1209513777 J * FireEgl FireEgl@adsl-212-220-64.bhm.bellsouth.net
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1209521691 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A1EB.access.telenet.be
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1209523364 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@p5B23F143.dip.t-dialin.net
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1209524436 Q * geb Quit: Quitte
1209526917 J * joelm ~joelm@60-234-209-43.bitstream.orcon.net.nz
1209531087 P * joelm 
1209531582 J * sharkjaw ~gab@64.28.12.166
1209533712 J * Slydder ~chuck@194.59.17.53
1209533760 M * Slydder morning all
1209533803 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74
1209533934 J * lwilke ~cklennard@e179198044.adsl.alicedsl.de
1209535401 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209536559 M * lwilke hi i just setup a vserver on debian 4.0 with the stock debian kernel. Adding a fstab.remote and trying to mount an nfs server fails without any error message. It just does not mount anything.
1209536585 M * lwilke do i have to grant any privileges when using fstab.remote?
1209536711 M * daniel_hozac does cat /proc/mounts inside the guest show it?
1209536755 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
1209536929 M * lwilke nope
1209536955 M * daniel_hozac are you sure it's even being mounted?
1209536970 M * daniel_hozac what does cat /etc/vservers/<guest>/fstab.remote show?
1209537031 M * lwilke ifs01:/export/archiv /import/archiv nfs rw,tcp,bg,intr,noauto 0 0
1209537100 M * lwilke in the logs of the nfs server is nothing
1209537200 M * lwilke is there a way to turn some logging on?
1209537217 M * daniel_hozac does vserver --debug <guest> start show it?
1209537417 M * lwilke there is a call to chbind but no results are displayed
1209537462 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1209538024 M * lwilke uh oh i cannot mount the nfs share from the host, too :) rpc timeout
1209538215 M * lwilke rpcinfo and showmount work *Sigh*
1209538231 M * daniel_hozac is portmap running on the host?
1209538475 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1209538524 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209538943 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org
1209539610 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1209539775 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1209539873 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209540369 J * pisco_ ~pisco@tor.noreply.org
1209540375 J * nK`oUUsHo ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1209540400 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net
1209540523 P * pisco_ 
1209540671 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209540754 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209541386 M * lwilke yes portmap is running. Boah i started a port scanner on the nfs server and now it works :) Don't know why though
1209541856 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1209542570 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving
1209542653 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.226.210.8
1209542997 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@213.91.163.5
1209542998 Q * hijacker Read error: Connection reset by peer
1209543897 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-103-252.dclient.hispeed.ch
1209543924 Q * yarihm 
1209543948 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1209544077 J * Linus ~lee@195.23.211.233
1209544111 A * Linus hi all :)
1209544154 Q * infowolfe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209544697 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-160-167-96.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1209545177 M * glen_ why util-vserver needs diet?
1209545328 M * daniel_hozac because glibc's nss is insecure when using chroots.
1209546266 M * Linus estimate for vserver 2.6.24 ??
1209546309 M * Linus someone knows ?
1209546554 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1209546562 M * Bertl morning folks!
1209546573 M * Linus hi Bertl 
1209546576 M * Bertl Linus: there is a patch for 2.6.25
1209546651 M * Linus where is that ?? 
1209546762 M * Linus Bertl, where i find it that patch??
1209546798 M * Bertl usual place: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/
1209546890 M * Linus tks Bertl :)
1209546895 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1209547099 M * JonB Linus: it comes when you start including vserver patches in the mainline kernel
1209547715 M * ard being absolutely paranoia, has anybody combined encfs with vserver? I never tried encfs, but I am thinking of moving *very* private data to a colocation, and as such I do not really trust my server :-)
1209547853 Q * Linus Read error: Connection reset by peer
1209548131 M * Bertl encfs being ecryptfs?
1209548170 M * daniel_hozac i use dm-crypt on one of my hosts.
1209548191 M * Bertl yes, dmcrypt works fine here too
1209548926 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-103-252.dclient.hispeed.ch
1209549286 A * ard was thinking about a file based encryption
1209549300 M * ard to encrypt a single guest on a shared partition...
1209549323 M * ard So that it will be hard to read it from the host (except if you do vserver...enter :-) )
1209549328 M * Bertl do you like the overhead a loopback mount has?
1209549349 M * ard But that a backup from the host can be correctly restored
1209549361 M * Bertl you can get the same 'security' with a dm setup
1209549368 M * ard In this case I do not mind the overhead. It's personal stuff, stuff that can be abused
1209549376 M * ard ah
1209549396 M * daniel_hozac yes, mount it in the guest's namespace only, and remove the STATE_ADMIN bit from the context.
1209549401 M * Bertl enable guest privacy, make sure to do the mount for the context
1209549558 M * ard anyway: encfs is a fuser implementation... You can make filebackups, but you have to have a key to read it :-)
1209549595 M * ard Because I *very* affraid of hosed filesystems when I can't decrypt a blockdevice ;-)
1209549600 M * ard +am
1209549619 M * Bertl ahem? you can make backups of the crypted device too, you know?
1209549620 M * daniel_hozac how's it different from a file?
1209549669 M * ard well, it only encrypts files, on top of an existing filesystem
1209549693 M * ard you can always read/write the filesystem, but you have to use encfs to get sane content
1209549696 M * Bertl ah, so you have a bunch of files, where you can tell what they contain
1209549718 M * Bertl which makes it simpler to guess the pass phrase, and/or type, yep?
1209549728 M * ard probably :-)
1209549751 M * Bertl like myporn00001.jpg :)
1209549766 M * ard If I am correct the filenames are also hashed ;-)
1209549791 A * ard is insanely paranoid about blockdevice corruptions
1209549796 M * ard since I made that happen once
1209549808 M * ard fsck.ext3 onto a 400G xfs partition
1209549813 M * Bertl well, if you have a blockdevice corruption, you file level data will not survive either
1209549830 M * Bertl but if you prefer the slow way, go ahead, np with that
1209549846 M * ard Heheh, I am als running twiki...
1209549852 M * ard That is the *slow* way ;-)
1209549871 M * ard hmmm, emphasize *is* not slow :-)
1209549923 M * ard anyway: it's for personal use, not for business... But I hate to see someone using my identity
1209549952 M * ard That happened once, and then they ask me money to let them sort it out
1209549981 M * ard although it was only minor... (someone borrowing 2000 euro, and have it register under my  name)
1209550066 M * ard Actually my only reason to colo my personal data is the amount of noise this server farm at home makes :-(
1209550279 J * besonen_mobile_ ~besonen_m@71-221-92-80.eugn.qwest.net
1209550284 Q * besonen_mobile Read error: Connection reset by peer
1209550630 Q * Punkie Quit: ...mizim...
1209552248 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@port-83-236-147-79.static.qsc.de
1209552749 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp92-101-20-94.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru
1209552785 Q * tobifix_ Quit: Leaving
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1209552846 J * Slydder ~chuck@194.59.17.53
1209552925 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net
1209553156 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209553795 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-signal-fix03.diff
1209553844 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: ESRCH is bad, as kill_pid_info will just retry indefinitely.
1209553853 M * Bertl ah, nice catch
1209553889 M * Bertl btw, that sounds like a nice way to hang a mainline kernel, no?
1209553907 M * Bertl (if there is a case to get ESRCH, that is)
1209553933 Q * dtbartle Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209553938 Q * mspang Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209553950 M * daniel_hozac yeah, but i don't think that's possible.
1209553993 M * daniel_hozac though... hmm.
1209554034 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp59-167-167-175.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1209554191 M * daniel_hozac should we make find_pid_ns limit results to tasks in the right context?
1209554217 M * daniel_hozac (wouldn't solve this particular issue, but i imagine kill <pid of a process in the host> hangs the machine too.
1209554313 M * Bertl nah, let's keep your fix for now ...
1209554341 M * Bertl my long term plans are to tweak the pid namespace into allowing init-less setups
1209554376 M * daniel_hozac i don't think that would be too hard.
1209554389 M * Bertl that's my feeling too
1209554497 J * dtbartle ~dtbartle@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
1209554509 J * mspang mspang@artificial-flavours.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
1209554620 M * daniel_hozac how do you want to integrate that? directly in the vc_ctx_create/migrate?
1209554624 J * mire ~mire@129-175-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1209554660 M * Bertl well, the namespace unsharing should work there
1209554692 M * Bertl we simply keep the host pid or move it to pid=1
1209554719 M * Bertl (or maybe start with pid=2 in the non-init case
1209554726 M * daniel_hozac in that case the pid namespace is created long before the context.
1209554741 M * Bertl which wouldn't hurt, would it?
1209554749 M * daniel_hozac well, it means we'd need an extra CLONE bit.
1209554758 M * daniel_hozac which IIRC are exhausted.
1209554776 M * Bertl unshare?
1209554784 M * daniel_hozac unshare doesn't work for the pid namespace.
1209554825 M * Bertl well, surely mainline will add a mechanism to use the pid space
1209554844 M * Bertl (probably an obscure one :)
1209554864 M * Bertl but maybe we can package that into the context creation too
1209554876 M * daniel_hozac well, you can clone(CLONE_NEWPID)
1209554903 M * Bertl so you are worried about the init-less special case, yes?
1209554913 M * daniel_hozac right.
1209554923 M * daniel_hozac pid 1 would already be occupied by the vserver-script.
1209554929 M * Bertl doesn't seem like a problem to me
1209554941 M * daniel_hozac well, actually, even the init case is problematic.
1209554964 M * Bertl nah, shouldn't be a problem, but userspace tools have to adjust
1209554970 M * daniel_hozac ah, nevermind, no. we're good.
1209555010 M * Bertl in the init-less case, the vserver script becomes pid=1, which is fine, then we declare that init can exit, and from there on, will be replaced by a dummy (for example)
1209555020 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving.
1209555037 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp59-167-167-175.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1209555054 M * Bertl (or not at all, if no blend-through-init is selected)
1209555256 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1209555820 J * ruskie_ ruskie@goatse.co.uk
1209555858 J * Bertl_ herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at
1209555859 J * _Radiance ~Radiance@193.16.154.187
1209555862 J * svenk ~sven@213.73.89.36
1209555864 J * Wonka_ produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de
1209555870 J * SpComb^_ terom@zapotek.paivola.fi
1209555885 J * simon ~simon@vegtastic.falafelexpress.se
1209555899 J * maddoc_ maddoc@social.ostruktur.com
1209555899 J * trippeh_ ~atomt@uff.ugh.no
1209555903 J * g_en__ ~glen@elves.delfi.ee
1209555905 J * pmjdebru1jn ~pmjdebrui@jester.pcode.nl
1209555906 J * fosco_ fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1209555908 Q * hijacker_ charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * glen_ charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * maddoc charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * pmjdebruijn charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * Genghis charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * simon_ charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * cehteh charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * eyck charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * Wonka charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * Radiance charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * fosco charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * svenk_ charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * trippeh charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * [PUPPETS]Gonzo charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * Bertl charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * ruskie charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * Q_ charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * meebey charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 Q * SpComb charon.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1209555908 N * Wonka_ Wonka
1209555911 J * eyck 4wR9Y4Um@nat05.nowanet.pl
1209555919 N * Bertl_ Bertl
1209555926 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@fellatio.deswahnsinns.de
1209555931 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@213.91.163.5
1209555942 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net
1209555957 J * Q_ ~kurt@d54C3F9BC.access.telenet.be
1209555985 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org
1209556007 N * ruskie_ ruskie
1209556132 J * Genghis ~Genghis@got.debian-inside.com
1209556158 N * Genghis Guest2385
1209556409 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209556428 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... bbl
1209556432 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1209556518 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1209556791 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.193.215
1209557794 N * fosco_ fosco
1209558453 M * ktwilight http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/util-vserver/browser/trunk/distrib/debian/vserver-config.sh?rev=2571 <- does that script still hold true? specifically on the removal of the rc?.d/$REMOVE_LINKS?
1209558479 M * ktwilight strangely, i don't see it on my util-vserver.deb :/
1209558554 M * ktwilight i find it strange that in a deb environment, .distributions have redhat and suse based scripts
1209558799 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving.
1209559774 N * SpComb^_ SpComb
1209559787 N * Guest2385 Genghis
1209559818 N * Genghis Guest2392
1209560869 Q * Medivh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209560926 M * lwilke hm, where do i find the linux-vserver version is there a version command or something to see the patch version?
1209560959 J * Linus ~lee@195.23.211.233
1209561078 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1209561096 M * Bertl lwilke: on mainline patches, the version is contained in the kernel name
1209561107 M * Bertl lwilke: e.g. 2.6.25-vs2.3.0.34.9
1209561123 M * Bertl for distro versions, you have to check the changelogs and/or ask the maintainer
1209561144 M * lwilke ok, thx
1209561205 J * tobifix ~tobifix@muedsl-82-207-236-144.citykom.de
1209561302 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1209561324 M * Bertl lwilke: for userspace, only the API version should be relevant, which can be gathered from /proc or via a syscall command
1209561466 M * lwilke which file in /proc?
1209561505 M * Bertl /proc/virtual/info
1209561586 M * Bertl ktwilight: are you using a debian package from backports?
1209561586 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209561630 M * ktwilight Bertl, am not. should i be?
1209561645 M * Bertl well, the one in stable is helplessly outdated
1209561656 M * ktwilight ack!
1209561664 A * ktwilight suicides in the corner
1209561672 M * ktwilight thanks
1209561682 M * Bertl just get the one from backports, should be fine
1209561713 M * lwilke 2.0.2.2 or something like that i just checked myself
1209561732 M * Bertl yep, that was the old stable release
1209561745 M * Bertl was replaced more than a year ago by 2.2.x
1209561804 M * lwilke well, it comes with etch. That is a stable release.
1209561824 A * ktwilight should have checked earlier
1209561864 M * Bertl lwilke: it's not really supported or updated anymore
1209562025 M * lwilke ok, but still when using the stable release on a server i have less hassle when running around and collecting more uptodate packages from whereever and hoping that everything together works stable. I just need this for a server which sits quiet in the corner _without_ needing much care. Therefor i think it is ok.
1209562059 M * lwilke But i admit it is tempting :)
1209562245 M * Bertl lwilke: for me it's perfectly fine if you use an outdated version
1209562262 M * Bertl I'm the last person who is telling anybody what to use :)
1209562311 M * lwilke :)
1209562317 Q * opuk Remote host closed the connection
1209563039 J * tobifix_ ~tobifix@muedsl-82-207-250-065.citykom.de
1209563393 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209563445 N * Guest2392 Genghis
1209563478 N * Genghis Guest2401
1209563489 Q * tobifix Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209563612 J * xxxxx ~lee@195.23.211.233
1209563763 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A1EB.access.telenet.be
1209563961 Q * Linus Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209564356 Q * docelic Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209564421 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.193.96
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1209566244 J * opuk ~kupo@2001:16d8:ffbd:100::10
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1209566861 J * tobifix ~tobifix@muedsl-82-207-250-065.citykom.de
1209567106 N * Guest2401 Genghis
1209567138 N * Genghis Guest2413
1209567189 Q * Punkie Quit: ...mizim...
1209567203 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-221-92-80.eugn.qwest.net
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1209567671 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1209569113 J * pisco ~pisco@tor.noreply.org
1209569956 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1209570769 N * Guest2413 Genghis
1209570808 N * Genghis Guest2418
1209571699 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209571778 N * Guest2418 Genghis-
1209572674 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169
1209573292 J * Linus ~Nuhx@bl7-129-80.dsl.telepac.pt
1209573310 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1209574276 J * [PUPPETS]Cook ~bgi|id@pD9EA29FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1209574280 M * [PUPPETS]Cook hi
1209574285 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1209574412 M * [PUPPETS]Cook is there a way to increase the timeout before remaining processes are kill on vserver stop?
1209574425 M * Bertl yep, it's an entry of the config
1209574428 N * Genghis- Genghis
1209574433 M * [PUPPETS]Cook oh realy?!
1209574440 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1209574444 M * Bertl check for timeout
1209574453 M * [PUPPETS]Cook the sync-timeout?
1209574462 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1209574468 N * Genghis Guest2428
1209574493 M * Bertl http://xkcd.com/416/ btw :)
1209574566 M * [PUPPETS]Cook is a restart needed to activate the new sync-timeout?
1209574575 M * daniel_hozac no.
1209574581 M * [PUPPETS]Cook perfect
1209574600 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1209574616 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1209574629 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i am not sure how often oracle is able to be killed
1209574648 M * Bertl the unbreakable version? :)
1209574668 M * [PUPPETS]Cook nope only a 9.2.0.6(something)
1209574755 M * [PUPPETS]Cook Bertl: i tried an other time to save the context-id-stuff with tar
1209574762 M * [PUPPETS]Cook it does not work
1209574776 M * Bertl not unexpected (unless you modified tar)
1209574778 M * [PUPPETS]Cook it does not matter how often i try
1209574801 M * [PUPPETS]Cook it was in my mind for a second
1209574815 M * Bertl but you _can_ backup the data if you mount the filesystem without tagging (and use one of the uid/gid taggings)
1209574838 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i done this before
1209574872 M * [PUPPETS]Cook its i bit scary if u restore on a tagged volume
1209574905 M * [PUPPETS]Cook and figure out all the funny uids/gids
1209574906 Q * mick_work Remote host closed the connection
1209574958 M * [PUPPETS]Cook is there a maximum value for the timeout
1209574964 M * daniel_hozac no.
1209574989 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i hope 1 hour i enough
1209574993 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i hope 1 hour is enough
1209575032 M * daniel_hozac wow. i assume that box is never going to be rebooted willingly.
1209575050 M * Bertl well, you should know an hour before :)
1209575077 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i only want orcale to shutdown all databases the smooth way
1209575103 M * [PUPPETS]Cook and 30sec is ways to short
1209575115 M * daniel_hozac make sure you have that ksplice thing in your kernel ;)
1209575134 M * [PUPPETS]Cook CONFIG_KSPLICE?
1209575163 M * daniel_hozac http://web.mit.edu/ksplice/
1209575227 M * daniel_hozac i guess it might not need any kernel patches.
1209575252 M * [PUPPETS]Cook please give me more information about it
1209575259 M * daniel_hozac follow the link.
1209575267 M * [PUPPETS]Cook and read?? ;)
1209575275 M * daniel_hozac for instance.
1209575281 M * [PUPPETS]Cook hmmm
1209575283 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i try
1209575286 M * [PUPPETS]Cook :)
1209575291 M * daniel_hozac you could pipe it through festival, if that makes you happier :)
1209575325 M * [PUPPETS]Cook should i know festival too?
1209575336 M * Bertl text2speech
1209575343 M * [PUPPETS]Cook hm
1209575368 M * [PUPPETS]Cook no thanks
1209575487 M * [PUPPETS]Cook hm
1209575513 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i think there was a news about it @ heise
1209575569 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1209575786 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1209575943 M * [PUPPETS]Cook hmpf
1209575948 P * jsambrook Leaving.
1209575956 M * [PUPPETS]Cook 6minutes is not enough
1209576052 M * [PUPPETS]Cook just another thing
1209576072 M * [PUPPETS]Cook if i execute df -h inside a guest
1209576084 M * [PUPPETS]Cook with actived dlimits and tagging
1209576085 M * Bertl are you sure that the database started a shutdown?
1209576103 M * [PUPPETS]Cook yep
1209576125 M * Bertl okay, because 6min is kind of extreme, even for larger databases
1209576149 M * [PUPPETS]Cook 5times 23GB and one time 60gb
1209576195 M * [PUPPETS]Cook theres no init-script for debian
1209576203 M * [PUPPETS]Cook so i wrote my own
1209576252 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i connect to each db an send a shutdown to the instance
1209576267 M * Bertl impressive
1209576278 M * [PUPPETS]Cook ?
1209576310 M * [PUPPETS]Cook do you want me to pastbin it?
1209576311 M * [PUPPETS]Cook :)
1209576316 M * Bertl you might want to tune the disk I/O, probably 90% of the shutdown time
1209576342 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i use a md-raid10 with sata disks
1209576345 M * Bertl iostat probably will confirm this
1209576368 M * Bertl oracle raw disk or a filesystem?
1209576397 M * [PUPPETS]Cook a vserver with oracle and dbs inside
1209576410 M * Bertl so on a filesystem then, which one?
1209576417 M * [PUPPETS]Cook ext3
1209576433 M * Bertl did you tune it for the raid? (stride and such)?
1209576468 M * [PUPPETS]Cook i dont thing so
1209576483 M * Bertl how many disks? software raid?
1209576496 M * [PUPPETS]Cook linux md
1209576500 M * [PUPPETS]Cook 4 disks
1209576518 M * Bertl did you configure the md with a bitmap? maybe external?
1209576551 M * [PUPPETS]Cook aehm
1209576554 M * [PUPPETS]Cook ?
1209576565 M * [PUPPETS]Cook just a normal --create
1209576571 M * Bertl np, I guess you have a bunch of new ideas to improve performance then :)
1209576598 M * [PUPPETS]Cook in other words?
1209576629 M * Bertl well, google for it, or hire somebody to tune your system
1209576665 M * [PUPPETS]Cook ok, i try google first
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1209584416 M * marl help, how do i get a guest to boot on host bootup? i cant find it on the site :(
1209584440 M * Bertl first, make sure that you have the proper util-vserver installed
1209584449 M * Bertl including the sysv init scripts
1209584457 M * marl vprocunhide?
1209584467 M * Bertl /etc/rc.d/init.d/vservers-default
1209584471 M * marl yup
1209584473 M * Bertl (for example)
1209584478 M * marl and legicy
1209584484 M * marl legacy rather!
1209584502 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1209584516 M * Bertl here you'll find the 'mark' entry
1209584548 M * marl yup, and put 'default' in the file?
1209584560 M * Bertl add 'default' there, and the guest will be started by the vservers-default script
1209584601 M * marl thanks bertl, i hav asked this one ages ago, but hadnt setup on this server, and just relised that all the guests were down, due to power cycle :(
1209584615 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1209584778 M * marl now all i got to do is work out why i cant get my new kernel to boot the new server :( i keep getting vfs unable to find root :(
1209584813 M * Bertl probably some driver to get access to the root device is missing (maybe in the initramfs)
1209584841 M * Bertl check in the boot log that the root device is successfully detected and mounted
1209584883 M * marl where can i get the boot log? as system hangs on the kernel panic, and i have to reboot to old kernel
1209584901 M * Bertl well, the lines _before_ the panic _are_ the boot log
1209584914 M * Bertl you usually record it via serial console (on a server)
1209585016 M * marl lol, i dont get any boot log lines then, the first one is the kernel panic, so i presume that meens that the kernel cant find the root fs
1209585046 M * Bertl no, your disto probably adds a 'quiet' boot argument
1209585061 M * Bertl so that you don't get confused by information :)
1209585264 M * marl ah, thanks, hadnt seen that in there
1209585277 M * Bertl np
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1209585497 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@e180221137.adsl.alicedsl.de
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1209586299 M * marl in my 2.6.24 bootable kernel i have a couple of modules that i cant find int he config file for 2.6.25, libata is one of them, is this normal?
1209586436 M * marl i cant understand why its not in the config file for 25 as i copied the 24 accross and ran make oldconfig :( am i rite in thinking that the config file holds ALL posible kernel config options, even if they are not confiugured?
1209586530 M * marl ok, now im REALY confiused!!! libata doesnt even apear in my 24 config file :( 
1209586789 M * daniel_hozac no, .config only contains the options you've set.
1209586994 M * marl how can i find all the posible options?
1209587365 M * daniel_hozac grep -Hr '^[[:space:]]*config ' . | awk -F: '$1 =~ /Kconfig.*/ { print $2 }' | awk '{ print "CONFIG_"$2 }'
1209587368 M * daniel_hozac or something like that.
1209587402 M * Bertl nah, won't work
1209587418 M * Bertl you have to grep through all the Kconfig(s)
1209587436 M * Bertl subtrees which are disabled will not show up in .config
1209587436 M * daniel_hozac that greps through the entire kernel tree :)
1209587454 M * Bertl hmm, nevermind :)
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1209593188 M * marl hooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa got the kernel installed and boot corectly :)
1209593213 M * daniel_hozac hehe
1209593318 M * marl ok, who was it last night was saying that they were using 2.6.25-vs-2.3.0.34 ?
1209593343 M * Bertl http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2008-04/
1209593444 M * marl tobifix, u about?
1209593599 M * marl ok, on the 13thfloor experimental page, does that contain the latest util-vserver? here is a dir there, but the files are dated 2005
1209593657 M * Bertl https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/util-vserver/
1209593679 M * daniel_hozac http://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/utils/util-vserver/
1209593719 M * Bertl never find that, always looking on people.*
1209593749 M * daniel_hozac hehe, those are just the pre-releases.
1209593775 M * marl will those work with the 2.3.0.34 ?
1209593798 J * mire ~mire@140-173-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1209593840 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.215? yes.
1209593853 M * marl thanks :)
1209593859 M * daniel_hozac it doesn't support all the features, but it'll definitely work.
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1209597887 M * tam Odd question... Can I hardlink files between vservers on the same filesystem?
1209597936 M * bonbons gtam: yes, you can, just beware that in this case one guest can modify the other guest's files...
1209597958 M * tam sweet!
1209597991 M * bonbons to protect yourself against this you can use vserver's COW feature (it uses the "immutable" flag for files to restrict permitted operations)
1209598114 M * tam the cross modification would only be possible for the files hardlinked, right?
1209598165 M * bonbons yep (or common mount-points of course)
1209598170 M * tam I'm exporting a list of my hosted domains to my secondary server via http, but there is no httpd on my nameserver vserver... this is perfect to link a file from the nameserver to the webserver.
1209598266 M * Bertl a read only bind mount would be more secure
1209598274 M * bonbons what you could also do to allow writing for one guest but not for the others is using bind-mounts, mounting the appropriate places RO or RW
1209598286 M * Bertl other options are rsync or scp of course
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1209598426 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1209598431 M * tam thanks!
1209598433 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ