1210118444 Q * marl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1210118806 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1210121954 J * edlinuxguru ~edlinuxgu@ool-4357de9d.dyn.optonline.net
1210121980 M * Bertl edlinuxguru: feel free to improve the wiki
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1210122056 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1210122061 M * daniel_hozac good night Bertl!
1210122063 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1210122119 M * daniel_hozac edlinuxguru: but prefer generalizing existing pages over creating new ones... we already have way too many pages, IMHO.
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1210124406 M * edlinuxguru if your quotacheck does not have the -x option does this mean utils are not installed
1210124585 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1210124614 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1210124624 M * edlinuxguru I am trying to setup the per context quota.
1210124676 M * daniel_hozac you're using a 2.4 kernel?
1210124684 M * edlinuxguru No 2.6
1210124715 M * daniel_hozac so... there's no such thing.
1210125099 M * edlinuxguru Ok I guess I will talk about what I am doing. I have iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s ! 192.168.1.0/24 \
1210125099 M * edlinuxguru   -m tcp -p tcp --dport $EXTPORT 
1210125099 M * edlinuxguru   -j DNAT --to-destination $VHOST:$INTPORT
1210125147 M * edlinuxguru Sorry bad copy and paste. I have the newest vserver and 2.6 kernel as we just established and I want to setup some quota system so a vserver does not grow very big
1210125172 M * daniel_hozac then you want disk limits.
1210129188 M * edlinuxguru Thank you . that got me off in the right direction. I have to remount root it seems with tagxid option. Since I do not have a dedicated partition for vservers.
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1210138321 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1210139381 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
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1210140899 J * sharkjaw ~gab@64.28.12.166
1210140910 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1210143178 J * jsambrook ~jsambrook@aelfric.plus.com
1210143521 J * tobifix ~tobifix@IVV7KNALLER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE
1210144647 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1210144720 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1210144722 M * kwowt hi
1210144729 M * kwowt anyone running torrent trackers on vserver?
1210144734 M * kwowt i cant get it to work :/
1210145139 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1210145596 M * cehteh vserver shouldnt make anything special
1210145604 Q * mjt Remote host closed the connection
1210145613 M * cehteh i doubt they need some special privileges
1210145622 J * mjt ~mjt@nat.corpit.ru
1210145927 Q * mjt Remote host closed the connection
1210145929 J * mjt ~mjt@nat.corpit.ru
1210145955 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1210146182 J * bfremon ben@lns-bzn-54-82-251-125-96.adsl.proxad.net
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1210146742 J * mjt ~mjt@nat.corpit.ru
1210147482 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
1210149839 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1210150809 J * Slydder ~chuck@194.59.17.53
1210150815 M * kwowt cehteh
1210150832 M * kwowt if i run the torrent tracker outside VPS, lets say on the host machine
1210150835 M * kwowt it works
1210150839 M * kwowt if i run it on vps
1210150847 M * kwowt the torrents dont seed
1210150869 M * Slydder morning all
1210150913 M * kwowt any ideas?
1210150915 M * kwowt mornin0
1210150981 M * kwowt seed, 'Torrent not registrered with this tracker' errors, 'invalid_info hash', etc 
1210151323 Q * puck charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1210151382 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz
1210152563 M * JonB doesnt ACL on ext3 work inside a vserver?
1210154505 M * pmjdebruijn why wouldn't it?
1210154514 M * JonB well, you tell me
1210154518 M * JonB i cant get it to work
1210154522 M * pmjdebruijn ACLs do work with XFS within a vserver
1210154531 M * pmjdebruijn so It'll probably work for ext3 as well
1210154534 M * pmjdebruijn JonB: try and find out
1210154544 M * JonB i did
1210154550 M * JonB i made 2 acl's
1210154557 M * JonB one for a user
1210154564 M * JonB and one for a group the user belongs to
1210154569 M * JonB neither worked
1210154867 M * sannes JonB: is it mounted with acls enabled?
1210154884 M * JonB sannes: yes
1210154966 M * sannes JonB: access is just not granted? or do you get an error while setting them?
1210154983 M * JonB sannes: access is denied
1210154987 M * JonB no error when setting them
1210154992 M * JonB and getfacl shows them
1210155001 M * sannes And does the user have access to the parent directory?
1210155012 M * JonB no
1210155017 M * JonB does the user need that?
1210155038 M * JonB well yes
1210155041 M * JonB they have read access
1210155067 M * sannes so the user could cd /parentdirectory/ and then try to access the file?
1210155093 M * JonB the acl is on a directory
1210155101 M * JonB the user can cd into that directory
1210155116 M * sannes so, then it has access?
1210155138 M * JonB no it doesnt
1210155149 M * JonB user has read access to /data/cvs
1210155159 M * JonB user has full ACL rwx on a subdir
1210155172 M * JonB but user can NOT create a lock file inside the subdir
1210155173 M * sannes okay, so ls fails?
1210155181 M * JonB no, ls works
1210155192 M * JonB user can also read the subdir in advance
1210155224 M * sannes to secs, just going to test this myself, seems weird though
1210155282 M * JonB it sure does
1210155403 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp59-167-72-154.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net
1210155524 M * sannes hm, doing mkdir dir ; setfacl -m u:otheruser:rwx dir/ .. and then, with otheruser I can create and delete files in dir/ ..
1210155534 M * sannes and this is within a vserver
1210155538 M * JonB strange
1210156733 J * mire ~mire@252-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net
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1210157841 J * dna ~dna@135-202-dsl.kielnet.net
1210158077 J * MatBoy ~MatBoy@wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl
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1210159541 J * bfremon ben@lns-bzn-54-82-251-125-96.adsl.proxad.net
1210159565 Q * bfremon 
1210159878 J * bfremon ben@lns-bzn-54-82-251-125-96.adsl.proxad.net
1210160072 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
1210160733 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1210160739 M * Bertl morning folks!
1210160750 M * JonB hi Bertl 
1210161640 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... bbl
1210161654 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1210161980 M * JonB sannes: you there?
1210162572 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving.
1210162609 J * cryptronic ~oli@p54A3B067.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1210163920 M * awk tell me what complications if you use a x86_64 host and i386 guests?
1210164109 M * brc awk: we do work with that
1210164559 M * sannes JonB: sure
1210164817 M * JonB sannes: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12086
1210164824 J * pusling pusling@77.75.162.71
1210165078 M * sannes JonB: And you are wondering why USERNAME does not get any access to make files in the directory or to subdirectories created in that directory?
1210165167 M * JonB sannes: yes
1210165214 M * JonB sannes: further more USERNAME is member of othergroupname
1210165225 M * JonB but that did not give access either
1210165405 M * sannes okay, the permissions seems to enable you to do the following.. the owner of the directory can create a directory and that newly created directory will be accessable to USERNAME
1210165472 M * sannes and you are saying that does not work?
1210165498 M * JonB USERNAME are not allowed to create new files in the newly created directory
1210165581 M * JonB i tested by su - USERNAME
1210165589 M * JonB  and a touch foobar
1210165741 M * sannes okay, lets just try this with a simple example and a new directory..
1210165792 M * sannes mkdir -p parent/no ; setfacl -m default:u:USERNAME:rwx parent/
1210165799 M * sannes mkdir parent/yes
1210165801 M * JonB i'll login
1210165833 M * sannes now su to USERNAME, .. you should be able to create files in parent/yes
1210165852 M * sannes and not in parent/no
1210165955 M * JonB sannes: that is correct
1210166101 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1210166127 M * JonB except that i try to make a file in the parent/ directoty
1210166154 M * sannes yes, but you have not given any rights for that 
1210166185 M * sannes then you have to add setfacl -m u:USERNAME:rwx parent/
1210166278 M * sannes Remember the defaults are for newly created files ..
1210166285 M * JonB oh
1210166298 M * sannes but does not give access to create files
1210166359 M * JonB thanks, it is working now
1210166408 M * sannes :P
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1210166864 Q * Guy- Read error: Connection reset by peer
1210166875 J * Guy- ~korn@elan.rulez.org
1210167211 P * pusling hest
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1210170919 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1210170922 M * Bertl back now ..
1210171043 J * bfremon ~ben@lns-bzn-54-82-251-125-96.adsl.proxad.net
1210171852 J * ybani ybanafa@82.114.184.244
1210171865 M * ybani Hello All
1210171875 M * daniel_hozac hi
1210172198 M * ybani I installed Quota-rpm on guest centos-5 (yum install quota) .. not working ! ? 
1210172229 M * Bertl did you setup the quota stuff on the host?
1210172327 M * ybani Bertl : hmm I do not know ..my vps hosting with openhosting.com
1210172357 M * Bertl okay, then you probably have to ask them to prepare the guest for you
1210172373 M * Bertl (to support quotas)
1210172415 M * ybani they told me will not work ..
1210172427 M * ybani in side ur vps
1210172458 M * Bertl well, that's wrong, it works perfectly fine, given that the guest is prepared properly
1210172482 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1210172487 M * Bertl but, if openhosting.com doesn't want to prepare the guest for you, you are out of luck
1210172537 M * ybani Bertl : I'll contact them now .. many thanks ++
1210172549 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1210172584 M * ybani I love Linux-vserver
1210172629 M * ybani Bye All
1210172634 M * Bertl cya
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1210173026 J * edlinuxguru ~edlinuxgu@216.223.13.111
1210173989 J * dna_ ~dna@135-202-dsl.kielnet.net
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1210177771 M * edlinuxguru I was wondering if anyone ever set this up. Using disk quotas you can limit the disk size of a vserver. Is it possible / does it make sense to have several vservers be grouped into one context, this way they can share the quota space?
1210177876 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1210177913 M * edlinuxguru Let me use the correct terminology DISK LIMITS. The idea above would make sense in a reseller type environment but seems slighly unnessesary.
1210178100 M * Bertl well, you can even do that with different contexts now
1210179120 M * daniel_hozac why would it make sense in a reseller type environment?
1210179136 M * daniel_hozac surely you'd want your customers to get _different_ quotas, so that one customer cannot interfere with another?
1210179157 M * Bertl but not if you are selling more than one guest to the same customer
1210179171 M * Bertl (and possibly grant a total quota)
1210179182 M * daniel_hozac well, that is a rather uncommon setup :)
1210179185 M * daniel_hozac but yes, that all works.
1210179500 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1210179590 M * edlinuxguru Yea Bertl you hit the nail on the head. You would be giving a quota for a group of servers. Customer X has 40 GB space to make as many VMs as they want.
1210179622 M * edlinuxguru How does it work though. Dont all vservers need a different context ID?
1210179635 M * daniel_hozac yes, but not necessarily a different tag.
1210179916 J * JW ~JW@cvs.claborn.net
1210180150 M * JW Hey I've copied a vserver to a new host machine and when I start it I'm getting apache "could not bind to address 10.0.0.30:80"
1210180151 M * JW errors
1210180164 M * JW even though I shut apache off on the host system to make sure it wasn' hogging the port
1210180168 M * Bertl is 10.0.0.30 available there?
1210180205 M * JW Ah, no it's not - let me check the problem
1210180303 M * JW Bertl: thanks, that fixed it. Amazing how just saying the problem to someone else gets things cleared up :-)
1210180313 M * Bertl perfect!
1210180361 M * edlinuxguru Like the say usually a Layer 1 problem
1210180372 M * JW Ok another Q: this probably doens't even matter but when I shut the guest down I get these two error: 
1210180378 M * JW "cat: /proc/cmdline: No such file or directory"
1210180388 M * JW "mount: permission denied"
1210180404 M * Bertl remove the parts of the shutdown scripts which try to do that :)
1210180418 M * Bertl usually some kill scripts in /etc/init.d
1210180462 M * edlinuxguru I have notices issues like that if /etc/init.d/vprocunhide is not running
1210180484 M * Bertl nah, that will keep you from _starting_ a guest
1210180517 M * Bertl acessing /proc/cmdline is forbidden
1210180741 M * JW Can each vserver have it's own 127.0.0.1 or would that be shared among all of them?
1210180757 M * daniel_hozac on 2.3, they do.
1210180758 M * JW I ask because I want to bind exim4 to localhost inside each one
1210180770 M * JW 2.3 - how can I check the version? I'm using the package from Debian stable
1210180770 M * Bertl lback is the magic word :)
1210180789 M * Bertl JW: well, with debian stable you are 3 years behind :)
1210180796 M * JW Yeah I know :-(
1210180819 M * JW is 2.3 the latest?
1210180825 M * Bertl backports might help, but I'm not sure they have vs2.3
1210180845 M * daniel_hozac nah, that's 2.2.
1210180881 M * JW 2.3 is development?
1210180889 M * Bertl yep
1210180893 M * JW ok
1210181208 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com
1210181455 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
1210181966 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
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1210184568 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1210185772 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ |stable 2.2.0.7, devel 2.3.0.34, grsec 2.2.0.7|util-vserver-0.30.215|libvserver-1.0.2|vserver-utils-1.0.3| He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we forget about the minute. 
1210185772 T * harry -
1210186060 J * hijacker ~Lame@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg
1210186302 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com
1210188480 M * wp how do i get rid of mount errors when shutting down a vserver in debian ?
1210188486 M * wp unmount errors
1210188486 M * wp :)
1210188500 M * wp umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount; like those
1210188507 M * Bertl remove the cause, i.e. the script doing the umount
1210188545 M * Bertl btw, this is done by default if you use recent util-vserver
1210188554 J * doener ~doener@i577BB842.versanet.de
1210188587 M * wp this box is completely up to date (Etch)
1210188607 M * wp do you perhaps know this script doing this?
1210188610 M * daniel_hozac that's like saying "i've got packages from 2006".
1210188622 M * Bertl wp: and your util-vserver is 0.30.215?
1210188646 M * wp 0.30.212-1
1210188659 Q * doener_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1210188659 M * Bertl see?
1210188673 M * wp ok, it's not in stable yet then. :)
1210188679 A * wp knows enough
1210188693 M * wp :P
1210188710 M * Bertl get recent ones from backports
1210188724 M * Bertl or get used to removing the scripts yourself :)
1210188753 M * wp ok
1210188755 M * wp thanks :)
1210188763 M * Bertl np
1210188997 M * wp 0.30.214-5~bpo40+2
1210189012 M * wp no 215 yet unfortunatly
1210189140 M * Bertl might want to contact the maintainer, but I guess 0.30.214 will be fine too
1210189157 M * wp ok, otherwise it's too bad ;)
1210189196 M * Bertl daniel_hozac might give you a hint how to rerun the post install script on your guests
1210189259 M * wp i hope so :P
1210189261 M * daniel_hozac DISTRIBUTION=lenny MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian /usr/lib*/util-vserver/distributions/debian/initpost /etc/vservers/<guest> /usr/lib*/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars
1210189261 M * ktwilight_ would "update-rc.d -f umount remove" do?
1210189377 M * Bertl would only fix part of it, I guess
1210189400 M * wp daniel_hozac: is it safe to use that in production?
1210189401 M * wp :)
1210189426 M * ktwilight_ or you can give SYS_ADMIN to the guest :)
1210189430 M * ktwilight_ which allows umount.
1210189439 M * wp great idea
1210189462 M * JW What is it that needs to be unmounted, anyway?
1210189475 M * JW It's it just trying to umount what it considers to be / ?
1210189500 M * Bertl it tries to unmount what's in /etc/mtab
1210189519 M * Bertl and /etc/mtab contains the guest side filesystems
1210189524 M * JW  /dev/hdv1 / ufs
1210189537 M * Bertl (which is required to make df and friends happy)
1210189538 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1210189544 M * JW What does that really represent - some sort of unioun mount?
1210189566 M * Bertl no, the / is a pure fake, filesystem is usually shared
1210189571 M * Bertl the /tmp is real
1210189574 M * JW yeah I thought so
1210189588 M * JW So the failed "umount" really isn't much of a "failure" anyway, right?
1210189593 M * ktwilight_ hm, so it's unsafe to not umount /tmp?
1210189615 M * Bertl no, it's safe not to unmount it
1210189626 M * JW ktwilight_: I fixed that problem by commenting out the ramfs /tmp
1210189633 M * JW 16MB of /tmp isn't enough anyway
1210189645 M * Bertl for sane apps/processes it is
1210189645 M * JW wp: I'm on Debian stable too
1210189654 M * wp JW: so you should have this issue also?
1210189668 M * JW wp: yes, I actually asked about it here a few hours before you did :-)
1210189682 M * JW Bertl: yeah, true, but I like to use /tmp for things like tarballs and sql dumps :-D
1210189700 M * Bertl why not use /var/tmp for that?
1210189707 M * wp http://www.pastebin.ca/1010998
1210189715 M * ktwilight_ wp, it's not good to enable SYS_ADMIN btw, you're opening up a whole can of worms.
1210189728 M * wp ktwilight_: i'm not planning to :P
1210189740 M * ktwilight_ :)
1210189750 M * JW Bertl: Are you kidding, I'd have to type ANOTHER letter to get into /var/tmp :-D
1210189767 M * ktwilight_ lazy admins :)
1210189770 M * JW heh
1210189774 M * Bertl actually at least two more keystrokes :)
1210189791 M * JW Yeah I forget the tab is a keystroke to so TWO more . . I mean 'cmon, that's askign too much! :-D
1210189810 M * wp JW: what did you do to fix it ? :)
1210189819 M * JW wp: I decided to ignore it :-D
1210189827 M * JW wp: since it apparently just doens't matter
1210189830 M * wp i think i'll do that also
1210189831 M * Bertl JW: definitely, and as long as you are not having a lot of guests on your system, removing the tmpfs is fine
1210189837 M * wp i never shut one down
1210189837 M * wp heh
1210189841 M * JW wp: and also because I hardly ever stop/start mine
1210189853 M * JW Bertl: yeah only a half dozen or so
1210189872 M * wp JW: how do you use vserver?
1210189879 M * wp per service another vserver or?
1210189887 M * JW I'm curious about umounting the /proc part though: what are the implications of not umounting the guests's /proc ? Nothing?
1210189911 M * Bertl no problem there, will go away magically when the namespace is disposed
1210189929 M * JW wp: I had a cluster of 1Us that provided a variety of functions for a ruby/rails based application server
1210189940 M * JW rails, apache, DB, svn, capistro, misc
1210189960 M * JW I consolidated them all into a bunch of vservers. For the most part they are all just web backends
1210189974 M * wp ah cool
1210189976 M * JW wp: but I have not found any problems with running multiple services inside each one
1210189993 M * Bertl less isolation, no problem there either
1210189993 M * wp i see
1210189998 M * JW I don't know why but it really tickles me to ssh into each one
1210190023 M * JW About 5 or 7 years ago,
1210190029 M * wp i splitted up per service, so i can upgrade each vserver separetly
1210190041 M * JW I tried to use SuSE + SELinux + some chrooot/jails stuff to make a sort of vserver,
1210190044 M * wp but i used to be on gentoo and now converting to debian
1210190049 M * JW I spent a ton of time on it and it was  HUGE mess :-)
1210190066 M * wp first bsd + jails
1210190070 M * JW The simplicity of vservers makes me exteremely happy :-D
1210190071 M * wp then gentoo + vserver
1210190075 M * wp and now debian + vserver
1210190081 M * JW :-)
1210190082 M * Bertl jails on steroids :)
1210190087 M * JW yeah
1210190094 M * wp indeed :)
1210190095 M * JonB Bertl: not LSD ?
1210190100 M * wp i still have one box to convert heh
1210190121 M * JW I'm now in the middle of moving the vservers to another host server
1210190133 M * wp JW: do you mount /usr from the guests to the hosts or just / and /tmp?
1210190137 M * JW I found out in the process that the debian copy of vserver-copy is quite broken
1210190139 M * wp i wonder why /tmp only has 16M?
1210190154 M * JonB wp: it is a ramfs
1210190165 M * JW Also that there's some misc muddle of inconsistency between defaulting to /vserver /vservers and /var/lig/vservers
1210190166 M * Bertl JW: with recent tools, you might want to try the rsync build method
1210190169 M * JW Even the man pages don't agree
1210190188 M * JW I'm not sure if it's Debian's orignial problem or came from upstream
1210190192 M * Bertl JW: well, /vservers is the canonical path, /var/lib/vservers is debian :)
1210190201 M * JW Bertl: I had that feeling
1210190205 J * bfremon ~ben@lns-bzn-32-82-254-21-228.adsl.proxad.net
1210190225 M * JW wp: I only have / and /proc
1210190232 M * JW wp:  no /tmp, no /usr
1210190236 M * JW keeps it simple
1210190253 M * Bertl wp: because it is kept entirely in memory
1210190255 M * JW There's a /dev/pts in there by default too
1210190269 M * JW wp: as Bertl said, 16 is probably enough.
1210190272 M * wp JW: you edit it by hand or can you make a template for a vserver?
1210190278 M * JW wp: also,you can easily make it bigger if you need
1210190290 M * JW wp: don't quite understand you, sorry
1210190291 M * wp yeah i understand :)
1210190299 M * Bertl wp: template is another build method, besides cloning a guest
1210190301 M * JW I edit the stuff under /etc/vservers by hand
1210190304 Q * bfremo1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1210190334 M * wp ok
1210190338 M * JW Bertl: the Debian vserver-copy script freaks out if it doesn't find /etc/vservers/SERVER.conf
1210190346 M * wp i just wonder how other people use this. :)
1210190352 M * JW Bertl: which does not even exist on my install
1210190364 M * JW and it doens't copy the /etc/vservers/SERVER_DIR
1210190367 M * JW at all
1210190399 M * Bertl JW: that's not part of the util-vserver package at all, not even the ancient debian one, right?
1210190410 M * JW Was vservers's config stored in a .conf file instead of a directory at some point in the past?
1210190422 M * Bertl JW: yes, roughly 4 years ago
1210190432 M * Bertl hmm, probably five
1210190435 M * JW Bertl: I don't mean litteraly SERVER.conf, just whatever matches the vservername .conf
1210190447 M * JW Ah so the copy script is out of date with the rest of the package
1210190464 M * daniel_hozac it's a legacy script.
1210190474 M * JW daniel_hozac: what's the modern one?
1210190480 M * JW or modern method?
1210190491 M * JW I ended up sying scp and rsync by hnad :-D
1210190513 M * Bertl the beforementioned clone or rsync method
1210190531 M * Bertl see 'vserver - build --help' for details
1210190546 M * JW I saw you say "rsync method" but didn't see any details. Thanks I'll look.
1210190682 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Building_Guest_Systems has a number of hints.
1210190745 M * JW daniel_hozac: thanks
1210190769 M * wp we need to rtfm more
1210190779 M * JW yes and no
1210190799 M * Bertl nah, nobody reads the FM, figuring out the details is half the fun :)
1210190804 M * JW yep
1210190816 M * wp as long as we're not an annoyance 
1210190817 M * wp :)
1210190827 M * JW If you have too much timeon your hands OR If you're a perfectionist and don't want to ask for help, then spend lots of time reading the manuals, by all means
1210190846 M * wp heh
1210190846 M * JW wp: my take is if someone on IRC doesn't want to answer user questions then they shouldn't be on IRC.
1210190863 M * JW or if they want to be anyway they can just ignore the people asking questions
1210190890 M * Bertl yep, exactly my opinion ...
1210190928 M * JW The only thing I can't stand is when someone come to IRC, asks for help, and won't follow a single instruction given to them. Now THAT is an annoying waste os someone else's time.
1210191012 M * wp im going to bed before i screw things up :)
1210191022 M * wp thanks and speak to you later
1210191027 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1210191036 M * JW bye wp
1210191065 M * JW /me must confess that he has still been using "newvserver" instead of "vserver build"
1210191079 A * ktwilight_ first time see Building_Guest_Systems!
1210191107 M * ktwilight_ ah, i see where it's parent is...
1210191111 A * ktwilight_ is amazed how he missed that
1210191155 M * JW Bertl: was it you that asked me to take newserver off my "howto" page? :-) I'll have to apologise for not doing it yet :-)
1210191195 M * Bertl probably, at least likely :) newvserver is a constant annoyance
1210191217 M * JW Because people come in here using it and asking questions?
1210191267 M * Bertl mostly because we have to fix stuff an irresponsible debian guy broke for hundreds of innocent users :)
1210191282 M * JW yeah.
1210191622 A * ktwilight_ was once a victom :(
1210191645 M * ktwilight_ uh, victim
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1210193766 M * hijacker night all
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1210194281 J * Aiken ~james@ppp118-208-54-233.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net
1210194999 M * infowolfe Bertl, still awake?
1210195004 M * Bertl yup
1210195010 M * infowolfe mind a privmsg?
1210195018 M * Bertl nope
1210195023 M * infowolfe :)
1210195156 M * JonB 7msg Bertl ASL? *lolcatz* 
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1210195781 M * JW Hey what's the proper way to shut down a guest anyway - run "halt" inside it first and then shut down from the host or just "vserver vserv1 stop" without shutting anything off "inside"?
1210195868 M * Bertl the stop should be fine
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1210199374 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1210199461 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1210203521 M * edlinuxguru http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Disk+Limits so it is suggested not to mount up the root / filesystem with tagxid. Is anyone doing this?
1210203534 M * daniel_hozac not that i know of.
1210203607 M * edlinuxguru It seems like the only option left is a loopback filesystem then. That pretty much defaults the purpose of tagxid i think
1210203640 M * daniel_hozac why can't you resize your root filesystem and create a new one?
1210203698 M * edlinuxguru It is a Remote system already partitioned. I know im nuts for doing this on a remote system. What cn i say I am a risk taker
1210203837 M * edlinuxguru I am doing some heavy eval on LVS and trying to get a handle on all the features. Most everything I want to use i can do remotely. This is the first gotcha I ran into.