1207440311 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-133-107.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net 1207441713 Q * xdr Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207444000 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1207444097 J * cryptronic ~oli@p54A39521.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1207444443 Q * cryptroni1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207445619 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1207447133 M * Bertl_oO k, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1207447139 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1207449628 Q * Infinito Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207460334 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207461280 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207462301 J * doener ~doener@i577BA70E.versanet.de 1207463423 J * marv ~marv@modemcable127.218-57-74.mc.videotron.ca 1207463427 N * marv marv- 1207463784 M * marv- d'uh lol i came here because i was missing /dev/vroot[X] the vroot module wasnt evean loaded on the host... 1207463800 M * marv- thx neways i guess :P lol 1207463813 A * marv- salutes Bertl_zZ && daniel_hozac 1207463857 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1207464502 Q * friendly12345 Quit: Leaving. 1207464894 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207466392 M * marv- quotacheck: Scanning /dev/hdv1 [/] quotacheck: error (22) while opening /dev/hdv1 1207466401 M * marv- ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/973694 1207466535 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp78-37-192-15.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1207466942 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207467304 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-2-200.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1207467722 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207470253 J * dna ~dna@76-192-dsl.kielnet.net 1207470774 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1207470939 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann 1207470962 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207470975 Q * JonB 1207471449 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1207474965 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1207476396 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1207479503 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@87.66.192.102 1207479718 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207479766 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host153-177-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1207479883 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-133-107.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net 1207479907 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207480829 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1207480836 M * Bertl morning folks! 1207480862 Q * mrfree Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207481372 M * nox hi Bertl 1207482799 M * marv- g'morning Bertl 1207482951 J * mire ~mire@162-174-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1207483201 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host153-177-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1207483542 P * friendly12345 1207483573 J * yarihm ~yarihm@222-49-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch 1207484023 M * marv- Bertl, did you have your cofee yet? 1207484046 M * Bertl hehe, yeah, I got my caffeine already :) 1207484057 M * marv- quotacheck: Scanning /dev/hdv1 [/] quotacheck: error (22) while opening /dev/hdv1 1207484057 M * marv- ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/973694 1207484062 M * marv- can you have a quick look at that 1207484127 M * Bertl you want to change the ext3 to ufs 1207484138 M * Bertl (in the mtab, to fool the tools :) 1207484150 M * marv- thats it? 1207484161 M * marv- lol and i red that in an irc log i found on google 1207484167 M * marv- i was sure that wasnt the issue 1207484169 M * Bertl usually yes, quota tools always try to get direct device access 1207484218 N * julius_ julius 1207484267 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1207484290 M * dreamind Hi :) 1207484305 N * dreamind Guest773 1207484461 N * Guest773 dreamind 1207484484 M * dreamind can somebody tell me if the latest experimental vserver patch works with xfs? (the patch for 2.6.24) 1207484600 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207484683 M * pmjdebruijn dreamind: why wouldn't it? 1207484698 M * pmjdebruijn dreamind: it also depends if you want to use xidtags.... 1207484702 M * dreamind because in some prepatch version it didn't work 1207484704 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-57-166.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr 1207484707 M * dreamind no I never used xidtags 1207484829 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1207484831 M * pmjdebruijn then it'll probably work 1207484843 M * pmjdebruijn the question is whether you want to run a non-release version at all 1207484878 M * marv- playing devel is always fun :) 1207484937 J * ftx__ ~ftx@dslb-084-060-236-095.pools.arcor-ip.net 1207484972 M * dreamind well yes I want to run that version on my workstation, and check it out before its actually released, so I can later reduce the testing for the actual release ;) 1207484981 M * dreamind or whatever - something like this ;) 1207485368 Q * ftx_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207485440 M * marv- Bertl, thx... works 1207485504 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1207485953 M * marv- mmmmm no doesnt work 1207485960 M * marv- the quotacheck works fine... but 1207486128 M * Bertl how did you add the file to the config's fstab 1207486166 M * marv- "the file" ? 1207486193 M * marv- you mean the /etc/vservers//apps/init/mtab? 1207486418 M * daniel_hozac but what? 1207486426 M * marv- hi dan 1207486428 M * daniel_hozac what does cat /proc/mounts show on the host? 1207486478 M * marv- /dev/sda7 /home ext3 rw,tag,data=ordered 0 0 1207486482 M * marv- thats probably the line you want to see 1207486494 M * daniel_hozac i don't see usrquota,grpquota :) 1207486502 M * marv- the host needs it too? 1207486506 M * daniel_hozac you probably don't want to use tag there either. 1207486508 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1207486520 M * marv- well if i dont use tag how do i use dlimits? 1207486525 M * daniel_hozac you don't. 1207486543 M * daniel_hozac but since quotas require a separate filesystem per guest anyway, dlimits aren't too interesting. 1207486544 M * marv- so i'll have to do it via the quotas... 1207486604 M * marv- dang and i bet my boxers that i can't remount /home without restarting the vservers running in it right... 1207488221 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1207489334 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.249.cust.blixtvik.net 1207490140 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34 1207490442 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1207490549 J * mire ~mire@162-174-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1207490957 Q * balbir__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207491440 J * hijacker ~Lame@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg 1207491552 Q * mrfree Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207491667 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1207491753 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207492733 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207493658 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207493817 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207493820 J * Cookie_ ~bgi|id@pD9EA3924.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1207493827 M * Cookie_ hi 1207493837 M * Bertl welcome Cookie_! 1207493882 M * Cookie_ just a question about your experimental patch 1207493928 M * Cookie_ compiling fails in fs/ocfs2/super.c 1207493992 M * Bertl yep, known issue 1207493993 M * Cookie_ but i cant see anything 1207493996 M * Cookie_ hm 1207493998 M * Cookie_ ok 1207494031 M * Cookie_ so i should disable ocfs2 and retry? 1207494033 M * Bertl sec, let me see if I can find the patch 1207494078 M * Bertl http://zz.iapt.pl/vserver-ocfs2-mount_opt.patch 1207494106 M * Bertl the next version has it fixed (i.e. already fixed here in my tree) 1207494139 M * Cookie_ thank you 1207494149 M * Cookie_ iŽll give it a try ;) 1207494157 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1207494176 M * Cookie_ are there any other known issues? 1207494399 J * eyck fZ4d31de@nat06.nowanet.pl 1207494432 M * Bertl yes, we fixed a leases issue already, and the patch is still incomplete 1207494863 M * Cookie_ seams to work now 1207494864 M * Cookie_ :) 1207494902 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207495898 J * lifeforms ~walter@tau.lfms.nl 1207495940 M * Cookie_ Bertl, which utils should i use? 1207496698 M * lifeforms Hi, I apologize for a very basic question.. but I'm trying to choose between loadbalancing software and/or hardware, and I'm wondering if LVS can act as a HTTP-loadbalancer on my 2 webservers (instead of adding an extra 'loadbalancing layer' of servers to distribute requests to the real servers) 1207496708 M * lifeforms I assume it probably does, but... 1207496790 J * eyck hNY04LjT@nat05.nowanet.pl 1207496825 M * Cookie_ i not quite sure, but i think you mix up linux-vserver whit linux virtual server 1207496834 M * lifeforms whoops 1207496841 M * Cookie_ i not quite sure, but i think you mix up linux-vserver with linux virtual server 1207496842 M * lifeforms yes, I am :) 1207496851 M * lifeforms I'm so sorry! 1207496868 M * Bertl Cookie_: in general, the latest are advised (currently 0.30.215) 1207496869 M * Cookie_ never mind :) 1207496889 M * Bertl lifeforms: no problem, not the first time ... 1207496897 M * Cookie_ i tried, but configure crashes 1207496902 M * Bertl lifeforms: maybe you just founda 'new' project 1207496910 M * Bertl Cookie_: how so? 1207496923 M * Cookie_ darum :) 1207496924 M * Cookie_ configure: error: internal error 1207496956 M * lifeforms this was the best hit for my query :') 1207497006 M * Cookie_ lifeforms, i use linux-vserver for fail-over scenarios 1207497075 M * Cookie_ but i didnt try to use active-active-cluster with LB 1207497085 M * Bertl Cookie_: internal error sounds like a problem with your tools? 1207497092 M * lifeforms I always used heartbeat, but now I really need both to be active 1207497110 M * Cookie_ hm 1207497117 M * lifeforms well, the customer does :') 1207497148 M * Cookie_ do i need vserver caps to build the tools? 1207497151 M * mc LVS can do loadbalancing, but afair it doesnt know about l5-8, so youll distribute sessions over both backends 1207497211 M * lifeforms hmm, I don't know if the customer app keeps state (other than the DB) 1207497226 M * lifeforms *are* there software products which do this? 1207497242 M * Bertl Cookie_: please check with daniel_hozac, when he's around 1207497258 M * mc yes, but they are in user- rather than kernelspace (AFAIK ;) 1207497269 M * mc and before you ask, i know no names. :) 1207497281 M * lifeforms tnx :) 1207497316 M * Cookie_ rebooted into the vserver kernel doesnt solve the problem :( 1207497351 Q * xdr Quit: leaving 1207497384 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B2559D.dip.t-dialin.net 1207497403 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207497409 M * Cookie_ funny thing 1207497425 M * Cookie_ debian lenny has 30.215 inside :) 1207497640 M * Bertl ah, ubuntu? :) 1207497700 M * Cookie_ nope 1207497704 M * Cookie_ pure debian 1207497707 M * Cookie_ :) 1207497767 Q * hijacker Quit: Leaving 1207497780 M * Bertl so, 0.30.215 gives you an internal error on configure (on debian?) 1207497808 Q * julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207497811 M * Cookie_ right, but i installed the package from debian 1207497822 M * Bertl okay :) 1207497838 M * Cookie_ now i try to build a server 1207497840 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com 1207497854 M * Cookie_ hope it works 1207497856 M * Cookie_ :) 1207498199 M * Cookie_ nice 1207498204 M * Cookie_ it is runnig 1207498207 M * Cookie_ it is running 1207499248 Q * doener Quit: leaving 1207499781 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving 1207500517 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207500654 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1207501189 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207501378 J * eyck Iftoedt2@nat06.nowanet.pl 1207501378 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@207.190.35.219 1207501486 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1207501599 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1207501971 Q * arachnist Quit: brb 1207501979 J * arachnist arachnist@plzdie.kthxbai.pl 1207503613 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1207504478 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated! 1207505914 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1207506836 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host153-177-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1207507498 Q * mrfree Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207508323 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207508437 N * DoberMann DoberMann[Flim] 1207508721 Q * julius_ Remote host closed the connection 1207509071 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@77.75.164.169 1207509268 J * Julius ~julius@p57B2559D.dip.t-dialin.net 1207509271 Q * Julius Read error: Connection reset by peer 1207510484 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1207510494 J * lukasGraf ~lukas@80-219-145-93.dclient.hispeed.ch 1207510498 M * lukasGraf Hi everyone! 1207510536 M * lukasGraf I'm having the problem, that my vserver guest's entropy pool is nearly empty, preventing an application from generating crypto certs 1207510550 M * lukasGraf # cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail -> ~100 1207510573 M * lukasGraf Is there a way I can feed entropy back to /dev/random? 1207510579 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-24-62.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1207510757 M * lukasGraf Actually, the entropy pool on the host is low as well 1207510784 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1207510987 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207511523 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207511527 M * DavidS lukasGraf: there is only one pool for everyone 1207511538 M * lukasGraf Jep, I just noticed that 1207511545 M * DavidS try using a hardware RNG if possible 1207511552 M * lukasGraf Not an option :-/ 1207511574 M * lukasGraf I already had a look at entropy generating daemons 1207511596 M * lukasGraf But EGD and PRNGD don't seem to be able to feed entropy back to /dev/random 1207511638 M * lukasGraf At the moment I need to resort to generating loads of disk IO :/ 1207511727 M * PowerKe and you also can't use urandom for your purposes? 1207511753 M * DavidS PowerKe: lukas said "crypto certs" 1207511753 Q * FireEgl Quit: Leaving... 1207511755 M * lukasGraf I would like to, but I don't know how 1207511767 M * lukasGraf I don't actually care about strong security in this case 1207511772 M * DavidS lukasGraf: in the worst kase "ln -sf urandom random" 1207511774 M * DavidS case 1207511781 M * lukasGraf I already tried that.. 1207511790 M * lukasGraf # mv /dev/random /dev/random.old ; ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random 1207511823 M * lukasGraf (I just want to give an alpha version of bongo a test drive, no need for strong security yet) 1207511823 M * PowerKe You could try to increase the poolsize, if there's enough delay between the reads 1207511839 M * lukasGraf ah, that sounds good 1207511846 M * lukasGraf Default is 4096, right? 1207511882 M * PowerKe I though it's a lot smaller by default 1207511896 M * PowerKe hmm, no, you're right 1207511902 Q * mick_work Remote host closed the connection 1207511909 M * lukasGraf kernel.random.poolsize = 4096 1207511923 M * lukasGraf At least for my box.. 1207511949 M * lukasGraf "This was recently increased from 512 bytes to 4096 bytes. This /proc file, and sysctl, is read-only, and can not be changed without hard coding it in the kernel." 1207511967 M * lukasGraf Ouch.. Didn't want to change my kernel config just for testing an application.. 1207512007 M * lukasGraf But this limit isn't reached anyway I think, it's always around a couple hundred 1207512078 M * lukasGraf I still don't get how this seems to be an issue with virtualization (Xen, etc.. seem to have similar problems). 1207512244 J * dalcio mujvwj@200.97.14.230 1207512272 M * PowerKe virtualization doesn't change anything by itself, the random pool gets filled as fast as usual 1207512287 M * Bertl lukasGraf: what's the problem? 1207512291 M * PowerKe however, you might be running a daemon that reads from the random pool multiple files, thus reaching the limit sooner 1207512298 M * PowerKe *multiple times 1207512305 M * lukasGraf Bertl, I'm running low on entropy 1207512313 M * lukasGraf Resp. my VServer ;) 1207512318 M * Bertl well, that's simple to solve, no? 1207512339 M * lukasGraf 1135084555 M * Bertl get some monkey to jump up and down on the keyboard ... 1207512343 M * Bertl add entropy to the system ... as much as you can 1207512350 M * lukasGraf Bertl, you mean that solution? :) 1207512369 M * Bertl yes, kind of .. a sound card IMHO is a nice alternative too 1207512376 M * lukasGraf Yeah, the problem is, it's a server. So no soundcard, no keyboard, all I can do is generate disk IO 1207512376 P * dalcio [CyberScript] 1207512401 M * Bertl lukasGraf: no problem either, generate the entropy at home :) 1207512416 M * Bertl then, send it over via rsync/ssh 1207512424 M * lukasGraf Are you serious? :D 1207512434 M * lukasGraf Would that work? 1207512438 M * Bertl sure, why not? 1207512453 M * lukasGraf How exactly would I do that? Just cat into /dev/random? 1207512456 M * Bertl you can even collect entropy in a static file 1207512476 M * Bertl i.e. generate some in advance, in case you need some ... 1207512487 M * lukasGraf Hmm, that makes total sense, I just wasn't aware the interfaces exist for that 1207512516 M * Bertl actually most distros use those interface on bootup 1207512529 M * lukasGraf So cat reasonably_random_file > /dev/random should work? 1207512579 M * Bertl yep, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urandom 1207512606 M * PowerKe But is that possible with random as well? 1207512630 M * Bertl the part I'm referring to is actually about /dev/random not urandom 1207512662 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207512680 M * lukasGraf hm... 1207512728 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1207512742 M * DavidS "It is also possible to write to /dev/random. This allows any user to mix random data into the pool. Non-random data is harmless, because only a privileged user can issue the ioctl needed to increase the entropy estimate." 1207512882 M * lukasGraf # for i in {0..500}; do cat bigfile > /dev/random; done 1207512901 M * lukasGraf However, entropy_avail still is around a couple hundred 1207512960 M * lukasGraf Or am I just to impatient? 1207513020 M * PowerKe I think the key part is that it mixes it in the pool, but doesn't use the data directly 1207513051 M * lukasGraf Ah, so I would still need to issue that ioctl? 1207513057 M * Bertl first, it's very likely that some processes are waiting for the new entropy already (and thus consuming it immediately) 1207513083 M * Bertl second, most files give bad entropy (even the large ones) 1207513107 M * lukasGraf h 1207513110 M * lukasGraf ah, ok 1207513134 M * Bertl and finally, yes, you need an ioctl to get the values updated 1207513163 M * Bertl (see your favorite distro's random initialization) 1207513226 M * PowerKe Init scripts only see to save/load for urandom, not random 1207513288 M * lukasGraf Yep, same here (Gentoo Linux) 1207513351 M * PowerKe Maybe this is something: http://linux.die.net/man/8/rngd ? 1207513425 M * lukasGraf ah! 1207513447 Q * lifeforms Quit: leaving 1207513448 M * PowerKe It's in rng-tools package 1207513457 M * lukasGraf That seems to be very similar to http://www.cryogenius.com/hardware/rng/read_rng.c 1207513466 M * lukasGraf Which I just used, with /dev/urandom as input 1207513488 M * lukasGraf And voil?, 4000 Bytes (Bits?) of entropy available :) 1207513507 M * lukasGraf Which is beeing consumed again rather quickly :D 1207513540 M * lukasGraf Ok, but I think I can take it from here. Thanks for your help everybody! 1207513990 M * DavidS . o O { I'd really like to have something to audit /dev/random usage } 1207514007 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1207514063 M * Bertl lukasGraf: btw, you might just have discovered a new niche .. selling random data to customers in need :) 1207514079 M * lukasGraf *G* 1207514099 M * lukasGraf Collecting it, buring it on DVD-ROM and shipping it for exorbitant prices? Why not? :) 1207514108 M * Bertl if you make big money with that, please donate some of it to the project :) 1207514118 M * lukasGraf IF I do, I will do so ;) 1207514172 M * lukasGraf However, even if I don't, a donation is already appropriate.. Happy Vserver user for quite a few years :) 1207514283 J * dna ~dna@47-227-dsl.kielnet.net 1207514340 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-192-61.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1207514418 Q * ftx__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207514486 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1207515070 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host153-177-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1207515104 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1207516144 J * Infinito ~argos@200-101-44-121.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br 1207516983 J * Cook_ ~bgi|id@pD9EA2B72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1207516997 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1207517398 Q * Cookie_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207517483 Q * lukasGraf Quit: Leaving 1207518344 J * ritter__ ~lownoize@p5B074CC3.dip.t-dialin.net 1207518666 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1207518736 N * DoberMann[Flim] DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1207518786 Q * ritter_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207519221 Q * Cook_ Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.11 :: www.regroup-esports.com ) 1207519644 Q * Infinito Quit: Leaving 1207520606 M * ard Hmmmm 1207520619 A * ard doesn't like the fair use scheduler based on uid 1207520703 M * ard it thinks it's fair to give dnetc with a niceness of 19 only 50% of the cpu, if I have something High priority to do like compiling :-( 1207520858 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1207520868 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1207521272 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1207521306 N * dreamind Guest818 1207521337 N * Guest818 dreamind 1207522208 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1207522631 J * Infinito ~argos@200-101-44-121.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br 1207524268 Q * mrfree Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1207524651 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1207524958 Q * Piet Quit: Piet