1199318437 J * romke romke@acrux.romke.net
1199318452 Q * romke 
1199318484 J * romke romke@acrux.romke.net
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1199320343 M * Supaplex the host can: nc svn 22, just fine, but any other host cannot. (the guest has no nc installed). Why do other hosts report connection refused?
1199320391 M * daniel_hozac try the IP?
1199320411 M * Supaplex dns is ok
1199320446 M * Supaplex strace -Ffe connect -- svn co svn+ssh://svn/home/supaplex   ... [pid 30964] connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(22), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.141.0.7")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
1199320470 M * daniel_hozac iptables?
1199320498 M * Supaplex host has no iptables rules. i'll double check the other hosts just in case.
1199320530 M * Supaplex yup. empty.
1199320555 M * daniel_hozac netstat -pnlt in the guest?
1199320574 M * Supaplex tcp        0      0 10.141.0.7:22           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     2016/sshd
1199320613 M * daniel_hozac and it's not being routed in any particular way or something like that?
1199320695 M * Supaplex let me tcpdump on the devbox
1199320810 M * Supaplex odd... the devbox has no tcpdump activity?!?!
1199320845 M * Supaplex ouuu router might firewall this. humm
1199321316 M * Supaplex omh! duplicate ip addresses :(
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1199322359 Q * matti Read error: Connection reset by peer
1199322757 Q * FireEgl Read error: No route to host
1199323546 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1199323688 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1199326074 M * Supaplex do I have to restart the guest for it to mount entries in fstab? (configured from /etc/vservers/.../fstab)
1199326104 M * Bertl_oO yes, unless you enter the namespace and mount them manually
1199326137 M * Supaplex when I mount it, I get permission denied
1199326150 M * Bertl_oO namespace not guest context
1199326162 M * Bertl_oO i.e. vnamespace ... instead of vserver ... enter
1199326178 M * Supaplex oh my bad, guest fstab bit me. 1m.
1199326194 M * Supaplex ahh ok
1199326210 M * daniel_hozac and in the future, vmount ;)
1199326229 M * Bertl_oO ah, cool! has all the magic?
1199326251 M * Bertl_oO will there be something like 'vmount -a' ?
1199326299 M * Bertl_oO btw, we finally moved, although we don't have internet on the new location
1199326318 M * Bertl_oO had to do some wifi magic to keep us connected :)
1199326325 M * Supaplex vnamespace -e manage -- sh    right?
1199326359 M * daniel_hozac oh, how is the new place? (disregarding the lacking internet ;))
1199326388 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: well, it is huge compared to the old one, but a lot of stuff needs fixing (but we knew and expected that)
1199326411 M * daniel_hozac Supaplex: yes.
1199326429 M * daniel_hozac Bertl_oO: ah, what kind of stuff?
1199326476 M * Supaplex http://rafb.net/p/21t74V72.html
1199326485 M * Supaplex line 2 has me confused
1199326529 M * daniel_hozac how so?
1199326530 M * Supaplex oh yeah, http://rafb.net/p/KC44Ht10.html    line 1 works just fine before the guest was started.
1199326551 M * Supaplex well, the host has files in /backups
1199326572 M * daniel_hozac well, /backups is probably unmounted as part of the namespace cleanup when the guest starts.
1199326604 M * daniel_hozac you can make it skip that mount point by putting /backups in /etc/vservers/<guest or .defaults>/namespace-cleanup-skip
1199326630 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: well, we disassembled, cleaned and reassembled the pump providing water from the well, for example :)
1199326650 M * Bertl_oO (it is an electrical pump though :)
1199326667 M * Supaplex manage:~# ls -l /net/riddle/backups/
1199326667 M * Supaplex total 5910272
1199326676 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1199326677 M * Supaplex so I guess I'm stuck with restarting it huh?
1199326686 M * daniel_hozac yep...
1199326703 M * daniel_hozac Bertl_oO: hehe, how bad was it?
1199326720 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1199326740 M * Bertl_oO everything was unused for about 6 years, took us two days to clean it :)
1199326754 M * daniel_hozac hah, wow.
1199326773 M * Supaplex awesome. well, initial once over looks good so far.
1199326777 N * Hollow_ Hollow
1199326781 M * Bertl_oO anyway, will tell more tomorrow evening, have to get to bed now .. and up early ... have fun!
1199326783 M * Supaplex time to back this puppy up before a dist-upgrade.
1199326790 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1199326790 M * daniel_hozac good night!
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1199330809 J * teknoprep ~tekno@c-76-117-113-180.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1199330812 M * teknoprep hey all
1199330817 M * teknoprep i am using ubuntu
1199330831 M * teknoprep and am getting segfaults from vserver testbuild build
1199330848 M * daniel_hozac only? Ubuntu usually segfaults whatever you do...
1199330857 M * teknoprep heh
1199330868 M * teknoprep well i am just testing out vserver
1199330882 M * teknoprep i have ubuntu on my laptop
1199330884 M * daniel_hozac (unfortunately not a joke. their dietlibc is broken, so anything built using it is broken too)
1199330958 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-58-72.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru
1199331160 M * teknoprep vserver seems like a great idea
1199331178 M * teknoprep vserver gives each guest OS use of the actual hardware on the host OS 
1199331181 M * teknoprep is that correct?
1199331201 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1199331216 M * teknoprep i am wanting to use it for a bunch of asterisk boxes
1199331227 M * teknoprep now usually i would use vmware.. but asterisk and vmware just doesn't mix
1199331244 M * daniel_hozac that's a fairly common usage, from what i gather.
1199331274 M * teknoprep yeah reason probably being vmware qemu xen just don't cut it for asterisk
1199331367 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1199331660 M * teknoprep has anyone written a webpage admin for vserver ?
1199331671 M * teknoprep or say a web page statistics page ?
1199331688 M * teknoprep similar to the vmware mui for vmware server
1199331719 M * daniel_hozac there's openvcp, and a number of monitoring systems have vserver plugins.
1199331764 M * teknoprep daniel_hozac, do you know of a pre-packaged iso ?
1199331772 M * teknoprep that has this stuff already install and vserver ready to go
1199331781 M * daniel_hozac uh, no.
1199331782 M * teknoprep so i can just install it on a box and start using vserver ?
1199331854 M * teknoprep having those types of installs makes applications gain recognition
1199331953 M * daniel_hozac i see no reason to make custom ISOs when it's included in e.g. Debian and Gentoo already, and with third-party repos for other distributions.
1199331975 M * daniel_hozac it's a lot of work for no real gain.
1199331989 M * teknoprep is it included with fedora ?
1199332041 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver is, you'd need to roll your own kernel.
1199332054 M * daniel_hozac (or rebuild my CentOS kernel, which works fine)
1199332064 M * teknoprep hmmm
1199332087 M * teknoprep so debian would be a good route to go ?
1199332130 M * daniel_hozac as long as you remember to enable backports, i guess it should be fine.
1199332142 M * teknoprep why enable backports ?
1199332176 M * daniel_hozac otherwise you'll get outdated stuff nobody cares about anymore :)
1199332183 M * teknoprep ahh
1199332194 M * teknoprep so lets say i have a centos server running
1199332199 M * teknoprep and i want to copy it to a directory
1199332208 M * teknoprep it will work fine... inside a debian vserver host ?
1199332216 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1199332223 M * teknoprep cool
1199332251 M * teknoprep does the default debian kernel have vserver configured ?
1199332261 M * teknoprep or do i have to apt-get the vserver one 
1199332267 M * daniel_hozac there's a vserver flavor.
1199332279 M * teknoprep on debian.org ?
1199332285 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1199332394 M * teknoprep how does networking work with the guest os ?
1199332409 M * teknoprep does it just share an IP or can i give it its own ip 
1199332539 M * daniel_hozac you can give it separate IPs, or share the host's.
1199332572 M * daniel_hozac networking works just like it does on a regular Linux box, except that the guest is limited to a subset of the host's IP addresses.
1199332590 M * teknoprep what do you mean subset ?
1199332608 M * teknoprep does the guest IP addy have to be assigned at least to a virtual interface of the host ?
1199332631 M * daniel_hozac there's no virtual interface, there are just interfaces.
1199332646 M * teknoprep eth1:1 would be a virtual interface
1199332650 M * daniel_hozac no, that's an alias.
1199332652 M * teknoprep eth1 would be the interface
1199332667 M * daniel_hozac which is really just an ancient way of assigning multiple IPs to an interface.
1199332669 M * teknoprep ahh you're right .. i have been working with vmware too long
1199332684 M * daniel_hozac (Linux hasn't needed that for years)
1199332688 M * teknoprep thats the way i have been doing it for a long time
1199332697 M * teknoprep how is it done these days ?
1199332724 M * daniel_hozac you just assign the addresses to the interface.
1199332740 M * daniel_hozac ip addr add <IP>/<prefix> dev ethX, just like you would normally.
1199332780 M * teknoprep and i can add as many as i want this way?
1199332784 M * teknoprep lol i didn't realize that
1199332810 M * daniel_hozac that's what the utils do when you tell them to assign the address.
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1199333269 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-205-237.pools.arcor-ip.net
1199333301 M * teknoprep when i create a new server
1199333310 M * teknoprep and then start that server later
1199333315 M * teknoprep and say the server reboots
1199333319 M * teknoprep and i start the vserver up again
1199333333 M * teknoprep does the ip addy continue to be saved and started up with that vserver?
1199333510 M * daniel_hozac if you tell the utils that, yes.
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1199354412 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO
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1199356751 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1199356780 M * gebura hi
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1199378629 M * daniel_hozac http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11177
1199379241 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.245
1199379243 M * rgl hello
1199379276 M * daniel_hozac hi
1199379447 N * nebuchad` nebuchadnezzar
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1199380788 Q * JonB 
1199380934 J * g_en__ ~glen@elves.delfi.ee
1199380957 M * g_en__ what do you have to say about vserver-djinni?
1199380966 N * g_en__ glen
1199380971 N * glen glen_
1199380973 N * glen_ glen__
1199380975 N * glen__ glen___
1199380991 N * glen___ glen
1199381009 M * glen eh. sorry about that. appears my irc client doesn't show i change nick 
1199381090 M * daniel_hozac vserver-djinni? is that ensc's old write-up about a build system based on vservers?
1199381119 M * glen yep
1199381146 M * daniel_hozac what is there to say?
1199381169 M * glen dunno. it sucks. don't use. use foo instead. anything? :)
1199381196 M * daniel_hozac you'd have to ask ensc...
1199381218 M * glen as i couldn't play with it as it didn't compile
1199381250 M * daniel_hozac not entirely unexpected... it's quite a few years old by now.
1199381272 M * glen i guessed that... by timestamps
1199381313 M * glen the initial problem was due the wanting of change iptables rules on vserver startup/shutdown
1199381342 M * glen eventually using scripts/pre-start post-stop
1199381354 M * glen or would you suggest something else
1199381369 M * daniel_hozac i don't know what it does or what it's supposed to do.
1199381399 M * glen vserver-djinni is used to do privileged tasks like directory mounting
1199381400 M * glen in unprivileged vservers.
1199381403 M * glen says short summary
1199381982 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-160.dclient.hispeed.ch
1199382333 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
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1199385526 J * blurryrunner ~blurryrun@mail.jivecommunications.com
1199385557 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1199385809 M * blurryrunner so has anyone recently tried vservers on a xen domU?
1199385838 M * daniel_hozac shouldn't be a problem.
1199386029 M * blurryrunner so does that involve patching the kernel for xen then patching it for vserver? I'm a little less familiar with rolling my own kernels
1199386066 M * blurryrunner though i have done it before for just vserver alone
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1199386101 M * daniel_hozac doesn't really matter which order you do them.
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1199387140 J * Julius ~julius@p57B26C87.dip.t-dialin.net
1199387145 M * Julius hiho
1199387308 M * Julius is it recommended to use dummy interfaces for internal networking?
1199387350 M * Julius i think i remember you saying something about giving local network ip addresses to the virtual ethernet devices
1199387438 M * tam That's how I do it.
1199387458 M * Julius dummy interfaces?
1199387494 M * tam yeah, bind my guests to dummy0 with RFC 1918 addresses and NAT them to eth0
1199387579 M * Julius as described in the manual, okay
1199387661 M * Julius i need a testing network for kerberos, ldap, afs etc...
1199387806 M * Julius does dhcp work with these dummy devices?
1199387829 M * tam now that's an interesting question...
1199387841 M * tam I give them all static ip's, so I couldn't tell you.
1199387844 M * tam My guess would be no.
1199387847 M * daniel_hozac dummy devices are like /dev/null.
1199387854 M * daniel_hozac they don't transmit nor receive traffic.
1199387860 J * QUEENLIVES ~abc123@24-207-252-190.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1199387891 M * QUEENLIVES sup
1199387990 M * Julius daniel_hozac: that's what i remember
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1199388010 M * Julius unfortunatly that's what the manual says
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1199388097 M * Julius so how do i create ethernet devices with lan addresses?
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1199388278 M * Julius okay, manual is wrong and nobody tells me how to set it up correctly
1199388327 M * daniel_hozac what manual? how is it wrong?
1199388823 M * Julius http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests
1199388832 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@vs079.rosehosting.com
1199388856 M * Julius I'd like to know how to do guest-host & guest-guest networking properly
1199388876 M * daniel_hozac that should work fine then.
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1199398093 M * jescheng Is it possible to do vprocunhide on per vserver basis?
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1199401345 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1199401354 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1199402080 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com
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