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1218159876 M * Bertl Guest742: please fix your client, if you are still alive ... otherwise we are going to ban you permanently
1218159888 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1218159917 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1218162318 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net
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1218182215 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
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1218184274 M * blathijs Bluh, turns out the clone/rsync methods were already documented
1218184281 M * blathijs I just didn't see the right heading :-)_
1218184289 A * blathijs removes his changes again :-)
1218185118 J * quote ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1218185120 M * quote hi
1218185124 M * quote Bertl_zZ =
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1218185335 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-151-1-16-219.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr
1218185350 N * Genghis Guest788
1218185510 M * geb hi
1218186896 J * blizz ~stephan@e181117240.adsl.alicedsl.de
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1218190089 J * SlacKLnX ~Lee@bl7-129-159.dsl.telepac.pt
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1218192712 J * Genghis- ~Genghis@got.debian-inside.com
1218193402 J * dna ~dna@21-233-dsl.kielnet.net
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1218196138 J * x_ ~x@80-123-37-99.adsl.highway.telekom.at
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1218196330 N * Genghis Guest798
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1218197072 J * xdr ~xdr@7-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se
1218197962 J * _Keks_ ~keks@80.64.184.134
1218197969 M * _Keks_ hi
1218199955 N * Guest798 Genghis
1218199990 N * Genghis Guest801
1218200219 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1218200226 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1218201642 M * morrigan bertl: if i clone a guest, why doesn't it take sysctl and fstab from the "parent"? wouldn't that make sense or am i missing something here?
1218201723 M * daniel_hozac the clone build method doesn't do anything to the configuration.
1218201756 M * morrigan yes, i've seen that. i was just wondering whether there is a reason that it doesn't.
1218201764 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.246.133
1218201798 M * daniel_hozac primarily, there's no good way to deal with the configuration programmatically yet.
1218201814 M * morrigan i would assume that if you want a "copy" of a guest, you'd want it to be like the original in these regards as well
1218201838 M * morrigan okay, so that's a reason :)
1218201886 M * daniel_hozac however, there are some entries that you wouldn't want cloned anyway.
1218201896 J * __gh__ ~gerrit@67.170.155.50
1218201897 M * daniel_hozac such as the context file.
1218201912 M * morrigan do you mean the context number?
1218201937 M * daniel_hozac ... which is in the context file, yes. :)
1218201953 M * Bertl hmm .. well, would make sense for the rsync target :)
1218201991 M * morrigan mhm..well since I gave that one as an option, i didn't think of that.
1218202019 M * Bertl anyway, I think it might be a good idea to have a copy like option to do that, and to be able to override stuff with command line arguments ... (just an idea)
1218202039 M * Bertl (would be similar to the 'reconfigure' command)
1218202191 M * morrigan i would think so too but of course i'm biased because i'm lazy :)
1218202212 M * Bertl well, patches are always welcome, right daniel_hozac?
1218202249 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1218202430 M * daniel_hozac sure...
1218202554 M * harry_ Bertl: also backdooring patches? ;)
1218202559 M * harry_ cus i can make some ;
1218202560 M * harry_ ;)
1218202615 M * Bertl of course, all of them are welcome, not that we are going to apply them :)
1218202622 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.246.133
1218202629 M * harry_ hehe
1218203193 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: note: the change in the init scripts (with the -L) seems to originate from Fedora, so you might want to contact folks there too
1218203214 M * Bertl (at least that is what I got from mandriva-cooker)
1218203229 M * daniel_hozac i tried.
1218203240 M * daniel_hozac filing a bug properly is on my TODO.
1218203433 M * morrigan mhm...that's gotta be a record, though - 5 mins on the mandriva cooker channel discussing WHY this is a problem and i'm cured again of saying anything there again...at least for a while *headdesk*
1218203490 M * Bertl well, agreeing that something is bad/wrong, always causes work .. 
1218203615 N * Guest801 Genghis
1218203651 N * Genghis Guest807
1218203817 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1218203827 M * Bertl for all folks here who would like to keep their guests (and other files) in the future, please contact http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BillNottingham and let him know that crawling links in /var/run and removing files (outside of /var/run) is not a good idea
1218203847 M * Bertl http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=initscripts.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8fbfde343e39337bcbddc33cab0bc30ee4fb0e3
1218204066 M * morrigan lol
1218204230 J * quote ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1218204236 M * quote Hi, Bertl here?
1218204319 M * Bertl yup
1218204800 M * morrigan bertl: w00t. so, oracle application server 10.1.2 runs in vserver. considering how much of a b**** it is to set up on any kind of system i'm surprised, frankly. :) now to see whether it clusters :) 
1218204974 M * Bertl keep us updated
1218205218 M * quote Bertl, i found another one who has the same problem i think, with those torrent trackers
1218205255 M * quote so when he's here, i'd be happy if we could continue
1218205288 M * Bertl sure, but I'll be off for some time in the near future (a few hours)
1218205307 M * quote for how long?
1218205333 M * Bertl as I said, a few hours
1218205353 M * quote oh, ok
1218205373 M * quote i belive he'll be here today in the evening or maybe even tomorow
1218205384 M * Bertl okay, that should be fine then
1218205396 M * quote great
1218205402 M * quote but now its a different machine
1218205420 M * quote i mean..another one
1218205426 M * quote same config i think
1218205481 M * quote lol, u realise what day is today
1218205485 M * quote 08.08.08
1218205497 M * Bertl well, last time we couldn't even reproduce the issue, so if this is doable this time, even better
1218206058 J * orzelf_ ~orzel@d048188.adsl.hansenet.de
1218206235 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1218206243 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1218206276 M * orzelf_ hello. It seems the latest kernel that vserver can be patched into is still 2.6.22.. is there any work on progress toward more recent kernels ?
1218206283 M * orzelf_ i can't find      the answer for that on the faq
1218206289 M * pmjdebruijn yes
1218206292 M * pmjdebruijn it's being worked on
1218206297 M * pmjdebruijn but it's experimental for now
1218206305 M * pmjdebruijn 2.6.22 is the last stable
1218206308 M * orzelf_ cool. is there any information somewhere ? a place to follow ?
1218206338 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/
1218206350 M * daniel_hozac same place as always
1218206401 M * orzelf_ i'm not used to this..
1218206403 M * orzelf_ thanks for the link
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1218207465 J * marcfiu_ ~marcfiu@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1218207473 N * marcfiu_ marcfiu
1218207600 M * blathijs Is there any particular reason why "the flower page" is not on the wiki?
1218207725 P * _Keks_ Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org
1218207908 M * geb maybe because it was difficult to keep the css in the wiki...
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1218209196 M * Bertl_oO blathijs: it is linked from the wiki, IIRC
1218209211 M * Bertl_oO blathijs: it is kind-of auto-generated
1218209839 M * daniel_hozac the source is in the utils.
1218210272 M * daniel_hozac patches accepted, as always.
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1218216449 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-87-78-52-253.netcologne.de
1218216775 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host248-177-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it
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1218217268 M * toya hi all
1218217901 A * ard upgraded to 0.30.216~r2750
1218217912 M * ard and now I get to keep the pieces :-(
1218218008 A * ard can't get to the running vservers anymore :-(
1218218255 N * Guest830 Genghis
1218218290 N * Genghis Guest839
1218218530 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@27.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1218218855 M * ard wtf
1218218859 M * ard -rw-rw-r--  1 ard staff 435396 2008-07-20 02:57 util-vserver_0.30.216~r2750.orig.tar.gz
1218218862 M * ard -rw-rw-r--  1 ard staff 520200 2008-08-08 19:27 util-vserver_0.30.216~r2750-3.diff.gz
1218219049 M * ard micah : something went wrong on packaging... :-)
1218219089 M * ard Although 216.orig.tar.gz is half the size of the 215....
1218219212 M * meebey http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
1218219219 M * meebey there we go, no vserver in debian anymore :(
1218219252 A * pmjdebruijn doesn'
1218219264 A * pmjdebruijn doesn't really care about the kernel, that's easily zelf built
1218219271 M * pmjdebruijn as long as the utils are supplied
1218219288 M * meebey its important for company deployments, think about security support
1218219289 A * ard agrees...
1218219304 M * meebey might have to migrate to xen or openvz, will see
1218219314 M * ard this company has an it department that does it's work ;-)
1218219330 M * meebey this company relies on the security support of debian
1218219384 M * ard well, I more or less believe in the security of the generic debian package management, but I believe so much more in my abality to compile new kernels ;-)
1218219425 M * ard (our local debian mirror was once needed to verify the contents of the original repository when the development servers were r00ted ;-) )
1218219482 M * ard only the new util-vserver 0.30.216 has another idea about the kernel than my kernel.... :-(
1218219499 A * ard means kernel vserver api
1218219565 A * ard assumes micah is trying the 2.6.26 kernels with the donotuse patches or so
1218219599 A * ard wonders if pmjdebruijn should not go home
1218219619 M * ard it's way past working hours ;-)
1218219642 A * pmjdebruijn is home
1218219687 A * ard still @work
1218220983 Q * fatgoose Read error: Connection reset by peer
1218221717 P * tudenbart bye..
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1218221951 N * Genghis Guest845
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1218223148 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@27.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1218224641 J * x__ ~x@80-123-28-198.adsl.highway.telekom.at
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1218225575 N * Guest845 Genghis
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1218225738 M * ensc daniel_hozac: did you reported the find -L issue already at RH bugzilla?
1218226003 J * larsivi ~larsivi@221.80-202-217.nextgentel.com
1218226076 M * Bertl_oO hey ensc! LTNS!
1218226093 M * ensc LTNS?
1218226116 M * Bertl_oO Long Time No See
1218226120 M * Bertl_oO can't hurt if you 'report' it too, might get it fixed sooner
1218226163 M * ensc gapping security hole... e.g. /var/run/some-hacked-daemon/foo -> /
1218226211 M * Bertl_oO yep, that's what I already suggested on the mandriva channel :)
1218226323 M * Bertl_oO ensc: how are you?
1218226367 M * ensc good; but much to do (which does not left much room for VServer :( )
1218227420 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1218227491 J * blizz ~stephan@16.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com
1218228596 J * Aiken ~Aiken@ppp118-208-125-138.lns4.bne4.internode.on.net
1218229235 N * Guest850 Genghis
1218229270 N * Genghis Guest854
1218230098 J * xdr ~xdr@234-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se
1218230488 M * nenolod micah, is there some reason lenny's vserver kernel doesn't support ipv6?
1218230540 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1218230540 M * emag the simple answer is "yes"
1218230606 M * micah nenolod: i do not know... I'm not handling the kernel
1218230620 M * micah nenolod: mostly waldi and maks are doing that
1218230621 M * nenolod also those fuckers dropped vserver in 2.6.26 again
1218230627 M * micah neither of them are here atm
1218230633 M * micah nenolod: because the patch isn't ready yet
1218230662 M * emag nenolod: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489387
1218230671 M * micah nenolod: ipv6 is only in patch 2.3
1218230703 M * nenolod ew. they want to go to openvz
1218230750 M * emag aside from "it's not vserver", why "ew"?
1218230763 M * nenolod emag, i have roughly 900 vserver instances
1218230773 M * micah yeah migrating from vservers to something else is not really an option here
1218230782 M * emag heh
1218230834 M * nenolod micah, yes, especially when we migrated from FreeBSD jail to vserver
1218230848 M * nenolod also vz's user beancounters feature is nowhere as nice as vserver's rlimits
1218230970 M * micah nenolod: maybe we should complain on #debian-kernel, in that bug report, and elsewhere?
1218230977 M * nenolod i agree
1218231044 M * nenolod i have roughly 900 instances across 18 servers
1218231052 M * nenolod migrating to openvz would take too long
1218231072 M * ktwilight funny how that guy is not interested in vserver is maintaining vserver :/
1218231095 M * ktwilight for debian.
1218231108 A * ktwilight gotta be clear on that ;)
1218231200 M * emag must be a thankless job to some degree
1218231264 M * nenolod dude, the new debian kernel team sucks
1218231273 M * nenolod the team was in a lot better shape in etch
1218231293 M * nenolod they screwed over dom0 xen too
1218231753 M * micah basically the team fell apart because there were some really poisonous people involved
1218231780 M * Bertl_oO well, the bug report is misleading
1218231788 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1218231807 M * Bertl if debian feels like having ipv6 enabled by default, add a simple y instead of the n
1218231834 M * emag i think the point is they'd rather have a module
1218231840 M * Bertl if debian feels that it needs ipv6 modular, pay somebody to implement that (not that hard, harry has done that before and probably will do in a few hours)
1218231903 M * Bertl I have good reasons for not wasting any time on that (for now) and it sounds more like political issues anyway
1218231913 M * nenolod Bertl, no, the problem is that maks is someone who wants to take the least effort to maintain the kernel
1218231928 M * nenolod Bertl, and so he will replace vserver with openvz
1218231947 M * Bertl sec
1218231971 M * nenolod and the only way that he will be happy is if vserver is merged upstream
1218231984 M * nenolod this is his rationale for axeing various other features, he completely sucks
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1218232316 J * androsch ~androsch@dslb-084-060-202-067.pools.arcor-ip.net
1218232480 M * Bertl okay, no maks atm, but I'm sure we can arrange something ...
1218232509 M * Bertl anyway, complaining is always a good idea, especially early and before stuff gets decided/finalized
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1218233540 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de
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1218233735 M * daniel_hozac ensc: not yet.
1218233754 M * daniel_hozac (i've had the bugzilla tab open for a couple of weeks)
1218234431 J * blizz ~stephan@e181117240.adsl.alicedsl.de
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1218235572 J * Hunger ~Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
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