1196294627 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1196294687 M * kwowt hi
1196294696 M * Bertl wb kwowt!
1196294700 M * kwowt hey Bertl
1196294743 M * kwowt Umm..i've made a fresh install of gentoo vserver, and i used the stage3 i686 from http://people.linux-vserver.org/~hollow/stages/
1196294751 M * kwowt now when i create the guest i dont get any errors
1196294774 M * Bertl is that bad?
1196294778 M * kwowt when i start the guest i get only one
1196294779 M * kwowt FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.20-vs2.2.0-gentoo/modules.dep: No such file or directory
1196294785 M * kwowt but the vserver doesnt start
1196294793 M * kwowt vserver-stat shows it hasnt started
1196294798 M * Bertl did you select any services?
1196294801 M * daniel_hozac which initstyle?
1196294803 M * kwowt even though it all shows 'Ok'
1196294804 M * kwowt gentoo 
1196294834 M * kwowt services?
1196294871 M * kwowt syslog-ng doesnt start either
1196294891 M * kwowt i thought it would, since its the stage from that site :)
1196294901 M * daniel_hozac syslog-ng is in the stage4.
1196294915 M * kwowt oh
1196294920 M * daniel_hozac stage3 doesn't have anything in it. you'll have to manually add some service to it.
1196294929 M * kwowt then i'll use stage4 :p
1196294990 M * kwowt thanks
1196295087 M * Hollow the page clearly says you don't want a stage3 :)
1196295105 M * kwowt eh
1196295107 M * kwowt now i see :P
1196295116 M * Bertl Hollow: never stoped anybody from using ....
1196295123 M * Hollow :)
1196295125 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving.
1196295241 M * kwowt off to bed
1196295242 M * kwowt nite 
1196295289 M * Bertl cya
1196295516 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose
1196295980 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1196295985 Q * fatgoose 
1196296111 M * dowdle Some days I can't read either.
1196296200 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1196296232 M * Bertl yeah, happens, np
1196296341 J * raa ~raa@static-207-114-230-7.asisna.com
1196296352 M * Bertl wb hparker! raa!
1196296360 M * hparker heya Bertl 
1196296411 M * raa Glad to be back but I think other may not.
1196296451 Q * Infinito Quit: Quitte
1196296490 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85-127-204-94.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at
1196296500 M * raa I'm in the process of moving some scripts and functionality from a CTX based vserver.  Away from my regualr email so I can't ask on the list.
1196296546 M * daniel_hozac you mean like, really, truly ancient 2.4 kernels?
1196296552 M * raa How do I make I make a CIF mount from the host visible in a guest? 
1196296566 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
1196296581 M * daniel_hozac mount -t cifs ... /vservers/<guest>/<path>?
1196296683 M * raa Doing that but when I go into the guest the directory is empty.  If I restart the guest all is _semi-fine_.  If I umount the share itis still visible in the guest.
1196296701 M * daniel_hozac that's namespaces for you.
1196296712 M * Bertl you want to mount it _inside_ the guest namespace
1196296843 M * raa All those messages I semi-read and didn't are coming back to haunt me I see.  Can I get a hint towards the right direction to look?
1196296860 M * Bertl vnamespace --help
1196296889 M * raa Ahh.  I tried namespace ... forgot the 'v'.  Thanks.
1196296893 M * Bertl or use the fstab.remote if you want to mount it on guest startup
1196296974 M * raa Thanks again.  Is the doc for fstab.remote on the great flower page?
1196297005 M * daniel_hozac it's just an fstab file.
1196297123 M * raa So startup does the the mount in the namespace.  I've done a bind of host NFS mounts using fstab.  What's the difference between fstab.remote and fstab?
1196297151 M * daniel_hozac fstab.remote is executed in the network context of the guest.
1196297211 M * raa I like it.  Is this documented anywhere shallower than the code?  For us user types.
1196297238 M * daniel_hozac it says something to that effect on the flower page.
1196297320 M * raa Great.  I'll take some time tomorrow to reread it.  Been several months since the last time.  And now I have a different perspective.  :-)
1196298313 M * raa Thank-you very much.  It is working!
1196299082 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196299432 Q * raa Quit: Leaving
1196299905 J * dowdle ~dowdle@71-36-198-163.blng.qwest.net
1196300755 Q * meandtheshel1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196301699 J * Infinito argos@200-103-110-203.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1196303286 J * newz2000 ~matt@75-170-154-204.desm.qwest.net
1196303339 M * newz2000 is there a reasonably reliable way to coy a running guest?
1196303365 M * Bertl coy?
1196303373 M * newz2000 copy, sorry.
1196303380 M * newz2000 I didn't think you'd be up Bertl
1196303384 M * newz2000 Did you switch hemispheres?
1196303388 M * Bertl rsync is probably the best choice
1196303391 M * daniel_hozac rsync, stop, rsync, start at the destination.
1196303408 M * daniel_hozac newz2000: you're not familiar with BUT?
1196303419 M * Bertl obviously not :)
1196303426 M * newz2000 BUT? I get the feeling this is a joke.
1196303499 M * daniel_hozac Bertl Universal Time
1196303615 M * newz2000 well, I guess it works out well for me, since I get awesome round the clock customer service.
1196305538 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a nice one everyone! cya!
1196305544 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1196305723 N * AStorm Guest25
1196305728 J * AStorm ~astralsto@193.34.68.134
1196305801 Q * Guest25 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196305855 Q * mick_work Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196306802 J * mick_work ~clamwin@adsl-068-157-089-099.sip.bct.bellsouth.net
1196310245 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1196310489 Q * balbir Remote host closed the connection
1196311078 Q * derjohn_mobil Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196311765 Q * Infinito Quit: Quitte
1196311781 Q * hparker Remote host closed the connection
1196315909 Q * besonen_mobile__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196317182 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@e180217213.adsl.alicedsl.de
1196317784 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1196318083 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1196319511 J * dna ~dna@131-242-dsl.kielnet.net
1196320247 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
1196320768 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1196320866 J * AStorm ~astralsto@cs-tor.bu.edu
1196321069 Q * transacid Remote host closed the connection
1196321090 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de
1196321301 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-220-198-145.eugn.qwest.net
1196322817 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1196322873 J * AStorm ~astralsto@anonymizer.blutmagie.de
1196322910 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196324583 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1196324610 J * AStorm ~astralsto@sd-3573.dedibox.fr
1196325062 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1196325072 M * gebura hi !
1196325185 M * Wonka http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/99693 - i like that update at the bottom... fuck OpenVZ!
1196325212 M * JonB Wonka: now now, dont be so hasty
1196325366 M * Wonka I still believe OpenVZ is violating the GPL - or have you ever seen patches or complete sources to their freely distributed kernels?
1196325438 M * Wonka compare http://download.openvz.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/ and http://download.openvz.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/base/
1196325446 N * AStorm Guest43
1196325455 Q * derjohn_mobil Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196325466 Q * Guest43 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196325628 M * JonB Wonka: i believe that OpenVZ is keeping Bertl and daniel_hozac on their toes, always trying to out do OpenVZ
1196325637 M * Wonka hrhr
1196325699 M * Wonka but they distribute binaries, so they are required to provide sources too, or at least name the place where they are. the "kernel-patch-openvz" packages from debian don't match the kernel packages on their server...
1196325760 M * JonB Wonka: different compiler?
1196325778 M * Wonka JonB: different versions
1196325832 M * JonB Wonka: i ment... can different compilers produce the different binaires you see ?
1196325880 M * Wonka er, no... they provide kernel packages version X, and i cannot find patches to that version X, but only to different versions y and z
1196325880 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-230-189.cust.tele2.fr
1196325894 M * JonB Wonka: okay
1196326165 J * AStorm ~astralsto@204.13.236.244
1196326396 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1196326584 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196326896 J * mire ~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1196327698 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196328101 J * oddworker ~mario@mail2.reha-schotten.de
1196328117 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196329279 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-24-209.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
1196329677 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196330122 J * ard6 ~ard@2002:d9c4:2909:1::1
1196330930 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196331150 M * Loki|muh when I try to mount a directory in my vserver via chcontext, it fails: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/9853
1196331167 M * Loki|muh there is a message in dmesg which says vxW: [?mount?,30512:#106|0] did hit the barrier.
1196331286 M * Loki|muh ping vxW: [?mount?,30512:#106|0] did hit the barrier.
1196331293 M * Loki|muh ups
1196331389 M * ard6 use vnamespace
1196331407 M * ard6 chcontext is for process contexts (pid space etc...)
1196331419 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1196331419 M * ard6 vnamespace is for namespace contexts...
1196331439 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196331480 M * ard6 To be exact: process-context->chcontext, mounts/filesystems -> vnamespace, ip/networking -> naddress
1196331519 M * ard6 so there are 3 different spaces, and vserver-utils makes you think it is only one.
1196331572 M * Loki|muh ard6: yes that did the trick, thank you
1196331588 M * Loki|muh ah ic
1196331592 M * Loki|muh thanks! :)
1196331625 J * AStorm ~astralsto@195.141.76.131
1196331874 Q * esa` Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1196332008 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it
1196332496 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1196332536 J * AStorm ~astralsto@sd-3573.dedibox.fr
1196332734 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212
1196333025 Q * fb Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196333053 M * baldy anyone a idea why i get error when u wanne try to start mysql
1196333069 M * baldy [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied
1196333079 M * baldy there is now other mysql running
1196333099 M * ard6 Well...
1196333115 M * ard6 If it didn't say that stuff about unix-socket, then it was clear to me :-)
1196333140 M * ard6 try strace ... maybe you don't have the right permissions to create the socket...
1196333158 M * ard6 somewhere in  /var/run/mysql/ maybe
1196333175 M * baldy u thing the rights are correct ;)
1196333205 M * baldy drwxrwxrwx  2 mysql mysql 4096 2007-11-29 10:28 mysqld
1196333322 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196333708 J * fb ~fback@red.fback.net
1196335608 Q * pusling Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196335721 M * ard6 well, vserver will not prevent the creation of the socket, so there must be something wrong in file permissions :-).
1196335740 M * ard6 If you strace the start, you will probably notice somewhere what goes wron
1196335768 A * ard6 uses strace and tcpdump regularly
1196335780 M * ard6 It just makes me understand the software better :-)
1196335975 P * friendly12345 
1196336698 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1196337096 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196337121 J * AStorm ~astralsto@anonymizer.blutmagie.de
1196337184 J * renihs ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1196337189 M * renihs hello vserver :)
1196337268 Q * jmcaricand Remote host closed the connection
1196337318 M * renihs hmm after updateing my vserver template (gentoo) i seem unable to start it
1196337334 M * renihs vserver template start gives no error, vserver runs, but dies after a few seconds
1196337343 M * renihs this is the only clue i have yet (from dmesg)
1196337345 M * renihs vxW: [xid #0] !!! limit: cff0804c[VM,9] = 32 on exit.
1196337359 M * renihs though that only appears if i *enter* the vserver guest (quickly before it dies)
1196337478 M * renihs Linux zod 2.6.22-vs2.2.0.5-gentoo.zod-livesystems.i686  with sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.214
1196337492 M * renihs however this is a livecd with aufs (vserver.patch applied)
1196337627 A * ard6 is guessing
1196337637 M * ard6 do you have memory limits of some kind enabled?
1196337647 M * ard6 and the limit is too low?
1196337655 M * renihs nope
1196337666 A * ard6 is out of guessing :-)
1196337670 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196337672 M * renihs only thing switched is updates to userland and kernel from 2.2.0.3 to 2.2.0.5
1196337682 M * renihs and that aufs vserver.patch
1196337729 J * pusling pusling@77.75.162.71
1196337737 M * renihs ah that doesnt do much, except avoiding the missing argument thingie (i think)
1196337835 M * renihs hmm gruml oh and i changed kernel_hz from 1000 to 100 on this specific kernel
1196337840 M * renihs but i doubt thats related :)
1196337946 M * ard6 it just looks like some weird memory limit...
1196337971 M * renihs hmm it has 256mb memory assigned
1196337985 M * renihs 22 mb used
1196338018 M * renihs should suffice, especially since my last build (2.2.0.3) works with the same environment (uses 25mb with running vserver)
1196338033 M * renihs but dunno how to start searching :)
1196338137 M * renihs also no limits except the defaults
1196338247 A * ard6 would have searched the kernel source :-)
1196338370 M * renihs hmm that ability i lack :p
1196338388 M * renihs hmm it seems it starts normal (process/memory etc) but then gets killed when it reaches final state
1196338451 M * renihs now running in debug, lets see what that shows
1196338762 M * renihs hmm thats bad
1196338764 M * renihs looks normal :)
1196338777 M * renihs http://pastebin.com/m1902bb45
1196338953 Q * pusling Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196339180 M * renihs oh also, world (guest/host) has been recompiled with gcc4.2.2 but i doubt thats related :p
1196339214 A * ard6 fears he can't help you...
1196339232 M * ard6 but wait a while and Bertl and daniel_hozac will come along :-)
1196339294 M * renihs i know :)
1196339319 M * renihs just feeding the channel with (pointless mostly) information :p
1196339609 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1196339613 M * Bertl morning folks!
1196339630 M * renihs morning Bertl ! :)
1196339633 M * renihs speaking of the devil :)
1196339754 M * Bertl what's the problem?
1196339788 M * renihs my vserver template doesnt work anymore after rebuilding/updating, it starts but then gets killed after a few sec 
1196339794 M * renihs vxW: [xid #0] !!! limit: cff0804c[VM,9] = 32 on exit.
1196339803 M * renihs shows up if i enter the guest quickly (before it dies)
1196339817 M * renihs http://pastebin.com/m1902bb45 shows a vserver --debug template start
1196339825 M * renihs dunno where to start diggin really 
1196339829 M * Bertl what's in the guest logs?
1196339878 M * renihs hmm no syslog in guest yet
1196339880 M * renihs let me add that
1196339940 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.8.145
1196339943 M * rgl hello
1196339943 M * harrydg hey all
1196339947 M * harrydg how are things going?
1196339957 M * Bertl hello harrydg! wb rgl!
1196339966 M * harrydg hi Bertl 
1196339968 M * Bertl everything fine ...
1196340005 M * harrydg http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.22.14
1196340009 M * harrydg grmbl... allways updates :S
1196340010 M * rgl I'm having trouble starting a vserver (my server seems to be hosed with disk problems :(), it says: "piranha prepre-start scriptlet" then "ioctl(): Device or resource busy"  any idea why?
1196340023 M * rgl (when running vserver piranha start)
1196340053 M * Bertl something is trying to do an ioctl on a mounted device maybe?
1196340069 M * rgl I can mount the fs, so I might be able to troubleshot from outside.
1196340088 M * rgl Bertl, the device is not mounted.
1196340099 M * rgl I mean, the FS device is not mouned.
1196340106 M * rgl err mounted.
1196340115 M * Bertl sure about that?
1196340154 M * rgl I say that because "mount" on host does not show it as mounted.  is there other way I can check this?
1196340171 M * Bertl mount on host only reads /etc/mtab :)
1196340189 M * Bertl write a line there, and (per your definition) it is mounted :)
1196340200 M * rgl oh!
1196340215 M * rgl how can I really check whats mounted?
1196340217 M * Bertl check with /proc/mounts for more information (although you have to check all namespaces to make sure)
1196340258 M * renihs Bertl, hmm added syslog-ng to boot but it seems it doesnt get launched
1196340272 M * rgl its does not appear there too Bertl.  How to check in all namespaces?
1196340282 M * renihs is there any other way to make vserver guest startup more visuell except --debug?
1196340338 M * Bertl renihs: everything you saw with -d-ebug is what happens from the tools
1196340350 M * Bertl renihs: the rest is done by your guest init
1196340368 M * Bertl renihs: so, whatever measures to make that more verbose will help (guest config)
1196340392 M * renihs hmm mkay
1196340395 M * renihs thinking
1196340528 M * rgl Bertl, I had to do a reboot :-|
1196340569 M * Bertl so something was mounted then ....
1196340585 M * rgl but I don'y known how it got mounted :-(
1196340596 M * rgl or how to see where it was mounted.
1196340622 M * Bertl it's kind of tricky, as there is no mainline mechanism to see or enter the different fs namespaces
1196340643 M * Bertl you can use the Linux-VServer interfaces for fs namespaces associated with contexts
1196340719 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1196340742 J * pusling pusling@77.75.162.71
1196340784 M * renihs hmm seems it dies before logging gets enabled
1196340799 M * renihs this is getting tricky to track :p
1196340805 M * Bertl which would suggest that your init is broken
1196340834 M * Bertl maybe try if the environment is sane with chroot?
1196340857 M * renihs i am working in it with chroot
1196340865 M * renihs chroot i use to update etc
1196340876 M * Bertl not a good idea :)
1196340919 M * renihs why not?
1196340927 M * rgl Bertl, I'm not seeing what you mean with the Linux-VServer interfaces for fs namespaces.  but I'll return to that later.
1196340930 M * renihs i maintain all my livesystems in a chroot
1196340943 M * Bertl renihs: because chroot does not protect you very well, and the context tags are wrong
1196340952 M * renihs Bertl, ah i only use it to update it
1196340954 M * renihs not to start it
1196340958 M * renihs gentoo style 
1196340974 M * renihs the userland stuff i mean
1196341004 M * renihs but chroot etc works, it just have no clue where it dies (i am sure its before syslog gets started :p)
1196341068 M * Bertl does /sbin/init work inside the chroot?
1196341107 M * renihs it returns its usage :)
1196341119 M * Bertl that's fine then
1196341139 M * Bertl try the line 937 of your paste, but ommit the --disconnect
1196341228 M * renihs lemme check
1196341346 M * renihs hmm what exactly do you mean with "try the line"
1196341367 M * Bertl pushd /etc/vservers/template/vdir/
1196341385 M * Bertl then copy/paste line 937 except for the disconnect
1196341397 M * renihs mkay
1196341538 M * renihs hmmm yes works ...
1196341539 M * renihs :p
1196341544 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-106.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196341572 M * renihs which part is responsible for the disconnect thingie? 
1196341662 M * Bertl the --disconnect option :)
1196341671 M * Bertl works means?
1196341677 M * renihs it runs and stays running
1196341681 M * renihs but refuses to stop :)
1196341713 M * Bertl what kernel and util-vserver version do you use?
1196341731 M * renihs ah no wrong, now it stopped
1196341745 M * renihs 2.6.22-vs2.2.0.5-gentoo.zod-livesystems.i686  
1196341753 M * renihs sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.214
1196341782 M * Bertl should be fine, please contact daniel_hozac about the issue (provide the data we gathered)
1196341797 M * renihs yar 
1196341819 M * renihs however i am not yet sure howto remove the --disconnect option from normal vserver template start operations :)
1196341827 M * renihs me diggs in docs again
1196341840 M * renihs also i am again impressed how you spotted that :p
1196342029 M * Bertl no chance, it is part of the normal operation (AFAICT)
1196342169 M * renihs oh :)
1196342171 M * renihs gruml (
1196342191 M * renihs so if i am to start a vserver currently there is need to use the nice line without the --disconnect part :p
1196342197 M * renihs and wait for daniel_hozac to wake up :)
1196342218 A * renihs pokes daniel_hozac with a cup of coffee :p
1196342407 M * renihs thanks again Bertl :)
1196342429 M * renihs me waves a x4600 around daniel_hozac nose :)
1196343033 M * renihs Bertl, hmm interesting, i just rebooted the livecd to reproduce the steps, but this time...
1196343056 M * renihs starting the vserver with nice failed because /sbin/init no such file or directory
1196343071 M * renihs then i tried to start it with vmware template start -> died after 3 seconds
1196343081 M * renihs then trying again with the nice line gave me save_ctxinfo: open("/var/run/vservers/template"): File exists
1196343091 M * renihs removing that file and trying the nice line *again* -> works
1196343146 M * Bertl sounds a little unstable to me .. but we'll see
1196343170 M * renihs me too strange, but this time i cant enter it
1196343189 M * renihs vlogin: openpty(): No such file or dir
1196343203 M * renihs hmm i will redo it again to see if this is reproduceable
1196343218 M * renihs vserver-stat shows it running with 1 proc :)
1196343226 M * renihs it ran normally before though :)
1196343232 M * renihs as far as i could tell
1196343314 M * renihs fyi this is inside a vmware though, dunno if that affects
1196343368 M * Bertl assumed that vmware works correctly, it should not have any effects
1196343400 M * renihs yar i think that can be assumed since my old build doesnt show that behaviour on the same vm :)
1196343434 M * renihs me will try in qemu to be sure
1196343504 M * renihs erm 
1196343513 M * renihs this time i accidently forgot to remove the --disconnect
1196343517 M * renihs but it still works :p
1196343548 M * renihs at least its running (cant enter it though that worked before), this is confusing for me 
1196344264 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1196345221 Q * renihs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196345229 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1196345654 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated!
1196345660 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1196345940 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1196346083 M * rgl Bertl, gag.  the FS was restored, but some files were lost :-(
1196346104 M * rgl I shouldn't have something in the logs that say the disk are dieing?
1196346120 M * gebura install smart(d)
1196346126 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1196346169 M * Bertl rgl: yes, depends on what you install to monitor it
1196346181 M * Bertl rgl: otherwise all you get is some I/O error from the kernel
1196346190 M * rgl my dies are not smart.
1196346194 M * rgl err my disks.
1196346216 M * Bertl hmm? so no aging/check mechanisms?
1196346218 M * rgl Bertl, I expected to see those (like I did one or twice in my desktop)
1196346226 J * doener ~doener@i577AED1B.versanet.de
1196346262 M * rgl but this time no errors are in the logs (maybe that got lost with fsck :|
1196346288 M * Bertl possible, remote logging is an option ehre
1196346511 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.209.212
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1196346838 M * rgl I'll have to implement that for sure.
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1196351255 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1196351308 M * dowdle Good nowing.
1196351664 M * Bertl wb dowdle!
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1196352415 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. bbl
1196352420 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1196368357 J * Bau ~Cyborg003@d83-187-201-42.cust.tele2.it
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1196368730 J * virus ~mp@p57A6D507.dip.t-dialin.net
1196369036 M * virus I just came to know vserver by looking through the available kernel image when looking for the XEN image and was quite delighted to see an alternative. I'm currently planning on setting up a small web hosting setup. I've a number of IPs ready and was planning on starting a separate XEN DomU per service, but since memory is precious wasting it surely ain't my goal.
1196369055 M * Bertl_oO welcome virus!
1196369073 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1196369100 M * virus rigth now it's just one server, but in near future it should be safe to separate them on different machines so I decided upon using a virtualization technology in the first place.
1196369120 M * Bertl virus: you read the wiki pages how it works and what you can do with Linux-VServer?
1196369173 M * virus Bertl, I read through the FAQ, but there are still some fundamental things I don't get.
1196369187 M * Bertl okay, then ask :)
1196369293 M * virus with XEN I start up a separate kernel - with VServer I just create some kind of jail. How does it look like for the end-user. Do the virtual hosts in the end have separate IPs and behave like real separated machines - or is it visible from the virtual host that it's just a vserver instance?
1196369339 M * virus with 'end-user' I mean the daemon or process running on a virtual host (I don't know the lingo yet. I mean the equivalent of DomU)
1196369370 M * Bertl inside a guest, you have everything a normal host system has, but you are restricted to certain spaces and capabilities
1196369394 M * Bertl usually that means that a guest starts where hardware setup ended
1196369406 M * virus how about the process list. Do the guests see the entire process list or are they limited to their realm?
1196369407 M * Bertl (because that already happened on the host)
1196369431 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1196369432 M * Bertl a guest sees only guest process, this is part of the isolation
1196369465 M * daniel_hozac except as a special case where we show the host's init, if the guest doesn't have one of its own.
1196369466 M * Bertl for convenience, the host only sees host processes too, but there is a special spectator context which sees everything
1196369494 M * Bertl yes, that feature is called 'blend through init' or 'fake init'
1196369508 M * virus one thing I really like about VServer is the dynamic assignment of memory. In XEN I always ended up ballooning memory in and out - in the best case utilizing about 70% of the available memory... since it's all one big setup that's kinda nonsense.
1196369532 M * Bertl it even gets better, as you can easily share memory between guests
1196369552 M * Bertl (e.g. by utilizing unification and sharing inode caches and page mappings)
1196369554 M * virus stuff like unix domain sockets work, too, I assume?
1196369584 M * Bertl of course, almost everything works out of the box, unless it requires specific hardware access
1196369637 M * virus Ok. that really was worth being a fool for half an hour. :)
1196369667 M * Bertl networking is based on isolation too, so no overhead there
1196369688 M * Bertl again, for the guest, it almost looks like a real system (at least for layer 3 apps)
1196369795 M * virus I need it for a shared hosting and I want to separate apache, the MX and the databases from each other. A pure chroot setup just doesn't give me that warm hug as a virtualization. esp. as I don't want a compromised sub-system affect the entire system to be compromised.
1196369813 M * Bertl works perfectly fine here
1196369866 M * virus Right now I got a pretty simple setup with a Software Raid 1, boot, host-root, host-swap and a big LVM for the guests.
1196369936 M * virus when using VServer I don't need separate swap spaces per guest, right?
1196370001 M * virus ah, don't bother to answer that question - it wouldn't make sense otherwise - it's just ONE kernel. ;)
1196370388 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
1196370674 M * Bertl virus: precisely
1196371579 J * Infinito argos@201-3-16-242.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1196371898 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk
1196372038 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya!
1196372043 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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