1210896022 M * Bertl well, in theory it works, practically I see a lot of missing stuff (especially regarding the filesystem support)
1210896061 M * Bertl does that work with xfs, btw?
1210896069 M * Guy- I never tried
1210896072 M * daniel_hozac it's just an extended attribute, right?
1210896083 M * Guy- but yes, that was my guess too
1210896094 M * Guy- that they'd do it with extended attributes
1210896112 M * Bertl not sure about that, IIRC, it is retrieved on mapping the binary ...
1210896134 M * Bertl but I have to admit, I didn't look into it yet
1210896174 M * Guy- I seem to recall xfs having three separate attribute namespaces: system, security and user? I'm no longer sure
1210896214 M * Guy- but I'd have thought that system and security were meant for stuff like posix capabilities, ACLs, security contexts and such
1210896253 M * Guy- (again, a seemingly logical choice for xid tagging)
1210896311 M * Bertl well, do you have some time on your hands an a deep love for xfs? if so, I could point you to the right direction ...
1210896357 M * Guy- unfortunately, no :( (I'd need a lot of time because I'm not that much into C either)
1210896477 M * Guy- anyway, thanks for the explanation
1210896498 M * Guy- I'm afraid I'll be back with more questions later :)
1210896569 M * Guy- good night
1210896612 M * Bertl have a good one!
1210896957 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: can you reach kerneltrap.org?
1210897023 M * daniel_hozac doesn't seem like it.
1210897035 M * Bertl ah, okay, thanks for the test
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1210899733 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1210899797 M * doener_ Bertl: it's up again
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1210899863 M * Bertl hmm, only partially, it seems
1210899893 M * doener_ in which way?
1210899912 M * Bertl http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1054 for example
1210899955 M * doener_ try without the "view/" part
1210899985 M * Bertl ah, thanks, must have changed at some point
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1210902850 N * Supaplex_ Supaplex
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1210914155 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1210914159 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1210939524 M * Guy- Bertl: here are some fs benchmark charts for you: http://gergely.tomka.hu/st2/
1210939594 M * Guy- Bertl: the y axis shows kb/s
1210939622 M * Guy- Bertl: some other, less interesting benchmark results are at http://gergely.tomka.hu/st/ and http://gergely.tomka.hu/dt/
1210939664 J * dupont-y ~dupont-y@tomintoul.ipv6.univ-nantes.fr
1210939771 M * dupont-y hello
1210939802 M * dupont-y quick question : is the latest dev patch (for 2.6.25) supposed to be reasonably stable, or not ?
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1210939885 M * JonB Guy-: ext3 and xfs seems to do nicelu
1210939966 M * Guy- yes, with ext3 handling random writes less well
1210940004 M * Guy- and degrading more as the number of threads increases
1210940079 M * JonB Guy-: okay
1210940098 M * dupont-y the patch I tried is : patch-2.6.25-vs2.3.0.34.9.diff
1210940151 M * Guy- JonB: xfs read performance seems to be above ext3 read performance even with 16 vs 2 threads
1210940222 M * JonB Guy-: yes
1210940292 M * Guy- JonB: (I had a discussion about fs performance with Bertl last night, that's why I posted these URLs)
1210940323 M * JonB ok
1210940495 J * dna_ ~dna@224-196-dsl.kielnet.net
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1210940866 M * daniel_hozac dupont-y: and?
1210940943 M * daniel_hozac dupont-y: it's known to have some bugs and missing some features.
1210941043 M * dupont-y and i've got some oops
1210941044 M * dupont-y :)
1210941053 M * daniel_hozac so, paste it.
1210941061 M * dupont-y ok, here or by mail ?
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1210941080 M * daniel_hozac paste.linux-vserver.org.
1210941115 M * dupont-y ok, i'll go
1210941187 M * dupont-y damn the beast just died right now, I have to reboot it. please be patient.
1210941330 M * dupont-y ok, reboot in progress. The oops is quite easy to trigger, starting a vserver is OK, but stopping it triggers the oops
1210941393 M * dupont-y I have lots of xfs_xxxx symbols in the oops. maybe there is a problem related.
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1210942066 M * dupont-y pasted.
1210942478 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.70.193
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1210943622 J * jakesolid ~jakesolid@h-64-105-248-183.miatflad.covad.net
1210943664 M * jakesolid i'm having difficulties starting one of my vservers. I'm getting the message "ncontext: vc_net_migrate(): No such process"
1210943671 M * jakesolid any inputs?
1210943683 M * daniel_hozac what context id doid you specify?
1210943690 M * daniel_hozac -o
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1210943739 M * jakesolid i ran the following line -> echo 49287 > /etc/vservers/myserver/context
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1210943846 J * rob-84x^ ~rob@submarine.ath.cx
1210943939 M * jakesolid after specifying the context id when i now try to start i get the message -> vsched: non-integer value specified for '--priority_bias'
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1210944196 M * jakesolid any inputs?
1210944314 M * daniel_hozac 49287 is not a valid static context id. that's a dynamic context.
1210944359 M * jakesolid i appended the context again with number 105 and i now get message -> vsched: non-integer value specified for '--priority_bias'
1210944382 M * jakesolid i also get this message -> An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when 
1210944382 M * jakesolid there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script
1210944382 M * jakesolid (/etc/rc.d/rc 3) failed.
1210944607 M * daniel_hozac yes, dummy is not an integer.
1210944630 M * daniel_hozac so, replace it in /etc/vservers/<guest>/schedule
1210944673 M * jakesolid replace it with what?
1210944697 M * jakesolid it now started
1210944740 M * daniel_hozac an integer...
1210944769 M * jakesolid i guess you had other people complain about this before many times :)
1210944800 M * jakesolid is now working
1210945056 M * dupont-y daniel_hozac: any hint about the bug ?
1210945216 M * daniel_hozac dupont-y: get http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-signal-fix03.diff and try to reproduce.
1210945249 M * dupont-y ok
1210945268 M * dupont-y should I take only the last one ? or the 2 others before ?
1210945323 M * daniel_hozac what?
1210945372 M * dupont-y ok sorry didn't understand
1210945381 M * dupont-y I meand should a take the others fixes too ?
1210945407 M * dupont-y delta-sched-fix04.diff  + fix05 + fix06n ?
1210945417 M * daniel_hozac those shouldn't affect you.
1210945422 M * daniel_hozac but sure, get those too.
1210945470 M * dupont-y yes thaks
1210945475 M * dupont-y i'll do it now
1210945500 M * jakesolid daniel_hozac: i was able to start the vserver but not the apache. i'm getting error message -> No space left on device: Cannot create SSLMutex
1210945518 M * jakesolid i clear the semaphores by running ipcs -s | grep apache | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) { @a=split(/\s+/); print `ipcrm sem $a[1]`}' but with no luck
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1210946784 M * kriebel http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481372
1210946793 M * kriebel for those of you who were here yesterday
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1210947976 M * dupont-y daniel_hozac: seems to be better now
1210948094 M * dupont-y daniel_hozac: yup, much better. Thanks a lot.
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1210948343 M * phedny hmm
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1210955030 J * mib_zatt1y80 d955bc28@67.207.141.120
1210955201 M * mib_zatt1y80 hi
1210955233 M * daniel_hozac hello
1210955233 M * mib_zatt1y80 I want to set the time on my vServer. It's not working: operation not permitted.
1210955244 M * daniel_hozac the time is shared between all guests.
1210955253 M * daniel_hozac set the time on the host, and it'll be correct for all the guests.
1210955293 M * mib_zatt1y80 daniel_hozac: Yep, someone else also told me but it displays me the time in UTC+2, not in GMT+1
1210955305 M * daniel_hozac so, set the timezone.
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1210955319 M * mib_zatt1y80 is there a way to change this as 'normal' user? do you mean by using tzconfig?
1210955327 M * daniel_hozac for instance.
1210955351 M * daniel_hozac export TZ=EST5EDT will set it for your current session.
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1210955370 M * daniel_hozac if you have root, just copy the appropriate file to /etc/localtime.
1210955390 M * mib_zatt1y80 ok, great. thanks, i'll try it
1210955418 J * searme4 ~pedro@195-23-123-25.net.novis.pt
1210955420 M * mib_zatt1y80 wait, there seems to be no tzconfig here. do I need to install it or is /etc/localtime also working without it
1210955422 M * mib_zatt1y80 hello searme4
1210955434 M * searme4 hi
1210955454 M * daniel_hozac /etc/localtime works as long as you have libc.
1210955462 M * daniel_hozac which is essentially always.
1210955496 M * mib_zatt1y80 great. thanks.
1210955521 M * searme4 anyone been using 2.3.0 in production recentrly?
1210955525 M * searme4 *recently
1210955569 M * daniel_hozac i've been using 2.3 since 2.3.0.17
1210955599 M * mib_zatt1y80 daniel_hozac: uhm, there are things like "TZif2^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A^@^@^@^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A^@^@^@^D^@^" in the beginning. the file ends with "UTC0". can I simply change it to GMT1 or have those characters in the beginning have a meaning (checksum, or something?)
1210955614 M * daniel_hozac uh, yes.
1210955628 M * daniel_hozac cp -a /usr/share/zoneinfo/<your timezone> /etc/localtime
1210955712 M * mib_zatt1y80 daniel_hozac: thanks!
1210955724 M * searme4 does 2.3.0.34 patch the latest 2.5.25 kernel?
1210955735 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.25 is far from stable, and missing features.
1210955749 M * searme4 ohh
1210955766 M * mib_zatt1y80 daniel_hozac: great it really worked! :)
1210955817 M * searme4 so you would stick with 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34 you think?
1210955841 M * daniel_hozac yes, i have.
1210955842 M * searme4 plus latest util-vserver
1210955875 M * mib_zatt1y80 ok, bye
1210956000 M * daniel_hozac bye
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1210958908 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1210959506 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1210959511 M * Bertl morning folks!
1210959545 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl!
1210959554 M * DLange morning(?) Bertl :)
1210959658 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@77.29.70.193
1210960096 M * JonB hey Bertl 
1210960288 J * Linus ~Nuhks@bl7-145-243.dsl.telepac.pt
1210960440 A * Linus hi :)
1210960551 J * fb fback@red.fback.net
1210960577 M * fb good evening
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1210963159 M * Guy- hi Bertl, did you see the fs benchmark URLs?
1210963409 M * Bertl nah, not yet
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1210964201 N * DoberMann DoberMann[Flim]
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1210971782 M * Guy- 14:05 < Guy-> Bertl: here are some fs benchmark charts for you: http://gergely.tomka.hu/st2/
1210971785 M * Guy- 14:06 < Guy-> Bertl: the y axis shows kb/s
1210971788 M * Guy- 14:07 < Guy-> Bertl: some other, less interesting benchmark results are at http://gergely.tomka.hu/st/ and http://gergely.tomka.hu/dt/
1210971838 M * Bertl thanks
1210971843 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1210971848 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1210971972 J * edlinuxguru ~edlinuxgu@216.223.13.111
1210972024 M * cehteh Guy-: is there a file delete benchmark too? .. xfs is extremely slow there
1210972072 M * Guy- cehteh: yes, on http://gergely.tomka.hu/st/
1210972096 M * Guy- if I read the chart right, all filesystems suck at deleting, except ext3
1210972101 M * Guy- but ext3 hogs the cpu :)
1210972122 M * cehteh unless compared to reiser4 ... but *cough*
1210972165 M * edlinuxguru Speaking about filesystems. Has anyone ever implemented vserver and lustre in the same kernel?
1210972270 M * hparker ricerfs4... Will kill your wife^Wdata
1210972345 M * Guy- edlinuxguru: from what I heard, lustre's code is... not nice
1210972397 M * edlinuxguru Too bad that seems like an interesting pairing
1210972407 M * pflanze hm what's the name of the utility to copy/link/etc files in a vserver client from a host context?
1210972417 M * daniel_hozac vhashify?
1210972448 M * pflanze no, one which you could run like "foo copy vservername /some/path /some/other/path" or so
1210972458 M * pflanze and which would do it safely, i.e. use chroot.
1210972462 M * cehteh rsync? :)
1210972470 M * pflanze no, from the host.
1210972471 M * daniel_hozac i don't get it.
1210972475 M * daniel_hozac chroot-sh?
1210972499 M * pflanze nah.
1210972512 M * pflanze basically I want to copy out a file from a vserver client onto the host.
1210972516 M * pflanze and maybe back again.
1210972523 M * Guy- so how about cp?
1210972524 M * pflanze and do this safely (no symlink attacks)
1210972541 M * daniel_hozac chroot-sh it is then.
1210972579 M * pflanze where is this? I can't find it in util-vserver 0.30.213
1210972582 Q * MatBoy Ping timeout: 483 seconds
1210972609 M * daniel_hozac /usr/lib*/util-vserver/chroot-sh
1210972614 M * pflanze I've used something which could only copy, link, and cat, I think. Was some year ago or so.
1210972663 M * pflanze ah found chroot-sh
1210972692 J * Piet ~piet@86.59.21.38
1210972695 M * pflanze yep that's it actually, thanks!
1210972783 M * pflanze (I didn't find it at first because I expected it to be in $installpath/sbin/)
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1210975267 M * pflanze I'm looking for copy-on-write files on Linux, i.e. big files of which one or more copies exist which are being partially modified; any idea?
1210975315 M * pflanze LVM snapshots are basically doing this, but in my experience I couldn't create more than one snapshot of a volume reliably,
1210975331 M * pflanze and I also think that I cannot remove the original volume but leave the snapshots intact.
1210975352 M * pflanze So I'm looking for something a bit more generic but basically the same.
1210975469 M * pflanze (Bertl_oO: if you're reading this, I wonder about TBVFS (or are you not interested in partial-file-cow?))
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