1195862503 Q * shuri Quit: Leaving 1195862776 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195863993 J * tanjix ~tanjix@dslb-084-058-046-004.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195863993 Q * yarihm_ Remote host closed the connection 1195864156 P * Yvo 1195864962 J * tanjix2 ~tanjix@dslb-084-058-017-066.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195864964 Q * tanjix Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195867044 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195870334 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195871665 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195873238 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1195873761 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net 1195874332 J * bragon_ ~bragon@2001:7a8:aa58::1 1195874449 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195874449 Q * bragon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195874992 J * FireEgl FireEgl@2001:5c0:84dc:1:4:: 1195881104 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195882683 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.253.89 1195883115 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195886286 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-58-250.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1195886694 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195887821 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net 1195888091 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1195889620 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1195891128 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195892289 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195892941 J * dna ~dna@74-244-dsl.kielnet.net 1195893622 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195896090 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195896242 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195896410 Q * JonB 1195898814 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195899219 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195899518 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1195900798 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1195900802 M * Bertl morning folks! 1195902145 M * AStorm heh, does any of you have experience with link shaping? 1195902151 M * AStorm esp. HTB and HFSC 1195902256 M * AStorm I want a class that is very low-latency (~100ms worst case) even under full link load 1195902267 M * AStorm the class is to be small in bandwidth 1195902366 M * Bertl tc is your friend 1195902394 M * Bertl note that you have to shape both ends for good results 1195902486 M * AStorm uhm, ingress is no problem, I have enough 1195902493 M * AStorm egress is problematic, fully loaded 1195902503 M * Bertl ah, okay, then it should be trivial :) 1195902530 M * AStorm problem is, that it is not trivial 1195902541 M * Bertl make a bunch of classes with your shares 1195902541 M * AStorm my low latency class fails to achieve low latency at full link for some reason 1195902556 M * Bertl mark your low latency traffic with tos 0x10 or so 1195902560 M * AStorm where low latency is up to 100ms 1195902576 M * AStorm Bertl: hmm, hard to do 1195902580 M * AStorm I'll try though 1195902588 M * Bertl make sure that you have a total limit equivalent to the full network bandwidth 1195902590 M * AStorm that'd mean all UDP is minimum delay 1195902596 M * AStorm I do have that 1195902606 M * Bertl otherwise you will end up filling up your routers buffers 1195902638 M * Bertl i.e. if you have a maximum throughput (outbound) of 20Mbit, and a 100Mbit interface, do not set it to 100Mbit :) 1195902689 M * Bertl (otherwise you will hurt all interactivity 1195902709 M * AStorm it'd be nice if I had that much ;P 1195902716 M * AStorm it's supposed to be 380kbit upload ;P 1195902727 M * AStorm and the low latency stream is about 128kbit 1195902745 M * AStorm I think the schedulers don't have low enough granularity to shape that low speeds 1195902757 M * Bertl doesn't matter, it should be fine in any case, just make sure that your uplink actually has 'low latency' as you expect it 1195902765 M * AStorm I'll pastebin the rules 1195902777 M * AStorm Bertl: it should, unloaded it has 30ms 1195902788 M * AStorm I expect loaded delay to be up to 100ms 1195902790 M * Bertl we can look at this a little later (although not Linux-VServer related) but I have to leave now 1195902815 M * Bertl should be back in a few hours at most ... I hope 1195902819 M * AStorm ok, thanks anyway :-) 1195902823 M * Bertl np 1195902828 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1195902890 M * Bertl_oO btw, you can change the granularity too, it should be around 1500 bytes by default 1195903115 M * AStorm Bertl_oO: it's good enough 1195903134 M * AStorm the only problem is that the low-lat isn't sent with latency demands for some reason 1195903161 M * AStorm probably main link reducer destroys latency 1195903337 M * AStorm hfsc is supposed to be work conserving anyway 1195903342 M * AStorm but I see packet loss ;P 1195903389 M * AStorm I added umax and dmax parameters to the main shaper too, why not 1195904382 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195904399 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195904658 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195905187 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85-127-128-241.static.xdsl-line.inode.at 1195906160 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-196.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195906629 Q * Wonka Server closed connection 1195906630 J * Wonka ~wklaebe@chaos.in-kiel.de 1195906754 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27D9B.dip.t-dialin.net 1195907019 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1195907052 J * mire ~mire@191-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195907230 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1195907344 Q * ema 1195907430 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1195908531 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195911149 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1195911183 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1195911249 Q * bored2sleep Server closed connection 1195911321 J * bored2sleep ~bored2sle@66-111-53-150.static.sagonet.net 1195911372 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn217.rz.uni-mannheim.de 1195911521 P * Yvo 1195912503 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-196.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195912526 J * mark_2 ~IceChat7@gate12.kolornet.pl 1195912530 P * mark_2 1195912716 J * mark_2 ~IceChat7@gate12.kolornet.pl 1195913291 M * mark_2 hello everyone, I've got a question - can guests share dynamic libraries in memory (part of Virtual Set, displayed as VSZ in ps output) or does every guest have its own VSZ and RSS? 1195913665 Q * mark_2 Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments 1195913676 J * mark_2 ~IceChat7@gate12.kolornet.pl 1195913783 Q * Julius Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195913915 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195914644 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195915850 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195916215 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-196.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195916398 Q * tanjix2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195917737 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1195918622 J * mjeanson ~mjeanson@wodka.klipix.org 1195919360 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com 1195919361 M * kwowt Hi 1195919377 M * kwowt i get 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists' when i do vserver username start 1195919380 M * kwowt ? 1195919396 M * kwowt and time to time, some of my vps guests loose their ips 1195919426 M * mark_2 kwowt: you have conflicting IPs on a single interface most probably 1195919452 M * kwowt i checked the configs 1195919459 M * kwowt ;/ 1195919491 M * kwowt box2 ~ # vserver lovro start 1195919491 M * kwowt RTNETLINK answers: File exists 1195919504 M * mark_2 it means address/route already exists 1195919512 M * kwowt but its a different ip 1195919518 M * mark_2 "vserver" command is a bash script 1195919532 M * mark_2 add -x on the first line and you will be able to see commands it runs 1195919544 M * mark_2 like #!/bin/bash -x 1195919574 M * mark_2 you may have an ip address/route on the main host, remember 1195919846 M * mjeanson Hi all 1195919866 M * mark_2 yello 1195919869 M * mjeanson I have a strange hostname problem with my vservers 1195919876 M * mjeanson they get the host from the host 1195919892 M * mjeanson if i set the hostname in a vserver, the host and all vservers get it 1195919948 M * mjeanson the problem started when i updated the kernel to vs2.2.0.5 1195919982 M * mark_2 check your bcapabilities file, that's all I can say - if there's some strange/unusual stuff in there, get rid of it 1195920011 M * mark_2 or better yet, make a new vserver and check if it has a problem 1195920016 M * mjeanson checked and everything seems normal 1195920022 M * mjeanson not a bad idea 1195920037 M * mjeanson I'll try that 1195920176 M * mark_2 well it's my turn - does anybody know if guests share the dynamic libraries (Virtual Set) or does every guest have its own VSZ and RSS and their memory is essentially totally separate? 1195920410 M * mjeanson from what I know, shared librairies will be shared across vservers only if you use unionfs 1195920421 M * mark_2 unionfs? 1195920424 M * AStorm mjeanson: nah, copy-on-write also works 1195920433 M * AStorm hardlinks and symlinks too (if allowed) 1195920443 M * mark_2 I meant in memory, not on disk 1195920446 M * AStorm they will be shared if it's the same file 1195920459 M * AStorm the library is fully shared 1195920459 M * mark_2 say, several guests run exactly the same mysql server 1195920469 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195920499 M * AStorm you can check yourself :> 1195920501 M * mjeanson AStorm: I didn't knew that, interresting 1195920505 M * mark_2 astorm: how? 1195920521 M * AStorm mark_2: using top for example 1195920528 M * AStorm from the host 1195920548 M * mark_2 top/vtop displays only sizes, VSZ and RSS 1195920560 M * AStorm no, it displays SHR 1195920583 M * mark_2 how do I know that particular instance of mysqld links to the same image of libc.so.6 ? 1195920585 M * mark_2 hold on 1195920610 M * AStorm mark_2: hmm, you can check hard link count of that file 1195920627 M * AStorm (will work with Copy-on-write and hard links) 1195920641 M * mark_2 ok, but that is linking to file on _disk_, while the issue is with behavior of linker 1195920648 M * mark_2 in memory 1195920681 M * AStorm if the file is the same, library will be shared 1195920699 M * mark_2 across security contexts? 1195920700 M * AStorm I don't know what exactly does the loader check, I think some hash 1195920713 M * AStorm mark_2: why not? they have no memory separation 1195920714 M * mark_2 this is about details of memory management in vserver, and I simply don't know the area 1195920718 M * mark_2 aha 1195920729 M * mark_2 astorm: I didn't know there's no mem separation 1195920758 M * AStorm I'd check, I might be wrong anyway ;P 1195920781 M * AStorm I don't think all page access functions take xid as a param - that'd be high overhead and hard patch ;P 1195920813 M * mark_2 thanks ;P 1195920890 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl 1195920978 M * mark_2 ldd /usr/sbin/mysqld on two vservers shows different hex values, but I don't even know what they are - man page is quiet on this 1195920987 M * mark_2 e.g. libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7d12000 1195920995 M * mark_2 libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7c89000) 1195921207 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1195921364 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net 1195921831 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195922370 M * mark_2 is there any utility to summarize memory usage per guest? 1195922618 M * daniel_hozac vserver-stat? 1195922641 M * daniel_hozac the linker has nothing to do with it, the addresses are not relevant at all. 1195922643 M * mark_2 right... 1195922657 M * mark_2 sorry, feel silly for not noticing it 1195922658 M * daniel_hozac if the file is the same, the contents will be shared. 1195922668 M * mark_2 in memory, right? 1195922673 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1195922676 M * mark_2 great 1195922700 M * mark_2 I was about to write mem usage utility using awk and bash :-) 1195922726 M * daniel_hozac to measure how much is shared, you'd need that anyway. 1195922737 M * mark_2 hm 1195922759 M * mark_2 how do you think that could be done? some flags to vps? 1195922761 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195922812 Q * weasel Quit: Reconnecting 1195922818 J * weasel weasel@weasel.chair.oftc.net 1195922822 M * mark_2 I mean, where do I get the raw "shared mem usage" data from? 1195922840 M * daniel_hozac you'd have to calculate it yourself... 1195922854 M * mark_2 sure, but where's the input data 1195922861 M * mark_2 that's what I don't know 1195922878 M * daniel_hozac /proc/self/maps, check the files, etc. 1195922902 M * mark_2 aha 1195922974 M * mark_2 do you know what/where can I get info on meaning of /proc/self/maps columns? 1195922975 M * mark_2 b7d8e000-b7da0000 r-xp 00000000 09:03 869051 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.3.6.so 1195922978 M * mark_2 for example 1195922996 M * mark_2 the first is probably start/end address, right, etc 1195923026 M * mjeanson I did some more investigation and I found that when one of my vserver is set with nonamespace, it shares it's hostname with the host 1195923046 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195923047 M * mjeanson is that a normal behavior? 1195923062 M * daniel_hozac mjeanson: with recent kernels and old utils, yes. 1195923145 M * mjeanson daniel_hozac: thanks, from what version of the utils is it going to work? 1195923161 M * mark_2 thanks, DH 1195923168 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.214 should DTRT, at least. 1195923354 M * mjeanson I'll try that, thanks a lot 1195923432 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85-127-129-9.static.xdsl-line.inode.at 1195923557 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-196.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195924016 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1195924020 M * Bertl evening folks! 1195924041 M * JonB hey Bertl 1195924101 M * mark_2 yo! 1195924297 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195924308 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195924782 Q * mark_2 Quit: IceChat - Its what Cool People use 1195925266 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195925300 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195925301 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195925533 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1195925764 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1195925883 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.230.236 1195926294 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Operation timed out 1195926512 M * kwowt daaamn 1195926518 M * kwowt what tha fsck am i doint 1195926521 M * kwowt g 1195926522 M * kwowt :| 1195926530 Q * BobR_zZ Server closed connection 1195926532 J * BobR_zZ odie@IRC.13thfloor.at 1195926696 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1195927182 J * SDwarfs ~abc@M3406P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at 1195927426 M * SDwarfs hello, anyone has some time to help me with a vserver problem? in special: I set up a CPU usage limitation but it seems that the user can use 100% of all CPU-Resources... Details can be found at: http://worldtalk.de/vserver.txt 1195927574 M * daniel_hozac SDwarfs: you shouldn't use dynamic context ids. they're deprecated for years and removed in 2.3. 1195927621 M * daniel_hozac what does cat /etc/vservers//flags show? 1195927652 M * SDwarfs daniel_hozac: I just followed a tutorial... because the documentation isnt that "self explaining" ... how to set the context id? 1195927678 M * daniel_hozac AFAIK all examples on linux-vserver.org specify the context id. 1195927690 M * daniel_hozac just use --context X when you build the guests. 1195927692 M * SDwarfs daniel_hozac: that file does not exist... I saw things about this file, but found no documentation for it 1195927709 Q * matti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195927715 M * SDwarfs daniel_hozac: is it possible to be set still after creation? 1195927717 M * daniel_hozac to set it after the fact, echo > /etc/vservers//context 1195927730 M * daniel_hozac see http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags 1195927739 M * daniel_hozac in particular, you want sched_hard. 1195927770 M * SDwarfs sure, but how to set this?? echo "sched_hard" >> /etc/vservers//flags ? 1195927794 M * daniel_hozac that's what the link in the third section says, yes. 1195927798 M * SDwarfs one line = one flag? or one line for all flags with whitespace seperation? 1195927822 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Capabilities_and_Flags explains everything, IMHO. 1195927921 M * SDwarfs oh, it seems its realy documented in: http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html to, I dont know why I did not find it 1195927989 M * SDwarfs ok, I'll try to help myself any further now... and will tell you the result 1195928029 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1195928040 M * SDwarfs thank you so far... 1195928138 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome. 1195928894 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195928935 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195929010 M * SDwarfs daniel_hozac: by the way, do you know how to find out how many "jiffies" are 1 second on my system? I wrote a little program that uses the system call? Are "jiffies" = 1s / HZ (where HZ is the number of context switches per second)??? in /proc/config.gz I found that HZ is configures to 250 Hz (seems so) 1195929102 J * oo ~oo@burka.ormset.no 1195929124 M * oo 'evening 1195929151 M * SDwarfs (just forget this with the system call... I tried to find this out via a function like msec_in_jiffies or so, but had problems finding the right include-File - couldnt compile it) 1195929183 M * daniel_hozac yes, a jiffy is 1s / HZ. 1195929244 M * oo I am making a script that looks like this: cmd='ls /etc/init.d/postgres*'; vcontext --migrate --xid $context --chroot -- $cmd . The script yields ls: /etc/init.d/postgres*: No such file or directory. When cmd='ls /etc/init.d/mysql' it works. /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 does exist. What shell script magic need I apply here to get cmd correctly? :) 1195929263 M * SDwarfs then I have the following problem now: the Tokens are refilling much to fast... 1195929286 Q * wenchien Server closed connection 1195929305 J * wenchien ~wenchien@59-105-176-102.adsl.static.seed.net.tw 1195929323 M * daniel_hozac oo: vserver ... exec sh -c "$cmd" 1195929341 M * SDwarfs I tried setting interval to 1000000 but, the tokens just move up much to fast... I used vsched to set the values (( I hope this works at the moment, at least /proc/virtual/2/sched shows the values I set )) 1195929361 Q * mountie Remote host closed the connection 1195929421 M * SDwarfs oo: the "..." is the name of the guest system in daniels hint 1195929426 M * oo daniel_hozac: you clever little devil.. vcontext --migrate --xid $context --chroot -- sh -c "$cmd" worked like a charm. Thanks! 1195929462 M * oo SDwarfs: yes. But I also forgot sh -c ... Am a bit rusty :( 1195929484 M * daniel_hozac SDwarfs: well, IIRC, the Debian kernel does not work very well when it comes to the scheduler. 1195929490 M * daniel_hozac SDwarfs: try a recent kernel. 1195929506 M * daniel_hozac (that is, the Debian etch kernel. backports should be fine) 1195929621 M * SDwarfs a recent kernel? Isnt 2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 recent enough? 1195929730 M * daniel_hozac that's vs2.0.2.2-rc9... it's almost a year old by now. 1195929750 M * SDwarfs outch... 1195929789 M * daniel_hozac 2 weeks and 2 days till it's exactly a year old :) 1195929808 M * SDwarfs Hmm... ok, so I have to build the kernel myself... or is there any newer precompiled version for debian etch out there? (in testing state or so) 1195929823 M * daniel_hozac as i said, backports.org's kernel should be fine. 1195929869 M * daniel_hozac building your own kernel would work too, of course. 1195929872 M * SDwarfs Hmm... but I would have no debian security patches in it then... 1195929984 M * SDwarfs I worked some years with gentoo and was now quite released to have much less work with security problems using debian... 1195930001 M * SDwarfs ...thats just the tradeoff now 1195930019 M * daniel_hozac i guess that's where it would be beneficial to build your own kernel. 1195930084 M * daniel_hozac then it's just a matter of rebuilding it when a new version is released, no wait required. 1195930174 M * SDwarfs Do you know weather I could get the sources debian kernel package somehow... or at least the patches for it? (I know its more a question for a channel like "#debian") 1195930228 M * daniel_hozac probably, but what good would it do you? 1195930298 M * SDwarfs the security patches in special and maybe some patches in it required for debian... 1195930321 M * SDwarfs Iam quite unsure, what debian patched in.. 1195930341 M * SDwarfs in special I could use exactly that version debian regards as "stable" 1195930380 M * SDwarfs sure I could take the most recent stable vanilla sources... 1195930412 M * SDwarfs but somehow I have quite a bad feeling about that 1195930500 M * daniel_hozac you realize that by sticking to the old kernel, you don't get any significantly newer Linux-VServer versions either, right? 1195930580 M * SDwarfs ah, ok, I see... 2.6.18 itself is not quite recent... so this seems logical 1195930899 M * SDwarfs Ok, I should have had a look at backports.org first, I thought it was a resource for a modified kernelsource or something like this... but as I can just use it with apt-get this will be fine for me, thought 1195930918 M * SDwarfs so I can keep my system up to date with it... 1195931955 Q * ^Toad Quit: Changing server 1195932868 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1195933617 Q * mjeanson Quit: Lost terminal 1195933804 M * SDwarfs daniel_hozac: OK, the newest vserver-kernel from backports.org worked fine... Thx; Is there a way to see the current amount of tokens for a context in /proc anywhere? (cat /proc/virtual/2/sched seems not so show it anymore) 1195933839 M * daniel_hozac it does. 1195933880 M * daniel_hozac it's the 7th column on the cpu lines. 1195933902 M * daniel_hozac so in 1195933903 M * daniel_hozac cpu 0: 1112864 17933 0 1123055520 0 R- 600 100 600 60/100 1/8 0 0 1195933909 M * daniel_hozac the current is 600. 1195934013 M * SDwarfs aaah, thx 1195934084 M * SDwarfs and its documented: http://linux-vserver.org/ProcFS *gg* nice 1195934132 M * SDwarfs according to the documentation its the 8th column 1195934217 M * SDwarfs But all this works fine now and I have a more recent kernel... fine... you helped me a lot 1195934227 M * SDwarfs thx again 1195934249 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome. 1195934510 Q * ensc Server closed connection 1195934529 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F7AC.dip.t-dialin.net 1195934833 J * tanjix ~tanjix@dslb-084-058-017-066.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195935200 Q * SDwarfs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195935246 J * mire ~mire@191-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195936007 Q * shuri Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195936280 Q * Johnnie Server closed connection 1195936297 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.ct.comcast.net 1195936852 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-107.dclient.hispeed.ch 1195937116 Q * quasisane Server closed connection 1195937346 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1195937386 Q * djbclark Server closed connection 1195937396 J * djbclark dclark@opensysadmin.com 1195937642 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195937681 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-245-139.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195938387 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195938446 Q * rob-84x^ Server closed connection 1195938447 J * rob-84x^ rob@submarine.ath.cx 1195938504 Q * onox Quit: leaving 1195938776 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195939002 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1195940466 M * faheem__1 Anyone got example usage for building a vserver fedora guest? 1195940480 M * faheem__1 I see http://linux-vserver.org/Installing_32-bit_Fedora_on_64-bit_Debian. 1195940527 M * Bertl and? didn't like it? 1195940733 M * Bertl check out 'vserver - build --help' 1195940753 M * Bertl it's quite straight forward and similar for all archs 1195940765 M * Bertl s/archs/package systems/ 1195940766 M * faheem__1 Bertl: Are those current instructions then? Wasn't sure. 1195940805 M * faheem__1 Bertl: It will still complain about yum on Debian though, right? :-) 1195940834 M * Bertl about yum being there, being not there, or not being up to date? :) 1195940937 N * ensc Guest146 1195940947 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FC8E.dip.t-dialin.net 1195941058 Q * Guest146 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195941194 J * quasisane ~sanep@c-76-118-191-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net 1195941332 M * Bertl wb quasisane! 1195941537 J * mac4010 ~mpazzi@host10-10-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1195941632 M * Bertl welcome mac4010! 1195941741 P * mac4010 1195942173 M * faheem__1 Bertl: about yum having security issues... 1195942207 M * Bertl ah, yes, because the debian yum version is older and unpatched 1195942512 M * faheem__1 Bertl: Yes. 1195942907 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195942923 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195943092 M * faheem__1 Can someone remind me how to install yum inside a fedora guest. I remember this came up with centos too, but don't remember how it was resolved... 1195943119 M * daniel_hozac linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_CentOS 1195943125 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Fedora 1195943217 M * faheem__1 daniel_hozac: Oh, right. Thanks. 1195943919 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1195943983 M * faheem__1 Is this pkgmgmt internalize recommended? 1195944084 M * Bertl well, it is the default for most distros you install on real machines (as there is no external package management :) 1195944194 M * faheem__1 Bertl: Not enabled by default on Fedora, though. Apparently. 1195944226 M * Bertl it is, as I said, for installation on _real_ machines 1195944309 M * daniel_hozac if you want the guest to manage the packages itself, you'll need to internalize it. 1195944345 M * faheem__1 Bertl: I've not needed to do that for any other system, including Debian, Gentoo, Centos... 1195944358 M * daniel_hozac CentOS needs it. 1195944362 M * faheem__1 Am I supposed to do it even if the internal package management system seems to work? 1195944370 M * daniel_hozac any rpm-based distro will need it. 1195944380 M * faheem__1 daniel_hozac: Oh, Ok. 1195944393 M * faheem__1 Maybe I did it for CentOS. Don't remember, 1195944477 Q * yarihm Remote host closed the connection 1195945645 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195945833 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FC8E.dip.t-dialin.net 1195946157 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-107.dclient.hispeed.ch