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1200528324 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com
1200530711 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1200531304 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
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1200532152 J * mire_ ~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1200535056 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-94-190-217.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net
1200536315 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya!
1200536320 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1200536829 J * UfvmTpcgt ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1200536851 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1200536886 M * misc-- goodnight!
1200536887 N * UfvmTpcgt Hollow
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1200537468 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de
1200540014 J * wenchien ~wenchien@59-105-176-102.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1200540552 N * ViRUS_ ViRUS
1200540630 M * ViRUS sweet... /dev/sdb just blowed up ... now my MD devices only have one working block device left. :-/
1200540658 M * ViRUS s/blowed/blew/
1200543558 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de
1200543558 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1200543565 N * Loki_muh Loki|muh
1200544320 J * aj_ ~aj@e180222198.adsl.alicedsl.de
1200544684 Q * derjohn_mobil Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200545096 M * ViRUS and best thing about the blown up /dev/sdb ... I recently finished moving all data to the newly installed server and it went live today. :-/
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1200550943 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1200552685 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-68.kollegiegaarden.dk
1200553277 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1200553284 J * Hollow ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1200553314 J * _bjh_ ~bjh@84.112.154.154
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1200554531 J * ViRUS_ ~mp@p57A6C8EF.dip.t-dialin.net
1200554678 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200554940 Q * ViRUS Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200555775 N * ViRUS_ ViRUS
1200555860 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200557514 P * undefined 
1200557839 J * dna ~dna@24-203-dsl.kielnet.net
1200558842 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1200558884 M * gebura morning !
1200559349 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.8.148
1200559354 A * rgl waves
1200559484 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1200560075 J * PowerKe ~tom@d54C13E4B.access.telenet.be
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1200561583 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1200561651 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85-127-204-19.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at
1200562129 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1200562451 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-65-165.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net
1200562629 Q * sharkjaw Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200562782 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1200563558 M * ViRUS can anyone recommend me a good backup tool which supports vserver? I want to backup the entire server. A complete snapshot per week and daily incrementals would be fine for me. Right now I'm giving backupninja a try and it is awfully slow. And it is not able to disable GPG encryption even if I'm storing the backup on a trusted hardware. So I'm looking for a faster alternative which is more feature complete.
1200563640 M * ViRUS Besides the entire server is currently 25 GB big. So it will become 5000 separate 5 MB files which is just insane. backupninja currently doesn't come with a way to increase the size of the volumes
1200563689 M * JonB ViRUS: i use plain rsync and some bash scripts
1200563873 M * JonB ViRUS: i hardlink identical files from backup to backup
1200563923 M * ViRUS http://dev.riseup.net/backupninja/handlers/rsnap/
1200563932 M * ViRUS JonB, sounds a lot like the rsnap handler of backupninja
1200563995 M * meandtheshel1 ViRUS: take a look at bacula
1200564006 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27E90.dip.t-dialin.net
1200564039 M * Julius Guten Morgen
1200564087 M * JonB ViRUS: if i use LVM or other storage that can take a snapshot of the disk, and then you shutdown the vservers, take a snapshot and start uop again. Then you can backup the snapshot to your backup machine
1200564092 M * meandtheshel1 Julius: morning sir - English please :)
1200564108 M * JonB ViRUS: maybe. But rsync stores each file as a file with the same name
1200564109 M * meandtheshel1 ViRUS: http://www.bacula.org/
1200564172 M * ViRUS meandtheshel1, ye, I've heard about bacula before. My setup is really tiny so that look a bit too big for me
1200564188 M * JonB ViRUS: i have 9083458974758794759456 seperate files of the same size as on the original
1200564262 M * meandtheshel1 ViRUS: wrong - take a closer look - even more wrong in case you're with debian since _everything_ is packaged and comes with sane defaults
1200564314 M * Julius meandtheshel1: I usually speak english in here, that was an /amsg :)
1200564333 M * ViRUS meandtheshel1, okie. I'll have a look. :)
1200564366 M * ViRUS meandtheshel1, right now I got only one server which needs to be backed up and a backup space I don't control myself which can only be accessed via FTP. :-/
1200564492 M * JonB no ssh?
1200564652 M * meandtheshel1 ViRUS: I see - well, maybe you manage to control the backup sink as well i.e. get another server which is entirely yours ... for now, moving the bacula data around with ftp once you took the backup works as well
1200564686 M * ViRUS JonB, it's a shame, isn't it.
1200564709 M * JonB ViRUS: no rsync?
1200564729 M * ViRUS JonB, no. Just FTP... :-/
1200564737 M * JonB ViRUS: what are they thinking
1200564771 M * ViRUS Right now I'm thinking of getting a second server only for backups... having to rely on an FTP backup space is just hilarious.
1200564796 M * JonB ViRUS: consider putting the 2. server in a different place
1200564816 M * ViRUS JonB, I will
1200564842 M * JonB ViRUS: and find some backup that ONLY transfers the changed data
1200564858 M * JonB ViRUS: else you might end up with a huge data bill
1200564884 M * ViRUS JonB, indeed.
1200564915 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200564925 M * meandtheshel1 ViRUS: the thing which 95% of ordinary folks don't think about is a recovery strategy - for example rsync, a nice solution (/me is using it himself for his workstation) but in case your productive machine goes down then what? How long does it take to recover from total system failure?
1200564948 M * JonB meandtheshel1: how long time does it take with bacula?
1200564954 M * meandtheshel1 with bacula you have a "server" and a "client" (the one you take backups from) - recovery is semi automatic
1200564964 M * JonB meandtheshel1: i have tested my restore
1200564987 M * JonB meandtheshel1: it toke 2 days to transfer all data across the network
1200564994 M * meandtheshel1 bacula is smart compared to rsync thus for huge data it's simply just right to use something like bacula
1200565032 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: wow ... 2 days ... that's a lot of money + trouble for productive systems don't you think so?
1200565044 M * ViRUS meandtheshel1, yes, I know. The bacula docs state that it is not a 'disaster recovery'. Though since I don't have direct hardware access it all relies upon some magical scripts and config files anyways.
1200565087 M * meandtheshel1 no - bacula provides "disaster recovery" ... that's my ponit
1200565091 M * meandtheshel1 *point
1200565092 M * JonB meandtheshel1: thats why i have a 2. server standing hot spare backup, also because it took a day to sync the mdadm
1200565105 M * JonB meandtheshel1: well, please answer this question
1200565111 M * JonB meandtheshel1: if you have to transfer wio5u348w6y754
1200565126 M * JonB meandtheshel1: if you have to transfer 5848967459673895793475 data across a 1GBIT network
1200565141 M * JonB meandtheshel1: why whould bacula be much faster than rsync?
1200565160 M * meandtheshel1 what are those numbers?
1200565172 A * meandtheshel1 learned numbers without units are worthless
1200565184 M * phedny unit = illegal movies
1200565257 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: well, bacula for example can check if parts of files are still ok or not - rsync just moves (or not) a whole file
1200565269 M * meandtheshel1 that's just one thing ...
1200565289 M * phedny doesn't rsync have a rolling checksum algorithm so it only needs do transmit the "changed" parts?
1200565303 A * meandtheshel1 still does not get the number thingy from above :)
1200565326 M * meandtheshel1 phedny: checksum yes but then it either goes for the whole file or nothing at all
1200565329 M * JonB meandtheshel1: thats bullshit
1200565345 M * JonB meandtheshel1: rsync can also check if the file is there or not
1200565345 M * meandtheshel1 ?
1200565350 M * phedny than what's the use of the "rolling" checksum?
1200565355 M * JonB and if it is partially damaged
1200565365 M * JonB phedny: yes it does
1200565418 M * phedny the docs describe it as a way to remotely detect changes in parts of the file
1200565431 M * phedny so the file doesn't need to be transfered completelly if only a part has changed
1200565437 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: I never said rsync does not check "if a file is 'there' or not" - did I?
1200565470 M * JonB "rsync just moves (or not) a whole file"
1200565471 M * PowerKe meandtheshel1: rsync only copies different parts of the files, even if they have shifted
1200565485 M * JonB meandtheshel1: thats quoted from you, and that is incorrect
1200565522 M * JonB meandtheshel1: what i did test in my recovery was a complete hardware loss, so new hardware, new raids, new filesystems, new new new. That toke me 3 days
1200565531 M * meandtheshel1 ok - well, then I am wrong I guess ... sorry, I always thought rsync copies on a per file basis
1200565536 M * JonB meandtheshel1: i dont think bacula would have been much faster
1200565569 M * meandtheshel1 since how long is it that rsync can copy files partially?
1200565579 M * JonB meandtheshel1: i think since forever
1200565589 M * meandtheshel1 it wasn't the case since the beginning if I recall correctly 
1200565595 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: hm .... 
1200565602 M * JonB i think rsync was designed to sync smart
1200565619 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.94.134
1200565652 M * JonB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync
1200565654 A * meandtheshel1 puts "skimm over rsync manual yet again" on his schedule :)
1200565657 M * JonB the algorithm sektion
1200565662 A * meandtheshel1 checks
1200565666 M * JonB i think it always used that
1200566104 M * meandtheshel1 wow - that really sounds like "some other rsync" than what I still had in mind (last time I checked in so much detail was ~7 years ago) 
1200566139 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: I am sorry - what I said above was really wrong then ... (/me didn't do that on purpose)
1200566175 M * JonB meandtheshel1: but other than that, if bacula is just apt-get install bacula-server and apt-get install client, and then it works, then that might be easier for ViRUS  than making bash scripts like i did
1200566176 M * meandtheshel1 however, if I recall correctly it had been a different kind of games a few years ago ...
1200566190 M * JonB meandtheshel1: maybe you are thinking of rcp
1200566197 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: yep - just apt-get it :)
1200566223 M * meandtheshel1 JonB: no idea ... I am a bit confused now anyways ;-]
1200566239 M * JonB ok
1200566269 M * JonB ViRUS: i think someone already made scripts for rsync to take backup. They are called rdiff-backup
1200566341 M * JonB i have tried other backup solutions that used big files to store my backup inside... But i like having total control over how the files are stored.
1200566360 M * JonB looking in my old bugzilla it was afbackup i tried and disliked
1200567026 M * cehteh rdiff-backup is a program on its own 
1200567052 M * cehteh in python .. using rdiff and a rsync like protocoll and i use it sucessfully since years 
1200567069 M * JonB cehteh: okay
1200567070 M * cehteh with some script around
1200567082 M * JonB cehteh: how does it store files?
1200567091 M * cehteh http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/BackupTools
1200567112 M * cehteh makes a current snapshot and compresses history as binary diffs
1200567129 M * cehteh reverse diff
1200567149 M * JonB cehteh: the current snapshot is stored as individual files?
1200567168 M * cehteh saves a lot of bandwidth and storage space .. i have the luxority that i have serveral months daily backups available ... 
1200567175 M * cehteh yes filessystem tree 
1200567179 M * cehteh and some metadata
1200567203 M * JonB cehteh: are there one binary diff pr. file?
1200567204 M * cehteh basically its just the filesystem rsynced over (but doesnt use rsync)
1200567230 M * cehteh i dont even know .. iirc yes there is a shadow tree where the metadata is
1200567259 M * cehteh it works awfully well here .. as it should be ... i never need to care and everything is backed up
1200567279 M * JonB cehteh: i ment, is there ONE big binary diff file?
1200567293 M * cehteh no one per file .. in a shadow tree
1200567299 M * JonB okay
1200567300 M * cehteh iirc ... moment o look
1200567323 M * cehteh thats what i wanted to say .. it works so well that i dont notice it :)
1200567383 M * cehteh starbase:/data/safe/backups/hosts# ls mercur/                                  
1200567383 M * cehteh boot  etc  home  rdiff-backup-data  usr  var
1200567391 M * cehteh thats the backup dir .. 
1200567440 M * JonB okay
1200567469 J * doener ~doener@i577AC349.versanet.de
1200567491 M * cehteh there are tons if files (logs, increments, ..) in the metadata dir
1200567512 M * cehteh home.2007-10-13T00:09:21+02:00.dir	usr.2008-01-15T00:07:36+01:00.dir   var.2008-01-15T00:07:36+01:00.dir
1200567512 M * cehteh home.2007-10-14T01:26:14+02:00.dir	usr.2008-01-16T00:07:37+01:00.dir   var.2008-01-16T00:07:37+01:00.dir
1200567514 M * cehteh ... etc
1200567569 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@51.42.69.80.in-addr.net-lab.net
1200567973 J * aurel42 ~marc@bigswifty.a42.de
1200568114 M * aurel42 Howdy, I'm experiencing weird, reproducable "stutter" on a vserver host running kernel 2.6.22.15 and vserver 2.2.0.5. Since that's the "stable" release, I assume that's not "normal"? ;)
1200568138 M * aurel42 Is it a known problem, perhaps with a workaround?
1200568455 Q * friendly12345 Quit: Leaving.
1200569385 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com
1200569434 M * cehteh aurel42: find the cause? swapping? io?
1200569512 M * aurel42 cehteh: couldn't make anything out, load and cpu usage were minimal, no swap, no significant I/O operations.
1200569536 M * cehteh logged in remotely?
1200569547 M * cehteh maybe network problem then?
1200569553 M * aurel42 example for the "stutter": 'ps auxwww' would display a dozen lines, hang for a couple of secs, display some more lines, hang, then display the rest.
1200569629 M * cehteh time ps auxwww >&/dev/null    same as without >&/dev/null?
1200569663 M * aurel42 I didn't test that and since that machine is in production, I'm back to an older kernel now.
1200569704 M * cehteh ok
1200569721 M * cehteh well when the older kernel works then its likely not a network problem
1200569721 M * aurel42 ps would always hang at the same lines, htop would hang before clearing the screen always, aptitude would hang after drawing the first line always...
1200569744 M * cehteh maybe someone else here knows
1200569747 M * aurel42 I think the reproducible behaviour of the applications also points to a different problem than network.
1200569967 M * aurel42 The hardware is a HP DL-360/G4 w/ 2 Xeons (SMP, SMT), the system was up and running without a glitch for close to two days before the problem started.
1200570259 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1200571185 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1200572221 J * jes-o-mat ~jesusch@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1200572311 M * jes-o-mat Hi
1200572426 M * jes-o-mat what's a good way to keep snapshots from an vserver-guest (not using any LVM snapshots)?
1200572441 M * JonB how big is it?
1200572455 M * jes-o-mat fresh etch minimum
1200572464 M * jes-o-mat 235M
1200572474 M * JonB jes-o-mat: shut the guest down, copy all files, start it up again
1200572503 M * jes-o-mat and for reverting changes just overwrite the vserver-dir with its backuP?
1200572516 M * jes-o-mat (after stopping, etc.)
1200572541 M * jes-o-mat sounds too easy :)
1200572587 M * JonB jes-o-mat: it takes longer time than a LVM snapshot
1200572628 M * jes-o-mat cp -rp dev/ dev-etch-basic-20080117 <- that should be enough, or?
1200572665 M * jes-o-mat but LVM would require too many actions on the host
1200572689 M * jes-o-mat next time I'll setup a vserver host I'll take that into account ;)
1200572701 M * aurel42 jes-o-mat: I'd recommend -a (-dpR)
1200572734 M * jes-o-mat thanks
1200572886 M * PowerKe jes-o-mat: You shouldn't need most of /dev in the guest
1200572897 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.94.134
1200572927 M * JonB Bertl_zZ: can you help me with http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11673 ?
1200572991 M * JonB jes-o-mat: why do you think LVM requires many actions on the host?
1200573027 M * jes-o-mat JonB: because I have to migrate my current filesystem
1200573030 M * cehteh make the snapshot consistent
1200573037 M * JonB jes-o-mat: how long time are you going to keep the snapshot?
1200573040 M * JonB cehteh: that too
1200573044 M * cehteh lvm doesnt guarantee that
1200573075 M * jes-o-mat JonB: I guess long time - I often want to revert to a clean etch system for testing purpose
1200573087 Q * balbir_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1200573132 Q * balbir Read error: Operation timed out
1200573295 M * JonB jes-o-mat: then a LVM snapshot is probably not the right idea
1200573302 M * JonB cehteh: i know it does not
1200573338 M * jes-o-mat JonB: as long as cp does the job I'm happy :)
1200573387 M * JonB Bertl_zZ: never mind, i solved the problem
1200573489 M * sharkjaw I trye to compile bind on a Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 LTS GuestOS ... following: http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs#Bind9_on_Debian_GNU.2FLinux_Woody_.283.0.29.2C_Sarge_.283.1.29.2C_Etch_.284.0.29
1200573532 M * sharkjaw when I do `dpkg-buildpackage` I get "configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target"
1200573542 M * sharkjaw "configure: WARNING: invalid host type:"
1200573580 M * sharkjaw "checking build system type... config.sub: missing argument"
1200573591 M * sharkjaw "Try `config.sub --help' for more information."
1200573601 M * sharkjaw "configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub   failed"
1200573612 M * sharkjaw "make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1"
1200573626 M * sharkjaw Any one have any ideas ...
1200573687 M * sharkjaw I've done this before on an other server (that i down just now so I can't look on that) ...
1200573743 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1200573748 M * Bertl morning folks!
1200573783 M * sharkjaw Bertl: here it's 13:43
1200573786 M * sharkjaw :)
1200573793 M * Bertl here too :)
1200574203 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.94.134
1200574205 M * Bertl sharkjaw: maybe specifying the build/host/target would help?
1200574315 M * sharkjaw Bertl: Yes, mayby, but where and how ... I did not do that last time ...
1200574352 M * Bertl as you are building a dpkg, maybe the package changed?
1200574355 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1200574384 M * sharkjaw that is possible
1200574391 M * Bertl you did build it on a guest system before?
1200574426 M * sharkjaw yes, but last time it was a 64bit system, now it's 32
1200574441 M * Bertl so maybe that's the 'important' difference here
1200574487 M * sharkjaw possible, but I still don't know where to put those arguments ...
1200574513 P * jes-o-mat 
1200574538 M * Bertl sharkjaw: me neither, but deb/dpkg folks should know (ubuntu, debian, ...)
1200574563 M * sharkjaw ok
1200574615 M * aurel42 Retry: I'm experiencing weird, reproducable "stutter" on a vserver host running kernel 2.6.22.15 and vserver 2.2.0.5. There's no significant load or I/O going on, applications are extremely sluggish and "pause" reproducibly for seconds to minutes at specific points (e.g. ps auxwww will output about 10 lines, then hang, then continue output).
1200574649 M * aurel42 Host OS: Debian/etch, Hardware: HP DL360/G4 (2x Xeon w/ SMP, SMT)
1200574749 M * aurel42 Ah, almost forgot, the problem became noticable after close to two days of uptime.
1200575041 M * Bertl aurel42: do you have any CPU limits set?
1200575107 M * aurel42 Bertl: nope, and the HOST system showed the problems, too, not just the guests.
1200575124 M * Bertl okay, what about memory usage and swap space on the host?
1200575139 M * aurel42 No swap, normal memory usage.
1200575210 M * aurel42 Swapping would manifest itself with a high load, too. Load was <0.2, even though all the guests were running (and normal load for that time of day would be around 1-2)
1200575250 M * ard6 and strace of the ps auxwww ?
1200575257 M * ard6 with timestamps? :-)
1200575283 M * aurel42 ard6: didn't think of that, will try that when I can try that kernel again.
1200575305 A * ard6 installed 2.6.22.15 yesterday, so...
1200575314 M * ard6 I don't want to see that happening :-)
1200575327 M * aurel42 you'll know by tomorrow *g
1200575362 M * ard6 there are no vservers on this system yet, but it is vserver enabled, an tagxid mounted...
1200575370 A * ard6 is going to install a vserver right now 8-D
1200575396 M * aurel42 cpu graph shows a reduction from "half a cpu" to "almost nothing", especially no time spent in the kernel.
1200575433 M * aurel42 I *did* switch on HPET timers when building the new kernel. Could that be causing a problem?
1200575445 M * ard6 I don't know
1200575462 M * ard6 I have serveral 2.6.22's with HPET, and without problems :-)
1200575465 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net
1200575479 M * Bertl aurel42: there are a number of possible causes for this, all of them mainline/hardware related
1200575488 M * Bertl aurel42: i.e. we have to narrow it down
1200575500 M * ard6 Linux version 2.6.22.9-vs2.2.0.4-d64-xeon-vs (root@etchdev64) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 15:12:38 CEST 2007
1200575511 M * ard6 that's my main develop machine ...
1200575531 M * Bertl aurel42: gigabit ethernet? any unusual messages in dmesg?
1200575531 M * aurel42 Bertl: I can offer to run any test you want me to over night. The machine in question is running in production, so I can't afford more downtimes during daytime.
1200575552 M * ard6 do you use vlimit? 
1200575567 M * aurel42 Bertl: GE NIC running on 100Mbit
1200575631 M * aurel42 ard6: no limits, I want load peaks of one guest to be benefitting from free resources of other guests.
1200575652 M * Bertl makes sense, usual setup
1200575659 M * ard6 well, vlimit when wrongly configured could have exhibit such a behaviour :-)
1200575669 M * aurel42 on the host system?
1200575673 M * ard6 but if you don't use it, it's weird
1200575675 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-245-000.pools.arcor-ip.net
1200575676 M * ard6 the host... ah
1200575678 M * Bertl aurel42: not really :)
1200575693 M * Bertl aurel42: getting back to dmesg ... anything unusual there?
1200575729 A * ard6 is pondering what Bertl is pondering
1200575735 M * aurel42 Bertl: let me check the logs (dmesg is of no use, I rebooted with a good vserver kernel when I noticed the problem)
1200575744 M * ard6 some weird thing with network?
1200575766 M * Bertl ard6: 'good' in this case is what exactly?
1200575775 M * Bertl *aurel42
1200575785 M * aurel42 2.6.17.13-vs2.0.2.1+vserver
1200575799 M * Bertl okay, that is way back ...
1200575803 M * ard6 :-)
1200575809 M * aurel42 ...which had been running for 376 days :)
1200575822 M * Bertl yeah, expected something like that :)
1200575850 M * harry hahaaa... vserver for president!
1200575862 M * ard6 that's still 120 days from the dreaded 493 days up
1200575868 M * harry yes... idiot-remarks-man is back!
1200575886 M * ard6 (if anyone uses heartbeat :-) )
1200575898 M * Bertl aurel42: I would suggest to (re?)compile the kernel (new one) with some debugging enabled, and we do some stress tests tonight or so?
1200575902 M * Punkie hello, please, I have so many messages in logs: kernel: vxW: [ps,12676:#1003|1003|1003] did lookup hidden f70aa868[#0,2] /dev/pts/0 ..is this some kind of problem?
1200575902 M * Bertl wb harry!
1200575962 M * Bertl Punkie: not really, but it is unusual: the question is, why does 'ps' in your guest (#1003) try to access /dev/pts/0, which belongs to the host?
1200575994 M * aurel42 Bertl: nothing at the log at the time where the problem became visible, checking the log from 15th now (when I rebooted with the new kernel)
1200576001 M * Bertl Punkie: are you using 'vserver ... enter/exec' on a regular basis to gather stats or so?
1200576085 M * aurel42 Bertl: nothing out of the ordinary there, too. I'll make sure to catch the dmesg output when rebooting for testing tonight.
1200576093 Q * rgl Read error: No route to host
1200576114 M * Bertl aurel42: please, and enable VSERVER_DEBUG and some of the kernel debug tests
1200576142 M * aurel42 will do
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1200576294 M * aurel42 Bertl: any suggestions which kernel debug options could prove useful?
1200576310 M * Punkie Bertl: somebody in vserver runs script "if ps -A | grep something...then...do something...sleep 3" :-/
1200576340 M * aurel42 Are there perhaps any issues with regard to the new SLUB?
1200576350 M * Punkie and it make all these messages in syslog,...
1200576424 M * Bertl Punkie: hmm, could you provide this script to me/us?
1200576474 M * Bertl aurel42: none that we know of, but I presume it isn't that well tested (yet)
1200576509 M * Punkie http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11675
1200576514 M * daniel_hozac Punkie: does that guest have a process with a ctty of /dev/pts/0?
1200576609 M * Bertl ps -A | grep pts/0
1200576614 M * Bertl (inside the guest)
1200576682 M * Punkie ps -A | grep pts
1200576683 M * Punkie  9726 pts/2    00:00:00 bash
1200576739 M * aurel42 Bertl: I'll stick with SLUB for the time being, in order to minimize the changes to the problem kernel.
1200576765 M * Bertl yep, is fine
1200576998 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1200577003 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1200577150 M * Punkie this messages do command "ps -A" in all vservers, so if he runs it every 3 seconds...I have full logs of it :-|
1200577280 M * aurel42 Punkie: in a similar situation where I cannot make the application stop logging some crap message every few seconds, I'm using syslog-ng which allows me to filter the message. It's dirty, but it works for me.
1200577365 M * Punkie aurel42: it doesn,t crossed my mind...it is possible solutions, thanks
1200577485 M * aurel42 Punkie: that you didn't think of it, speaks for you. You must be a sane person. :)
1200577574 M * Punkie :D
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1200578928 M * Bertl_oO Punkie: looks to me like a kernel/tool bug, what kernel/util-vserver version are you using?
1200579315 M * Punkie Bertl: 2.6.22.10-vs2.3.0.29 with util-vserver: 0.30.214 from debian backports
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1200579565 J * Infinito argos@200-101-123-204.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
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1200579824 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@192.38.8.25
1200579907 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-062-236-096.pools.arcor-ip.net
1200579930 J * doener_ ~doener@i577AE1AD.versanet.de
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1200580910 J * cruser ~chatzilla@134.Red-80-35-219.staticIP.rima-tde.net
1200581076 M * Bertl_oO welcome cruser!
1200581106 M * cruser Hi Bertl_oO. I just did a "vserver vfoo build" for centos 5, which I have done before, and it has made a symlink /var/lib/rpm to /.rpm which does not look right.
1200581107 J * esa bip@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it
1200581132 M * cruser The last build I did did not do that.
1200581139 M * cruser any clues?
1200581160 J * ftx_ ~ftx@dslb-084-062-251-101.pools.arcor-ip.net
1200581177 M * Bertl_oO cruser: what did you do different this time? what changed?
1200581204 M * Bertl_oO cruser: could be internalized vs. externalized package management?
1200581209 M * cruser Good question, let me think, thanks.
1200581321 M * cruser I used the same script as before and only changed the vserver name and interface. I do not know what entails the different forms of pkg mang.
1200581367 M * Bertl_oO how does the script look like?
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1200581395 M * cruser Where where do I paste?
1200581427 M * Bertl_oO paste.linux-vserver.org
1200581493 M * cruser Thanks. I have pasted it.
1200581628 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: is there an easy way to check for internalized vs externalized management?
1200582041 M * daniel_hozac ls -l /etc/vservers/<guest>/apps/pkgmgmt
1200582279 M * cruser Let me see what I have. Thanks.
1200582343 M * cruser base -> /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/vprelude1
1200582405 M * cruser The symlink to /.rpmdb can't be right...?
1200582487 M * Bertl_oO base looks fine, what about the pkgmgmt?
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1200582508 M * daniel_hozac it's fine.
1200582535 M * daniel_hozac IIRC, it's an apt-get bug where it hardcodes /var/lib/rpm.
1200582694 M * cruser The vserver build script asks for yum for PM
1200582720 M * cruser The script I pasted that is...
1200582731 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1200582747 M * Bertl_oO wb dowdle!
1200582792 M * daniel_hozac the scripts still add the symlink, it's part of the rpm functions.
1200582850 M * cruser I do not see where apt-get comes in. I guess the quick fix is to remove the link.
1200582864 M * daniel_hozac fix for what, exactly?
1200582914 M * cruser symlink /var/lib/rpm -> /.rpmdb ?
1200582943 M * daniel_hozac i don't see why that's a problem.
1200582975 J * itsme20F ~itsme20F@ANantes-257-1-114-177.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
1200582977 M * cruser Let me find the error I got.
1200583045 M * cruser When I went to vyum install into the vserver chmod could not find files.
1200583071 Q * itsme20F 
1200583088 M * cruser Anyway this symlink is not a problem ? Thanks.
1200583231 J * Slydder ~chuck@194.59.17.53
1200583240 M * Slydder hey all
1200583241 M * Bertl_oO welcome Slydder!
1200583294 M * Slydder anyone here ever had trouble logging in to mysql on a vserver? keep getting a segfault when attempting to log in using mysql -u user -h host -p
1200583316 M * Bertl_oO sounds like a broken binary/library
1200583331 M * Slydder did a strace on it and mysql seems to be dieing while trying to access /dev/tty.
1200583352 M * Bertl_oO with a segfault?
1200583354 M * Slydder open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = 3
1200583354 M * Slydder ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbfaf02d0) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device)
1200583385 M * Bertl_oO the open worked quite fine here
1200583403 M * Bertl_oO what does 'ls -la /dev/tty' give inside the guest?
1200583413 M * Slydder and dev tty is there and at 0666 permissions
1200583439 M * daniel_hozac the more interesting is part is whether it's a character device.
1200583449 M * Slydder crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 7 2008-01-17 11:40 /dev/tty
1200583458 M * Slydder of course it's a char device. lol
1200583460 M * Bertl_oO 1,7 sounds odd
1200583471 M * Bertl_oO 5,0 would be fine, IIRC
1200583482 M * Slydder however I notice on my host system that /dev/tty had a 5,0 major minor and not a 1,7
1200583486 M * daniel_hozac 1,7 is /dev/full.
1200583490 M * Slydder exactly. lol
1200583493 M * Slydder k.
1200583508 M * Slydder let me make a new device right quick
1200583527 M * Bertl_oO Slydder: nevertheless, if that is the problem, you might want to file a bug report to the mysql maintainer :)
1200583575 M * cruser daneil_hozac: After vyum install of yum to the vserver  I get: /bin/chown: cannot access `/var/lib/rpm/[A-Z]*': No such file or directory
1200583590 M * Slydder hmm. won't let me create the device
1200583601 M * cruser Which point to that /.rpmdb which is empty.
1200583614 M * Bertl_oO Slydder: on the host, either with mknod or with cp -va
1200583619 M * daniel_hozac cruser: which is expected. you need to internalize the package management.
1200583668 M * cruser Thanks. Is that on the flower page?
1200583725 M * Slydder got it
1200583729 M * Slydder now works fine
1200583749 M * Bertl_oO Slydder: so, bug report it is :)
1200583781 J * kaouete kkwet@crazydwarves.org
1200583789 M * Slydder but why it wouldn't work with a 1,7 is strange. it even tries to create the 1,7 itself
1200583794 M * daniel_hozac cruser: no. the flower page deals only with configuration...
1200583835 M * cruser Thanks. Please give me a tip on where to figure it out.
1200583898 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_CentOS http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Fedora both contain the required steps.
1200583929 M * cruser daniel_hozc: This is it: vserver vfoo pkgmgmt internalize?
1200583959 M * kaouete Hello, i would like to use vserver on debian, but i need ipv6 and i can't find any patch for latest stable, is the only solution to use the dev version ?
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1200583983 M * daniel_hozac cruser: yes.
1200583991 M * daniel_hozac kaouete: it's certainly the best way.
1200584043 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1200584067 M * kaouete daniel_hozac: ok, and can i consider the dev version enough stable to be used like i would use the stable version ?
1200584349 M * cruser daniel_hozac: Thanks for the help.
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1200584489 M * daniel_hozac kaouete: i've been running 2.3 in production since we added the IPv6 support.
1200584521 M * Wonka i am using one v6 address on one guest...
1200584545 M * Wonka is there any way to autoconfigure addresses for guests? privacy extensions? such stuff?
1200584557 M * kaouete daniel_hozac: ok, thanks you, so i guess i will make debian package with it :)
1200584609 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: i've written a daemon for auto-assigning addresses.
1200584618 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: cool
1200584633 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: any URLs?
1200584635 M * kaouete can't dhcpv6 do it ?
1200584671 M * Wonka kaouete: they all have the same MAC address - won't that give problems?
1200584688 M * daniel_hozac https://svn.planet-lab.org/svn/util-vserver-pl/trunk/src/vip6-autod.c
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1200584699 M * Wonka i'll look at that, thanks
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1200597955 J * ENVY ~HotCoffee@79.140.78.7
1200597971 M * ENVY Hello all
1200598060 M * JonB hi
1200598271 M * Bertl_oO welcome ENVY!
1200598278 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1200598320 M * ENVY kiss my cock!!!
1200598366 M * ENVY a?
1200598373 M * ENVY Yes
1200598383 M * ENVY Eminem LOX!!!!!
1200598410 F * ChanServ +o Bertl
1200598419 M * Bertl ENVY: are we done?
1200598428 M * ENVY Bertl: Whot?
1200598446 Q * ENVY autokilled: Spamming/Flooding. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net - thanks. (2008-01-17 19:34:06)
1200598465 F * Bertl -o Bertl
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1200599325 J * barbys ~User@91.135.210.67
1200599355 M * barbys Hello all 
1200599416 M * barbys How are you? 
1200599520 M * barbys Why you keep silence 
1200599524 M * barbys ? 
1200599566 M * barbys I from russia 
1200599576 M * barbys Are you? 
1200599779 M * Bertl welcome barbys!
1200599841 M * barbys :) 
1200599855 M * barbys How are you? 
1200599862 M * ViRUS greetings from germany. *waves*
1200599982 M * barbys greetings from russia 
1200599983 M * barbys :) 
1200600010 M * mnemoc greetings from chile :D
1200600014 M * barbys How many to you years old? 
1200600034 M * Bertl barbys: anything Linux-VServer related on your heart?
1200600052 M * mnemoc *G*
1200600247 M * barbys I went to sleep by everything good might. Till get-together:) 
1200600296 M * ViRUS The defect harddisk is being replaced in this moment - just hope my server system comes up without any troubles.
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1200600498 M * ViRUS and I hope they replace the right harddisk... otherwise ... uh oh. ;)
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1200606363 J * kaouete kkwet@crazydwarves.org
1200606378 M * Bertl welcome kaouete!
1200606407 M * kaouete Hello, why vs2.3.0.29 patch does not let ipv6 be built as a module ?
1200606445 M * Bertl because that part was not done yet, and it doesn't make much sense anyway
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1200606494 M * kaouete hm, i am not sure to understand your answer, i was thinking that ipv6 support was added in 2.3
1200606536 M * kaouete is it the module part that is not done ?
1200606560 M * Bertl yep, precisely, but as there is no real point in modular ipv6, we didn't consider it a big priority
1200606580 M * kaouete ok
1200606596 M * Bertl feel free to submit a patch though ...
1200606613 M * kaouete hehe, i don't know anything about kernel stuff
1200606622 M * kaouete i think i will just compile it with ipv6=y
1200606685 M * bXi Bertl: 
1200606695 M * bXi are there any known reports of people running vserver on a laptop?
1200606716 M * Bertl I'm doing so for .. hmm, 4 years now?
1200606723 M * bXi hah nice :)
1200606726 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1200606727 M * bXi i ordered a new laptop
1200606731 M * daniel_hozac my main development box at the moment is a laptop...
1200606747 M * bXi and since its a monster of a machine i'll run a vserver kernel on it
1200606750 M * kaouete Bertl: and what about module under the ipv6 one, and netfilter ones for ipv6, if they are compiled as module, will it works ?
1200606781 M * daniel_hozac kaouete: yes.
1200606789 M * Bertl kaouete: everything you can select/configure should be working, otherwise, please report it as bug
1200606832 M * kaouete ok, thanks, so i guess i can finally compile the final kernel :) because i compiled one and didn't payed attention that my config file was with ipv6=m so it was disabled
1200606850 J * Infinito ~argos@200-103-109-72.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1200606851 M * Bertl hehe, yeah
1200606886 M * kaouete i just begin to use vserver, but i think it will a really great toy :) thanks for your works on it
1200606902 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1200606909 M * Bertl feel free to hang around ...
1200606913 M * kaouete :)
1200606924 J * Punkie ~Punkie@home.pekelny.net
1200606928 J * phizeek matt@68-115-148-045.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com
1200606937 M * Bertl wb Punkie!
1200606939 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: do you have a list of current 2.6.24 issues?
1200606947 M * Bertl welcome phizeek!
1200606950 M * phizeek thanks
1200606952 M * Punkie Hi Bertl ;)
1200606957 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: mainline or Linux-VServer related?
1200606971 M * daniel_hozac the latter, i guess.
1200606994 M * Bertl let's see ...
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1200607104 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-94-190-217.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net
1200607199 M * Bertl scheduler, xfs (partially fixed, untested), reiserf (probably resolved), security_vm_enough_memory_mm(feature), init pid stuff, x86 ptrace, vtime, user spaces (needs testing)
1200607322 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@e180222198.adsl.alicedsl.de
1200607354 M * daniel_hozac could you clarify security_vm_enough_memory_mm and vtime?
1200607385 M * Bertl I think we are missing some time virtualization in time.c
1200607393 M * Bertl (specifically settime)
1200607415 M * Bertl the security_vm_enough_memory_mm is just a feature idea, we might want to move Linux-VServer related checks there
1200607461 M * daniel_hozac okay.
1200607525 M * daniel_hozac i'll try to get the initpid stuff completely fixed.
1200607535 P * aurel42 
1200607591 M * Bertl ah, I also found a note on an af_unix.h check which moved, so something might be wrong there too
1200608209 M * Bertl just checked, it was the next_unix_socket check
1200608259 M * daniel_hozac yeah. looks like they've just been copied to net/unix/af_unix.c
1200608272 M * daniel_hozac s/copied/moved/
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