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1199676342 J * QueenLIVES ~abc123@24-216-64-161.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1199676347 M * QueenLIVES sup
1199676359 M * Bertl_oO welcome QueenLIVES!
1199676559 P * QueenLIVES 
1199677603 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1199677611 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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1199692465 M * gebura morning folks
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1199693939 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-68.kollegiegaarden.dk
1199694849 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85.127.102.217
1199696259 J * dna ~dna@85-245-dsl.kielnet.net
1199696799 M * bXi morning
1199696865 M * bXi how can i enable mounting inside a vserver?
1199696876 M * daniel_hozac VXC_SECURE_MOUNT
1199696885 M * JonB bXi: cant you mount at boot time?
1199696905 M * bXi JonB: nope
1199696934 M * daniel_hozac do you need to do the mount _inside_ the guest?
1199696939 M * bXi yeah
1199696973 M * bXi i'm working with a buildroot made by a company from which we use a linux enviroment
1199696983 M * bXi and the scripts in that buildroot need to be able to mount
1199697043 M * bXi hoe does VXC_SECURE_MOUNT work exactly?
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1199697160 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1199697366 M * bXi daniel_hozac: how does VXC_SECURE_MOUNT work exactly?
1199697699 J * harry ~harry@d54C363EF.access.telenet.be
1199698050 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@p5B23D087.dip.t-dialin.net
1199698117 N * AStorm Guest2374
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1199700200 J * marcel ~marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl
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1199700669 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077127128.chello.pl
1199702808 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1199702819 M * Bertl morning folks!
1199702917 M * Bertl bXi: it allows the guest to mount device based filesystems and automatically adds 'nodev' to make it 'secure'
1199703459 M * AStorm heh, nodev filesystems being secure... what a load
1199703471 M * AStorm anyone who can mount a tmpfs can circumvent that
1199703484 M * AStorm and otherwise they can't make device nodes anyway
1199703549 M * AStorm It'd be much better to have a vfs toggle to mark a part of fs nomount, nobind, nomove or similar
1199703577 M * AStorm some MACs probably can do that
1199703625 M * AStorm or alternatively, only allow mounting entries from fstab
1199703657 Q * pusling Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199704000 M * Bertl how can you circumvent that with a tmpfs, besdies the fact that this isn't a device based filesystem?
1199704046 M * Bertl AStorm: and note: on Linux-VServer you have the bind mount extensions, which exactly do what you want
1199704066 M * AStorm :-)
1199704083 M * AStorm Bertl: simple, just mount tmpfs over the part you want to have devices on
1199704098 M * AStorm w/o nodev, you'll just be able to add some
1199704126 M * Bertl yes, but you would get 'nodev' there too, so?
1199704178 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1199704189 M * AStorm Bertl: the attacker won't
1199704194 M * AStorm :>
1199704216 M * AStorm you have to deny both mounting, mv of the devices and creating devices
1199704235 M * AStorm also, protect udev config files if you use it
1199704375 M * Bertl AStorm: are you just talking nonsense or is there a point?
1199704381 M * AStorm there is
1199704390 M * AStorm nodev is pointless on its own
1199704477 M * Bertl how so?
1199704524 M * AStorm if you can create a node, you can mount a filesystem on top (as you have root)
1199704562 M * Bertl you cannot create a device node with nodev. period.
1199704577 M * AStorm yep
1199704590 M * AStorm but that doesn't stop you from mounting another fs over that one with nodev. period
1199704624 M * Bertl correct, on which you also cannot create a device node. period.
1199704654 M * AStorm you can, as nodev isn't transitive
1199704663 M * AStorm or, did they fix that? :>
1199704671 M * Bertl but it will be added unconditionally to all guest mounts
1199704701 M * AStorm ah, then it's all right
1199704712 M * AStorm needs a kernel hack though
1199704783 M * Bertl that is, what SECURE_MOUNT does
1199706585 M * AStorm goodie :D
1199706758 J * Heinzwurst ~i@dsl55-253.pool.bitel.net
1199707223 J * Piet ~piet@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1199707292 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1199707649 J * Julius ~julius@p57B277CE.dip.t-dialin.net
1199707720 J * ViRUS ~mp@p57A6FB64.dip.t-dialin.net
1199707855 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.84.40
1199707912 A * ard6 jumps around
1199707924 A * ard6 with the junghanns duobri
1199707941 A * ard6 hopes each port can be accessed from a different asterisk
1199708853 J * awk ~awk@kia.inet-corp.com
1199708880 M * awk hello :)
1199708886 M * daniel_hozac hi
1199708900 M * awk hope everyone had a lovely holiday :)
1199708905 M * awk first day back at work :P
1199708952 M * awk anyone experienced an issue complaining about /dev/null when sshing into a vserver? if I vserver servername enter it works fine
1199708971 M * awk but if I ssh with a user it gives me a good couple lines let me pastebin
1199708976 M * awk ~pb
1199708994 M * Wonka ard6: this is #vserver, not #asterisk :)
1199709016 M * awk ard6 if you have an asterisk question i should be able to help
1199709034 M * Wonka ard6: i'd like some dual BRI card too, with at least one of the BRIs NT mode capable... and not too expensive
1199709068 M * Wonka ard6: would be too cool if it was USB, so i won't need a PCI or PCIe slot :)
1199709086 M * awk http://www.pastebin.ca/845077
1199709137 M * daniel_hozac ls -l /dev/null
1199709147 M * awk crw-r--r--  1 root root    1, 3 2007-12-18 10:33 null
1199709155 M * Julius well
1199709196 M * Julius crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-01-07 14:03 /dev/null
1199709199 M * daniel_hozac so what would you expect?
1199709207 M * daniel_hozac users are not allowed to write there.
1199709214 M * Julius every user should be allowed to read/write to /dev/null
1199709225 M * awk hmm, thing is on my host its set like that
1199709230 M * awk and i dont get that error
1199709231 M * Wonka ack Julius 
1199709231 M * awk strange
1199709236 M * awk but I do undestand what u saying
1199709255 M * Julius du you use privilege separation?
1199709296 M * awk strange thing is u+w is set
1199709299 M * Julius Privilege separation uses two processes: The privileged parent process that monitors the progress of the unprivileged child process. The child process is unprivileged. This is achieved by changing its uid/gid to an unused user and restricting its file system access via chroot() to /var/empty. It is the only process that
1199709303 M * awk <awk> crw-r--r--  
1199709331 M * awk isn't that enough, I know I dont have global and group to +w
1199709341 M * awk I just thought u+w is enough? or am i wrong in thinking this
1199709359 M * Julius you are wrong
1199709367 M * awk k :)
1199709368 M * daniel_hozac if you're root, that's enough...
1199709395 M * awk oh I see, sorry, its not owned by the user
1199709397 M * Julius deamons don't nescessarily run as root
1199709397 M * awk its owned by root
1199709398 M * awk my bad...
1199709410 M * ard6 Wonka : my asterisk is running within vserver :-)
1199709432 M * Wonka ard6: nice
1199709434 A * ard6 wants an experimental and production vserver for call script testing
1199709517 M * ard6 It really isn't hard to do, just turn on SYS_NICE and cp the /dev/zap ...
1199709529 M * daniel_hozac IGNEG_NICE is preferred...
1199709568 M * ard6 Well, in this case the asterisk is the primary function... It's in a vserver just to seperate administration tasks :-)
1199709578 M * ard6 but IGNEG_NICE is good to know
1199709587 A * ard6 loves this channel for that
1199709653 M * ard6 A second thing with vserver is that a rollback of a new release is just stopping the new vserver, and starting the backup
1199709673 M * ard6 asterisk is really changing to much to do simple upgrades
1199710034 M * awk ard6 how many calls a day do you push through your box
1199710044 M * awk I have a vserver here doing 30k calls
1199710047 M * awk for coin security
1199710058 M * awk handles like a dream
1199710073 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-68.kollegiegaarden.dk
1199710098 M * awk I was actually getting issues on the box, getting a few D states processes. but it was related to bad hardware
1199710102 J * mire ~mire@86-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1199710181 Q * Heinzwurst Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1199710953 M * ard6 awk : it's just to monitor a crappy supportline call router... It will call the supportline and say something.
1199711024 M * ard6 the supportcenter runs http://www.genesyslab.com/, and that's the most crappiest implementation of call-routing I have ever seen
1199711294 Q * lilalinux_ Remote host closed the connection
1199711443 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-26-128.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
1199711476 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1199711851 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199712483 A * ard6 has compile problems with netfilter/netbios and traffic shaping with the http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.24-rc6-vs2.2.0.5.0.6-pre.diff
1199712485 M * ard6 release
1199713042 M * ard6 yes! it finally compiles!
1199713096 M * gebura maybe could you write a sort note about your problems and the solution on the wiki
1199713112 M * gebura it may be usefull for other peoples 
1199713329 M * JonB ard6: "hello world" ?
1199713331 M * ard6 well, I actually wanted to patch things
1199713358 M * ard6 but daniel_hozac and Bertl are still trying to figure out the route.h problem
1199713372 M * ard6 Actually that's the only problem I saw during the compile
1199713427 M * ard6 gebura : or were you just talking about the asterisk... /me is doing a lot of things at the same time :-)
1199713471 M * gebura no i am talking about the problem your reported when trying to compile your own kernel
1199713488 M * gebura but i haven't read all the discussion of the day
1199713865 M * ard6 ah, ok, no, bertl is porting vs2.2 to the 2.6.24 kernel
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1199713938 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-68.kollegiegaarden.dk
1199714530 M * pmjdebruijn has anybody here experience with fuse/curlftpfs fromw within a vserver?
1199714648 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1199714841 M * Bertl ard6: you still have compile issues with vs2.2.0.5.0.6-pre?
1199714873 M * ard6 Bertl : yes..., netbios-netfilter, and traffic shaping.
1199714879 M * ard6 I've disabled both for now
1199715056 M * Bertl could you upload the config and the error messages so far?
1199715762 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1199715834 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1199715869 M * ard6 of course...
1199715877 M * ard6 just have to recompile again :-)
1199715879 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199715891 M * ard6 without the options it works :-)
1199715927 J * doener_ ~doener@i577AFBC7.versanet.de
1199716097 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1199716182 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-68.kollegiegaarden.dk
1199716333 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1199718241 M * ard6 hmmm
1199718244 M * ard6 I hate this
1199718256 M * ard6 I just forgot I was busy reconfiguring vserver
1199718256 J * pmenier ~pmenier@76-35.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr
1199718398 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1199718403 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1199719795 N * ensc Guest2389
1199719795 Q * Guest2389 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1199719805 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.182.26
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1199719892 J * Julius ~julius@p57B277CE.dip.t-dialin.net
1199720284 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1199720308 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85.127.102.217
1199720845 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
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1199722734 M * ard6 Bertl_oO : http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11313
1199723555 Q * ard6 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199724464 J * __gh__ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1199725641 J * ard6 ~ard@2002:d9c4:2909:1::1
1199725838 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-062-243-211.pools.arcor-ip.net
1199726046 J * Linus ~nuhks@bl7-139-12.dsl.telepac.pt
1199726281 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com
1199726638 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1199726948 Q * balbir Read error: Connection reset by peer
1199727090 J * pego ~pego@nts2.neteyes.org
1199727097 N * pego kzim
1199727101 M * kzim hi there
1199727139 M * kzim i have installed server 2.2 on a kernel 2.6.20.20 and i got a Must be run from the host server (security context 0) on a "vserver/ctx-patch" enabled kernel
1199727144 M * kzim anyone can help please
1199727227 M * dowdle kzim: Hand around a little and I'm sure someone will help you.... eventually.  The support in this channel is really, really good.
1199727278 M * kzim thx
1199727375 M * dowdle kzim: Bertl_oO (oO meaning he is busy) is the project leader and daniel_hozac his right-hand man. 
1199727592 M * kzim wow
1199727630 M * dowdle kzim: This channel is where they do a considerable portion of their development work. :)
1199727768 M * kzim i'm sure it's a stupid question :/
1199727790 M * ard6 strace it
1199727803 M * ard6 and look if it's a kernel message
1199728038 M * kzim hard to see
1199728064 M * ard6 strace -f ..., look if it starts saying something before it even tries...
1199728085 M * ard6 I am guessing that the userspace is protecting you from trying to make a "mistake" :-)
1199728125 M * Julius I tried to use the dummy0 interface for internal networking and it didn't work
1199728184 M * kzim i don't have CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY=y perhaps it's a problem
1199728248 M * ard6 ah
1199728256 M * ard6 never ever use _LEGACY in vserver :-)
1199728280 M * kzim :/
1199728282 M * kzim access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ?
1199728672 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1199728694 M * Bertl kzim: what's the problem? try testme.sh on the host system
1199728716 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh
1199728728 M * Bertl upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org
1199728801 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection
1199728813 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com
1199728837 M * kzim http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11314
1199728875 M * Bertl you need newer tools 0.30.214 is current, you have 0.30.204
1199728891 M * Bertl what distro do you use on the host system?
1199728903 M * kzim sarge
1199728922 M * Bertl then get the tools from backports, they should have at least 0.30.213
1199728930 M * kzim but i get newer vserver patch
1199728942 M * kzim nice
1199728973 M * Bertl you can, if you really must, use the old tools with the new kernel, but it is not really advised for several reasons
1199728993 M * Bertl but you need to recompile the kernel and the tools for that, so no point there ...
1199729241 M * kzim ok
1199729267 M * kzim i really really need to leave work now but i thanks you a lot for you're time. i'll be back tomorrow thanks
1199729306 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1199729355 M * kzim later
1199729357 Q * kzim Quit: leaving
1199730111 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1199730341 M * Bertl bbl
1199730345 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1199730838 Q * ftx Read error: No route to host
1199730959 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-062-243-211.pools.arcor-ip.net
1199731141 Q * ema Quit: leaving
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1199734871 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1199735315 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1199737080 N * phedny Guest2413
1199737088 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1199737253 M * dowdle Just got my digital edition of Linux Journal Feb 2008.  Virtualization is the topic for it.  It has an article on VMware, Xen, QEMU, Virtualbox... but hell no, no mention of OS Virtualization.  Bastards.
1199737492 Q * Guest2413 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199737999 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-99-254.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net
1199738667 M * Bertl dowdle: who uses that OS virtualization anyway? :)
1199738712 M * Bertl much too lightweight and performant for real world usage ...
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1199740103 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A30FB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1199740433 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-160.dclient.hispeed.ch
1199741592 A * ard doesn't really see it as virtualization
1199741625 M * ard I think container and jail are better names for it :-)
1199741647 M * ard even if you do Xen, I still want to have vserver on it :-)
1199741791 M * ard next to that: asterisk doesn't really work with Xen f.i. .. :-)
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1199743684 M * Guy- how could I allow a vserver to create and then see a tap interface?
1199743695 M * Guy- the NET_ADMIN bcap will allow it to create one
1199743712 M * Guy- ifconfig up will probably bring it up
1199743719 M * Guy- but the guest still doesn't see it
1199743735 M * Bertl yep, together with an address, assgined to the guest, it will become 'visible' too
1199743770 M * Bertl but it's probably better to avoid the network namespace in such a setup
1199743784 M * daniel_hozac it's preferable to setup the tap device outside.
1199743788 M * daniel_hozac and just let the guest use it.
1199743796 M * Bertl definitely
1199743800 M * Guy- yes, I would normally do that
1199743804 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego.
1199743814 M * Guy- but this is virtualbox, which comes with its own tools to manage the interfaces
1199743820 M * Guy- I don't want those on the host
1199743832 M * Guy- on the other hand...
1199743834 M * daniel_hozac does it have to bring them up and down?
1199743846 M * daniel_hozac can you not preconfigure it to the right IP address etc.?
1199743854 M * Guy- I'll try that
1199743862 M * Guy- maybe it'll work
1199743998 M * Guy- what should I use to create tap interfaces? I normally use openvpn, but maybe there's something more lightweight
1199744011 M * Bertl tunctl
1199744025 M * daniel_hozac i'll be adding support for that soon enough to util-vserver.
1199744074 M * Guy- Bertl: from uml-utilities?
1199744083 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1199744096 M * Bertl well, mandriva has a package called tunctl, I usually use that :)
1199744131 M * Guy- debian doesn't, unfortunately
1199744160 M * Guy- hah! I think virtualbox ships tunctl as VBoxTunCtl :)
1199744212 M * daniel_hozac that's an awful command name...
1199744234 M * Guy- I agree
1199744238 M * Bertl could be worse, think VbOxTuNcTl :)
1199744303 M * Guy- now, the way I understand this, I'm supposed to bridge the tap interface with my eth0
1199744319 M * Guy- and the virtual guest OS will assign an IP to it on its side
1199744341 M * Guy- (the virtual guest OS being the one run in virtualbox)
1199744343 M * Guy- will this work?
1199744490 M * daniel_hozac so the virtualbox guest is supposed to appear on the same physical network as the vserver host/guest?
1199744505 M * Guy- yes
1199744512 M * Guy- (as the vserver host, actually)
1199744534 M * Guy- the vserver guest otherwise only has an IP on a dummy0 interface and I use nat to give it network access
1199744535 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone! cya!
1199744540 M * Guy- 'night Bertl
1199744540 M * daniel_hozac i guess a bridge is what you want then.
1199744543 M * daniel_hozac good night Bertl!
1199744543 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1199744549 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: yes, I want a bridge, certainly
1199744568 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: the question is, how do I configure vserver to make this setup work?
1199744577 M * Guy- I create the tap interface on the host and add it to the bridge
1199744580 M * Guy- then what?
1199744600 M * daniel_hozac assign it an IP address, give the guest access to that address.
1199744669 M * Guy- what, if any, is the relationship between the IP I give the host end of the tap interface and the IP the guest OS inside virtualbox is going to use?
1199744695 M * Guy- the way I understand it, it will appear to be connected to the other end of a virtual ethernet cable that end in this tap interface
1199744702 M * Guy- that ends
1199744714 M * daniel_hozac well, it's just for posterity.
1199744732 M * daniel_hozac i.e. i think it should work fine even without an IP address, but the guest won't be able to see the interface then.
1199744739 M * Guy- right
1199744746 M * Guy- OK, I'll try this
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