1217462808 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1217464129 J * doener_ ~doener@i577BBE0C.versanet.de 1217464232 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217464276 J * dniel ~ary@host179.190-225-214.telecom.net.ar 1217464297 M * dniel . 1217464322 M * Bertl . 1217464416 M * dniel Bertl: Hi! Sorry I typed this key by mistake 1217464425 M * Bertl np :) 1217464836 M * dniel Bertl: I found a video about you 1217464837 M * dniel http://www.montanalinux.org/learning-linux-vserver.html 1217464863 M * dniel Bertl: I'll watch it :) 1217464890 M * Bertl hehe, yeah, the WTH event was fun, should be linked on my server somewhere 1217465019 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/News 1217465223 M * dniel Yes! I like this kind of class. Last week Thomas Sterling (the developer of Beowulf cluster) was in my university. After the class I could to speak with him 1217465301 M * dniel Bertl: Do you think any time will you come to Argentina? 1217465341 M * Bertl if somebody invites me and pays for travel expenses and accomodation, why not? 1217465493 M * dniel ahaha! Yes. The travel is very expensive. 1217468860 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217468948 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1217469849 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-226-44-63.bhm.bellsouth.net 1217470690 Q * dniel Quit: Leaving 1217471802 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.217.190 1217472177 J * dothebart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-251-119.netcologne.de 1217472601 Q * tudenbart Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217474792 M * Bertl okay, finally off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1217474796 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1217480347 J * kiorky ~kiorky@cryptelium.net 1217481529 Q * doener_ Quit: leaving 1217482969 J * cryptronic ~oli@p54A3B49D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1217483722 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.77.251 1217485032 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@81.253.9.168 1217487204 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217488408 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-226-44-63.bhm.bellsouth.net 1217489163 J * dna_ ~dna@50-247-dsl.kielnet.net 1217489564 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217490510 M * fanto666 does starting of a vserver create /var/run/utmp in it ? 1217490574 M * sid3windr no 1217490581 M * sid3windr maybe the initscripts do however 1217490753 M * fanto666 I'm sure they do not 1217490824 M * fanto666 not scripts inside of it... I only run apache binary there and utmp just got created 1217492873 M * matti Morning :) 1217493818 J * loddafni1 ~mike@p50839C5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1217495413 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217498262 J * mathieu ~mathieu@4aa54-3-82-226-201-20.fbx.proxad.net 1217498278 M * mathieu hi ! 1217498331 M * mathieu I have a little question please =) 1217498380 M * mathieu I don't find how build a vserver template 1217498437 M * mathieu I may just make a tarball of an existing vserver or is it more complicated ? 1217498457 M * mathieu (sorry for my poor english) 1217499174 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1217499178 M * Bertl morning folks! 1217499195 M * Bertl mathieu: no, that's basically it ... 1217499280 M * mathieu ok 1217499286 M * mathieu thanks you Bertl :) 1217499323 M * Bertl btw, you do not need to tar it up .. you can use the 'clone' method to build from an existing guest 1217500398 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.66.60 1217500769 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217501451 J * dragonheart ~dragonhea@ppp59-167-40-188.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net 1217501566 M * dragonheart is it possible to add a mount to a vserver without restarting it? 1217501683 M * Bertl sure 1217501697 Q * phedny Remote host closed the connection 1217501856 M * dragonheart was looking at a bind mount from the host to guest? still possible? 1217501899 M * Bertl sure, if the to-be-bind-mounted path exists in the guest namespace 1217501904 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp59-167-161-54.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net 1217501914 M * dragonheart which it doesn't 1217501928 M * Bertl sure about that? 1217501966 M * dragonheart to-be-bind-mounted path being the source i.e. /var/log/IP in mount --bind /var/log/IP 1217501991 M * Bertl is var on the rootfs? 1217502001 M * Bertl (var/log to be precise) 1217502017 M * dragonheart yes of the host 1217502028 M * Bertl then it should be part of the guest namespace too 1217502051 M * Bertl i.e. enter the guest namespace (with vnamespace) and do the bind mount there 1217502152 M * dragonheart ok - thanks for the tip :-) trying now (that I think i follow) 1217502270 J * phedny ~mark@2001:610:656::115 1217502339 M * dragonheart Bertl: thanks - i'd never used vnamespace before. much appreciated (for the whole vserver experience too) 1217502348 M * Bertl you're welcome! have fun! 1217502443 M * dragonheart i am . remote logging to the host accessable in readonly form on the guest due to a readonly bind. - perfect logging integrity and userability 1217502489 M * mnemoc Bertl: hi :), do you know public videos of talks about vserver newer than the one at http://www.montanalinux.org/learning-linux-vserver.html ? 1217502558 M * Bertl I don't have any urls, but there should be one from the Linuxwochen 2006 1217502576 M * Bertl I asked them to send me an url, but never got one :( 1217502583 M * mnemoc :( 1217502755 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217502912 J * phedny ~mark@2001:610:656::115 1217503882 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend 1217504049 J * dna ~dna@50-247-dsl.kielnet.net 1217504553 Q * mathieu Quit: Leaving 1217505421 J * fluor ~fluor@silentio.us 1217505431 M * fluor hi there 1217505476 M * Bertl hi 1217506032 Q * loddafni1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217506164 J * loddafni1 ~mike@p50839C5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1217506895 J * fortsev_ ~fortsev@p5496BD3A.dip.t-dialin.net 1217506937 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1217507093 J * fortsev ~fortsev@p5496D004.dip.t-dialin.net 1217507317 Q * fort_sev Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217507392 Q * fortsev_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217507759 Q * fortsev Quit: fortsev 1217508095 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1217509520 J * Linus ~Nuhx@bl7-132-179.dsl.telepac.pt 1217509920 Q * opuk Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217510454 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving. 1217511405 M * snooze how could new files/dirs still become hidden between guests even tho i; 1. killed all guests 2. chxid -c 0 -R 3. re-mounted without tag option 4. restarted the guests ? 1217511455 M * snooze for example .. i have like, one guest with an ftpserver and one with a webserver .. both can access the www-data 1217511514 M * arachnist http://img.wklej.org/images/608791811datarecoveryfail.jpg 1217511516 M * Bertl how is that www-data shared? 1217511530 M * snooze binds 1217511555 M * Bertl done properly? 1217511568 M * snooze i think so? 1217511578 M * Bertl well, what do you bind where :) 1217511669 M * snooze on the host (from /proc/mounts): /dev/sda1 /mnt/www ext3 rw,noatime,nodiratime,data=writeback 0 0 1217511677 M * snooze on the webserver guest (from fstab): /mnt/www /var/www/htdocs none defaults,bind 0 0 1217511722 M * arachnist snooze: you know that the binds should be in /etc/vserver/VS/fstab ? 1217511731 M * snooze yeah 1217511733 M * snooze thats from where i pasted 1217511765 M * snooze shouldn't have said 'on' :> 1217511779 M * Bertl why don't you do the /dev/sda1 mount directly (for the guest)? 1217511829 M * snooze well i guess i could for that one 1217511833 M * Bertl anyway, enter the guest namespace, and check that /mnt/www exists 1217511863 M * Bertl could have been 'cleaned up' which I'd consider a bug in util-vserver (make sure to test the latest version :) 1217511883 M * snooze what is the namespace? 1217511902 M * Bertl vnamespace --enter -- /bin/bash 1217511917 M * Bertl (don't trust mount, check with /proc/mounts) 1217511951 M * snooze i'll never learn all these tools :P 1217511964 M * snooze still i used all this for quite some time now :p 1217512014 M * snooze so anyway yeah, i enter it .. everything seems to be where it should be? :) 1217512026 M * Bertl then the bind should be fine too 1217512039 M * snooze and the bind does indeed work 1217512046 M * Bertl (check in both guests though) 1217512062 M * snooze but when i upload files in the ftpserver guest they're hidden from the www-guest 1217512070 M * snooze unless i chxid them 1217512071 M * Bertl then, touch something on the host (in that dir) 1217512099 M * Bertl ah? what filesystem? 1217512109 M * snooze ext3 1217512113 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com 1217512134 M * Bertl and no tag in /proc/mounts (for both guests?) 1217512139 M * snooze the even more annoying part is that i even cant chxid the hidden files atm, as i have to remount with the tag option :P 1217512147 M * snooze hm 1217512162 M * Bertl what kernel/patch version? 1217512185 M * snooze uhm wait 1217512189 M * snooze there's that tag option 1217512192 P * jsambrook 1217512194 M * snooze shouldnt be there o.O 1217512201 M * Bertl nope, shouldn't :) 1217512389 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@67.170.155.50 1217512520 M * snooze bah 1217512527 M * snooze it mounts with tag option even if i dont specify it 1217512539 M * Bertl that sounds odd 1217512562 M * snooze its like when i wanted the tag option in the first place, but reverse 1217512566 M * snooze i had to reboot to fix it 1217512586 M * Bertl most likely it is already mounted somewhere (with the tag option) 1217512602 M * Bertl and remounts do not work on tag 1217512614 M * snooze ye, clean umount and mount 1217512625 M * Bertl in all namespaces? 1217512637 M * snooze no guest is running 1217512644 M * Bertl (note that a --bind mount will keep the original mount too :) 1217512647 M * snooze and im talking about the host right now 1217513572 M * snooze ok Bertl, this seems to require a reboot, and i dont feel for that .. so instead; is it possible even with tagging enabled to not have the files hidden between the guests? :) 1217513584 M * snooze when a guest creates a new file that is 1217513743 M * Bertl nope 1217513758 M * Bertl but it definitely doesn't require a reboot, if you can actually unmount it 1217513799 M * Bertl just make sure that there is no evidence in /proc/mounts (in any namespace) and no 'tag' entry in your host's fstab or mtab 1217513820 M * snooze yep theres nothing anywhere 1217513843 M * Bertl then please strace -fF the mount command for me 1217513872 M * Bertl (upload the output somewhere, e.g. paste.linux-vserver.org) 1217514091 M * snooze hm i know why actually 1217514131 M * snooze the disk encryption is causing it (luks) 1217514151 M * snooze i have to remap the drive, but i cannot unmap it for some reason 1217514182 M * Bertl maybe because it is already mounted somewhere? :) 1217514200 M * snooze yeah, exactly.. just that its not 1217514249 M * Bertl what kernel/patch is it? 1217514283 M * snooze 2.6.22.19 vs2.2.0.7-grsec2.1.11 1217514321 M * Bertl /proc/virtual is empty? (except for into/status) 1217514365 M * snooze yeah, only info and status in there 1217514369 M * Bertl all vnamespace shells have been closed? 1217514385 M * snooze how can i find out? 1217514571 M * Bertl let's try grep tag /proc/*/mounts 1217514682 M * snooze nothing :| 1217514724 M * Bertl repeat the same with the device, i.e. sda1 1217514764 M * Bertl and as I said, please upload the strace (of the mount) 1217515444 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217515585 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-225-74.netcologne.de 1217515918 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1217515942 M * Bertl snooze: what does lsof /dev/sda1 show? 1217515956 J * dna ~dna@189-201-dsl.kielnet.net 1217516032 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217516040 M * Bertl (note that you want to use the real device there instead of sda1) 1217516075 M * Bertl also, anything in /sys/block//holders ? 1217516135 M * snooze lsof shows nothing, nothing inside any holders dir 1217516184 M * Bertl very strange, the only thing I can blame atm, is the grsec patch ... I can't reproduce it here with our release 1217516245 M * snooze hm 1217516270 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it 1217516294 M * snooze i have another luks device which i usually mount under the other 1217516301 M * snooze but that one is always possible to unmap 1217516344 M * snooze its always like this when im gonna reboot/shutdown the box, i cant close the first luks device 1217516375 M * snooze so kinda weird i guess.. 1217516547 Q * NaioN Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217516648 M * Bertl could be a bug in the luks stuff or so 1217516665 M * Bertl IMHO something is holding a reference to that device 1217516671 M * Bertl (and the mount point) 1217516675 M * snooze i found something 1217516681 M * snooze with dmsetup info 1217516683 M * snooze Open count: 1 1217516695 M * snooze for that device 1217516753 J * NaioN stefan@misc.mordor.unilogicnetworks.net 1217516763 M * snooze wonder how to find out what might be 'open' or whatever though 1217518463 J * larsivi ~larsivi@124.Red-213-96-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1217518940 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving 1217520368 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217520864 Q * Linus Quit: leaving 1217520897 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1217521013 Q * larsivi Remote host closed the connection 1217521228 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@67.170.155.50 1217522562 J * doener ~doener@i577BBE0C.versanet.de 1217522626 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1217523283 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1217523327 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1217523575 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated! 1217524125 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1217524137 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-151-1-92-152.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr 1217524714 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217526106 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217527220 Q * phedny_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217527254 Q * sannes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217528169 J * ssd ~gernot@83-64-146-228.klosterneuburg.xdsl-line.inode.at 1217528301 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217528853 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-151-1-17-47.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr 1217529163 J * yarihm ~yarihm@71-40-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch 1217529394 Q * fatgoose Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217529431 J * fatgoose ~samuel@98.80.modemcable.oricom.ca 1217529536 J * fatgoose_ ~samuel@126.80.modemcable.oricom.ca 1217529572 Q * fatgoose Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217529593 J * fatgoose ~samuel@98.80.modemcable.oricom.ca 1217530019 Q * fatgoose_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217530935 N * phedny Guest592 1217530938 J * phedny ~mark@2a02:348:35:5a26::1 1217531590 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.66.60 1217531857 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.70.189 1217532278 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217532665 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.217.241 1217532755 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.217.241 1217533192 J * yarihm_ ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp1-22.ethz.ch 1217533632 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217533658 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@87.66.205.151 1217534666 Q * ssd Quit: Ex-Chat 1217534849 J * jennyf ~jennyf@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr 1217534909 Q * jennyf 1217535297 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-160-149-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1217535403 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1217535528 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1217535540 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180204082.adsl.alicedsl.de 1217535925 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217535954 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@87.66.205.151 1217536166 J * Linus ~Nuhx@bl7-132-179.dsl.telepac.pt 1217536248 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@220.80-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1217536417 Q * ktwilight_ 1217536491 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217536876 J * opuk ~kupo@2001:16d8:ffbd:100::10 1217537029 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1217537202 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1217538182 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-211-74.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1217538280 Q * opuk Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217539888 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217541687 J * clochette ~clochette@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr 1217541796 Q * clochette 1217541850 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@220.80-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1217542435 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.29.70.189 1217542702 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.72.228 1217542854 Q * Linus Quit: leaving 1217543098 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217543266 J * esa` ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it 1217543272 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217543857 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1217544848 M * stephan Aug 1 00:28:41 mail dovecot: Time just moved backwards by 1191 seconds. This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now. http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards 1217544852 M * stephan most awesome log message ever 1217544858 J * cybergirl ~cybergirl@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr 1217544989 Q * cybergirl 1217545081 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1217545189 M * Bertl stephan: where/how did you get that? 1217545235 M * stephan i ran ntpd (my rdate crojob used an outdated server) and wondered why i couldn't access my mail via imap 1217545259 M * Bertl ah, so it was ntpd who reverted the time 1217545308 M * stephan i'm sorry, should have told you :) sounds like a bug report the way i put it 1217545326 M * Bertl yeah, could have been Linux-VServer related :) 1217545415 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1217545438 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1217546012 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217546049 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@220.80-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1217546707 Q * ktwilight Remote host closed the connection 1217546796 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@220.80-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1217547103 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer 1217547129 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@220.80-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be