1214525196 Q * bfremon1 Quit: Leaving. 1214525262 Q * doener_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214525937 M * Bertl_oO anybody from the US around? I would need a gadget which is hard to come by in Austria/Europe ... 1214525971 M * daniel_hozac i'm in the US right now... 1214525999 M * Bertl_oO http://tinyurl.com/534gkc 1214526033 M * Bertl_oO I would really appreciate it, the original costs about 250 EUR here 1214526058 J * doener ~doener@i577B854A.versanet.de 1214526151 M * daniel_hozac wow, that's quite a difference. i'll see what i can do... 1214526158 M * Bertl_oO hmm, sec, they even have a better one 1214526179 M * Bertl_oO http://tinyurl.com/3tpkey 1214526271 M * Bertl_oO either one (or both) will do 1214526312 M * Bertl_oO will cover the unit and shipping costs 1214526776 J * brc bruce@megarapido.cliquerapido.com.br 1214526910 M * daniel_hozac okay, i've ordered one of the latter... let me know if you need anything else. 1214526964 M * Bertl_oO how long are you going to be in the US? 1214526985 M * daniel_hozac two more weeks. 1214526992 M * Bertl_oO and then back home? 1214526997 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1214527136 M * Bertl_oO okay, if that isn't too much work for you, I'd add a bunch of fans .. I'll dig up the details shortly 1214527232 M * daniel_hozac i'm already ordering from newegg, so if it's that type of fan, it's not work at all ;) 1214527242 M * Bertl_oO excellent :) 1214528015 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-61-147-178.bhm.bellsouth.net 1214531554 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: what's the status of the pid isolation stuff in 2.6.25? 1214531577 M * Bertl_oO i.e. what was the problem (I forgot once again) 1214531610 M * daniel_hozac pid namespaces, or our code? 1214531635 M * Bertl_oO hmm, actually both would be interesting 1214531652 M * Bertl_oO for the pid spaces, we need to unshare/clone them somehow 1214531662 M * daniel_hozac for pid namespaces, i haven't been able to get enter working properly yet. 1214531723 M * daniel_hozac we could work around most of the issues by clone()ing after enter though, but i haven't had a chance to do that. 1214531733 M * Bertl_oO interesting .. that sounds like mainline issue? or how is it supposed to work there? 1214531750 M * daniel_hozac mainline doesn't support entering, AFAIK. 1214531806 M * Bertl_oO so much for replacement :) 1214531822 M * daniel_hozac for fakeinit, there were some /proc issues... i don't remember the details exactly. 1214531825 M * daniel_hozac hehe, indeed... 1214531885 M * Bertl_oO for the 'enter' part (with pid spaces) do we need more than actually moving a process into the new pid space? 1214531900 M * daniel_hozac we have to allocate a pid in the new pid space too. 1214531910 M * Bertl_oO would getting a new pid be a problem for the enter? 1214531945 M * daniel_hozac are you asking if it's a problem in user space, or in kernel space? 1214531951 M * Bertl_oO user space 1214532044 M * daniel_hozac i think it would be acceptable... it might break some things that signal the child though. 1214532096 M * Bertl_oO I think we also need a dummy reaper for the pid space, is that something we (you?) could easily do in userspace (preferably static or so)? 1214532131 M * daniel_hozac hmm, we can't do blend through init and have that reap them? 1214532156 M * Bertl_oO the problem is, the design destroys the pid space once the 'new init' exits 1214532183 M * daniel_hozac right. 1214532200 M * daniel_hozac i suppose it would be easier to just play along. 1214532205 M * Bertl_oO so it's probably simpler to bite the bullet here and have a real 'init' running even for init-less guests (using pid spaces) 1214532234 M * Bertl_oO but of course, that one should be minimalistic but functional 1214532246 M * daniel_hozac yeah... something that just accepts SIGCHLD and wait's as appropriate shouldn't be hard/resource consumptive. 1214532294 M * Bertl_oO might as well incorporate the runlevel execution at some point ... 1214532424 M * daniel_hozac or we could just require a plain initstyle... sysvinit doesn't really use a lot of resources. 1214532439 M * daniel_hozac i mean, rather than reimplementing it ourselves :) 1214532477 M * Bertl_oO yes, but we lose the verbose startup there, unless we find a nifty way to get that output somehow 1214532535 M * daniel_hozac that's something i've thought about before... it really shouldn't be too hard. 1214533966 N * tam_ tam 1214537126 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1214537142 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1214537970 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214537977 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214538162 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl 1214538454 J * eyck Y4iwvMGK@nat06.nowanet.pl 1214541810 J * cryptronic ~oli@p54A3B492.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1214543380 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1214543878 J * dreamind ~dreamind@mx01.ap-wdsl.de 1214543983 M * dreamind Hi :) 1214544238 M * MooingLemur g'mornin' 1214544784 J * bronson ~bronson@adsl-68-122-117-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net 1214545526 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p5B23BF74.dip.t-dialin.net 1214546095 Q * bronson Remote host closed the connection 1214546292 J * bronson ~bronson@adsl-68-122-117-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net 1214546342 P * dreamind 1214546632 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214548987 J * sharkjaw ~gab@149-67-194.231210.adsl.tele2.no 1214551781 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann 1214552112 J * pusling_ pusling@77.75.162.71 1214552118 J * tzanger_ ~tzanger@gromit.mixdown.ca 1214552161 Q * FireEgl resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * brc resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * nkukard resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * tam resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * Aiken resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * AndrewLee resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552161 Q * tzanger resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214552369 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-61-147-178.bhm.bellsouth.net 1214552369 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1214552369 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com 1214552369 J * Aiken ~james@ppp118-208-119-17.lns4.bne4.internode.on.net 1214552369 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1214552420 J * meandtheshell ~sa@d86-33-47-83.cust.tele2.at 1214553702 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214554130 Q * Aiken resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214554130 Q * tam resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214554130 Q * nkukard resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214554130 Q * AndrewLee resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214554130 Q * FireEgl resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net 1214554132 J * bfremon ben@lns-bzn-31-82-252-252-155.adsl.proxad.net 1214554138 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-61-147-178.bhm.bellsouth.net 1214554138 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1214554138 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com 1214554138 J * Aiken ~james@ppp118-208-119-17.lns4.bne4.internode.on.net 1214554138 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1214554446 J * esa bip@62.123.8.54 1214554821 M * joern42 i just restart one of 15 guests and the network interfaces of about 10 guests were gone.. hmmm... wrong config perhaps? (util-vserver-0.30.214, 2.6.22.19 + 2.2.0.7) 1214555797 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214556107 J * dna_ ~dna@124-220-dsl.kielnet.net 1214556348 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-17-140-179.bhm.bellsouth.net 1214557384 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it 1214557657 M * padde joern42: i guess you have that primary / secondary interface problem 1214557715 M * padde joern42: have a look in the faq/wiki, i think you will find it by searching for "primary". don't have a (usable) browser just now 1214557758 M * joern42 padde: thx! 1214558380 J * joern42_ ~joern@dyndsl-091-096-041-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de 1214558545 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214558654 Q * bfremon Remote host closed the connection 1214558675 J * bfremon ben@lns-bzn-31-82-252-252-155.adsl.proxad.net 1214558677 Q * joern42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214558677 N * joern42_ joern42 1214558900 J * brc bruce@megarapido.cliquerapido.com.br 1214559077 N * pusling_ pusling 1214559111 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1214559200 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.199.192 1214560666 J * bfremon1 ben@lns-bzn-40-82-251-176-118.adsl.proxad.net 1214561049 Q * bfremon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214562046 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@250.84-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1214562069 J * cryptronic ~oli@p54A3B492.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1214562225 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214562772 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214563180 J * esa bip@62.123.8.209 1214563329 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving 1214563877 J * franck342 ~franck34@sd-10138.dedibox.fr 1214563911 M * franck342 franck34: ? 1214563927 M * franck342 lol it's me, sry 1214563950 M * franck342 hi all, i'm chrooting sshd into a jail, inside a vserver 1214563985 M * franck342 usualy (in a host), to recreate /proc i just mount -t proc proc /path/to/my/jail/proc 1214563993 M * franck342 inside a vserver 1214564001 M * franck342 i can't, i got permission denied (i'm root) 1214564016 M * franck342 any workaround ? 1214564096 M * franck342 perhaps adding something in /etc/vservers/myvserver/fstab ? 1214564230 M * NaioN i don't think you are allowed to mount in a vserver 1214564289 M * NaioN franck342: http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_want_to_.28re.29mount_a_partition_in_a_running_guest_..._but_the_guest_has_no_rights_.28capability.29_to_.28re.29mount.3F 1214564302 M * franck342 reading thx 1214564309 M * NaioN np 1214564356 M * franck342 seem's it's the command i'm looking for 1214564390 M * franck342 any suggestion for parameters related to mount a second /proc ? 1214564393 M * franck342 nothing special ? 1214564404 M * NaioN not as far as i know.... 1214564408 M * NaioN but i never tried... 1214564429 M * franck342 let's try 1214564560 M * franck342 i don't understand -e parameters in --help 1214564649 M * franck342 what's XID mean in vnamespace -e XID 1214564666 M * franck342 it's a namespace ok, but how can i know the namespace i need to use ? 1214564778 M * NaioN with vserver-stat 1214564782 M * franck342 thx 1214564791 M * NaioN you see the different guests with their XID 1214564818 M * franck342 XID = NAME ? 1214564822 M * franck342 don't have XID column 1214564827 M * NaioN hmmmm mom 1214564848 M * NaioN CTX :) 1214564858 M * franck342 k (noob here) 1214564897 M * NaioN every guest gets a unique number 1214564935 M * franck342 it's ok was just confusion XID/CTX 1214564948 M * NaioN i didn't do the naming ;) 1214564955 M * NaioN i'm just a user... 1214564971 M * NaioN but i hadn't noticed it, till now 1214565000 M * franck342 ok, /proc mounted 1214565003 M * NaioN i think CTX stands for context and XID for context ID or something :) 1214565009 M * franck342 yeah 1214565062 M * franck342 mm 1214565072 M * franck342 seem's mounting /proc like that is not the good way for me 1214565082 M * franck342 screen, inside my jail say: 1214565082 M * franck342 user@innow:~$ screen 1214565082 M * franck342 Cannot access '/data/vservers/innow/dev/pts/0': No such file or directory 1214565092 M * NaioN hmmm... 1214565109 M * franck342 i'm suppose to have /dev/pts/0, but not /data/vservers/innow/dev/pts/0 1214565149 M * franck342 perhaps my vnamespace syntax is bad 1214565157 M * NaioN i think it's better to mount proc at startup time of the vserver 1214565162 M * franck342 i often don't understand what i'm exactly typing :) 1214565168 M * franck342 yeah agree with that 1214565232 M * franck342 argh 1214565233 M * franck342 root@sd-10138:~# vnamespace -e 40004 umount /data/vservers/innow/home/chrooted/proc 1214565236 M * franck342 umount: /data/vservers/innow/home/chrooted/proc: not mounted 1214565240 M * franck342 but it's mounted lol 1214565262 M * franck342 ha no my fault 1214565325 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214565344 M * franck342 let's try with fstab 1214565373 M * franck342 grmpf, i'm in a vserver, see you :) 1214565377 Q * franck342 Quit: leaving 1214565405 M * franck34 oups here again 1214565407 Q * franck34 Quit: leaving 1214565466 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1214565507 M * pmjdebruijn NaioN: that's the default 1214565517 M * pmjdebruijn oh crap, franck's gone 1214566202 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it 1214566245 J * franck34 franck34@sd-10138.dedibox.fr 1214566285 M * franck34 NaioN: finaly i didn't need to mount /proc, but only /dev/pts, using fstab file in my vserver conf 1214566292 M * franck34 working like a charm now 1214566303 M * franck34 thx for brainstorm 1214566321 Q * franck34 1214566368 J * franck34 franck34@sd-10138.dedibox.fr 1214567441 M * pmjdebruijn franck34: doesn't /proc get mounted by default? 1214567471 J * fanto666 fantomas@fantomas.fantomas.sk 1214567559 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1214567564 M * Bertl morning folks! 1214567651 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving 1214567653 M * franck34 pmjdebruijn: yes, in the vserver, but got a jail inside a vserver, so was thinking i need a second /path/to/my/jail/proc 1214567683 M * franck34 the goal was to make "screen" running inside an ssh jail, inside a vserver 1214567687 A * franck34 parano 1214567752 M * franck34 screen need /dev/pts or /proc and i needed to mount /path/to/my/jail/dev/pts using vserver fstab configuration file 1214567855 M * Bertl hmm, proc could be done via bind mount inside the guest (given a recent kernel/patch) 1214568066 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org 1214568239 Q * cryptronic Quit: Leaving. 1214568477 M * pmjdebruijn oh ok 1214569389 Q * pisco Remote host closed the connection 1214569483 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1214569849 P * fanto666 1214570072 Q * joern42 Quit: :(){ :|:&};: 1214570247 J * joern421 ~jr@dyndsl-091-096-041-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de 1214570542 N * joern421 joern42 1214570672 P * joern42 1214570688 J * joern42 ~jr@dyndsl-091-096-041-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de 1214570747 P * joern42 1214570839 J * joern42 ~jr@dyndsl-091-096-041-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de 1214571118 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1214571196 J * marv ~marv@modemcable130.216-57-74.mc.videotron.ca 1214571199 N * marv marv_ 1214571976 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1214572493 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection 1214573624 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org 1214573634 Q * hijacker_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214574320 J * hijacker ~hijacker@213.91.163.5 1214576323 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1214577126 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.201.0 1214578816 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1214580708 Q * blathijs Read error: Connection reset by peer 1214580711 J * blathijs ~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl 1214581207 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214581602 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214582004 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org 1214582165 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend 1214582626 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1214583360 J * dna ~dna@124-220-dsl.kielnet.net 1214583509 J * torsti76 ~torsti76@gate.iwm-kmrc.de 1214583520 M * torsti76 hi all 1214583569 M * Bertl hey 1214583584 M * torsti76 i have a strange problem 1214583608 M * torsti76 a few days ago i built a vserver that ran very well 1214583622 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl 1214583623 Q * ex 1214583636 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl 1214583643 M * torsti76 today i had to restart the host 1214583670 M * torsti76 and now i get a bus-error from chbind, whenever i try to restart the mentioned vserver 1214583682 M * torsti76 a second one from the same template simply works 1214583713 M * Bertl you sure it is chbind which fails? 1214583730 M * torsti76 no, i'm not ;) 1214583737 M * Bertl bus errors normally don't appear and disappear 1214583751 M * torsti76 because, even if i try to chroot into the vservers / i get a bus error 1214583771 M * Bertl that sounds more like it, i.e. something _inside_ that guest fails 1214583775 M * Bertl first, what util-vserver version are you running? 1214583836 M * Bertl ('vserver-info - SYSINFO' will tell you) 1214583841 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines) 1214583957 M * torsti76 it's built from gentoo-portage - 0.30.215 1214583971 M * torsti76 just a sec, i have to take a phone call 1214584085 M * torsti76 ok, back 1214584132 M * Bertl so, if you get a bus error even on chroot, the guest is definitely broken 1214584163 M * torsti76 shit 1214584169 M * Bertl i.e. some library or executable cannot be run 1214584188 M * Bertl check 'dmesg' for some clues 1214584192 M * torsti76 i just pasted the SYSINFO output 1214584197 M * torsti76 already did - nothing 1214584222 M * torsti76 i did an strace 1214584227 M * Bertl what distro has the guest? 1214584233 M * torsti76 gentoo 1214584238 M * torsti76 amd64 1214584246 M * torsti76 the host as well 1214584250 M * Bertl so you can't even verify the integrity ... 1214584277 M * Bertl (or does gentoo do some checksumming?) 1214584292 M * torsti76 it depends on which part ;) 1214584315 M * torsti76 i don't think they do that on packages 1214584351 M * torsti76 so, what's the suggested way of recovery? 1214584368 M * torsti76 build a new server in parallel and copy data and config over? 1214584405 M * Bertl I'd take a similar/equivalent guest and start comparing binaries and libraries between the two 1214584438 M * Bertl (not sure that works on gentoo) 1214584447 M * torsti76 it should 1214584460 M * torsti76 all my guests come from the same binary template 1214584484 M * Bertl okay, then do that and compare the basics first (i.e. /bin /sbin /lib* 1214584490 M * torsti76 but it's annoying anyway 1214584499 M * torsti76 ok, i'll report back 1214584512 M * Bertl yeah, filesystem/guest corruption is annoying ... 1214584589 M * torsti76 oh, there's a difference in libc 1214584637 M * torsti76 two libc's with the same timestamp and name, but different size *grrr* 1214584676 M * torsti76 chroot works again 1214584799 M * Bertl maybe somebody tried to hack your guest? 1214584812 M * torsti76 yeah, that's possible 1214584819 M * Bertl (or just somebody who is root on the guest managed to mess up the libc :) 1214584831 M * torsti76 it's the php-part of our (proxied) webserver 1214584846 M * torsti76 and i don't trust php at all 1214584856 M * torsti76 that's why it's running in a guest ;) 1214584890 M * torsti76 ok, bertl, thanks - i'll go rkhuntin' now ;) 1214584927 M * Bertl you're welcome! have fun! 1214584961 P * torsti76 1214585044 J * meandtheshell ~sa@d86-33-47-83.cust.tele2.at 1214585574 J * DeSwa ~Dct@85.107.98.181 1214585581 P * DeSwa 1214585765 J * derjohn_mob aj@p57A6D551.dip.t-dialin.net 1214586351 Q * docelic Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1214586716 Q * marv_ Quit: Leaving 1214586925 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214587007 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1214587302 Q * ex Read error: Connection reset by peer 1214587379 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214589362 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214589524 J * laptopnenolod- ~nenolod@ip70-189-74-62.ok.ok.cox.net 1214589635 Q * laptopnenolod Read error: Connection reset by peer 1214590103 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1214591293 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-147-84.dclient.hispeed.ch 1214591575 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1214593095 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-248-073.pools.arcor-ip.net 1214594344 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1214595051 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host195-183-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1214595149 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-17-140-179.bhm.bellsouth.net 1214595485 Q * balbir Read error: Operation timed out 1214595586 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving 1214596271 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.179.12 1214596321 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host195-183-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1214597435 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving 1214599246 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1214599716 J * Aiken ~james@ppp118-208-119-17.lns4.bne4.internode.on.net 1214599722 Q * bfremon1 Quit: Leaving. 1214601399 Q * ruskie Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server. 1214601580 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net 1214601712 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214601812 Q * joern42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214601993 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1214603016 J * mire ~mire@101-168-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1214604410 J * dniel ~ary@host91.190-137-4.telecom.net.ar 1214604542 M * dniel hi! :) 1214604559 Q * hparker Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1214604787 M * dniel how does bind work in a virtual server? 1214604802 M * dniel there are any problem? 1214604803 M * daniel_hozac bind as in the DNS server, or as in the syscall? 1214604830 M * dniel daniel_hozac: as in the DNS server 1214604844 M * daniel_hozac with a recent kernel, it works fine. 1214604877 M * dniel daniel_hozac: wich version? 1214604887 M * daniel_hozac 2.1+ 1214604903 M * dniel daniel_hozac: ok. thanks 1214605450 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1214606888 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1214607327 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1214607762 Q * dniel Quit: Leaving 1214608128 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection