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1203294800 N * Nuhks Linus
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1203302372 J * Infinito ~argos@201-2-46-198.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1203302539 Q * xdr Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1203303584 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1203305095 J * xdr ~xdr@225-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se
1203306529 J * quasisane ~sanep@c-76-118-191-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net
1203308702 J * dna ~dna@54-233-dsl.kielnet.net
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1203309449 J * doener_ ~doener@i577B9533.versanet.de
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1203311325 P * Solaris satan made me do it
1203313525 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1203314217 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1203315312 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1203318983 M * Slydder morning all
1203320344 M * hijacker_ morning
1203320927 J * kaner_ kaner@zzz.strace.org
1203320939 Q * kaner_ 
1203322532 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1203322926 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1203323209 M * gebura hi
1203327187 N * ensc Guest401
1203327187 Q * Guest401 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1203327196 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.182.26
1203328641 J * Freax ~Nuhks@195-23-211-133.net.novis.pt
1203328660 A * Freax hi :D
1203328666 N * Freax NuHx
1203329893 M * matti Morning folks :-)
1203329900 M * JonB hi
1203330020 J * Julius ~julius@p57B26C61.dip.t-dialin.net
1203330033 Q * NuHx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203330883 Q * Linus Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1203332884 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1203333231 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.218.163
1203334961 J * xstasi ~xstasi@ip-139-171.sn2.eutelia.it
1203334963 M * xstasi hi :)
1203334988 M * xstasi anyone knows when vserver+grsec for 2.6.24 is planned for release?
1203335046 M * maddoc xstasi: 2.6.22.18 is patched, if that's why you want it.
1203335055 Q * hijacker_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1203335071 M * xstasi maddoc, wrong, i want 2.6.24 because of its builtin support for domU under xen
1203335087 M * maddoc Ah, cool.
1203335094 M * xstasi so i can have a domU with grsec and vserver, thing that i can't do without 2.6.24
1203335110 M * xstasi so... any clues?
1203335140 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.24 needs a lot of work. not a whole lot of manhours right now, so... will probably take some time.
1203335168 M * xstasi aww.. this linux refactoring is driving quite everyone nuts
1203335226 M * xstasi grsec is already out.... but on #debian they were refusing to help me with making a jail unless i was using vserver.. 
1203335237 M * xstasi looks like makejail is for losers :)
1203335247 M * JonB xstasi: cant you backport what you need to 2.6.22.18 ?
1203335261 M * xstasi JonB, backport what? Xen domU support?
1203335277 M * JonB xstasi: yes
1203335289 Q * padde Remote host closed the connection
1203335295 M * xstasi i wouldn't even know where to begin
1203335357 M * JonB xstasi: why is it you need xen anyway when you have vserver?
1203335365 J * padde ~padde@patrick-nagel.net
1203335377 M * trippeh Xen is a massive undertaking to back/forward port
1203335379 M * xstasi does vserver make an isolation like that of xen's paravirt? :)
1203335384 M * daniel_hozac JonB: that's like asking why you want a porsche when you have a boat already.
1203335419 M * JonB daniel_hozac: i dont agree with that comparison
1203335452 M * JonB xstasi: then run alot xen machines rather than a few xen and some vserver gusts
1203335453 M * xstasi JonB, i do, since a porsche isn't necessarily better than a boat, but you can't sail on a porsche and rally with a boat
1203335505 M * JonB xstasi: no, but you can run everything as xen guests if you want to
1203335516 M * xstasi JonB, can you have a Xen guest without bash?
1203335540 M * xstasi my definition of a jail: the demon, its files, its libraries, stop. period.
1203335545 M * JonB xstasi: yeah, you can use tcsh ;-)
1203335550 M * xstasi a jail is not like a full distribution
1203335559 M * xstasi JonB, you know what i mean, don't kid me :)
1203335591 M * xstasi "normal" non-vserver jails would have been ok for me, but it seems they're quite a PITA to manage
1203335642 M * JonB xstasi: i do see your point, but it looks like you cant get what you want right now
1203335655 M * xstasi this is making me really sad.
1203335663 M * daniel_hozac Debian has xen-vserver kernels.
1203335688 M * xstasi please, renounce to cuddling your sons, eating your meals and sleeping your nights, and patch against 2.6.24. you don't wanna make me cry, do you?
1203335691 M * xstasi daniel_hozac, they don't have grsec
1203335706 M * xstasi a chroot without grsec is a jail made of bubble gums instead of iron
1203335726 M * daniel_hozac uh, do you know what Linux-VServer is?
1203335739 M * xstasi doesn't it chroot?
1203335751 M * JonB xstasi: cant you apply the grsec patches then?
1203335755 M * trippeh xstasi: grsec locks down *root* in a chroot. But you dont run your chroot'ed deamons as root, do you?
1203335761 M * xstasi JonB, not on full xen kernels.
1203335796 M * daniel_hozac xstasi: yes... but it also makes that chroot secure.
1203335796 M * xstasi trippeh, no, but if someone has the next-l33t-0day-something-localroot, which is very possible on Linux, he can escape with an embarassing ease
1203335804 M * xstasi daniel_hozac, how does it?
1203335835 M * xstasi daniel_hozac, vserver is shipped with a grsec patch... there must be a reason for it
1203335854 M * trippeh xstasi: Without suid binaries in the chroot you'd have to attack the kernel. If you get access to that area of the system all bets are off.
1203335933 M * xstasi trippeh, an exploit which could bypass grsec's enforcements automatically before breaking a chroot is something a human can't write, and if they can, i'll give them my root password by phone and bow to them
1203335947 M * xstasi instead, on a "normal" chroot, any scripty-kiddiot can break out
1203336302 P * friendly12345 
1203336363 M * xstasi out for lunch, talk to you later :)
1203337607 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1203338017 M * doener_ Bertl: IIRC you've been using multi-gnome-terminal "back then", right?
1203338265 M * doener_ because it seems to get resurrected http://foolab.org/node/1734
1203340955 J * Linus ~nuhks@bl7-146-123.dsl.telepac.pt
1203344306 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1203344812 N * esa eSa|
1203345593 Q * Slydder Read error: Connection reset by peer
1203345633 J * Slydder ~chuck@194.59.17.53
1203345724 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp78-37-177-83.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru
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1203346691 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1203347960 J * Infinito_ ~argos@200-140-155-83.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1203349136 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1203349982 Q * Infinito_ Remote host closed the connection
1203351068 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1203353074 M * Bertl doener_: nice! I'm still using it, btw ...
1203353121 M * Bertl morning folks!
1203353134 M * Mooo *yyyyaaawwwnnnn*
1203353169 M * Mooo indeed.
1203353359 Q * gebura Quit: Quitte
1203353527 M * doener_ Bertl: ah! so I recalled correctly :-)
1203353616 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@166.129.25.218
1203353635 M * doener_ Bertl: how are things?
1203353718 M * Bertl not so bad .. still a lot of stuff to move/do (with the new location)
1203353768 M * doener_ but you're already feeling "at home", yeah?
1203353816 M * Bertl definitely .. everything I need is here ... somewhere ... in a box :)
1203353846 M * doener_ :-) that's what's important
1203353968 M * Bertl doener_: and you? haven't heard much from you in the last year?
1203354039 M * doener_ mostly fine, "decided" to catch a cold yesterday, but well ;-)
1203354067 M * doener_ been quite busy with rl, finally started working towards finally finishing studies
1203354115 M * doener_ also started to hang out in #git alot and continued my occassional "oh, this bug looks interesting" lkml appearances
1203354134 M * harry sad day today...
1203354145 M * harry i have to move all vserver hosts to vmware esx :(
1203354160 M * harry they seem to have found a spare billion euros to fund it all
1203354164 M * Bertl harry: so you got brand new machines and much more?
1203354179 M * doener_ pretty mutt jumping from this to that all the time, not much focus
1203354183 M * harry Bertl: as much ibm ds8100 san disks as i want
1203354188 M * harry + as much netapp storage as i wan
1203354189 M * harry t
1203354202 M * harry and as many dual quad core blades with as much memory as i want
1203354205 M * harry so: yes
1203354243 M * Bertl sounds good, do what they want, leave two machines for your own Linux-VServer setup .. :)
1203354253 J * newz2000 ~matt@75-170-147-223.desm.qwest.net
1203354261 M * harry Bertl: i will... 2 dell PE 6850's
1203354293 M * harry quad dualcore hyperthreaded, 16GB ram and 5x146GB 15krpm disks and 6x Gbit nics
1203354350 Q * hardwire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203354456 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1203354488 A * waldi .o0( 8 core, 4 threads each, 32G ram ... )
1203354524 M * harry ?
1203354545 M * harry believe me... my job isn't fun anymore
1203354557 M * harry doesn't matter how much it costs... you can get EVERYTHING here
1203354568 M * JonB harry: get a new job?
1203354572 M * harry but they can't pay us more, becuase icts is too expensive
1203354575 M * harry i'm looking ;)
1203354589 M * newz2000 harry: you need 1 less disk and 4 less nics. Then you'd have 2 nics, 4 disks, 8 cores and 16G of RAM
1203354605 M * Bertl doener_: as long as it is fun .. no need for focusing :)
1203354644 M * harry newz2000: why do i need less?
1203354652 M * newz2000 because the numbers look nice
1203354670 M * newz2000 I guess if you don't count the nics and use one disk as a hot-backup, you'd have 2 servers, 4 disks, 8 cores, 16G of ram
1203354681 M * newz2000 2, 4, 8, 16
1203354697 M * newz2000 ignore me, I'm obsessive compulsive
1203354701 M * Bertl 32 ESX machines :)
1203354732 M * waldi 2 nic, 4 cores, 8 disks, 16GiB ram
1203354766 M * waldi 10GB and something like 40 guests in z/VM
1203354770 M * harry ah :)
1203354811 M * harry now i have 1 machine, 2 threads over 8 cores and 16GB ram each
1203354822 M * harry 6 nics is ... not matching
1203354833 A * harry hates esx
1203354835 M * harry no fun there...
1203354839 M * harry no challenge
1203354847 A * waldi have z/vm, xen and ldoms
1203354856 M * harry just... use it, click click, when things go wrong,... too bad
1203354862 M * harry you're in deep shit
1203354871 M * Bertl harry: oh yes, try to fit 150 guests on a dual core machine with ESX
1203354886 M * harry Bertl: that's what i tried to explain...
1203354892 M * waldi Bertl: z/vm can hold 40k machines ...
1203354896 M * harry but they say: standardisation++
1203354900 M * harry no mather what it costs
1203354924 M * newz2000 40k machines? How do you address them? Keep them updated?
1203354927 A * newz2000 boggles
1203354928 J * hardwire ~bip@xvm-189-205.ghst.net
1203354942 M * harry Bertl: they even suggested: 2 blade enclosures with 16 dual quad cores 16GB ram and all connected to the san with failover and 4 nics each
1203354945 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203354953 M * waldi newz2000: this was only a test if it scales this much, not a real world scenario
1203354959 M * harry so that's 32 esx machines
1203354968 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1203354973 M * harry there's a request going for 100TB disk
1203354997 M * harry just: netapp server, 100TB and nfs share...
1203355000 M * harry that's it... GO! ;0
1203355001 M * harry ;)
1203355005 M * harry no fun there
1203355015 M * arachnist 100TB? fun
1203355027 M * harry not that it would be a problem with vserver, but you can play with it
1203355032 M * harry you can do funky stuff
1203355067 M * arachnist like download all the p0rn of the internet and then some more ;P
1203355074 M * waldi harry: are you daimler?
1203355090 M * harry waldi: ?
1203355135 A * harry gotta run... and fast... /me late1
1203355137 M * harry !
1203355153 M * newz2000 a few months ago a couple of you helped me with my iptables rules for my vserver. I've found a problem and I'm a bit stuck trying to figure out where the problem lies. Basically my vserver hosting bind cannot resolve anything externally, not even telnet some.dns.server 53
1203355202 M * Bertl newz2000: and your host system can telent to that server/port?
1203355251 M * newz2000 no. OK, that helps a lot.
1203355252 M * trippeh newz2000: Quite a lot of dns servers arent available on port 53 using TCP, which telnet uses.
1203355266 M * newz2000 oh, I didn't realize that
1203355274 M * trippeh DNS uses mostly UDP
1203355321 M * Bertl only longer requests are done via TCP
1203355342 Q * xstasi Remote host closed the connection
1203355376 M * waldi Bertl: today usualy only AXFR requests uses TCP, anything else can use EDNS and up to 4k or so
1203355457 M * Bertl ah, nice, UDP is much better for DNS anyway
1203355516 M * waldi and the only software which don't plays with that is ... djbdns and qmail ...
1203355543 M * Bertl well, different universal constants probably ...
1203355580 M * waldi yep
1203355636 M * newz2000 So what do you guys do for name resolution?
1203355646 M * waldi host, dig, getent
1203355658 M * newz2000 I mean what do you put in your /etc/resolv.conf?
1203355661 M * newz2000 Do you host your own?
1203355662 A * waldi .o0( netcat ... )
1203355673 M * waldi yes
1203355712 M * Bertl newz2000: I put my nameservers into /Etc/resolv.conf
1203355716 M * Bertl *etc
1203355734 M * newz2000 Well, I personally hate managing DNS
1203355747 M * newz2000 I was wondering if anyone knows of some public DNS servers
1203355768 M * waldi your isp should have one
1203355798 M * Guy- newz2000: or you could just install dnscache from djbdns, there's nothing to manage about that
1203355860 M * Bertl newz2000: yes, the DNS servers of your ISP are the best choice, if you don't do DNS yourself
1203355884 M * newz2000 I'm just renting rack space and apparently they're assuming I'm going to host my own. So I may have to just do it.
1203355922 M * hparker Your registrar may host it for you.. Some do, some don't
1203355946 M * Guy- but just having a caching recursive resolver is really not a big deal
1203356005 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-247-253.pools.arcor-ip.net
1203356157 Q * balbir Read error: Operation timed out
1203356413 M * newz2000 ok, something is wrong... I'm testing with opendns and from another host I can telnet to 208.67.222.222:53 but can't from either the host or guest I'm working with now. Would someone glance at my iptables rules and see if something looks out of place? http://pastebin.com/d23c48cef
1203356530 M * Bertl use tcpdump -vvnei eth0 (on the host) and try to reach the server (dns) 
1203356555 M * Bertl (maybe limit the dump to dns traffic if you have other ongoing traffic)
1203356585 M * newz2000 yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on there
1203356606 M * newz2000 how do you limit to dns?
1203356741 M * newz2000 oh, I use dst host
1203356806 M * newz2000 I have no idea what I'm looking at here: http://pastebin.com/d25e60544
1203356843 M * newz2000 the first one happened before I started to test with telnet so may be my bind trying to do a query
1203356944 M * newz2000 here's a better one, I tried to lookup google: http://pastebin.com/m4ab32c16
1203356988 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.218.163
1203356996 M * newz2000 I see it trying to get out, so does that mean its working OK? Is the response getting lost maybe?
1203357047 J * hijacker ~Lame@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg
1203357098 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1203357312 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com
1203357317 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1203357349 M * Bertl newz2000: upload the output you get, I'll have a look at it, also try with a 'ping' and 'icmp' as limiting criterion for tcpdump
1203357378 M * newz2000 Bertl: http://pastebin.com/m4ab32c16
1203357426 M * Bertl it's going out with a private IP, no wonder you don't get a response
1203357468 M * newz2000 I was monitoring on the host but doing the query from the guest
1203357471 M * Bertl (unless you do some masquerading outside that machine)
1203357475 M * newz2000 no
1203357487 M * Bertl so you got some public IPs then?
1203357489 J * rick1908 ~IceChat7@74.92.201.97
1203357496 M * Bertl welcome rick1908!
1203357500 M * newz2000 yes, in the example it's 123.123.123.97
1203357525 M * newz2000 these are my iptables rules http://pastebin.com/d23c48cef
1203357533 M * Bertl okay, but your machine uses 192.168.99.100  instead
1203357547 M * newz2000 that's the guest
1203357561 M * Bertl yes, but with that IP, no chance to get an answer on the internet
1203357572 M * newz2000 but wget and apt-get both work
1203357602 M * Bertl I don't see an SNAT rule for .100 in your table
1203357610 M * Bertl there is 97, 101 and 110
1203357637 M * newz2000 so if I copy line 8 and change it to .100 it might help?
1203357661 M * Bertl yes, I think that should help you somewhat :)
1203357708 M * newz2000 ah hah
1203357743 Q * ftx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203357752 M * newz2000 Bertl: thanks a bunch again
1203357772 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1203357783 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-247-253.pools.arcor-ip.net
1203358194 M * Radiance omg, australia wants to force providers to ban porn :)
1203358219 A * Radiance removes the dust from his 1984 book
1203358227 M * Bertl but, but ... ' the internet is for porn' no?
1203358253 M * Radiance yes, they don't understand ! hehe
1203358265 M * michiel` Radiance: porn at the workplace, or porn in general? :)
1203358280 M * Radiance in general
1203358295 M * michiel` that's insane
1203358296 M * Radiance so customers can only get porn if they specifically tell their isp to unblock 
1203358299 M * Radiance i know man
1203358302 M * Radiance 1984 dude
1203358315 M * Radiance i'm really worried at the rate privacy and control go hand in hand
1203358330 M * Radiance less and less freedom - more and more control
1203358343 M * Radiance the dutch gov wants to have a fingerprint of everyone 
1203358346 M * Radiance in a database
1203358355 M * michiel` really? I'm dutch
1203358362 M * Radiance the u.k are the worst but the rest is picking up the taste
1203358374 M * michiel` you mean on the passports?
1203358375 M * Radiance michiel, yes lemme get ya the link
1203358401 M * ard6 They already wanted that for "improved" security of the passport, but now they also want to make it freely accessible by the dutch police
1203358404 M * Bertl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_Q#List_of_songs
1203358445 M * Radiance michiel, check your prv
1203358446 Q * ard6 Quit: Somebody f*cked my window
1203358446 M * Bertl (you can find a bunch of versions on google/youtube/video)
1203358450 M * michiel` Radiance: i see it
1203358453 M * Radiance yes
1203358472 M * Radiance people start to wake up (finally) but we've lost so much 
1203358480 M * pmjdebruijn lots of Dutch folks in here...
1203358484 M * Radiance next time you might be only "free" if you live in Cuba
1203358496 M * ard ofcourse :-)
1203358507 M * michiel` we are everywhere >:)
1203358523 M * Radiance there is a dutch guy who started www.privacyinvasion.eu (just a few days old) he was also on nu.nl in an article
1203358542 M * Radiance he and his wife and they already got some good people posting
1203358567 M * Radiance and germany...well i'm sure everyone knows how things are in germany by now :(
1203358577 M * Radiance (and not just the Tor story)
1203358593 A * ard always wondered why the police may access my personal data, unless they are investigating a case, because then they need permission
1203358609 M * Radiance the east european states don't give a shit, they're all about the EU and the $$$ they receive, so whoever has the $ they support
1203358636 M * Radiance well, so much to say, but i'm worried
1203358663 M * ard http://sargasso.nl/archief/2008/02/15/volksopstand-tegen-de-privacyschendingen/
1203358666 M * Radiance seen this coming since all the bullshit started with "the war on <fill in something which fits the agenda>"
1203358703 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203358741 M * Radiance ard, nice link there
1203358742 M * michiel` I wonder if it will be more like 1984 or Brave New World
1203358779 M * Radiance yea
1203358831 M * Radiance the only way to stop em is to either choose the right people in power or to cut the power they have by not paying any tax 
1203358868 M * ard to choose the right people means a change in the voting system...
1203358887 M * ard Every party has it's ++ and it's -- members
1203358909 M * Radiance but as long as joe sixpack keeps listening to idiots which talk fear and scare and abuse freedom of speech to divide and insult people...
1203358923 M * ard D66 has f.i. in 't Veld and Brinkhorst...
1203358948 M * ard And if it is not terrorism, then it's childabuse...
1203358972 M * ard "You don't want us to spy on you, so that means that you are in favor of childabuse"
1203358991 M * Radiance ard, yeah, unlike those idiots like the PVV and TON which abuse "freedom" by blaming a group of people/believes (damn i get some weird 1939 taste here and start to see yellow stars).
1203359000 M * Radiance ard, exactly
1203359068 M * ard Radiance should look at vrijschrift.org ... A dutch version of ffii.org and other things... :-)
1203359068 M * Radiance but the dumb joe sixpack has his head full of mayonaise and too busy drinking beer until some day he's the last line of defense...an empty shell.
1203359095 M * Radiance lemme check heh
1203359100 M * ard And leaving the most stupid remarks at http://www.telegraaf.nl/ ... Really, those people are allowed to vote... :-(
1203359128 A * ard works at the "isp" of www.telegraaf.nl ;-)
1203359156 M * Radiance ah also a site i can add to my bookmarks of worth read/follow
1203359161 M * Radiance (vrijschrift)
1203359181 M * ard You can also join activity :-)
1203359195 A * ard has been in Bruxels a few times
1203359200 M * ard protesting agains softpatents
1203359262 M * Radiance yeah trust me, i contribute in various ways, even if you don't see me walking the street hehe
1203359268 M * ard Current issue next to this issue is f.i. expanding the copyright to 95 years instead of 50...
1203359307 M * Radiance and france, don't they have a law that forbids ANY anonymous service ? 
1203359325 M * Radiance i mean they force any entity to register their clients
1203359340 M * ard Dunno...
1203359343 M * Radiance i can't believe that germany didn't learn nothing from the past
1203359385 M * Radiance starts with taking away liberties, more control..
1203359392 M * ard Well, germany passt a law that forbids thinking that the internet is unsafe
1203359394 M * ard eh
1203359395 M * ard passed
1203359397 M * Radiance who in godsname (symbolic) votes on these ppl ?
1203359434 M * ard most of the things are backroom politics 
1203359444 M * Radiance is joe sixpack that decimated in his brains and intelligence leaves through his sperm every time ?
1203359449 M * Radiance yeah
1203359480 M * ard Darwins law doesn't apply to intelligence :-)
1203359485 Q * ftx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1203359506 M * Radiance the govs are keeping us busy worrying about money/tax rules and prices so when we have some time to think we're too tired, exhausted to do anything about it.
1203359539 M * Radiance like the Romans, give people just enough food and pleasure to keep em away from the real thing
1203359550 M * Radiance (replace it nowadays by soccer(sports))
1203359567 M * Radiance or what napoleon said, religion is just to make sure that the poor don't kill the rich
1203359600 M * michiel` for a moment, I read that as 'Romulans' :/
1203359600 M * Radiance lol i don't mind you, Romulans are now in our gov
1203359612 M * Radiance i'd rather have the klingons, at least you see the knife coming
1203359663 M * Radiance you know what one should fear ? is what russia does, take out the head of the "snake" (in their eyes) so the support collapses with some luck.
1203359673 M * Radiance like the arrest of Kasparov recently
1203359699 M * Radiance the only way to work against that is to inform and educate people, strength in numbers
1203359719 M * michiel` the chess guy?
1203359724 M * Radiance yes
1203359745 M * Radiance or we end up seeing 4 fingers and answering there are 5 with tears of happiness
1203359781 A * nkukard pops a cold one ... anyone?
1203359803 M * Radiance lemme get some coffee, brb
1203359856 J * ard6 ~ard@gw-office.telegraaf.net
1203359884 Q * ard6 
1203359966 J * ard6 ~ard@2002:d9c4:2909:1::1
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1203360658 Q * _bjh_ 
1203360842 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
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1203363421 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
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1203363434 M * Radiance looks like the break in 5 (!) undersea datacables is sabotage according to the UN agency
1203363439 M * Radiance but they're still investigating
1203363445 M * Radiance (just hit the news)
1203363458 M * hparker Link?
1203363554 M * Radiance it's now on one of the biggest mainstream dutch news sites
1203363558 M * Radiance just saw it
1203363576 M * Radiance probably it'll appear or is already on other sites
1203363600 M * mnemoc when was that?
1203363601 M * Radiance http://www.nu.nl/news/1441078/50/%27Schade_internetkabels_mogelijk_werk_saboteurs%27.html
1203363608 M * Radiance (well, for the dutch speaking)
1203363629 M * mnemoc that's like vietnamite to me :\
1203363665 M * Radiance http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080218/twl-gulf-mideast-internet-3cd7efd_1.html
1203363673 M * Radiance that one might clear up the lang barrier hehe
1203363682 M * mnemoc yeah :)
1203363686 M * michiel` mnemoc: vietnamese has more accents on characters ;)
1203363696 M * mnemoc michiel`: :D
1203363784 M * Radiance the breaks occured right in the heat of the stock exchange radical movements and bad news (might not be the agenda of those who did it, but if it is...who benefits when asia/middle east can't or hardly communicate anymore)
1203363800 J * oliwel ~mail-at-o@ppp-82-135-85-184.dynamic.mnet-online.de
1203363807 Q * oliwel 
1203364066 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1203364183 M * ard6 Radiance : usually nu.nl just copies the news agencies...
1203364228 M * ard6 But I know why it has been done: to stop the invasion of the asian spam 8-D
1203364239 M * michiel` :')
1203364243 A * ard6 also reads nu.nl te get current news
1203364261 A * ard6 only looks at telegraaf.nl when joran confesses again
1203364269 M * ard6 I mean: more traffic and such 8-D
1203364275 Q * rick1908 Quit: IceChat - Chillin with the Best of em
1203364323 M * Radiance i wouldn't be surprised if that joran gets some freak accident ;)
1203364332 M * Radiance if justice can't solve it with all the proof
1203364400 M * ard6 Well, actually: the thing is that Joran should be rich, since he is the author of that video, he should earn a few million $$ :-)
1203364429 M * Radiance yes, the do it "american style" lol
1203364452 M * ard6 No, brein style ....
1203364475 M * Radiance :)
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1203364875 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1203364956 M * ard6 Preparing to replace util-vserver 0.30.214-5 (using .../util-vserver_0.30.214-6_i386.deb) ...
1203364957 M * ard6 Stopping vservers of type 'default'...
1203364971 M * ard6 NOOoooohh...
1203365181 M * Loki|muh LOL!
1203365209 M * michiel` ard6: 'whoops'
1203365242 M * ard6 fortunately just my workstation :-)
1203365245 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1203365269 M * ard6 but it happened to me once on a live server
1203365290 M * Bertl why would debian stop/start the guests?
1203365298 M * ard6 I don't know...
1203365320 M * ard6 I can't recall any problems on the liveserver since I was already rebooting it also for the r00t exploits
1203365365 M * ard6 ah
1203365370 M * ard6 they haven't been stopped
1203365385 M * hparker Just want's you to change your drawers
1203365460 M * ard6 :-)
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1203367515 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1203368122 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A317B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1203368566 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego.
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1203369239 J * tokkee tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org
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1203369921 J * weasel weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net
1203370149 J * Linus ~nuhks@bl7-146-123.dsl.telepac.pt
1203370178 Q * Linus 
1203370231 J * Linus ~nuhks@bl7-146-123.dsl.telepac.pt
1203370367 Q * Linus 
1203370383 J * Infinito ~argos@201-2-49-128.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1203370392 J * Linus ~nuhks@bl7-146-123.dsl.telepac.pt
1203370475 A * Linus hi :)
1203370486 M * JonB hi
1203370636 M * Linus finally my vserver work :)
1203370678 M * Linus bur i dont have network :(
1203370743 M * Linus http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests <--- do this??
1203370745 M * JonB why not?
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1203372303 J * Infinito ~argos@201-10-139-5.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
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1203375393 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
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1203378246 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1203378259 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ