189 M * almak Let me rephrase, is there any plan to implement swap+ram limit?
1223938228 M * Bertl not atm, and not without good reason (from Linux-VServer), but IIRC, mainline is working on something in this regard
1223938277 M * almak OK. 
1223938378 M * almak Actually it will be good to account for swap pages, since using VIRT_MEM, the swap page value inside context is very different from actual usage.
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1223938708 M * Bertl almak: well, if overall system performance is your main concern, you don't want to force any swapping unless it is absolutely necessary
1223938750 M * Bertl and there is a natural limit for the swap space anyway, so you won't go above that either
1223938785 M * Bertl the swap/mem values VIRT_MEM shows are for applications (inside guests), and users which would like to see a swap :)
1223938842 J * mattzerah ~matt@pool1-180.dyn.winshop.com.au
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1223939057 M * almak What I would like are 1) ability to protect the hostOS from memory hog Vserver contexts. 2) I have encountered some apps that has a process monitoring swap usage, with VIRT_MEM turned on, that code will not work.
1223939182 M * Bertl well, first, a limit on RSS and AS will block a memory hog efficiently
1223939207 M * Bertl second, what is the purpose of monitoring the swap space in a guest?
1223939226 M * Bertl and finally, why would it fail with VIRT_MEM?
1223939307 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1223939336 J * esa bip@62.123.8.3
1223939611 M * almak Looks like there is some code that can do some throttling when swap space gets low. The kernel version 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1 /proc/meminfo SwapTotal shows a much larger value than on the host side.
1223939701 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@75.86-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1223939779 M * almak Also AS value is much larger than expected. Does shared libraries get counted multiple times within a context?
1223939828 M * daniel_hozac of course. it's address space.
1223939906 M * almak That's what makes it hard to give a good estimate of AS limit.
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1223940100 M * Bertl the swap shown inside the guest is controlled via the soft/hard limit of rss
1223940113 M * daniel_hozac not for their ancient kernel.
1223940153 M * Bertl well, we are talking recent kernels, of course, and you can 'estimate' the AS limit by looking at the actual max of a running guest
1223940422 M * almak What I don't understand with AS limit is how to relate it to swap usage, since my goal is to protect the hostOS.
1223940493 M * daniel_hozac it has absolutely nothing to do with swap.
1223940533 M * almak I see.
1223940681 M * almak Bertl: How does rss limit control swap display inside context?
1223940873 M * Bertl the difference between hard and soft limit is shown as swap space
1223940894 M * Bertl the soft limit itself is shown as physical ram
1223940949 M * almak So are you saying RSS limit can be > Physical RAM?
1223941000 M * Bertl > physical ram shown in the guest, yes
1223941033 M * Bertl there is no point in having an rss limit which is above the physical ram of the host
1223941043 M * Bertl (i.e. it will never apply)
1223941054 M * almak OK. I see what you mean. 
1223941078 M * almak What will be display as swap if, no memory limit is applied?
1223941135 M * Bertl IIRC, if there are no limits, it will show the host values
1223941246 M * almak That's good. I will be testing with the 2.6.22 kernel soon and won't be asking questions about ancient kernels :) Thanks Bertl and Daniel you have been most helpful.
1223941360 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.22 is over a year old by now...
1223941459 M * Bertl but it was a good kernel :)
1223941478 M * almak Yea, less ancient never the less.
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