1223597257 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@e180223004.adsl.alicedsl.de 1223597372 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1223601123 Q * docelic Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1223601724 J * doener_ ~doener@i577B8FB1.versanet.de 1223601827 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223601914 J * jsullivan ~jsullivan@cpe-76-178-208-188.maine.res.rr.com 1223601951 M * jsullivan Good evening, all. I'm a complete vserver noob. 1223601986 M * jsullivan We are having a problem installing on CentOS 5.2. 1223601999 M * jsullivan When we do yum install kernel (after adding the repository) . . . 1223602015 M * jsullivan we are told the current kernel is newer and yum install fails. 1223602076 M * jsullivan Transaction check error: 1223602083 M * jsullivan package kernel-2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1 (which is newer than kernel-2.6.22.18-vs2.3.0.32.1) is already installed 1223602106 M * jsullivan Oops - I just noticed that vs2.3. 1223602157 M * jsullivan Ah, I added the repository and then did a yum update since it was a new installation and I had forgotten to update it before adding the repository. 1223602189 M * jsullivan Strange that I would get this error though. Never mind :-( 1223604112 Q * jsullivan Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1223605262 Q * bXi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223605466 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk 1223609882 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223613570 Q * psycotux Read error: Connection reset by peer 1223615833 J * jsullivan ~jsullivan@cpe-76-178-208-188.maine.res.rr.com 1223615849 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.66.167 1223615860 M * jsullivan Hello, all. 1223615895 M * jsullivan I've been working through my vserver newbiness but have a bit of a problem with vashify. 1223615909 Q * Supaplex Quit: rebooting because I forgot what my P.O.S.T. screen looks like since 72 days ago. Go Linux! :) :) 1223615924 M * jsullivan 1223615959 M * jsullivan I set up a host and two guests. 1223615977 M * jsullivan With the guests running, I ran vserver hashify. 1223615986 M * jsullivan The first guest went smoothly. 1223615998 M * jsullivan The second guest (cloned from the first one) generated this error: 1223616004 M * jsullivan vcontext: execvp("rpm"): No such file or directory 1223616016 M * jsullivan Neither of the guests has rpm. 1223616024 M * jsullivan What is it looking or and how do I fix it? 1223617706 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223618792 M * jsullivan Hello, anyone home? 1223619887 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180210116.adsl.alicedsl.de 1223619959 Q * SpComb Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223620103 M * jsullivan Hello, is anyone available to help me with a vhashify problem? 1223620108 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net 1223620152 M * jsullivan I set up a host and two guests. 1223620165 M * jsullivan With the guests running, I ran vserver hashify. 1223620173 M * jsullivan The first guest went smoothly. 1223620179 M * jsullivan The second guest (cloned from the first one) generated this error: 1223620184 M * jsullivan vcontext: execvp("rpm"): No such file or directory 1223620190 M * jsullivan Neither of the guests has rpm. 1223620198 M * jsullivan What is it looking or and how do I fix it? 1223620459 J * SpComb terom@zapotek.paivola.fi 1223620985 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1223621123 J * mtg ~mtg@dialbs-088-079-143-204.static.arcor-ip.net 1223621401 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1223621827 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223623033 J * Supaplex ~supaplex@166.70.62.200 1223623765 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1223623953 J * Bruno ~Bruno@dsl-10-130-74.b2b2c.ca 1223624245 Q * BrunoXLambert Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223626024 M * Bertl_oO jsullivan: how did you clone the guest? 1223626053 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.204.142 1223626072 M * Bertl_oO and more important, did the guest work without that error _before_ you hashified it? 1223626100 M * Bertl_oO (might not be verifyable, as the clone automatically hashifies the copy, if the original is hashified) 1223626137 M * Bertl_oO (you might simply need to specify the proper distribution on the clone command, see 'vserver - clone --help' 1223626295 M * fb Bertl_oO: ext3 is still rexommended as a base for hashified guests? 1223626630 M * ktwilight__ what's the fundamental difference between clone and rsync? clones takes the exact copy, and able to do it while the vserver is live? i've only been using rsync, and i know i need to shutdown the guest before rsync-ing. 1223626684 M * ktwilight__ ah ok, http://linux-vserver.org/Building_Guest_Systems has some explanation. 1223626834 M * Punkie Hello, I would like to ask if the tagging on nfs is working? 1223626987 M * ktwilight__ Punkie, am guessin' the testfs.sh can test that 1223627800 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3 1223627857 M * Punkie I can't download that script because of no response from web :(. But the question should be if this tagging generally working. I am not able to mount disk throught nfs with "tag" option :( 1223627886 M * daniel_hozac is the server running a Linux-VServer kernel with tagging enabled? 1223627900 M * Punkie yes 1223627913 M * daniel_hozac and the client too? 1223627919 M * Punkie yes 1223627970 M * Punkie I get "Unsupported nfs mount option: tag" when I try to mount it 1223627989 M * daniel_hozac what tagging are you using? 1223628123 M * Punkie if you mean uid/gid ? ... UID24/GID24 1223628185 M * daniel_hozac and what kernel are you using? 1223628194 M * daniel_hozac (on both the server and client) 1223628215 M * Punkie 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34 on both 1223628482 M * blathijs Is /dev/fd supposed to exist within a guest? I have a few vservers that have it (symlink to /proc/self/fd, which seems customary on linux), but one that doesn't have it (which gives errors when using bash's extended tab completion) 1223628493 M * blathijs Might be that /dev/fd was never present in that vserver, though 1223628519 M * blathijs I created it manually, but now I get an error from vclone, saying /dev/fd already exists 1223628533 M * Bertl_oO fb: ext3 is probably the best tested fs, but other supported fs should work fine 1223628537 M * blathijs Any chance that the clone method creates /dev/fd, while the debootstrap method doesn't? 1223628561 M * daniel_hozac Punkie: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-nfsd-fix01.diff 1223628568 M * fb Bertl_oO: xfs? 1223628573 M * daniel_hozac blathijs: they both create it. 1223628593 M * daniel_hozac blathijs: as for the clone error, it's a bug that's been fixed in the latest snapshot. 1223628632 M * blathijs daniel_hozac: I'll try creating a new vserver then in a minute. It seems typical that both of my debootstrap vservers don't have it, while all of the cloned ones do 1223628643 M * Punkie daniel_hozac: thank you, I go to test it ;) 1223628692 M * Bertl_oO fb: if you don't happen to have a patch version were xfs is broken, then yes 1223628734 M * Bertl_oO 2.6.26.x should be fine, for example 1223628763 M * Bertl_oO you can check with testfs.sh if you want to make sure, just keep in mind, that it will reformat the given partition 1223628790 M * fb Bertl_oO: thanks for the info 1223628814 M * fb Bertl_oO: if only I find some time to "break what's working now" ;) 1223628833 M * fb Bertl_oO: and what about 2.2 line? 1223628833 M * Bertl_oO np, off sight seeing in ireland now .. bbl 1223628853 M * Bertl_oO the stable 2.2 should be fine too, IIRC 1223628883 M * fb Bertl_oO: have a nice trip :D 1223628987 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@92.117.167.43 1223629194 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1223629368 Q * davidkarban 1223629378 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1223630723 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.66.146 1223632692 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223632785 J * docelic_ ~docelic@78.134.202.188 1223633199 Q * docelic Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223633512 M * Punkie daniel_hozac: that patch is not working for me, maybe I have something wrong... 1223633992 M * daniel_hozac Punkie: so you've applied it on both the server and client, the server's exported filesystem is mounted with -o tag, and you still can't mount the NFS share? 1223634016 M * Punkie yes 1223634505 M * blathijs daniel_hozac: Creating a new guest does in fact create the /dev/fd link, so I'm not sure what went wrong there 1223634529 M * blathijs daniel_hozac: And I'll just ignore the vclone error, thanks for the pointers! 1223634854 Q * Bruno Quit: Leaving 1223635028 Q * Punkie Quit: ...mizim... 1223635301 J * balbir` ~balbir@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1223635702 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223636497 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat 1223637910 M * jsullivan Good morning, all. Sorry I disappeared just as help arrived! It was 2:30 my time and I needed to finally rest my brain! 1223637924 M * jsullivan I had a problem with vhashify. 1223637934 M * jsullivan I repost this problem and then reply to the questions. 1223637945 M * jsullivan I set up a host and two guests. 1223637955 M * jsullivan With the guests running, I ran vserver hashify. 1223637962 M * jsullivan The second guest (cloned from the first one) generated this error: 1223637966 M * jsullivan vcontext: execvp("rpm"): No such file or directory 1223637973 M * jsullivan Neither of the guests has rpm. 1223637979 M * jsullivan What is it looking or and how do I fix it? 1223637997 M * jsullivan I created the first guest using yum ad centos5 as the distribution. 1223638023 M * jsullivan I started it to test and all looked fine. I then shut it down. 1223638063 M * jsullivan I next ran the pretty straightforward clone command although I initially used a single dash for --source. 1223638072 M * jsullivan After correcting that, it appear to work as advertised. 1223638096 M * jsullivan I started vtest1 (the first one) . . . 1223638117 M * jsullivan and then vtest2 (the clone) but received an RNETLINK error as I foolishly used the same IP address. 1223638140 M * jsullivan I brought them both down and edited the interface/ip file to correct the IP address. 1223638163 M * jsullivan While they were down, I made the various vunify directories and links. 1223638177 M * jsullivan I brought them both up and proceeded as described earlier. 1223638180 M * daniel_hozac sounds like you're using externalized package management. 1223638181 M * jsullivan What am I doing wrong? 1223638183 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223638186 M * daniel_hozac clone doesn't handle that (yet). 1223638201 M * jsullivan I thought it was internalized by default? 1223638210 M * jsullivan I intentionally did not want to externalize. 1223638218 M * jsullivan Do I need to explicitly internalize? 1223638221 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1223638227 M * jsullivan Ah - thanks very much. 1223638247 M * jsullivan While I do have you, do you have a moment to answer another questions about using unification? 1223638269 M * daniel_hozac don't ask to ask, just ask. 1223638271 M * jsullivan question 1223638274 M * jsullivan Thanks. 1223638318 M * jsullivan We normally use Xen but decided to investing OpenVZ (which led us to vserver) for runing very large deployments of NX or X2G0. 1223638334 M * jsullivan We needed to separate users by IP address. 1223638348 M * jsullivan VServer seemed to offer a much better resource utilization model for this purpose. 1223638356 M * jsullivan Unification made that even better. 1223638367 M * jsullivan However, the real attraction of unification for us . . . . 1223638374 M * jsullivan (which may be a misperception) . . . . 1223638379 M * jsullivan was maintenance. 1223638407 M * jsullivan Since the different guests are almost identical in everything by users and IP address . .. . 1223638423 M * jsullivan we did not want to have to update 10 systems when we could update one. 1223638429 M * jsullivan As I read more about unification . . . 1223638435 M * jsullivan it appears it does not help us there . . . 1223638443 M * jsullivan we need to update all 10 and then reunify. 1223638451 M * jsullivan Do I understand correctly . . . 1223638465 M * jsullivan and is there a way to achieve what we desire, i.e. update once for all contexts? 1223638486 M * jsullivan sorry everything but users and IP addresses. 1223638493 M * daniel_hozac bind mounts. 1223638521 M * jsullivan Is that the document I saw on allowing contexts to share the same file system? 1223638999 M * jsullivan Thanks very, much, daniel. I'm looking forward to diving into this product. 1223639001 M * jsullivan Good bye. 1223639037 Q * jsullivan Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1223641235 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org 1223641664 Q * pisco Quit: leaving 1223641986 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1223642101 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.75.223 1223642390 Q * docelic_ Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1223642463 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.31.cust.blixtvik.net 1223645050 J * yarihm ~yarihm@hg-public-dock-76-dhcp.ethz.ch 1223645237 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223645407 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1223646680 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1223646954 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@67.170.155.50 1223649406 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1223649409 M * Bertl back now ... 1223649425 M * Bertl (still in dublin though :) 1223651182 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1223651911 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223652414 J * larsivi ~larsivi@9.80-202-30.nextgentel.com 1223654835 Q * nenolod Quit: Leaving 1223655198 A * harry made a new grsec+vserver patch 1223655214 M * harry 2.6.26.6, grsec testpatch updated to latest pax stuff and 2.3.0.35.6 patch 1223655225 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1223655228 M * harry didn't test it yet because of lack of time 1223655242 M * harry but nathaniel copa (or so ;)) has it ;) 1223655255 M * harry on request, i'll forward it to you 1223655349 M * Bertl excellent :) 1223655496 M * harry :) 1223655514 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl 1223655517 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1223655520 M * harry i hope it's a bit good, normally it is, but you never know 1223655522 M * harry have fun, Bertl_oO 1223657205 J * nenolod ~nenolod@ip70-189-74-62.ok.ok.cox.net 1223657215 J * jsullivan ~jsullivan@cpe-76-178-208-188.maine.res.rr.com 1223657421 M * jsullivan Hello, all. 1223657436 M * jsullivan I'm feeling really stupid - must be too little sleep! 1223657453 M * jsullivan I have scoured the docs and google so I must be missing something really simple. 1223657462 M * jsullivan I cannot log into the guests via ssh . . . 1223657478 M * jsullivan I have set the ListenAddress in the vserver host sshd_config file. 1223657486 M * jsullivan I have installed openssh-server in the guests. 1223657498 M * jsullivan Restarted them all, even reboote a couple of times. 1223657511 M * jsullivan When I try to login as root (root login is enabled) . . . 1223657513 Q * mtg Quit: Verlassend 1223657517 M * jsullivan it does not accept the password. 1223657530 M * jsullivan I assumed it was the password of the host by default. 1223657535 M * fb jsullivan: did you set some password? 1223657565 M * jsullivan No, that's why I thought it would default. 1223657568 M * jsullivan However , . . 1223657578 M * daniel_hozac enter the guest, pwconv; passwd 1223657578 M * fb jsullivan: i'm not sure, but iirc the password is disabled by defauly 1223657581 M * jsullivan then I thought it must use some random password and needed to be reset . . . 1223657591 M * daniel_hozac there is no default password. 1223657598 M * daniel_hozac at all. 1223657598 M * jsullivan So I entered the guest from the host and typed passwd . . 1223657604 M * jsullivan only to find it was not installed so I installed it. 1223657608 M * daniel_hozac whatever your guest's distribution ships as /etc/passwd will be what's set. 1223657621 M * jsullivan Then it complained about the context. 1223657642 M * daniel_hozac huh? 1223657652 M * jsullivan Hmm . . . in a normal installation, e.g., on Xen or plain, the root password is set as part of the installation. 1223657663 M * jsullivan When doing a -m yum --d centos5 . . 1223657670 M * jsullivan where does the guest root password come from? 1223657690 M * daniel_hozac then there won't be any. 1223657712 M * jsullivan ouch - I tried an empty password and that did not work either. 1223657715 M * daniel_hozac i.e. it'll be disabled. 1223657719 M * jsullivan Here is the passwd error: 1223657725 M * jsullivan passwd: root:system_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 is not authorized to change the password of root 1223657747 M * jsullivan That's what I thought was going on. thanks. 1223657754 M * jsullivan Now how do I set it? 1223657765 M * daniel_hozac disable SELinux. 1223657769 M * jsullivan Hmm . . .could it be locked? 1223657775 M * jsullivan I'll try passwd -u 1223657796 M * jsullivan I did in the host and assumed it would be done in the guests. 1223657802 M * jsullivan I gather that is not the case by default? 1223657814 M * daniel_hozac it is, but SELinux is quite obviously still active. 1223657846 M * daniel_hozac you have to reboot after setting SELINUX=disabled. 1223657859 Q * lilalinux Quit: Leaving 1223657917 M * jsullivan Thanks - I don't remember the configuration file off the top of my head; I'll go look it up and let you know how I fared. 1223657946 M * ktwilight__ check grep SELINUX /boot/config-`uname -r` 1223657952 M * jsullivan I have to confess, I was hoping I could re-enable SELinux in the guests as I feel a little exposed without it. 1223657989 M * daniel_hozac so you know how to configure it? 1223658097 M * jsullivan Not well but a bit. 1223658104 M * jsullivan Hmm . . .even stranger . . . 1223658128 M * jsullivan What through me off was I was expecting to find an etc/selinux directory - at least that's where I thought the configuration lived . . 1223658132 M * jsullivan but it's not there in the guest. 1223658143 M * jsullivan Moreover, I did setenforce=0 . . . 1223658147 M * jsullivan and still get: 1223658153 M * daniel_hozac one kernel -> one policy. 1223658175 M * jsullivan passwd: root:system_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 is not authorized to change the password of root 1223658182 M * jsullivan Ah - got it. 1223658187 M * daniel_hozac yes, as i said, you have to disable it completely. 1223658214 M * daniel_hozac or, fix the policy to take guests into account, and label all those files. 1223658245 M * jsullivan OK - I checked my host config and it is permissive (as I set it). 1223658251 M * daniel_hozac permissive won't cut it. 1223658251 M * jsullivan Are we saying even permissive is a problem? 1223658262 M * daniel_hozac you either disable it, or fix the policy. 1223658264 M * jsullivan (I was hoping to trace what was necessary by the logs) 1223658267 M * jsullivan OK 1223658340 M * jsullivan Ouch! rebooting now. 1223658354 M * jsullivan That's something I was hoping to document for the vserver project ( 1223658497 M * jsullivan Argh!!! passwd: Authentication token manipulation error 1223658513 M * jsullivan I suppose I can destroy all the guests and rebuild them now the SELinux is fully disabled. 1223658520 M * jsullivan Is that what is going on here? 1223658554 M * daniel_hozac did you run pwconv? 1223658593 Q * nenolod Read error: Connection reset by peer 1223658599 M * jsullivan Hmm . . from /var/log/secure: 1223658602 M * jsullivan passwd: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): user "root" does not have modifiable password 1223658644 M * jsullivan Pardon my ignorance, I didn't read anything about pwconv in the docs (but I might have brain cramped) . . 1223658647 M * jsullivan what is it? 1223658665 M * daniel_hozac see man pwconv 1223658713 M * jsullivan yes, that's what I was reading. 1223658718 M * jsullivan I've never needed to us it before. 1223658740 M * jsullivan I'll go ahead and do that but (just so I understand) why do I need to do that now . . 1223658746 M * jsullivan when I've never needed it before? 1223658754 M * daniel_hozac have you ever built a chroot before? 1223658762 M * jsullivan No. 1223658808 M * jsullivan So am I correct to assume I run this on the guest and not the host? 1223658833 M * daniel_hozac the guest is where you're having problems, no? 1223658859 M * jsullivan Yes, just wanted to be sure in case there was some strange connection I did not understand. 1223658898 M * jsullivan That worked. 1223658906 M * jsullivan Should that be standard procedure for all guests . . 1223658916 M * jsullivan or is it because I had not fully disabled selinux earlier? 1223659054 M * daniel_hozac you'll need to do that on all guests requiring password logins. 1223659222 M * jsullivan OK - we'll make that part of our procedures. 1223659728 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.108.221 1223659805 M * jsullivan Daniel, I also ran into the PAM issues with sshd and . . . 1223659816 M * jsullivan and have corrected it with your helpful FAQ. 1223659818 M * jsullivan However . . . 1223659833 M * jsullivan does this create a problem if we want to use LDAP authentication with the guests? 1223660200 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1223661360 M * daniel_hozac what issue? 1223661403 J * nenolod ~nenolod@ip70-189-74-62.ok.ok.cox.net 1223661896 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3 1223662291 J * sardyno_ ~me@pool-96-235-18-120.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net 1223662404 Q * sardyno Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223662428 M * jsullivan Sorry, I wasn't watching. 1223662440 M * jsullivan The issue where the connection is automatically closed when trying to ssh. 1223662463 M * daniel_hozac uh, pam_loginuid? 1223662524 M * jsullivan pam authentication (also used with openssh) enables "pam_loginuid.so" in the /etc/pam.d/* files. 1223662527 M * jsullivan yes 1223663647 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.75.215 1223663827 J * sardyno ~me@pool-96-235-18-120.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net 1223663933 Q * sardyno_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223664071 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223664942 Q * sid3windr Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223665383 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1223666784 Q * weasel Remote host closed the connection 1223666794 J * weasel ~weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net 1223667442 N * C14r_ C14r 1223667989 Q * dowdle Quit: Konversation terminated! 1223668122 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1223668908 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223669013 J * _brent_ ~brent@jive.fttp.xmission.com 1223669312 Q * BuGless Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223669530 M * daniel_hozac jsullivan: pam_loginuid is an audit thing, it has nothing to do with LDAP. 1223670175 Q * _brent_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223670649 J * _brent_ ~brent@jive.fttp.xmission.com 1223670799 M * jsullivan Thank you very much for you help today. 1223670802 M * jsullivan Goodbye. 1223670811 Q * jsullivan Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1223671633 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1223672865 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-28-181.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1223673229 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1223674021 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1223674297 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1223674388 J * larsivi ~larsivi@9.80-202-30.nextgentel.com 1223674877 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1223675685 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1223676116 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1223676694 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.202.188 1223678004 J * almak ~almak@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com 1223678493 P * _brent_ 1223678533 Q * rooijan Remote host closed the connection 1223678596 J * rooijan ~rrosso@cuba.sonosite.com 1223681579 Q * hparker Quit: Quit 1223681942 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1223682229 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1223682755 M * almak hi