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1200097632 J * Infinito argos@201-2-49-202.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1200098816 J * zagor ~zagor@host201-86-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1200098868 M * zagor hi to all
1200098909 M * zagor i can submit to the chan a litte problem? or is too late?
1200098961 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure what too late means in this context...
1200099003 M * zagor i have a strange problem related in ntpd on vserver, i have read the docs on the old wikis 
1200099027 M * zagor and set the appropriete caps SYS_TIME and loopback on the vserver but.
1200099029 M * daniel_hozac why are you running ntpd in a guest?
1200099095 M * zagor i have a very strange enviorement but is too complicated to explain :-) if you have time i tell you 
1200099158 M * zagor i have test the same ntpd.conf on a real servers and works fine
1200099174 M * Bertl_oO let me ask a simple question here: what is the advantage you see on running ntpd inside a guest, compared to on the host?
1200099209 M * Bertl_oO (just curious, I'm not saying that you cannot do it inside a guest :)
1200099362 M * zagor i've no control on the real server, i have to setup a ntpd daemon inside the guest for provide ntp update to the client that are connected to the same segment
1200099415 M * daniel_hozac so how have you managed to get capabilities added?
1200099422 M * Bertl_oO but you need at least some 'control' on the host (physical machine) to setup ntpd
1200099464 M * daniel_hozac if you just want to distribute time, i believe there are better daemons.
1200099472 M * zagor i have send information on howto modified bcapabilites to my customer bur for security reason i have no access to the root server
1200099495 M * zagor better daemons such as?
1200099514 M * Bertl_oO openntpd for example
1200099571 M * zagor ok henning implementation i know, but i have to use ntpd
1200099599 M * Bertl_oO well, then you need some more support from the host maintainer
1200099698 M * Bertl_oO ntpd not only hooks into the kernel to maintain precise time, it also does weird things with the interfaces (networking)
1200099708 M * zagor i've do a full strace of ntpq -p, bind to 123 on localhost fail  
1200099743 M * Bertl_oO if a bind fails, that just means that something (ntpd on the host?) is already holding that port
1200099754 M * zagor the port in free
1200099774 M * Bertl_oO then bind should succeed, unless ntpd is binding the port twice
1200099788 M * zagor i'm not a vserver newbie i use it from 2002 :-)
1200099813 A * sid3windr bets Bertl_oO uses it longer 
1200099814 M * sid3windr :>
1200099821 M * Bertl_oO note: you probably have address remapping enabled (if it is a recent kernel) and in this case, 127.0.0.1 and the public IP will result in the same binding
1200099836 M * zagor if i request you help i'm in critic situation :-)
1200099858 M * daniel_hozac recent? i thought that was done since 1.2, at least.
1200099873 M * Bertl_oO okay, s/recent/not ancient/
1200099877 M * sid3windr :)
1200099879 M * daniel_hozac hehe
1200099907 M * zagor the bind on the public ip work, but with fudge localhost parameter on ntpd.con request bind to localhost for set the time on the localmachine
1200099940 M * zagor vs2.2.0.3 
1200099958 M * daniel_hozac you can't bind to the public IP _and_ localhost, since they're one and the same
1200099958 M * Bertl_oO and that results in a binding to the public ip (after remapping) and thus fails (that would at least be my theory)
1200100084 M * Bertl_oO and you definitely want to enable the huff-n'-puff filter with 'tinker huffpuff' ... (sorry had to mention that :)
1200100296 M * zagor ntpd is a shit 
1200100313 M * Bertl_oO to some extend, yep
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1200100353 M * Bertl_oO I ended up replacing all my 'original' ntpd setups with openntpd or just simple periodic time grabbing
1200100401 M * Bertl_oO even on non-Linux-VServer guests it causes too many problems with dynamic IPs and interfaces
1200100409 M * Bertl_oO s/guest/machines/
1200100504 J * zagor-ntp ~zagor@host243-86-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1200100561 M * zagor-ntp now i understand becouse openbsd have reimplement the ntp daemon!
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1200101375 M * zagor good night, thanks 
1200101971 Q * zagor 
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1200111162 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1200111169 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1200111179 M * matti Goodnight Bertl_zZ ;]
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1200137276 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1200137289 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1200138297 M * blizz heyho
1200138312 M * Bertl hey blizz! how's going?
1200138316 M * blizz i'm having strange problems with DNAT routing. trying to redirect a public ip's port to an internal host
1200138331 M * blizz hey bertl :-) i'm fine, and how are you?
1200138341 M * Bertl fine, thanks ... s/host/guest/ I assume
1200138353 M * blizz exactly
1200138375 M * Bertl and the problem is?
1200138448 M * blizz i set everything up: added a primary ip (10.0.0.1) in the host, added an SNAT rule (which works fine) for the whole internal subnet and a DNAT rule for public_ip:80 which should redirect to a guest
1200138470 M * blizz according to `ip addr list` the addresses are all correct
1200138507 M * Bertl what does tcpdump show when you connect to public_ip:80 (on the host)?
1200138511 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines)
1200138634 M * blizz i'm going to kill my ISP if it's an external firewall :-)
1200138640 M * blizz it shows _nothing_ when i try to connect
1200138671 M * Bertl hehe, that would explain it pretty much, no? :)
1200138702 M * blizz indeed.. now i just have to find that b**** :-)
1200138739 M * blizz let's see what happens if i run something on the host on port 80
1200139198 M * blizz *lol*
1200139210 M * blizz Bertl: i assume you know hosteurope
1200139221 M * blizz i just read the mail regarding the contract
1200139230 M * blizz "Ihre Firewall erreichen Sie unter der Adresse"
1200139242 M * Bertl hehe
1200139263 M * blizz what a day :-)
1200139289 M * Bertl a good day for you, could have been 'sorry, no servers allowed' :)
1200139323 M * blizz yes... now i have a big, fat java applet running 
1200139336 M * blizz with system load and traffic status graphs
1200139339 M * blizz that's pretty cool. lol
1200139361 M * blizz thanks for your help as always :)
1200139369 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1200141227 J * TrueBrain truelight@81.171.98.110
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1200141259 M * TrueBrain Hi! Question, I have something weird going on... when I run 'vps ax' it 'hangs'. When I join a certain VPS, and run 'ps ax', it hangs (and really, it doesn't respond to anything). How can this happen?
1200141453 M * TrueBrain on a side effect, any attempt to reserve memory in any VPS or in the main system results in an error
1200141780 M * Bertl sounds like a kernel problem, could be caused by a network filesystem or kernel bug
1200141788 M * Bertl what kernel version is that?
1200141795 M * TrueBrain 'nfs' is giving me ahard time
1200141809 M * TrueBrain 'stale' handles happens a lot, stuff like that
1200141811 M * TrueBrain 2.6.19
1200141827 M * Bertl no Linux-VServer patch?
1200141840 M * TrueBrain 2.6.19-vs2.2.0-rc11-gentoo
1200141866 M * Bertl well, update suggested, but do you get any messages in dmesg?
1200141879 M * TrueBrain tons of: NFS timeout, retrying
1200141906 M * TrueBrain And yes, updating, but that isn't that simple on production servers :)
1200141967 M * Bertl how so? you simply rsync all guests to the backup system, and restart them there, then upgrade
1200142019 M * TrueBrain rsync on 80 GiB VPSes... take about 5 hours to rsync :( (the initial rsync can be done while VPS is active, but at some point you have to shut it down and rsync again, not?)
1200142051 M * Bertl yes, but you do that on a per guest basis, so it takes a few seconds for each of them
1200142064 M * Bertl (which is also the downtime for each of them :)
1200142069 P * friendly12345 
1200142112 M * TrueBrain 1 VPS is 80 GiB in size, so it doesn't take a few seconds :(
1200142152 M * TrueBrain "eth1: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq." <- hmm... that is also in dmesg now..
1200142167 M * Bertl nvidia chipset uh-oh ...
1200142186 M * TrueBrain are they that bad? :)
1200142186 M * Bertl the 80gigs change every few seconds?
1200142215 M * TrueBrain it changes a lot, yes, but the main problem is that building the filelist alone takes for ever
1200142250 M * Bertl hmm, how many files are there?
1200142275 M * Bertl just curious ...
1200142289 M * TrueBrain I don't now really... I guess 1M+... about 1000 domains webhosting, so tons of small files
1200142316 M * Bertl might make sense to break that down at some point
1200142344 M * Bertl i.e. have several guests instead of a single one if possible
1200142347 M * TrueBrain I wish my client agree'd ;)
1200142381 M * Bertl but good to hear that 1000 domain guests work fine (to some extend)
1200142410 M * Bertl there is a single apache or so running and serving all of them?
1200142415 M * TrueBrain it all runs very smooth, just NFS is acting stupid, and then this weird problem that it something hangs :p
1200142434 M * TrueBrain Apache2, yes
1200142455 M * Bertl do you know, how many threads are active?
1200142473 M * Bertl (you can gather that info from /proc/virtual/)
1200142529 M * TrueBrain the machine just rebooted, so currently about 100
1200142533 M * TrueBrain streches to about 150 - 200
1200142543 M * TrueBrain average load of 5.00 ;)
1200142548 M * Bertl how much memory does the host have?
1200142585 M * TrueBrain the main machine has 4 GiB of RAM, the VPS has 2 GiB + 2 GiB (RAM + Swap) allocated
1200142596 M * TrueBrain Apache needs it :p (memory sucking http)
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1200143403 M * TrueBrain is there a more stable network file system? (besides NFS that is)
1200143593 M * waldi nfs4
1200143636 M * TrueBrain it should run nfs4, but it keeps falling back to nfs3, for reasons I don't understand ;)
1200143681 M * waldi there is no fallback from 4 to 3
1200143690 M * waldi they are not compatible
1200143701 M * TrueBrain I force a mount with -t nfs4, and when I run 'nfsstat', it only communicates via nfs3
1200143759 M * TrueBrain (in fact, sometimes it even communicates with nfs2 :s)
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1200144240 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... bbl
1200144245 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1200144866 M * awk Bertl_oO thats that rsync worked nicely to copy a vserver to another box...
1200144873 M * awk simple change ip and vserver host start :)
1200145483 M * TrueBrain One of the things I love the most about vserver, you can just pick up a VPS, deploy it on any other host, start it, and it works :) Makes life much easier ;)
1200146036 P * TrueBrain So long and tnx for all the fish
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