1221007530 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.70.130 1221008016 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221009016 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221010775 Q * ViRUS_ Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison) 1221011885 Q * quinq Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221013533 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@12.168.55.2 1221013558 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221013578 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1221013584 F * Bertl -o Bertl 1221013589 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1221016829 Q * _gh_ Quit: Client exiting 1221017870 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221021059 J * laptopnenolod ~nenolod@pool-71-241-220-223.ptldme.east.verizon.net 1221023206 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.74.43 1221023602 Q * laptopnenolod Quit: this sh scripting is the language of the future 1221023804 J * laptopnenolod ~nenolod@pool-71-241-220-223.ptldme.east.verizon.net 1221024483 J * sharkjaw ~gab@216-241-9.231210.adsl.tele2.no 1221025876 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180212076.adsl.alicedsl.de 1221026268 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Operation timed out 1221027750 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1221027868 J * dna ~dna@96-204-dsl.kielnet.net 1221031000 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann 1221031030 Q * hparker Quit: g'nite 1221031403 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1221033004 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221033262 Q * ag- Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221033298 J * ag- ~ag@fedaykin.roxor.cx 1221035096 J * yarihm ~yarihm@guest-docking-nat-1-078.ethz.ch 1221035506 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.72.222 1221035632 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1221035637 M * Bertl morning folks! 1221035644 M * phedny morning Bertl 1221035997 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221037785 J * nas ~chatzilla@opengw.lga.net.sg 1221037800 M * nas guys 1221037845 M * nas what is the difference between having the interface of the vserver appear/not appear in the host ifconfig 1221037972 M * nas coz normally if you do ifconfig to host, u normally just see it's own interface and not the interfaces of the vserver guests inside it 1221038010 M * nas so if i see something like eth0: in host ifconfig, what does it mean? 1221038177 M * Bertl first, ifconfig is _very_ old, so it doesn't see everything ... try 'ip addr ls' instead 1221038232 M * Bertl second, the ip description looks like this: =:/ 1221038248 M * Bertl and the various elements control _what_ util-vserver will do 1221038308 M * Bertl the part, if specified, will create an alias : on the host, while the will tell util-vserver if that ip should be added/removed on guest startup/shutdown 1221038914 M * nas normally what is the desirable file system type for vservers? is it reiserfs? 1221038937 M * Bertl ext2/3, but jfs, reiserfs, xfs and a bunch of others are supported 1221038983 J * jordi ~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1221038984 M * jordi hey 1221038989 M * Bertl welcome jordi! 1221039009 M * jordi I just moved a vserver from one host to another, and I'm seeing this now: 1221039011 M * jordi The kernel does not have dynamic contexts enabled. Please configure 1221039011 M * jordi a static one by executing 1221039015 M * jordi echo [number between 2 and 49151] > /etc/vservers/aitmp/context 1221039021 M * jordi I hadn't seen this before 1221039028 M * jordi another vserver in the same box is running alright 1221039034 M * jordi and was moved exactly like that 1221039041 M * Bertl well, you _should_ have switched to static contexts a few years ago :) 1221039057 A * jordi notices the other vserver is lenny based and does have a context :) 1221039059 M * jordi good :) 1221039067 M * Bertl but luckily, you can simply do what is suggested 1221039072 A * jordi crawls under his rock again. :) 1221039091 M * nas bertl: nfs is not supported? 1221039110 M * nas coz i'd like to mount a partition from a vserver to another vserver 1221039110 M * Bertl nfs is supported, but requires a Linux-VServer aware server 1221039159 M * nas can i mount a vserver folder to another vserver folder? 1221039167 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1221039175 M * Bertl from host to host, yes 1221039214 M * nas my pvs is of reiserfs type 1221039240 M * nas when i create a vserver what is the filesystem of the vserver? 1221039256 M * nas is it also reiserfs? 1221039257 M * Bertl the filesystem you put the guest on 1221039266 M * nas ok 1221039307 M * nas so that means if i use lvm for that partition where i put the guest, lvm is the file system of the guest 1221039321 M * Bertl lvm is no filesystem :) 1221039335 M * nas what is it? 1221039344 M * mnemoc *cough* 1221039353 M * nas lvm, ext3 they're file system right? 1221039355 M * Bertl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lvm 1221039358 M * fb nas: additional layer between real device(s) and filesystem 1221039372 M * fb hello Bertl 1221039382 M * nas so ok it is reiserfs 1221039417 M * nas then again, going back to my question, if it is reiserfs, can i mount it from vserver to vserver? 1221039445 M * nas or is nfs a must for mounting from server to server? 1221039489 M * Bertl nfs works ontop of existing filesystems (the server part) 1221039523 M * fb nas: with two vservers on the same host you don't want nfs 1221039550 M * fb nas: look at the bind option to mount 1221039746 M * nas so i can do this just fine? 172.16.0.210:/storage/home /vservers/myvserver/home reiserfs rw,soft,timeo=5,nolock,auto 1 1221039757 M * nas reiserfs instead of nfs? 1221040078 J * loddafni1 ~mike@chello080108111137.5.11.univie.teleweb.at 1221040252 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.196.cust.blixtvik.net 1221040357 M * nas oh ok, so i can actually install a debian nfs server and nfs client in a vserver 1221040376 M * Bertl as long as it is userspace based, yes 1221040463 M * fb Bertl: nfs mount on the host, and then bind mount inside vserver should work too, right? 1221040499 M * Bertl a lot of things work, including nfs mounting into the guest namespace at startup 1221040538 M * fb Bertl: i wonder which one would be most efficient :) 1221040644 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1221040698 J * yarihm ~yarihm@guest-docking-nat-1-078.ethz.ch 1221040946 M * Bertl hansi 1221040955 M * Bertl *sorry* wrong term 1221041767 J * aerials ~aerials@124.195.17.141 1221041818 M * Bertl welcome aerials! 1221041855 Q * aerials 1221041992 M * fb Bertl: you scared him! 1221041996 M * fb ;) 1221042498 M * Bertl probably :) 1221043741 J * quinq ~quinq@quinq.eu.org 1221044667 J * cga ~weechat@host-84-221-254-115.cust-adsl.tiscali.it 1221044682 M * cga hi all 1221044706 M * cga i don't have vserver-build (neither the program not the man) on debian. is this correct??? 1221044713 M * cga s/not/nor 1221044925 M * cga s/program/package 1221044938 Q * FireEgl Quit: Leaving... 1221044953 M * Bertl do you have 'vserver' ? 1221044966 M * Bertl (as command) 1221044996 M * cga yes, i'm asking because when i read the man vserver it tells me to read vserver-build for options but it's not there 1221045014 M * cga anyway it's just out of curiosity, i found the man online 1221045017 M * Bertl forget that, the man pages are outdated 1221045021 M * cga oh ok 1221045028 M * Bertl check 'vserver - build --help' 1221045032 M * cga thanks 1221045039 M * Bertl (or vserver --help for the main help) 1221045071 M * cga ok i'll do that 1221045083 M * nas how to make pc remember eth0:0 even after reboot without having to put it in /etc/network/interfaces? 1221045090 M * Bertl cga: feel free to hang around and ask questions ... 1221045116 M * cga Bertl: i'll do =) 1221045121 M * Bertl nas: for the host, your distro's config files are the place 1221045182 M * nas i found a server, eth0:0 is not in config file, but then it is in ifconfig 1221045212 M * nas is it cleaner to put it in config file rather than use ip address add? 1221045217 M * cga nas: dummy are to be configured in /etc/network/interfaces 1221045231 M * cga as static 1221045295 M * nas ok 1221045301 M * nas thanks 1221045304 M * cga np 1221046262 M * cga mmmm 1221046272 M * cga vserver delete $server doesn't work 1221046284 M * cga what am i doing wrong? 1221046302 M * cga ok found 1221046341 M * cga bad syntax =) 1221046354 Q * virtuoso Remote host closed the connection 1221046674 M * ghislainocfs2 hello 1221046804 M * Bertl hey 1221046834 M * Bertl nap attack ... bbl 1221046840 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1221047756 M * cga Bertl_zZ: are you still here? 1221047795 M * cga anyone: is the rootdir the dir where the vserver is created? 1221047823 M * quinq yes 1221047845 M * quinq well, it is the directiry in which the vserver directory is created 1221047849 M * quinq *directory 1221047883 M * cga cool thanks 1221047968 M * cga quinq: one last question: i don't understand what context is for. can you briefly explain or give me a link? 1221048025 M * quinq that's an ID which defines a ressource context 1221048032 M * quinq memory, processes, etc 1221048037 M * cga must it be different for all vserver 1221048039 M * cga ? 1221048041 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1221048043 M * quinq should be unique 1221048047 M * daniel_hozac otherwise they're the same guest. 1221048058 M * daniel_hozac (as far as the kernel is concerned) 1221048061 M * cga what if i don't use it? it will be automatically assigned? 1221048064 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1221048068 M * cga cool 1221048072 M * cga thanks folks 1221048099 M * quinq :) 1221048106 M * cga creating the vserver =) 1221048146 J * dna_ ~dna@151-208-dsl.kielnet.net 1221048297 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1221048503 Q * jsambrook Quit: Leaving. 1221048568 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221048774 M * cga quinq: what's the difference between rootdit and vsroot ???? i'm in doubt on which to use. 1221048781 M * cga can't find any doc 1221048814 M * daniel_hozac well, vsroot doesn't exist :-) 1221048824 M * quinq ^^ 1221048919 M * cga lol 1221048936 M * quinq humm cga, vsroot is rootdir for debian utility 1221048958 M * cga ah ok 1221048961 M * cga cool 1221048988 M * cga in fact i'm using debian 1221049007 M * daniel_hozac don't use newvserver. 1221049037 M * cga nope 1221049039 M * quinq why not, daniel_hozac ? 1221049065 M * ghislainocfs2 because it was new but now is outdated i beleive 1221049069 M * cga here's my summoned command: vserver ftp build --rootdir /vserver/ftp -m debootstrap --hostname ftp.localhost --interface eth0:192.168.1.17/24 -- -d etch -m http://debian.fastweb.it/debian 1221049090 M * quinq huhu ok 1221049104 M * quinq I used it, worked fine, but I won't for next creation 1221049154 M * quinq don't you mean --rootdir /vserver/ ? 1221049188 M * daniel_hozac normally you'd use /vservers... 1221049256 M * fb and /var/lib/vservers is default in debian 1221049524 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221049989 Q * quinq Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221050353 J * pisco_ ~pisco@tor.noreply.org 1221050564 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@87.66.205.195 1221050588 M * ghislainocfs2 hum appart from the scheduler everything is ready in the 2.3 serie ? 1221050668 M * daniel_hozac plain init has issues. 1221051647 M * ghislainocfs2 ok, but we can use another init style in debian ? 1221051673 M * ghislainocfs2 i think plain is needed for gentoo 1221051701 M * daniel_hozac gentoo guests can use the gentoo initstyle. 1221051718 M * ghislainocfs2 we use debian in 99.99999% here 1221051726 M * ghislainocfs2 i allways let the default way 1221051743 M * ghislainocfs2 never even bothered to look at what init style i use lol 1221051923 M * ghislainocfs2 i need the scheduler but i think bertl is working on it so i can live without it for a little while :) 1221052056 Q * nas Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008061015] 1221052411 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection 1221052602 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1221052896 Q * esa Remote host closed the connection 1221052919 J * esa bip@62.123.8.201 1221053442 J * quinq ~quinq@quinq.eu.org 1221053562 Q * esa Remote host closed the connection 1221053578 J * esa bip@62.123.8.201 1221054051 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.67.54 1221054238 J * esa` bip@62.123.8.23 1221054248 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221054491 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1221054733 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1221055984 Q * jordi Read error: Connection reset by peer 1221056017 J * jordi ~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1221056705 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3 1221056929 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1221057167 M * cga is it possible that after a fresh vserver -d etch install if i issue nestat -tuna | grep -i listen i get nothing listening??? neither netstat -l list nothing ?_? 1221057246 M * quinq on the host or on this guest ? 1221057251 M * cga guest 1221057266 M * cga the host has been cleaned by me 1221057290 M * cga other guests i created about a month ago had many listening services 1221057295 M * quinq is there a network application running on this guest ? 1221057296 M * cga and i cleaned that manually 1221057314 M * cga quinq: not apparently 1221057323 M * quinq so what is the problem ? 1221057337 M * quinq no port opened if no network application is running 1221057338 M * cga but it's strange, the other vservers *had* services listening by default 1221057366 M * cga that's what i'm trying to achieve ;) it only suprises me that there's nothign by default 1221057390 M * cga when in the past there were services by default 1221057393 M * cga ie: dhcp 1221057399 M * quinq no 1221057407 M * quinq dhcp isn't a debian default application 1221057412 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1221057420 M * Bertl back now ... 1221057437 M * PowerKe cga: maybe you didn't run the init cleanup scripts in the past? Created with the wrong style maybe? 1221057450 M * cga maybe 1221057465 M * cga i don't even know what these scriopts are XD 1221057512 M * PowerKe cga: /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions//initpost 1221057528 M * cga gonna lurk 1221057530 M * cga thanks 1221057569 M * PowerKe Vserver build automatically runs the correct one after you create a guest, maybe you didn't specify the distribution then 1221057604 M * PowerKe To run afterwards, execute: /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions//initpost /etc/vservers/ /usr/lib/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars 1221057607 M * cga mmm etch is not in ther 1221057610 M * cga *e 1221057611 M * Bertl cga: besides dhcp would be a bad choice for a guest :) 1221057617 M * cga obviously 1221057632 M * Bertl but IIRC, syslog is activated by default 1221057664 M * cga PowerKe: etch isn't in that path 1221057690 M * Bertl make sure you have recent enough util-vserver 1221057715 M * PowerKe sid and lenny both point to debian, maybe you can use just debian? 1221057782 M * blathijs I have an etch -> debian symlink IIRC 1221057796 M * cga PowerKe: neither debian is in there. 1221057810 M * cga root@gwyneth:~# ls /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/ 1221057812 M * cga centos4/ defaults/ fc1/ fc2/ fc3/ fc4/ fc5/ fc6/ gentoo/ redhat/ rh9/ suse91/ template/ 1221057819 M * PowerKe cga: That's starting to sound strange :) 1221057833 M * PowerKe what's your vserver utils version? 1221057835 M * cga darn 1221057837 M * blathijs And AFAIK, the initpost script disables all rc scripts except for syslog (there are a few others that are not disabled, but a clean etch/lenny debootstrap doesn't seem to have those) 1221057938 M * cga root@gwyneth:~# dpkg -l | grep util-vserver 1221057939 M * cga ii util-vserver 0.30.212-1 user-space tools for Linux-VServer virtual p 1221058008 M * PowerKe That's rather old 1221058035 M * Bertl cga: update to backports 0.30.216~r2772 or so 1221058039 M * cga PowerKe: i'm running a debian etch host on a sparc ultra 5 with etch guests 1221058083 M * quinq switch to lenny :) 1221058106 M * cga gah 1221059053 J * dna__ ~dna@103-247-dsl.kielnet.net 1221059168 M * ghislainocfs2 bertl: i have a quick question about 2.3, the hard scheduler is not ready so are the processes completly left unchallenged right now (so one guest can take over the box) or is there still a little balancing somehow ? 1221059221 M * ghislainocfs2 is the cpuset system working for exemple ? that could do it :) 1221059235 M * Bertl yep, and mainline also provides the cgroup scheduler stuff 1221059265 M * Bertl so in theory you should be able to get fair scheduling as long as it is work preserving 1221059273 M * Bertl (can't do hard limits yet though) 1221059477 Q * dna_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221060086 M * daniel_hozac yes, enabling the cgroup scheduler should work with recent utils. 1221060124 M * daniel_hozac (after a mkdir /etc/vservers/.defaults/cgroup) 1221061308 Q * xdr Read error: Connection reset by peer 1221061450 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.196.cust.blixtvik.net 1221061984 Q * ghislainocfs2 Quit: Leaving. 1221062459 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1221062493 M * ghislainocfs2 sorry my irc client crashed 1221062533 M * ghislainocfs2 i stopped at creating the cgroup directory. Ok i will look into this then :) 1221062543 M * ghislainocfs2 thanks both of you 1221062550 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1221062846 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1221065029 J * blues_ blues@afa241.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 1221065150 Q * blues Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221065364 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1221065793 M * ghislainocfs2 humm reading the cgroup, so fair schedulign with cgroup support....hum great work ! it will do until hard schedule comes :) 1221065796 M * ghislainocfs2 wonderfull job 1221066129 M * Bertl excellent! 1221066259 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do you have an up-to-date version of the pid space patches? 1221066306 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I plan to 'promote' the vs2.3.0.35 to vs2.3.1 (devel) and start with a vs2.3.1.x experimental branch including those changes 1221066367 M * daniel_hozac let me refresh those... 1221066382 M * Bertl take your time 1221066427 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.26.3-vs2.3.0.35.5 okay? 1221066542 M * daniel_hozac or does 2.6.26.5 change stuff? 1221066627 M * hparker minor revision bump == major changes anymore :P 1221066718 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: 2.6.26.3 should be fine, although we had a reject on 2.6.26.5 1221066774 M * daniel_hozac okay, i'll just do 2.6.26.5 then. 1221067674 Q * xdr Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221067932 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1221068417 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@81.9.35.135 1221070079 Q * nkukard Read error: Connection reset by peer 1221070097 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1221070665 J * balbir_ ~balbir@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1221070849 Q * balbir_ 1221070866 J * balbir_ ~balbir@bi01p2.co.us.ibm.com 1221071767 Q * emag Read error: Connection reset by peer 1221071769 J * emag D6WF5XtK3j@gurski.org 1221072468 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1221072661 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1221073188 Q * duckx Quit: Client exiting 1221073618 Q * yang Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221073623 J * larsivi ~larsivi@169.80-202-217.nextgentel.com 1221074023 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1221074075 Q * opuk Quit: leaving 1221074607 Q * esa` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221074818 Q * dna__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221075356 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.223.cust.blixtvik.net 1221075395 J * opuk ~kupo@c83-251-254-12.bredband.comhem.se 1221075421 Q * opuk 1221075513 J * cryptronic ~oli@p4FD2C66E.dip.t-dialin.net 1221075703 J * opuk ~kupo@c83-251-254-12.bredband.comhem.se 1221076103 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1221076169 J * dna__ ~dna@103-247-dsl.kielnet.net 1221076762 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1221076817 J * esa bip@62.123.8.201 1221076958 J * cryptronic ~oli@p4FD2C66E.dip.t-dialin.net 1221077978 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-vspid-revert03.diff http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-pidspace-feat06.diff http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-pidns-fix04.diff 1221078036 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: it's got bugs though, e.g. vserver ... stop hangs for no apparent reason (most likely something gets upset because the process's pid changed). 1221078073 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: i'm not sure how to handle that... 1221078361 M * Bertl okay, no problem, will integrate it and see if I find something 1221078384 M * Bertl with a maintained devel branch we can experiment on that :) 1221078418 M * Bertl apropos experimenting, is the/a princeton machine available for that? 1221078449 M * daniel_hozac oh, i completely forgot about that. i'm sorry. 1221078479 M * Bertl I guess the princeton folks did so too :) 1221078911 Q * dna__ Quit: Verlassend 1221079178 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@185.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1221079305 Q * Mojo1978 Remote host closed the connection 1221079305 Q * daniel_hozac Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221079384 Q * xdr Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221079398 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221079615 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1221079635 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1221079995 Q * balbir_ Remote host closed the connection 1221080601 J * balbir_ ~balbir@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1221080798 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1221080814 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-124-125.lns4.bne4.internode.on.net 1221081045 J * cryptronic ~oli@p4FD2C66E.dip.t-dialin.net 1221081061 J * xdr ~xdr@108-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se 1221081162 Q * esa Remote host closed the connection 1221081225 J * esa bip@62.123.8.201 1221082534 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1221082693 J * cryptronic ~oli@p4FD2C66E.dip.t-dialin.net 1221083067 J * edlinuxguru ~edlinuxgu@216.223.13.201 1221083222 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@ssh.hozac.com 1221083424 Q * daniel_hozac 1221083444 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@ssh.hozac.com 1221083505 Q * edlinuxguru 1221083575 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1221083865 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180212076.adsl.alicedsl.de 1221084069 J * doener_ ~doener@i577BBDC3.versanet.de 1221084169 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1221085036 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1221085041 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1221085823 Q * loddafni1 Remote host closed the connection 1221089082 J * BrunoXLambert ~Bruno@dsl-236-124-118.b2b2c.ca 1221089909 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1221091123 Q * BrunoXLambert Quit: Leaving