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1216970074 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
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1216973519 J * naradapuri ~naradapur@nezmar.jabbim.cz
1216973910 M * naradapuri Hi, I have (maybe a stupid) question, but I spent much time without any success and I didn't find an anwer on the internet. I'm an experienced Debian user and I'm trying to set up vserver on my system (Debian testing). I installed vserver kernel, sucessfully created virtual system, but I'm not able to start it anyhow. After issuing
1216973910 M * naradapuri   vserver mysystem start
1216973910 M * naradapuri the server is not started, even no files in the guest filesystem directory are touched, simply nothing.
1216973910 M * naradapuri Where can I look for more information, enable more verbose logging, etc?
1216973910 M * naradapuri I guess something may be wrong with my setup, since I had no problems with the same procedure on a server running the same Debian version, but I have no idea what. (I wasn't able to use OpenVZ either - it kernel panicked immediately after the kernel was loaded.)
1216974179 M * cryptronic  vserver --debug mysystem start
1216974455 M * Mr_Smoke Funny, I moved away from OpenVZ since, but when I tried it on my debian system it worked out of the box
1216974490 M * PowerKe naradapuri: make sure the guest is configured to start at least 1 daemon (eg syslog)
1216975450 M * naradapuri PowerKe: Thanks a lot, that was it, I'm very grateful. Now the guest is running and I can enter.
1216975450 M * naradapuri I wonder I didn't find this anywhere, such a stupid thing.
1216976682 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1216977369 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-84-44-231-154.netcologne.de
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1216979666 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1216980041 M * matti Happy sysadmin day!
1216980055 M * bXi oh crap thats today!
1216980063 M * arachnist matti: wzajemnie ;>
1216980064 M * matti Indeed ;]
1216980067 M * matti arachnist: ;]
1216982222 P * naradapuri 
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1216992253 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1216992260 M * Bertl morning folks!
1216992318 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1216992549 M * maks Error: Patch failed
1216992549 M * maks --> Try to apply 1~experimental.1-extra.
1216992549 M * maks   (+) FAIL features/all/vserver/vs2.3.0.34.11.patch
1216992549 M * maks make[2]: *** [debian/stamps/source_amd64_vserver] Error 1
1216992746 M * Bertl you are probably trying to tell me something :)
1216992763 J * fatgoose_ ~samuel@98.80.modemcable.oricom.ca
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1216992820 M * maks yes that we will have a hard time to shipp vserver in lenny without vserver patch that applies to 2.6.26
1216992843 M * Bertl the 2.6.26 patch is work in progress
1216992859 M * Bertl feel free to help there
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1216993455 M * maks nice one
1216993594 M * Bertl well, let me know if you actually want to help ...
1216994816 M * maks never worked on vserver, sorry
1216995417 M * Bertl I guess this argument also means that you never will, no? :)
1216995789 M * maks well ro bind mounts are very cool
1216995798 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@232.97-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1216995815 M * Bertl and they finally made it into mainline (took only 5 or so years :)
1216995816 M * maks but currently quite time pressure on my own physics phd
1216995864 M * maks well no one had gone through the vfs maintainer critics ;)
1216995885 M * Bertl trust me, the ibm folks did more than once :)
1216996376 M * maks now there was the direct ack
1216998387 J * naradapuri ~naradapur@nezmar.jabbim.cz
1216998459 P * naradapuri 
1216998473 J * naradapuri ~naradapur@nezmar.jabbim.cz
1216998612 J * fatgoose ~samuel@levinux.uqar.qc.ca
1216998730 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... bbl
1216998734 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1216998808 M * naradapuri Hi, anybody succeed in installing 32-bit OpenSUSE (10.3) guest on 64-bit Debian? I tried to utilize http://linux-vserver.org/Installing_an_openSUSE_vserver_guest, i.e. to install OpenSUSE on virtual box, tar the whole system and untar it into an empty vserver (created using skeleton), but I got stuck at a strange error when I run "vserver myserver start" (or "linux32 vserver ni start"):
1216998808 M * naradapuri vcontext: execvp("/etc/rc.d/rc"): No such file or directory
1216998808 M * naradapuri even though the file exists and is executable in the guest system
1216998808 M * naradapuri Maybe there is some problem because the guest is 32bit and the host 64?
1216999192 J * laptopnenolod ~nenolod@ip70-189-74-62.ok.ok.cox.net
1216999277 M * Bertl_oO naradapuri: is the 32bit emulation enabled on the kernel?
1216999305 M * Bertl_oO also check with chroot that you actually can run something inside the guest (e.g. like bash)
1216999364 M * Bertl_oO once that works, check the rc script for executability, the shell and the libraries (inside the guest)
1216999641 M * naradapuri yes, 32bit emulation is working in the kernel
1216999641 M * naradapuri chrooting bash does not, this is likely to be the cause of the problem
1216999641 M * naradapuri thanks for the suggestion, I'll  investigate it
1217000615 M * naradapuri Yes, it was a stupid mistake (missing library). I just tweaked 'rc' a bit and successfully started the guest :-). Thanks again.
1217000733 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1217005529 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
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1217014752 M * micah daniel_hozac: any last minute commits for util-vserver?
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1217022799 J * vargadanis ~vargadani@catv-598710d9.catv.broadband.hu
1217022807 M * vargadanis hello
1217022818 M * vargadanis can sb please tell me how vserver handles 127.0.0.1?
1217022826 M * vargadanis i have trouble with amavisd
1217022909 M * arachnist well, it handles it specially
1217023213 M * vargadanis :)
1217023216 M * vargadanis thanx a lot
1217023228 M * vargadanis you saves the world, arachnist
1217023232 M * vargadanis ^_^
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1217023295 M * vargadanis so processes like amavisd should have no problem binding itself to 127.0.0.1 right?
1217023317 M * vargadanis httpd works fine so i suppose not
1217023599 M * arachnist processes should bind themselves to whatever ip address is in the guest
1217023828 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1217023882 M * Bertl vargadanis: depends on your kernel/patch and config
1217023906 M * vargadanis I C
1217023911 M * Bertl vargadanis: options range from using the first assigned IP to having a completely isolated 127.0.0.1 per guest
1217023940 M * vargadanis how do I chk that?
1217023963 M * Bertl first step, is to use testme.sh, and upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org
1217024013 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/
1217024103 M * vargadanis everything succeeded
1217024109 M * vargadanis do i still have to upload it?
1217024140 M * vargadanis http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12329
1217024141 M * Bertl well, if you want me to know what kernel and config, yes please :)
1217024196 M * vargadanis uploaded
1217024236 M * Bertl so, you are on vs2.2, which doesn't provide the isolated 127.0.0.1, but that shouldn't be a problem per se
1217024264 M * Bertl what does your guest's /etc/hosts contain for 'localhost'?
1217024304 M * vargadanis 127.0.0.1
1217024315 M * vargadanis 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
1217024319 M * Bertl and your guest has a single IP assigned?
1217024330 M * vargadanis yes
1217024335 M * vargadanis 192.168.1.10
1217024351 M * Bertl then try to change that to this ip (in etc/hosts)
1217024362 M * Bertl and restart the services
1217024371 M * Bertl (or the guest if you prefer)
1217024597 M * vargadanis i doubt that problem is with this one
1217024601 M * vargadanis i did it though
1217024619 M * vargadanis i just can't seem to find the reason...
1217024632 M * Bertl well, this is the first step, now let's check what amavis has in its config
1217024639 M * Bertl (same goes by the mailer btw)
1217024689 M * Bertl but the first step now is to check what actually goes wrong, i.e. try to describe what problems you see
1217024853 M * vargadanis ok...
1217024855 M * vargadanis i can see
1217024865 M * vargadanis yes I can see a distribution
1217024867 M * vargadanis that is CRAP
1217024880 M * vargadanis DONT USE UBUNTU UNLESS U WANT TO GO NUTS!
1217024886 M * Bertl lol
1217024888 M * vargadanis for desktop it is great
1217024892 M * vargadanis tho
1217024906 M * vargadanis back to business
1217024922 M * vargadanis Bertl: I installed Zimbra that pull's its configs from ldap
1217024951 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose
1217024951 M * Bertl okay
1217024959 M * vargadanis the only error message i get is this:
1217024964 M * vargadanis a sec
1217024990 M * vargadanis Jul 25 22:26:08 mail postfix/smtp[6540]: C2C0838C4D6: to=<admin@dreamact.hu>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.09, delays=0.08/0/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (lost connection with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] while receiving the initial server greeting)
1217025015 M * vargadanis i would say after this that postfix is not working
1217025041 M * vargadanis sorry this is gonna be a long one here
1217025043 M * vargadanis zimbra@mail:~$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25
1217025043 M * vargadanis Trying 127.0.0.1...
1217025043 M * vargadanis Connected to 127.0.0.1.
1217025043 M * vargadanis Escape character is '^]'.
1217025044 M * vargadanis 220 mail.dreamact.hu ESMTP Postfix
1217025046 M * vargadanis ehlo 127.0.0.1
1217025048 M * vargadanis 250-mail.dreamact.hu
1217025048 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines) 
1217025050 M * vargadanis 250-PIPELINING
1217025051 M * vargadanis 250-SIZE 10240000
1217025054 M * vargadanis 250-VRFY
1217025056 M * vargadanis 250-ETRN
1217025058 M * vargadanis 250-STARTTLS
1217025060 M * vargadanis 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
1217025062 M * vargadanis 250-8BITMIME
1217025064 M * vargadanis 250 DSN
1217025066 M * vargadanis right
1217025068 M * vargadanis sorry
1217025070 M * vargadanis i will use it in the future
1217025105 M * Bertl well, if you look closely, it doesn send to port 25 :)
1217025110 M * Bertl +t
1217025125 M * Bertl 10024 seems to be the amavis port
1217025141 M * vargadanis it is
1217025145 M * Bertl and I'm pretty sure, the amavis config has an entry which only allows packets from 127.0.0.1
1217025172 M * Bertl and that is probably your problem, as 127.0.0.1 is mapped to the first ip (192.168.1.10)
1217025175 M * vargadanis i wish i could chk it somehow
1217025179 M * vargadanis i will see
1217025184 M * vargadanis be back in a min
1217025187 M * vargadanis chking chf
1217025189 M * vargadanis cfg
1217025192 M * Bertl now, if amavis would be smart, it would check for localhost instead of 127.0.0.1 :)
1217025312 M * vargadanis that is right
1217025320 M * vargadanis but it as as dumm as me 
1217025321 M * vargadanis at least
1217025352 M * vargadanis well, the config is 600 lines...
1217025353 M * Bertl you said zimbra, yes?
1217025367 M * vargadanis right
1217025376 M * Bertl look what I got as first google hit!
1217025378 M * Bertl http://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Install_VServer
1217025422 M * vargadanis if you wanna take a look at it: http://codepad.org/dTR3kQ0x
1217025426 M * vargadanis haha
1217025428 M * vargadanis yes
1217025432 M * vargadanis that is no use
1217025450 M * vargadanis i went through the steps
1217025466 M * Bertl well, it covers the acl changes to amavis and such?
1217025495 M * Bertl Edit /opt/zimbra/amavisd/sbin/amavisd (main Perl script) and explicitly add the IP address of the Zimbra VServer to the "inet_acl" line. I.e:
1217025504 M * Bertl @inet_acl   = qw( 127.0.0.1 123.123.123.123 [::1] );  # allow SMTP access only from localhost
1217025524 M * Bertl (and so on and so forth)
1217025544 M * Bertl btw, this shows that amavis is broken by using 127.0.0.1 explicitely
1217025831 M * vargadanis yes
1217025842 M * vargadanis i mistyped the script file
1217025852 M * vargadanis i used to do the changes
1217025860 M * vargadanis i missed a 0
1217025870 M * vargadanis so 192.168.1.10 became 192.168.1.1
1217025874 M * vargadanis that is no good
1217025874 M * Bertl happens ..
1217025877 M * vargadanis yup
1217025889 M * vargadanis i should have created a short movie on this
1217025932 M * Bertl well, somebody should talk to the amavis folks to fix that
1217025932 M * vargadanis we would be at the scene where the "and 6 hours later: config::append(char('0'))"
1217025963 M * vargadanis Yup... I will do that
1217025968 M * vargadanis but you should as well
1217025975 M * vargadanis cause if it comes from multiple sources
1217025978 M * vargadanis maybe they will listen
1217025981 M * Bertl I do't use amavis :)
1217025997 M * Bertl but you can tell them, that I said it is broken :)
1217025997 M * vargadanis and as far as I know you are a badass vserver dever or maintainer or sth like that
1217026005 M * vargadanis so they should listen to you at least :(
1217026008 M * vargadanis :)
1217026030 M * vargadanis I will reference to you.... #include <Bertl.h>
1217026034 M * Bertl it should not be really hard you might want to do that) to draft a patch
1217026051 M * vargadanis i've never done anything like that before
1217026055 M * Bertl where you lookup 'localhost' at the beginning, and then use that result for the rest
1217026068 M * vargadanis :)
1217026083 M * vargadanis maybe at some other time, I will ask you in person to help me draft a patch
1217026088 M * vargadanis that would be so great
1217026091 M * Bertl if they get a patch doing that, against the latest (HEAD) version of amavis, I'm pretty sure they will consider it :)
1217026128 M * Bertl I don't use perl either (at least not where I can avoid it :)
1217026303 M * vargadanis you don't like it
1217026311 M * vargadanis ?
1217026323 M * arachnist hrm...
1217026328 M * Bertl I consider perl a write-only language :)
1217026355 M * Bertl (you can't really read it a few months after you've written it :)
1217026365 M * arachnist nothing like a 25GB log file, that compressed to only 6.7MB using bzip2
1217026451 M * vargadanis Bertl, that makes sense
1217026461 M * vargadanis that is why I like C++
1217026475 M * vargadanis and I put 30% of the project's time into documentation
1217026477 M * Bertl hehe, I don't like C++ either, but for other reasons
1217026493 M * arachnist c++ also becomes write-only, if you use enough of STL
1217026503 M * vargadanis thats also right
1217026514 M * vargadanis well the same thing is true to ruby
1217026522 M * vargadanis not for python tho
1217026733 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving.
1217026854 M * vargadanis let's see the bear
1217026874 M * vargadanis in a couple of mins it will turn out that the problem really was onlyu with the missing 0
1217026993 M * vargadanis god...
1217027006 M * vargadanis i don't believe this
1217027009 M * vargadanis gush
1217027012 M * vargadanis ahhh
1217027015 M * vargadanis O_o
1217027022 M * vargadanis that hurts
1217027031 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines) 
1217027140 M * vargadanis rofl ^_^
1217027155 M * vargadanis Bertl, at least you have a good sense of humor
1217027165 M * Bertl always :)
1217027169 M * vargadanis it worked Bertl
1217027175 M * vargadanis nicely done
1217027180 M * vargadanis you solved my struggle
1217027201 M * Bertl that's the point to get out the donation page ... sec :)
1217027226 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/donate/
1217027236 M * vargadanis are you in core team?
1217027286 M * Bertl you could say that, see http://linux-vserver.org/Developers (for details)
1217027336 M * vargadanis who is that guy in the first row... seriously he scares me...
1217027352 M * Bertl hmm .. well ... *G*
1217027400 M * vargadanis back to the donations
1217027415 M * vargadanis Bertl, I wish I could offer money for you at this very moment
1217027422 M * vargadanis or not you but to you project
1217027434 M * vargadanis to our project cause it is a community and open source project
1217027451 M * vargadanis but I have -x dollars on my card
1217027467 M * vargadanis maybe I can help the project in a different way
1217027481 M * vargadanis i can translate
1217027485 M * Bertl as the donations page states, there are many ways to 'help'
1217027498 M * vargadanis my offer is there for you
1217027512 M * vargadanis i could translate some of the contents of the website into hungarian
1217027536 M * vargadanis and maybe find some peeps who would give some space for a hungarian mirror
1217027567 M * Bertl go crazy, it's a wiki ... but I would say updating a few chapters (or simply cleaning them up, in english) would be a better idea .. translations tend to get out of sync very quickly
1217027593 M * vargadanis verstanden
1217027615 M * vargadanis ich werde das machen
1217027619 M * vargadanis :)
1217027638 M * Bertl :)
1217027638 M * Guy- vargadanis: hey, https://unixlinux.tmit.bme.hu/Vserver
1217027642 M * Guy- vargadanis: care to improve that?
1217027676 M * vargadanis Yup
1217027681 M * Guy- great
1217027690 M * Guy- (you'll need to register to edit)
1217027690 M * vargadanis Guy: are you hungarian?
1217027698 M * Guy- you bet
1217027706 M * vargadanis can I take it as a yes?
1217027713 M * Guy- absolutely
1217027749 M * vargadanis Guy: there will be a prezentation on vserver on 13 sept in Budapest
1217027753 M * vargadanis if you want come
1217027757 M * Guy- really?
1217027759 M * vargadanis yup
1217027763 M * Guy- as part of what?
1217027770 M * vargadanis as part of ubuntu conference
1217027773 M * Guy- oh
1217027782 M * vargadanis konf.ubuntu.hu/2008
1217027782 M * Guy- I teach this stuff at university
1217027803 M * vargadanis another guy from hight I will not reach nowadays
1217027807 M * Guy- want a presentation on something? :)
1217027811 M * Bertl ubuntu and Linux-VServer? how strange ...
1217027816 M * vargadanis it is
1217027826 M * vargadanis i know
1217027834 M * vargadanis the original plan was to do it with debian
1217027850 M * vargadanis but I was told that ubuntu is like an up to date debain
1217027859 M * vargadanis anyways
1217027868 M * Guy- oh, the deadline for paper submissions is past
1217027873 M * Bertl currently it seems to be the worst choice for Linux-VServer .. although we had a chat with Mark Shuttleworth ... some time ago
1217027875 M * vargadanis the program is not yet done but if they keep their word, I will have 45 mins
1217027883 M * Guy- somehow the conference didn't really penetrate into the community :)
1217027914 M * vargadanis Bertl: and what did he say?
1217027920 M * vargadanis Guy: that is right
1217027922 M * Guy- Bertl: depends on what you want to accomplish - I run a 32bit ubuntu desktop as a vserver on a 64bit debian system
1217027939 M * Guy- works quite well (why shouldn't it)
1217027939 M * vargadanis with X?
1217027940 M * Bertl something like "very nice .. and so performant" ...
1217027942 M * Guy- with X
1217027951 M * vargadanis sweet
1217027964 M * Guy- and udev/dbus/hal/whatever
1217027997 M * Guy- anyway, other than this, I don't see what's in it for the ubuntu crowd either
1217027999 M * vargadanis Bertl: i bet it is not as performant as under debian
1217028004 M * Guy- ubuntu is a desktop distribution...
1217028012 M * vargadanis it is right
1217028024 M * Guy- vargadanis: oh-oh, you're entering funroll-loops.info territory there :)
1217028054 M * vargadanis please define funroll-loops.info territory
1217028064 M * arachnist vargadanis: install gentoo! and be sure to put -fomfg-optimize in your CFLAGS
1217028080 M * Guy- vargadanis: just take a look at http://funroll-loops.info/ and you'll get the picture :)
1217028081 M * Bertl vargadanis: doesn't matter, there should be no visible overhead in Linux-VServer (compared to the base-kernel)
1217028111 M * vargadanis yup
1217028125 M * vargadanis Gentoo is way too time consuming for me
1217028136 M * vargadanis i need a system that is flexible but productive
1217028150 M * trippeh Typing passwords with a damaged index finger sucks :/
1217028157 M * vargadanis yup... I got the feeling of the website :)
1217028163 M * Guy- vargadanis: anyway, you're free to use my Vserver material, such as it is, in your presentation (it's licensed under an attribution-sharealike license)
1217028168 M * trippeh (other typing works well enough, though.. odd)
1217028173 M * arachnist vargadanis: irony. learn to recognise it.
1217028178 M * vargadanis trippeh: what did you do? used gentoo and didn't work?
1217028227 M * arachnist trippeh: passwords are in your finger memory, probably.
1217028228 M * vargadanis arachnist: ive never been that good at it :) will improve my skills ^_^
1217028244 M * vargadanis Guy: thanx for the offer
1217028245 M * vargadanis I will
1217028254 M * trippeh vargadanis: Nope. I dropped Gentoo years ago, it would have healed by now ;)
1217028280 M * arachnist trippeh: that's one of the reasons i'm still able to type in my password in qwerty, instead of the dvorak i use most of the time
1217028283 M * trippeh vargadanis: I accidentally cut of a part of the finger tip when fixing my bike
1217028288 M * Guy- trippeh: some scars never heal :)
1217028288 M * trippeh Err, one of them :p
1217028294 M * vargadanis trippeh: i can't hold on to my desk... too funny ^_^
1217028327 M * vargadanis well there is a scar that will never heal... it is called ubuntu and vserver
1217028341 M * vargadanis they are not a good pair together
1217028354 M * vargadanis i spent my last 4 days patching the kernel and trying to get it work...
1217028372 M * vargadanis Guy: Korn András?
1217028375 M * trippeh Ubuntu is the new Red Hat? :))
1217028380 M * Guy- vargadanis: ineded
1217028382 M * Guy- indeed
1217028399 M * Guy- vargadanis: does my (in)fame precede me? :)
1217028408 M * Bertl most folks just isntall the debian packages on ubuntu (seems to work for now)
1217028414 M * vargadanis no.. the pageinfo precedes you :)
1217028429 M * Guy- ah, how disappointing :)
1217028438 M * vargadanis trippeh: why would it be the new redhat? we don't have to pay for it 
1217028443 M * vargadanis Guy: sorry
1217028459 M * vargadanis I might go to BME next year
1217028465 M * vargadanis to IT
1217028491 M * trippeh vargadanis: Its starting to aquire the same kind of reputation as the last Red Hat releases (the old, free ones) ;)
1217028510 M * Guy- vargadanis: not a bad choice
1217028519 M * vargadanis trippeh: I was pooing in my panties back than
1217028538 M * vargadanis could you be please a little bit more specific?
1217028573 M * vargadanis Guy: I figured it is not... I cannot find anyone at Pannon University who could help me using flex/bison or quex
1217028581 M * trippeh Bad packages, overly patched kernels, stability problems, that sort of thing
1217028594 M * vargadanis trippeh: got it
1217028596 M * Guy- trippeh: it's not _that_ bad, at least the package manager is decent :)
1217028618 M * Guy- red hat releases of the '90s were pretty horrible
1217028623 M * vargadanis we must agree on that... deb rocks
1217028628 M * trippeh Guy-: Its a bit of a stretch, sure
1217028637 M * trippeh Guy-: But its funny still :)
1217028653 M * Guy- trippeh: ubuntu tries to cater to the user who doesn't have the patience to get stuff working
1217028658 M * Guy- trippeh: it's like free windows
1217028671 M * vargadanis nooo
1217028674 M * vargadanis yes
1217028675 M * Guy- trippeh: it works pretty well in many cases, just don't go scratching the shiny surface
1217028690 M * vargadanis that makes sense
1217028697 M * Guy- 80+% of an initscript has to do with fancy progres messages :)
1217028697 M * vargadanis but it is progressing
1217028700 M * trippeh Sounds like the old Red Hat goals.. He he
1217028716 M * Guy- trippeh: the difference is, they actually reach that goal, more or less :)
1217028716 M * vargadanis and more peeps are being "converted"
1217028738 M * Guy- but you certainly wouldn't want ubuntu on a server if you have a competent sysop
1217028753 M * vargadanis no I don't 
1217028757 M * vargadanis i used debian
1217028760 M * vargadanis always
1217028765 M * Guy- I was making a general statement :)
1217028785 M * vargadanis and I agreed
1217028803 M * vargadanis god I hate when there is sb whose english is better than mine
1217028819 M * vargadanis dang you Mr. MyPossibleFutureTeacher
1217028828 M * vargadanis ^_^
1217028829 M * Guy- I stand danged :)
1217028845 M * trippeh Dang.
1217028897 M * vargadanis Guy-: do you happen to know anyone who is good at lexing and grammar parsing?
1217028907 M * Guy- I think so
1217028913 M * Bertl lex, bison and yacc :)
1217028916 M * vargadanis it is you yourself right?
1217028924 M * vargadanis Bertl: you they are good
1217028924 M * Guy- vargadanis: no, I'm not a developer type
1217028937 M * vargadanis Guy-: ohh.. pitty
1217028956 M * Guy- vargadanis: but if you want advice in hungarian, try #awk on ircnet (it's not an awk channel actually)
1217028969 M * Guy- vargadanis: nsz, Igor2 or k-zed should be able to help you
1217028971 M * vargadanis I saw the lab of a guy who is attending the school... they used ANTLR... I dont like it
1217028988 M * vargadanis ahh so good
1217028990 M * vargadanis thanx
1217028990 M * Guy- or you could ask Bertl here, if he has the time :)
1217029002 M * Guy- (but I can't attest to his Hungarian :)
1217029007 M * vargadanis Bertl: the universal guy
1217029015 M * vargadanis hehe yup...
1217029025 M * vargadanis german would be sweet to know
1217029035 M * Bertl well, my hungarian is basically non existant :) and this channel _is_ Linux-VServer related 
1217029044 M * vargadanis that is right
1217029058 M * Guy- so better try #awk then
1217029059 M * vargadanis what did you think Mr.?
1217029065 M * vargadanis yup
1217029072 M * vargadanis ok
1217029077 M * vargadanis id better cool myself off
1217029096 M * vargadanis i am excited about IRC... that is about the 5th time I use it... kinda like it
1217029116 M * Guy- you're doing reasonably well for a 5th-timer
1217029151 M * Bertl and according to previous channel visitors, you got a friendly channel ...
1217029164 M * vargadanis makes sense
1217029182 M * vargadanis on freenode #c++ channel I always get yelled at
1217029199 M * Guy- Bertl: I think that's in no small part thanks to you
1217029211 M * vargadanis "we are not gonna teach you C++... if you want to know bison RTFM or buy a book"
1217029212 M * Guy- Bertl: you may look scary, but your heart is gold ;)
1217029230 M * vargadanis Bertl: must agree with him
1217029234 M * Bertl Guy-: uhm .. thanks for the flowers, I guess :)
1217029261 M * vargadanis (he really is scary though...)
1217029281 M * Guy- OK, group hug over, let's return to our regularly scheduled flame-throwing :)
1217029314 M * vargadanis one more last offtopic thing: if you wanna laugh 10mins in one piece: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
1217029337 M * Bertl vargadanis: what's scary about me?
1217029358 M * vargadanis (dang... I overdid it...)
1217029362 M * vargadanis Bertl: nothing
1217029381 M * Guy- Bertl: it's just not a very good picture of you
1217029400 M * Bertl hmm, should I take this one? http://flickr.com/photos/schani/80188277/
1217029415 M * Guy- better :)
1217029458 M * vargadanis OMG
1217029460 M * vargadanis NOOO
1217029467 M * vargadanis i like you pic on the website
1217029470 M * vargadanis it is cute
1217029471 M * Bertl LOL
1217029494 M * vargadanis you are a true character
1217029604 M * vargadanis thanx for the help and everything like that folks
1217029615 M * Bertl you're welcome! feel free to hang around
1217029616 M * vargadanis it is a pitty that I didnt get to know others from this channel
1217029622 M * vargadanis but I will hang out here
1217029625 M * vargadanis more often
1217029644 M * vargadanis Guy-: are you here a lot?
1217029653 M * vargadanis is he bugging you a lot around?
1217029690 M * Bertl Guy- has been around for a while now ...
1217029712 M * vargadanis sweet
1217029717 M * vargadanis i will meet him again than
1217029719 M * vargadanis alright
1217029722 M * vargadanis gotta log..
1217029738 M * vargadanis my momma told me that I cannot stay up to late :)
1217029748 M * vargadanis bye
1217029752 M * Bertl cya
1217029755 P * vargadanis Távozom
1217029777 M * Guy- whew :)
1217030128 M * trippeh He