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1196406835 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1196407504 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1196407521 M * gebura hi
1196407582 M * JonB morning
1196408592 J * mire ~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1196409260 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-160.dclient.hispeed.ch
1196409662 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.9.68
1196409665 M * rgl hellos
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1196412547 J * grocanar ~grocanar@patefgh.int-evry.fr
1196412557 M * grocanar hi there
1196412592 M * grocanar is there anybody alive or is it too eary?
1196412598 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1196412603 M * JonB i'm sleepy
1196412854 J * igraltist ~user4@kasten-edv.de
1196412862 M * gebura grocanar, yes i am , if you have a question just tell us , we ( aline peoples :) ) will try  to help you
1196412871 M * gebura alive
1196413478 M * rgl OT: you guys known if lvm in mirror mode (raid1) will store checksums in all written data?
1196413503 M * renihs ?
1196413505 Q * grocanar Read error: Connection timed out
1196413507 M * renihs no?
1196413511 M * renihs raid = block level
1196413515 M * JonB rgl: i dont think so
1196413528 M * renihs it doesnt know anything about filesystems :P
1196413535 M * rgl is there a way to do this?  or is this a FS thing?
1196413541 M * JonB but i only tried regular mirror raid, not inside LVM
1196413555 J * grocanar ~grocanar@patefgh.int-evry.fr
1196413560 M * rgl as in hardware raid JonB ?
1196413563 M * JonB rgl: i dont even think a linux fs can do checksums
1196413573 M * JonB rgl: no, as in software raid using md devices
1196413612 J * oddworker ~mario@mail2.reha-schotten.de
1196413615 M * rgl ah ok. 
1196413632 M * rgl I'm want lvm due to snapshots.
1196413637 M * JonB yes
1196413648 M * JonB but LVM can run ontop of a software raid
1196413652 M * JonB thats what i always do
1196413707 M * rgl I'm confused, I can run raid1 with or without md?
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1196413831 M * JonB rgl: you can run raid1 in hardware, software raid (md), i dont think you can run mirror in lvm
1196413837 M * JonB the lvm howto doesnt mention it
1196413890 M * rgl ok.  I'm thinking in the md + lvm2 route which you've mentioned.
1196413916 M * rgl have you tried to do smoke tests?  like, corrupt one HD, and see md detect it?
1196413930 M * JonB there is a "Mirror target (EXPERIMENTAL)"
1196413941 M * JonB under device mapper support in 2.6.22.9
1196413948 M * JonB so i suppose lvm has mirror support
1196413977 M * rgl lvm for itself can do mirror or striping.
1196413980 M * JonB i have not tested with forced errors, but i have alot of experience that tells me that linux software raid does detect errors
1196413994 M * JonB lvm howto only mentioned striping
1196414019 P * friendly12345 
1196414044 M * rgl odd, I think I remember mirroring.
1196414072 M * rgl you normally use raid1 or other the other modes, like raid 5?
1196414096 M * JonB that depends on how many disks i have
1196414117 M * JonB if i have 2 disks i use mirror. 3-5/6 disks i use raid5
1196414121 M * JonB more than that raid6
1196414131 M * rgl makes sense :-)
1196414149 M * JonB i dont use raid10
1196414155 M * rgl I only got 2.  so raid1 is the only way.
1196414160 M * JonB no
1196414164 M * JonB you can do raid0 as well
1196414171 M * JonB and linear
1196414177 M * JonB but then you loose all the security
1196414181 M * rgl I'm doing raid0 now, and I think I made a big mistake :|
1196414212 M * JonB i hope you havent lost any important data
1196414221 M * rgl like, yesterday, this blowed on me.  
1196414238 M * rgl I lost one database :|
1196414252 M * JonB nasty
1196414259 M * JonB then you better run mirror raid
1196414275 M * rgl what is odd, is that I didn't receive any warning messages at all.
1196414292 M * JonB how would you like to have that?
1196414308 M * rgl and three lvm mounted volumes gone crazy.
1196414310 M * JonB the disk doesnt KNOW when it is crashing
1196414328 M * JonB the S.M.A.R.T data might indicate something
1196414332 M * JonB but not always
1196414347 M * renihs smart should be used with care
1196414360 M * rgl but on my desktop I got errors on syslog, like kernel messages saying I/O error
1196414360 M * renihs without a huge device database to compare with its information isnt reliable at all
1196414409 M * rgl because the disk can't really known its running ok, I asked about checksum :D
1196414417 J * larsivi_ ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1196414479 M * rgl AFICT running raid1 wont help too.  I need raid5 for checksum, and 3 disk min.
1196414498 M * JonB rgl: that is partially true
1196414519 M * JonB rgl: i'd suggest reading some general material explaining how raid works
1196414540 M * JonB with mirror and raid 5 you can loose 1 disk and still access all your disk
1196414556 M * JonB with raid6 you can loose 2 disks and still access all your data
1196414561 M * JonB with mirror and raid 5 you can loose 1 disk and still access all your data
1196414603 M * JonB with raid10 (4 disks) you can loose some 2 disks and still access all data
1196414630 M * rgl why you mention mirror and raid 5?  won't raid 5 do mirror by definition?
1196414635 M * JonB update on mirror, raid5 and raid6... you can loose ANY disk and still access your data
1196414645 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196414653 M * JonB rgl: well sort of
1196414704 M * rgl humm, so you run raid5 on top of mirror?
1196414717 M * JonB rgl: no, you dont
1196414718 M * JonB rgl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_1
1196414746 M * JonB rgl: mirror means that the 2 disks in the raid set contain IDENTICAL data, bit for bit
1196414782 M * rgl but how does it known its correct data?  it doesn't because the read can come from either disk, correct?
1196414808 M * JonB rgl: i think with mirror that it reads both disks and compares
1196414871 M * JonB rgl: with raid5 on 3 disks you actually run raid0 on 2 disks, and use some matematical trickery to store enough information on the 3. disk such that either (disk 1 or disk2) combined with the 3. disk can restore all the data
1196414909 M * rgl you known any docs about mirror?  is the Documentation/md.txt enough?
1196414921 M * JonB rgl: with raid5 on 4 disks you actually run raid0 on 3 disks, and use some matematical trickery to store enough information on the 4. disk such that either (disk 1&2 or disk2&3) combined with the 4. disk can restore all the data
1196414926 M * rgl JonB, I see. :D
1196414929 M * JonB rgl: it might be enough
1196415014 M * rgl how about restoring, known any docs?  I got some from howtoforge.com and linuxjournal.com.   you known any reliable sources?
1196415094 Q * grocanar Read error: Connection timed out
1196415124 M * JonB rgl: raid the linux software raid howto?
1196415136 M * rgl JonB, ah I got that too. :D
1196415136 M * JonB rgl: but restoring is partly automatic
1196415150 M * rgl (from tldp.org)
1196415178 M * JonB rgl: you can run the raids in degraded mode. actually it switches automnatically to degraded mode if one disk fails
1196415207 M * rgl the thing is, like you said, how does it known it fails? hehe
1196415228 M * JonB then that disk is kicked from the raid and you can shutdown the machine, change the disk and when it boots up again you can add the new disk to the old raid and it will no longer be degraded
1196415250 M * JonB rgl: i suppose it reads all data from all disks and compares them every time there is a read/write
1196415253 J * grocanar ~grocanar@patefgh.int-evry.fr
1196415288 M * JonB and if some disk returns a bad read/write error then it will be kicked
1196415299 M * rgl how you check their state?  you got a script to check /proc/mdstat?
1196415300 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-58-53.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru
1196415303 M * JonB the problem is if you have 2 disks returning 2 different data but no io errors
1196415315 M * JonB rgl: in debian the mdadm package includes such a tool
1196415397 M * rgl ah cool
1196415521 M * rgl JonB, thx for the tips!  I'll enter in reading mode :-)
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1196415914 M * JonB rg/whois rgl
1196415936 M * JonB rgl: dont you have a local Linux User Group that you can come to meetings in?
1196415953 M * rgl JonB, I don't known one here :-(
1196415973 M * rgl JonB, BTW, I'm from Portugal, Lisbon :-)
1196415975 M * JonB rgl: i'm sure there is one
1196415992 M * JonB rgl: else http://nluug.nl/ might be a place to start
1196416387 M * ard with raid5 the mathematical trickery is called exor 8-D
1196416423 A * ard never shuts down systems to replace softraid disks
1196416433 M * ard that's why it is called hotswap
1196416434 M * ard :-)
1196416455 M * JonB ard: you dont use ata disks do you?
1196416478 M * ard scsi or sas or sata :-)
1196416493 M * ard and plain ata @ home
1196416517 M * ard with fingers crossed and the right controller it is possible with ata 8-D
1196416529 M * sid3windr 8 dimensions, eh :>
1196416537 M * ard hdparm can tristate the bus
1196416563 M * ard but that's iff your controller supports it. And ata is never designed to do that
1196416579 M * ard For sata it's in the specs
1196416669 M * JonB ard: so what command do you run for a sata controller?
1196417035 M * rgl ard, so it just works to unplug&replace with md+lvm?
1196417176 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1196417242 Q * ard6 Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared!
1196417508 M * ard rgl no :-)...
1196417543 M * ard If you are really maintaining a lot of computers, you have to write a procedure...
1196417564 M * ard You first have to remove al faulty disks from the raidset with mdamd
1196417569 M * ard mdam --remove or something
1196417598 M * ard then you have to remove the disks from the kernel with echo "scsi remove-single-device ...."
1196417619 M * ard in case of sas and sata you can just swap it, the kernel should see the change
1196417643 M * ard (you have to check the capabilities of the drivers first though :-) )
1196417651 M * rgl I'm using sata.
1196417664 M * rgl the disk drivers?
1196417665 M * ard then you need to look at your sata controller chipset
1196417672 M * ard and the kernel drivers...
1196417673 M * rgl woah!!!
1196417688 M * rgl thats a lot o stuff to go bazurk
1196417741 M * ard http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix
1196417758 M * ard look at the device hotplug column
1196417808 M * ard well, in the end your much *better* off with soft-raid. It's a known format. Never have weird things with the controllers, and it is way faster than most hardware raid controllers
1196417811 M * rgl cool :-D
1196417861 M * ard But you have to practice things like hot-swap and raid disk insertion/removal before you even try to do it on a live system.
1196417866 M * JonB ard: so what command do you run for a sata controller?
1196417869 M * ard So *you* know what to do...
1196417887 M * ard JonB : None... it's hotplug... unless the driver does not support it.
1196417912 M * JonB ard: okay
1196417937 M * rgl ard, yes.  I'll first try it in vserver instances, then in a test box, then in production (with backups at hand *G*)
1196417964 M * ard JonB : But better make sure no-one uses the disk...
1196418002 M * ard with hot-swap scsi, you have to remove it using the echo " ... " > /proc/scsi/scsi
1196418017 M * JonB ard: okay
1196418046 M * ard That's make the scsi version more reliable, since you can't remove it if it is in use...
1196418060 M * ard (like you forgot that swap or something 8-D )
1196418089 M * ard If everything works fine, sata and sas disks are replacable like usb disks
1196418106 M * rgl ard, sweet, I'm using ahci, and that linux-ata.org page says it good.
1196418121 M * ard it seems good
1196418144 M * ard I don't know... we've got dell, and they only deliver fusion-mpt or megaraid...
1196418172 M * ard megaraid is way slower than software raid, so we tend to choose for the fusion-mpt (sas-controller)
1196418207 M * rgl what is "sas"?  system attached storage?
1196418223 M * ard and even try to manage your system from remote with a serial console if you have a megaraid controller in it... /me shivers...
1196418225 M * renihs try again :p
1196418235 M * ard Serial-Attached-Scsi :-)
1196418247 M * rgl oh, hehe
1196418273 M * rgl aren't sata drives on par with scsi ones?
1196418328 A * ard is going to bed...
1196418334 M * ard have some illness to sweat out :-(
1196418366 M * ard O/~
1196418569 M * rgl ouch.   sleep tight ard.  and farewell.
1196418898 M * JonB ard: sounds good. Now i just need a CD device that understands the true meaning of EJECT
1196419588 M * sid3windr sas drives have way higher  mtbf than sata
1196419591 M * sid3windr (and higher rpm)
1196419601 M * sid3windr (7200/10000 vs 15000)
1196419632 M * sid3windr for sata, I can highly recommend areca sata controllers :)
1196419841 M * JonB sid3windr: price point?
1196419851 M * sid3windr price point?
1196419861 M * JonB sid3windr: sata drives are way cheaper pr. GB than sas
1196419864 M * sid3windr yup
1196419870 M * JonB sid3windr: those areca controllers
1196419871 M * sid3windr which explains why they suck more ;)
1196419878 M * sid3windr 800 eur for 16port
1196419888 M * sid3windr 250? eur for 4port
1196419894 M * sid3windr 8 port somewhere in between ;)
1196419915 M * JonB sid3windr: i dont have customers that needs 16 ports. And for a 4 port i can buy a promise for 100? and run software raid
1196419922 M * sid3windr yup
1196419926 M * JonB sid3windr: i like sucky disks, more work for me
1196419941 M * sid3windr but a 4port areca > 4 port promise with software raid ;)
1196419944 M * JonB sid3windr: and customers always chooses sata over more expensive to save money
1196419956 M * sid3windr yes, I run everything on sata as well
1196419963 M * JonB sid3windr: "larger"? or faster?
1196419966 M * sid3windr just saying sas is better ;)
1196419973 M * sid3windr faster and better
1196419979 M * sid3windr not larger as in gigabytes ;)
1196419982 M * JonB sid3windr: i used to use 3ware controllers
1196419984 M * renihs sas = 10k
1196419988 M * sid3windr yes, 3ware sux major ass
1196419994 M * JonB it does?
1196419999 M * sid3windr it does.
1196420008 M * sid3windr for raid1 it's fine, for 5 it's disaster
1196420026 M * sid3windr I run areca raid6 with 300MB/sec performance
1196420048 M * sid3windr 3ware comes nowhere near that, and when a drive fails it really shows the cpu is lacking
1196420052 M * JonB sounds nice
1196420069 M * JonB sid3windr: built in linux support?
1196420072 M * sid3windr if a disk fails on a 3ware 4-disk raid5 your io queue goes through the roof
1196420081 M * sid3windr because the controller cpu cannot keep up with the parity build
1196420088 M * sid3windr it's in kernel since 2.6.22 or so
1196420096 M * JonB thats pretty new
1196420102 M * sid3windr before that they had modules for some linuxes and patches for vanilla
1196420122 M * JonB sid3windr: okay
1196420137 M * sid3windr I can just say I like them ;)
1196420143 M * JonB sid3windr: i can hear that
1196420160 M * JonB sid3windr: they do sound good, and not so bad priced comparing to a 3ware
1196420172 M * sid3windr I had a server with a 3ware 4port in it, and 2 drives on a raid1
1196420188 M * sid3windr I added another 2 drives and made a 4-disk raid5 instead
1196420193 M * sid3windr performance suddenly /2
1196420201 M * sid3windr :(
1196420212 M * sid3windr replaced 3ware with areca 4port
1196420214 M * JonB sid3windr: not so nice
1196420217 M * sid3windr original performance *2
1196420224 M * renihs areca is nice indeed
1196420227 M * JonB sid3windr: what sort of data do you have on them?
1196420229 M * sid3windr before that I only heard other say that
1196420239 M * sid3windr but since then I had 1st hand experience :0
1196420244 M * renihs not expensive and very fast
1196420253 M * sid3windr the server I was just talking about was a product development server
1196420260 M * sid3windr large data files + small source code files
1196420277 M * JonB sid3windr: which version control system?
1196420282 M * sid3windr cvs :/
1196420291 M * JonB okay, sounds like mine as well
1196420353 M * JonB sid3windr: we have started using subversions for builds and totally new code
1196420428 M * JonB lunch time
1196421257 Q * Punkie Quit: Odcházím
1196421444 J * esa bip@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it
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1196424367 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1196424372 M * Bertl morning folks!
1196424494 M * ard  Re: JDM.9.07.59628
1196424765 M * Bertl aha :)
1196424846 M * waldi Bertl: 2.6.23?
1196424909 M * Bertl waldi: you still want to do something with 2.6.23?
1196424935 J * Abaddon abaddon@68-71.is.net.pl
1196424936 M * waldi ?
1196424957 M * Bertl well, personally I decided to skip 2.6.23 at least for the stable branch (for now)
1196424984 M * Bertl i.e. I focus on 2.6.24, where most of the problems are solved
1196425010 M * waldi okay
1196425022 A * waldi wants a stable kernel for sparc
1196425051 M * Abaddon what's wrong with 2.6.23?
1196425095 M * Bertl a lot of 'virtualization' stuff was added and the scheduler was changed, but most of the new stuff wasn't really tested (because nobody uses it :)
1196425192 M * Abaddon CFS from 2.6.23 really sux, but development version (sched-cfs-v2.6.23.9-v24) works really good :)
1196425211 M * Bertl see
1196425232 Q * larsivi_ Quit: Konversation terminated!
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1196425856 J * ViRUS ~mp@p57A6D4B1.dip.t-dialin.net
1196425872 M * Bertl wb ViRUS!
1196425892 M * ViRUS hi. :)
1196425902 M * rgl wheres clamav to clean that ViRUS ? :D
1196425937 M * waldi Bertl: okay, 2.6.24-rc3?
1196425943 M * waldi *hide*
1196425960 M * Bertl yep, is in preparation and testing
1196426005 M * ViRUS I just stumbled across OpenVZ and wonder how those two compare. The two projects don't refer to each other in the FAQ or Documentation and the only mailing list posts I found were from the OpenVZ project leaders pointing out the flaws of VServer - though those posts were 2 years old so I rather absorb that information rather sceptically.
1196426057 M * Bertl and right you are ... the basic differences are:
1196426136 M * Bertl - OVZ is (only?) backed by a company SWsoft providing a commercial virtualization solution called Virtuozzo(tm), development is almost entirely done by SWsoft employees, Linux-VServer OTOH is not related to any company (pure community project)
1196426176 M * Bertl - OVZ focuses on 'complete' virtualization at the OS level, i.e. to look like a Xen system but be somewhat faster?
1196426197 M * Bertl - Linux-VServer focuses on lightweight isolation (again at the OS level) and efficient resource sharing
1196426230 M * Bertl take or give one feature, both projects provide almost the same functionality to the end user
1196426312 M * ViRUS Yepp. that was my conclusion too. The SWSoft guys pointed out that VServer doesn't provide full network virtualization. What does that mean?  I've found a hint in the VServer FAQ talking about "ngnet", but googeling it just brought up some source code and no functional description of it.
1196426395 M * Bertl we do Layer3 isolation now, and abandoned the ngnet idea some time ago
1196426406 M * ViRUS One thing I don't really like about OVZ - though it's highly subjective - is the commercial make-up. It's not as worse as MySQL, but it's on the right track. :-/
1196426411 M * Abaddon btw. if i place memory limit on vserver, is there any way to see how many MBs of ram this vserver is using (and how much does it have) from inside the vserver?
1196426429 M * Bertl full (layer 2) isolation is something we will get from mainline for the usual price (performance :)
1196426445 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1196426459 M * ViRUS Bertl, what does that mean? The FAQ still points out ngnet and doesn't say anything about "Layer 3"
1196426491 M * Bertl Abaddon: configured properly, the memory usage/limit shows up as ram and swap inside a guest
1196426501 M * JonB the other day wonka said that the OVZ guys did not release all sources
1196426527 M * Abaddon Bertl: so `free` should work?
1196426540 M * Bertl JonB: yes, that's true, some stuff is Virtuozzo(tm) only 
1196426546 M * Bertl Abaddon: with VIRT_MEM, yes
1196426552 M * Hollow - OVZ changes version, tarballs and URLs every two days
1196426567 M * Abaddon ok, so /me is going to read about VIRT_MEM :)
1196426569 M * Hollow and therefore i have stopped to maintain it in gentoo ;)
1196426575 M * JonB Bertl: he said that the binaries on their ftp server did not match their source on the same ftp server
1196426579 M * Bertl ViRUS: simple, if you want to run IP (Layer3) apps, then all is isolated and fine for you
1196426605 M * Bertl ViRUS: if you want to run stuff below the IP layer (purely ethernet) then you have to use a virtual network stack
1196426611 M * ViRUS ah
1196426638 M * ViRUS now I get what "Layers" you're refering to. You're talking about the OSI layers. ;-)
1196426639 M * Bertl ViRUS: e.g. apache, mysql, bind ... no problem, layer 3, dhcpd .. layer2
1196426680 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1196426685 M * ViRUS now if I think about it it makes perfect sense - talking about "network layers". I was assuming you ment some kind of "virtualization layer" ... doh. ;-)
1196426713 M * Wonka JonB: even worse, i didn't find patches or sources in their debian repository 
1196426741 M * Wonka JonB: only debian's own repository had patches, but those didn't match the versions in OVZ's repo either
1196426749 M * ViRUS btw. anyone knows why debian ships a vserver kernel image, but no kernel-patch-vserver?
1196426757 M * Bertl the problem with OVZ sources is that they have no real value (apologies for the hard words in advance)
1196426773 M * Bertl the code is hard to read
1196426789 M * Bertl changing config options from the OVZ default usually breaks the kernel
1196426817 M * Bertl so you are better of if you use the binary blobs they provide
1196426820 M * Wonka ViRUS: maybe the person uploading the vserver kernels does not care about uploading a patches package?
1196426852 M * ViRUS mmmh... too bad as I was planning upon using a debianized vserver+grsecurity kernel
1196426867 M * Loki|muh with apt-get source you should be able to extract the vserver-patch, I guess
1196426892 M * Bertl ViRUS: get the vserver+grsec patches, and integrate them with the debian patches
1196426898 M * ViRUS well, I think I'll just stick to the latest stable kernel sources, add the vserver+grsecurity patch and debianize it myself.
1196427057 Q * grocanar Read error: Connection timed out
1196427246 J * grocanar ~grocanar@patefgh.int-evry.fr
1196427591 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1196428243 Q * dna Read error: Connection reset by peer
1196428243 J * dna ~dna@68-195-dsl.kielnet.net
1196428301 Q * grocanar Read error: Connection timed out
1196428343 J * grocanar ~grocanar@patEFGH.int-evry.fr
1196428922 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1196429274 Q * oddworker Quit: Verlassend
1196429353 Q * Abaddon Remote host closed the connection
1196429363 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1196429368 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1196429379 J * Abaddon abaddon@68-71.is.net.pl
1196430288 Q * Guest81 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196431375 Q * mick_work Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196431401 Q * renihs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196431515 J * pmavro ~pmavro@tui75-3-88-168-237-165.fbx.proxad.net
1196431534 M * pmavro hello
1196431565 M * JonB hi
1196431574 M * pmavro I have a problem with my vserver. I use nagios and somethimes, I lose connection with my distatn machines
1196431625 M * pmavro and after, it cames ok. And with cacti, I see sometimes, it can't contact hosts trought SNMP, and I have breaks in my graphs
1196431629 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
1196431634 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.17.215
1196431665 M * pmavro So I think it's network connection problem, but when I ping several different host, I've no disconnections
1196431674 M * pmavro someone have any idea ?
1196431733 M * JonB maybe use smokeping to monitor it
1196431799 Q * Abaddon Quit: leaving
1196431915 M * pmavro Mumm
1196431922 M * pmavro my problem is relating vservers
1196431938 M * pmavro Did you already encounter connection lost JonB ?
1196431960 M * JonB pmavro: no, but i often use smokeping to monitor problems with the network
1196431993 M * pmavro Ok thanks, and nobody already had this problem ?
1196432062 J * renihs ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1196432189 M * JonB pmavro: i have had problems with nagios
1196432197 M * JonB but that was before i was running vserver
1196432221 M * pmavro ok
1196432232 M * pmavro But I'm sure this is not comming from nagios
1196432261 M * pmavro I've made all the requiered tests and all monitoring applications on that vserver encounter the same problem
1196432296 M * mnemoc woh, qmail got public domain
1196432327 M * Hollow mnemoc: i.e. debian can finally fork it? ;)
1196432338 J * mick_work ~clamwin@adsl-068-157-089-099.sip.bct.bellsouth.net
1196432369 M * mnemoc i don't know the "side effects" of that announcemente yet ,-)
1196432390 M * JonB pmavro: i use a vserver guest to run nagios at the moment
1196432390 M * Hollow do you have a URL for me?
1196432432 M * mnemoc http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/11/30/0430201.shtml
1196432441 M * Hollow thx
1196432442 M * mnemoc and http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html
1196432450 M * mnemoc video.google.com got slashdoted :p
1196432451 M * pmavro JonB : Ok, and how many services/hosts du you monitor on it ?
1196432620 J * doener_ ~doener@i577AF8FB.versanet.de
1196432637 M * JonB pmavro: only 32 hosts, mosts are vserver guests, but i do have some far away
1196432650 M * JonB pmavro: 113 services
1196432671 M * pmavro Ok
1196432674 M * Hollow "This does not mean that modifications are encouraged!"
1196432678 M * Hollow hehe ..
1196432688 M * pmavro JonB I have 400 services with 78 hosts
1196432696 M * Hollow instead, you should rather let spam into your queue and bounce it around the world, yay!
1196432715 M * pmavro JonB, could you tell me what kind of options did you add to your vserver please ?
1196432729 M * mnemoc Hollow: :D
1196432794 M * mnemoc Hollow: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/qmailsec-20071101.pdf
1196432891 M * JonB pmavro: uname -a
1196432970 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226
1196432973 M * pmavro JonB: Linux amazone-monitoring 2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Oct 2 21:02:47 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1196432994 M * Hollow mnemoc: thx, seems to an interesting article ..
1196432996 M * JonB pmavro: 2.6.22.9-vs2.2.0.3
1196433030 M * JonB pmavro: i did not choose any particular options
1196433036 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196433401 Q * ensc Read error: Connection reset by peer
1196433531 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.182.26
1196433777 Q * ensc Read error: Connection reset by peer
1196433832 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.182.26
1196434053 M * pmavro JonB : on which distrib are you ?
1196434220 M * JonB pmavro: debian stable, but i made my own kernel
1196434432 M * pmavro JonB : Ok, I'm using a generic kernel, but in stable I shouldn't get bug like this
1196434440 M * pmavro JoB: don't you think ?*
1196434481 M * JonB can you reproduce it?
1196434848 J * mire ~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1196435739 M * pmavro JonB : what do you want I reproduce ?
1196435924 M * JonB pmavro: the error
1196436017 M * pmavro JonB, I don't have any specific error, but on nagios, I have this kind of error :"CHECK_NRPE: Socket timeout after 10 seconds. "
1196436055 M * pmavro JonB, and in some minutes, it will works fine, and after, the problem will come again etc....
1196436099 M * JonB i think you need to talk to Bertl_oO 
1196436148 M * pmavro Ok Thanks :-)
1196436715 M * daniel_hozac pmavro: what have you done to debug it?
1196436937 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1196437696 M * pmavro daniel_hozac : what do you suggest to debug it ?
1196437753 M * daniel_hozac run some script from cron or whatever that runs ping, ip a, etc. on a regular basis.
1196437813 M * pmavro what is strange, is with a netstat -i, we don't have any collisions/errors or something else
1196437898 M * pmavro and with a ping, there are no problem. But all services running on this guest encounter problems
1196437919 M * daniel_hozac you can ping from the guest, but not use TCP/UDP?
1196438011 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196438141 M * pmavro I can use TCP/UDP, it works well but sometimes, I have some breaks
1196438159 M * daniel_hozac i meant when it's broken
1196438183 M * pmavro I don't have any packet loss on the guest
1196438200 M * pmavro Do you think this could be a bug related to kernel ?
1196438233 M * daniel_hozac sure, or hardware.
1196438556 M * pmavro hardware, seems strange
1196438805 M * pmavro I don't have any problem on the others vservers, but I don't have specials services like them which are using as much network
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1196440750 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196442154 Q * pmavro Quit: Ex-Chat
1196442267 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196442524 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@gprs-pool-1-001.eplus-online.de
1196444140 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85.127.111.29
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1196444626 J * eyck IjiWjxQO@nat05.nowanet.pl
1196444932 Q * derjohn_mobil Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196445390 Q * FireEgl Read error: No route to host
1196445993 J * Abaddon abaddon@68-71.is.net.pl
1196446115 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196446242 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1196446476 N * Mooo MooingLemur
1196447004 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1196447137 M * Bertl evening folks!
1196447174 M * Abaddon evening
1196447187 M * rgl yellow
1196447352 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk
1196447508 M * bXi i knew i was forgetting a server!
1196448037 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196448359 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1196448407 Q * FireEgl Read error: No route to host
1196449243 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1196449989 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
1196450592 M * rgl you guys known how to simulate disk failures?  some kind of emulated block device?
1196450613 M * JonB rgl: there is a faulty md driver
1196450638 M * rgl JonB, cool.  its in mainline? :D
1196450659 M * JonB rgl: i think si
1196450676 M * JonB rgl: it might be a device mapper
1196450915 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196451581 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1196451855 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1196453871 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection
1196454237 M * ViRUS I have access an additional subnet for my dedicated server and would like to use them from within a vserver. Do I need to configure the additional interfaces using alias interfaces like eth0:0 or does this happen automagically when using the vserver utils?
1196454282 M * daniel_hozac when you tell the utils to manage an address (e.g. using --interface eth0:<ip>/<prefix> on the build command line), they will bring it up when the guest starts, and tear it down when you stop it.
1196454320 M * Bertl note that you might have to setup proper routing
1196454385 M * rgl just assign the other addresses by creating a directory under interfaces/ subdir :D
1196454429 M * rgl maybe you already known, but this pages http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html describes it nicely.
1196454429 M * ViRUS daniel_hozac, aye... so it creates the aliases automatically. :)
1196454448 M * Bertl usually we do not create 'aliases' they are old fashioned
1196454457 M * Bertl we simply create secondary ips
1196454474 M * ViRUS lingo question: eth0:0 is an alias or a secondary ip ?
1196454476 M * Bertl but if you prefer aliases, the tools will create them if you specify a name
1196454481 M * rgl you have to use the ip tools.  like, ip addr
1196454490 M * Bertl eth0:0 is an alias
1196454491 M * rgl (to see the addresses inside the guest=
1196454505 M * ViRUS And what's a secondary IP? I only know the aliases in linux
1196454529 M * Bertl well, secondary IPs kind of replaced aliases five years ago :)
1196454531 M * daniel_hozac aliases are secondary IPs with a name.
1196454546 M * ViRUS oh. :)
1196454602 M * Bertl you need names if you are using older tools (like ifconfig) otherwise you won't see them (on the host)
1196454633 M * Bertl inside a guest, the first (secondary) IP will be shown like a primary
1196454637 M * ViRUS Right now I'm just making first contact with vserver - following the debian tutorial in the wiki and reading in the docs as I progress. :)
1196454705 M * Bertl np, check out 'ip addr ls' on the host
1196455122 M * ViRUS the vserver build command just returned "E: No such script: etch". When checking the manual pages it refers to "vserver-build(8)" but that manpage does not exist.
1196455144 M * daniel_hozac what distro are you on?
1196455148 M * ViRUS debian etch
1196455164 M * daniel_hozac are you using the backports version?
1196455182 M * ViRUS no, the one shipped with debian etch
1196455199 M * ViRUS lemme guess I need the one from thejohn?
1196455212 M * ViRUS err, derjohn :)
1196455221 M * daniel_hozac backports.org has recent packages.
1196456076 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1196456716 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1196457227 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
1196457368 Q * ruskie Remote host closed the connection
1196457550 J * ruskie ruskie@goatse.co.uk
1196457800 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl
1196457823 M * onox how can I limit the max. cpu load of a vserver to (for example) 40%?
1196457905 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/CPU_Scheduler
1196457917 M * daniel_hozac http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html#sched
1196458146 M * ViRUS daniel_hozac, http://dpaste.com/26375/
1196458188 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196458454 M * Bertl ViRUS: what kernel and more improtant, what util-vserver version?
1196458533 M * ViRUS 2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 and the util-vserver 0.30.214-5~bpo40+2
1196458543 M * ViRUS though I just installed 2.6.22 and could just upgrade to it
1196458583 Q * doener_ Quit: leaving
1196458630 J * martijn_ ~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl
1196458687 M * ViRUS ok. rebooting into 2.6.22 ...
1196458716 M * onox daniel_hozac: /proc/virtual shows that context X has fillrate 1 and interval 4, but it is still able to consume all cpu time. how is that possible?
1196458735 Q * Abaddon Quit: leaving
1196458743 M * ViRUS Linux hive 2.6.22-3-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 18:26:47 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1196458880 M * ViRUS Bertl, that didn't change a thing. I still get the same output... I guess some package is missing so debootstrap doesn't work, but which one?
1196459012 M * ViRUS The server I'm on was debootstrapped using a rescue system so it's quite minimal
1196459074 M * Bertl onox: did you enable SCHED_HARD ?
1196459100 M * JonB why oh why is booting linux so fucking difficult
1196459107 M * Bertl ViRUS: hmm, strange ... could be a missing dependancy (for util-vserver)
1196459107 M * JonB is it because there are so many options
1196459193 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196459237 M * Bertl ViRUS: but to me, it looks more like a missing config file (which should have been installed with util-vserver)
1196459275 M * onox k, I just added SCHED_HARD to ccapabilities
1196459347 M * onox Bertl: vserver says SCHED_HARD does not exist?
1196459429 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags
1196459463 M * onox I am already reading that
1196459484 M * Bertl then read closely, it is a _flag_ :)
1196459491 M * ViRUS Bertl, debootstrap works so at least it's not a broken debootstrap installation
1196459513 M * onox why is the file called flags instead of cflags?
1196459586 M * Bertl for legacy/compatibility reasons I guess
1196459587 J * newz2000 ~matt@75-170-154-204.desm.qwest.net
1196459594 M * Bertl wb newz2000!
1196459603 M * newz2000 Hi Bertl
1196459615 M * newz2000 So I copied the vserver and everything went great except for one thing
1196459629 M * newz2000 I can't do apt-get or anything like that
1196459640 M * newz2000 it's nat'd behind the host
1196459647 M * Bertl but you could do so before?
1196459673 M * newz2000 Yes, when the guest was on another physical computer it worked fine. Now that it's here it can't see out. And the two hosts are simiilarly configured.
1196459681 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196459686 M * newz2000 Is there some type of routing information in the vserver config files?
1196459697 M * Bertl no, routing is on the host
1196459707 M * Bertl enter the guest and try the following things:
1196459729 M * Bertl ping -c 1 209.85.129.104
1196459732 M * ViRUS Bertl, it's the --resolve-deps option which doesn't work.  debootstrap doesn't recognize it.
1196459765 M * ViRUS oh, nooo...
1196459770 M * ViRUS I've been tying --resolve-debs
1196459776 M * ViRUS damn debian 'deb' :)
1196459793 Q * JonB 
1196459833 M * newz2000 Bertl: that works, I think. But here's another oddity, any time I try to open a web page with lynx it always shows me the website that's on another guest on the same host. So www.google.com shows me not google, but the website from the guest next door.
1196459840 M * Bertl ViRUS: hehe, didn't see that one either :)
1196459847 M * onox Bertl: do I need to restart vservers after settings flags?
1196459862 M * ViRUS Bertl, I didn't see it as the error message didn't make any sense at all
1196459901 M * Bertl onox: if you change 'just' the config, yes, but you can set the flags directly too
1196459928 M * Bertl onox: maybe complain to the debootstrap folks about that :)
1196459946 M * Bertl newz2000: does it work or doesn't it work?
1196459953 M * newz2000 the ping appears to work
1196459967 M * Bertl please define 'appears' :)
1196459994 M * newz2000 but then again, everythign appears to work, but it doesn't. :-) as I said, going to www.google.com in lynx instead shows me the website on the guest on the same host.
1196460000 M * newz2000 which is very odd imho.
1196460014 M * newz2000 let me try a traceroute
1196460019 M * Bertl not if you have a nice rule which maps all destination ips to that guest
1196460040 M * Bertl (instead of the source address :)
1196460049 M * newz2000 Hmm... let me check.
1196460072 M * newz2000 iptables is a little out of my normal stuff. Mostly I've cargoculted other's doings.
1196460105 M * Bertl upload 'iptables -t nat -vnL' to some pastebin
1196460292 M * newz2000 http://pastebin.com/d3bf9e413
1196460418 M * newz2000 is it just me or does there appear to be several duplicated rules in there?
1196460457 M * newz2000 as in lines 10 - 58 are all duplicates of 2 - 9
1196460482 M * Bertl iptables allows such nonsense :)
1196460499 M * newz2000 the guest in question is the .101 guest.
1196460553 M * Bertl well, you redirect a lot of stuff to 192.168.99.100 unconditionally
1196460564 M * Bertl (with the many DNAT rules in PREROUTING)
1196460581 M * newz2000 I think that was to make ftp happy
1196460589 M * Bertl DNAT       tcp  --  eth0   *       0.0.0.0/0            XX.YY.ZZ.97        tcp spts:1024:65535 dpt:80 to:192.168.99.100:80
1196460594 M * Bertl this for example says:
1196460629 M * Bertl every connection from non-low ports, to XX.YY.ZZ.97 will get redirected to 192.168.99.100:80
1196460649 M * newz2000 that's the guest whose webpages I see when I try to use lynx from 1.1
1196460653 M * newz2000 101 I mean
1196460669 M * Bertl so not quite unexpected, eh? :)
1196460701 M * Bertl you also have quite a number of identical MASQ rules in POSTROUTING
1196460732 M * newz2000 yeah, tons
1196460736 M * Bertl I'd suggest you flush most (all?) of the rules, and start from scratch
1196460763 M * Bertl what you want is a single SNAT rule from guest ip(s) to the public IP (for a start)
1196460785 M * Bertl after that, you can start building up a connection tracking rule for ftp
1196460809 M * newz2000 sounds good. Here's an interesting note...
1196460823 M * newz2000 the third guest, .110, works fine. 
1196460858 M * newz2000 The only diff I can come up with is that it uses eth1 for it's IP address instead of eth0, which really seems insignficant I'd think.
1196460860 M * Bertl that's because it has separate rules
1196460880 M * Bertl line 74-76
1196461128 M * newz2000 will try momentarily. Gotta do a work thing real quick first.
1196461135 M * Bertl np
1196461401 J * Abaddon abaddon@68-71.is.net.pl
1196461405 M * Bertl wb Abaddon!
1196461409 M * Abaddon :)
1196461420 M * Abaddon re
1196461505 M * newz2000 do you know what this is?
1196461506 M * newz2000 iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT
1196461577 M * Bertl yes, that is an iptables rule :)
1196461600 M * newz2000 I copied that blindly, don't know what its for but it looked nice and was part of the examples I used.
1196461619 M * newz2000 :-) I even put a comment in my rules saying # what is this for?
1196461673 M * newz2000 so iptables -t nat -F should clear out my rules, right?
1196461693 M * Bertl yep, depending on your distro, 'service iptables stop' will do the same
1196461856 M * newz2000 ok, flushed and reloaded... all the critical stuff seems to be working still.
1196461892 Q * hparker Remote host closed the connection
1196461897 M * newz2000 here's the new stuff: http://pastebin.com/d5ee5b654
1196461962 M * newz2000 Do I need to add the equiv of line's 25 and 26 for .101?
1196462047 M * Bertl well, this looks a lot better, but I'm still not happy about the unconditional DNAT, anyway, you might want to replace the MASQ with an SNAT
1196462073 M * newz2000 can you suggest a link or some search words that would help me?
1196462099 M * Bertl well, you should definitely dig into iptables ...
1196462109 M * Bertl something like:
1196462152 M * Bertl iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.99.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source <public-ip>
1196462175 M * Bertl if I interpret the XX.YY.ZZ.110 correctly, you have more than one public ip?
1196462182 M * newz2000 yes
1196462196 M * Bertl in that case, you want to limit the source
1196462213 M * Bertl iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.99.110 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source XX.YY.ZZ.110
1196462257 M * Bertl and it might be simpler to just give the public ip to the guest itself (unless you want to do some neat port tricks :)
1196462278 M * newz2000 yes, I do actually want to do some port tricks.
1196462317 M * newz2000 plus I'll bring up some more vservers so that I can't do a 1:1 mapping of public to private IPs.
1196462330 M * Bertl okay, np
1196462345 M * Bertl just use one of those rules for each guest
1196462384 M * newz2000 this rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.99.110 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source XX.YY.ZZ.110
1196462394 M * newz2000 and is that in addition to the rules I have now, or is this a replacement?
1196462396 M * Bertl yep, adapt it for each guest
1196462403 M * Bertl remove the MASQ rule
1196462469 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose
1196462497 M * newz2000 is this what you mean by a the MASQ rule that needs to be removed: iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE
1196462510 M * Bertl yep
1196462570 M * newz2000 will this get rid of the masq rule? iptables -t nat -vnL (and all others presumably)
1196462589 M * Bertl no, that will just list the table
1196462610 M * newz2000 oops, I meant... iptables -t nat -F
1196462618 M * Bertl yes, that should
1196462628 M * newz2000 ok, let me give it a shot. Thanks for your help.
1196462651 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1196462697 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1196463112 M * newz2000 ok, well, nothing new broke but I'm still struggling. http://pastebin.com/d38a2c200
1196463141 M * newz2000 Do I need one of those "spts:1024:65535 dpt:80 to:192.168.99.110:80" rules for 101?
1196463159 M * Bertl depends on what you want to accomplish?
1196463184 M * newz2000 well, my third guest, the .101 can't access websites. When it tries it sees the website on the .97 guest.
1196463191 M * Bertl you are inside guest *.101 I presume, yes?
1196463195 M * newz2000 right
1196463217 Q * martijn_ Quit: Leaving
1196463242 M * Bertl have you flushed the cache?
1196463259 M * Bertl (the routing cache that is)
1196463271 M * newz2000 no
1196463275 M * newz2000 would that be in the guest or the host?
1196463291 M * Bertl host
1196463316 M * Bertl ip route flush cache
1196463338 M * newz2000 ok, did that, no change.
1196463360 M * newz2000 Am I tackling a vserver specific problem, or is this something that would be relevant if I were using xen or whatever?
1196463378 M * Bertl absolutely Linux-VServer unrelated
1196463390 M * Bertl i.e. normal routing/nat/setup problem
1196463400 M * newz2000 ok, if worse comes to worse, I have a phone number I can call to get help with this type of stuff.
1196463417 M * Bertl take a snapshot of the iptable nat table as before, then, from inside the guest, do ' lynx http://209.85.129.99'
1196463435 M * Bertl then take another snapshot and upload both
1196463454 M * newz2000 what do you mean snapshot, just iptables -t nat -vnL?
1196463459 M * Bertl yep
1196463468 M * newz2000 should I flush and reload first?
1196463475 M * daniel_hozac no
1196463477 M * newz2000 ok
1196463498 M * Bertl hey daniel_hozac! how's going?
1196463513 M * daniel_hozac hey Bertl
1196463516 M * daniel_hozac quite well.
1196463519 M * daniel_hozac how about you?
1196463533 M * Bertl a little tired, off to bed soon, but otherwise fine
1196463545 M * daniel_hozac how's the new place coming along?
1196463557 M * daniel_hozac are you already fully relocated?
1196463591 M * newz2000 http://pastebin.com/d4416d6cb
1196463596 M * Bertl no no, not yet, still no running water there, and a lot of stuff missing
1196463616 M * newz2000 no longer on the 13th floor?
1196463640 M * Bertl it's always the 13th floor for me :)
1196463675 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1196463692 M * Bertl but the puzzle pieces are falling into place ... slowly
1196463766 M * newz2000 btw, when I used the ip address to pull up the website I think it worked... it showed google
1196463775 M * Bertl yeah, looks like
1196463783 M * daniel_hozac so what DNS server are you using?
1196463788 M * newz2000 so maybe this is dns related
1196463789 M * newz2000 :-(
1196463795 M * newz2000 :-( x 50
1196463800 M * Bertl the one from 192.168.99.100
1196463807 M * newz2000 yes
1196463812 M * Bertl at least that one accounted a few hits
1196463819 M * newz2000 192.168.99.100 is my dns
1196463841 M * Bertl now let's see what 'host www.google.com' gives you
1196463850 M * newz2000 it doesn't work, it shows my internal server
1196463851 M * newz2000 ah ha
1196463855 M * Bertl hehe
1196463866 M * newz2000 so my dns server is broken, which makes sense
1196463875 M * Bertl yes, it has a catch all rule somewhere
1196463877 M * newz2000 because I was fiddlign with it recently
1196463912 M * newz2000 ugh, I hate these things
1196463934 M * newz2000 but that's why I've always called this the friendliest irc channel.
1196463946 M * newz2000 :-) I still want you to come get a job with my company bertl
1196463955 M * Bertl time for the donation page! :)
1196463973 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/donate/
1196463997 M * newz2000 It's time I do that. I do appreciate the help.
1196464004 M * Bertl you're welcome! 
1196464035 M * newz2000 the funny thing is, all that work was to get emacs installed.
1196464058 M * Bertl lol
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1196464088 M * daniel_hozac but you're already running Linux?
1196464089 M * Bertl I'd use 'urpmi emacs' for that, if I would use emacs :)
1196464091 M * daniel_hozac ;)
1196464162 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, did you read the posting (ML) from Roman, regarding the tar/numeric-ids?
1196464209 M * daniel_hozac oh, yeah.
1196464219 M * daniel_hozac i've been meaning to reply that.
1196464227 M * daniel_hozac thanks for reminding me.
1196464245 M * Bertl np, is that a bug or intentional?
1196464473 M * daniel_hozac the missing --numeric-owner is a bug.
1196464499 M * daniel_hozac the change in workaround is due to the move away from file.
1196464500 M * Bertl okay, so it can be assumed fixed in 0.30.215 then, I guess
1196464528 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i committed it the other day.
1196464543 M * daniel_hozac hmm. i guess i didn't.
1196464552 M * daniel_hozac i made the change locally at least.
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1196465572 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1196465572 M * kwowt hi
1196465580 M * kwowt is there some web-based cpanel for linux vserver?
1196465585 M * Bertl wb kwowt!
1196465593 M * kwowt hi Bertl
1196465620 M * Bertl actually there are severals
1196465626 M * kwowt any under gpl ?:p
1196465633 M * Bertl IIRC, we should have them linked on the wiki
1196465696 M * kwowt open vpc
1196465699 M * kwowt vcp*
1196465701 M * kwowt nice :p
1196466392 M * Bertl okay, enough for me for today .. off to bed. have a good one everyone! cya!
1196466403 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1196466687 M * kwowt nite
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