1195777930 N * dsoul_ dsoul 1195778565 J * tanjix2 ~tanjix@dslb-084-058-046-004.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195778567 Q * tanjix Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195779085 J * liona29 ~liona29@ANantes-257-1-65-105.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr 1195779198 Q * liona29 1195779218 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195780590 J * AStorm e83b0a1187@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195782522 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1195783118 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195784188 Q * Hunger Quit: changing servers 1195784258 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1195784845 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1195787124 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1195788455 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.179.130 1195793212 N * Moo Guest1628 1195793261 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-240-99.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1195793667 Q * shuri Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195796765 Q * hparker Quit: reboot 1195797249 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1195797260 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1195798809 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no 1195799829 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-2-12.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1195800124 Q * hparker Quit: g'nite 1195800237 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195803183 Q * kwowt 1195804125 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com 1195805772 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO 1195805980 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85.127.102.124 1195806242 Q * tanjix2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195807296 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1195807549 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195807822 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197 1195807895 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195807999 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1195808044 M * gebura hi 1195808083 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de 1195808104 M * Bertl_oO hey gebura! 1195808117 M * gebura hello Bertl ! 1195808239 J * mire ~mire@51-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195808428 M * yang Hi Bertl_oO ! Does RAM Limiting works ? Is this the manual I need to read about that - http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Memory+Allocation 1195808525 M * Bertl_oO http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation 1195808537 M * Bertl_oO http://linux-vserver.org/Memory_Limits 1195808548 M * Bertl_oO yes, memory limits work, RSS and VM 1195808612 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn146.rz.uni-mannheim.de 1195808614 M * yang OK, what happens when the user reachs the maximum amount of memory and he wants to start some new program? 1195808724 Q * shuri Read error: Operation timed out 1195808742 M * yang or if one of the programs reaches the top of the memory 1195808759 M * Bertl_oO depends on the limit, hard limits (e.g. VM) will result in memory denials 1195808796 M * yang meaning the program will crash? 1195808800 M * Bertl_oO note that due to the overcommitment normally used on linux systems, the rss hard limit will only cause OOM killing at some point 1195808823 J * dna ~dna@176-231-dsl.kielnet.net 1195808860 M * Bertl_oO yang: if the program does not handle the denied memory properly, then yes (that's not different from a normal linux system) 1195808885 M * yang ok 1195808886 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1195808917 M * Bertl_oO what _is_ different is that a guest will be allowed to go over the limits, as long as the host has enough resources available 1195809087 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195809278 M * yang Bertl_oO: sometimes the linux-vserver website is down, would you need a mirror? 1195809333 M * Bertl_oO when is it down? 1195809430 M * Bertl_oO in any case, please contact Hollow .. he has all the details ... 1195809437 M * Bertl_oO off now for a while ... back later ... 1195809544 M * Hollow hu? 1195809564 M * Hollow this machine is monitored and was never down since weeks 1195809569 M * Hollow months 1195809618 M * yang ah Hollow then its ok...When I was checking some months ago, it was temporary down 1195809665 M * Hollow dunno when the migration to the new box happened, but it's already been a while 1195809714 M * yang There are some errors with debootstrap procedure http://openpaste.org/en/4017/ 1195809749 M * yang or maybe there is no debootstrap image for debian testing 1195809762 Q * Yvo Quit: Leaving. 1195809843 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1195809853 M * gebura yang, are you installing from a debian/ubuntu ? 1195809911 M * yang yes 1195809920 M * yang from debian 1195810001 M * yang http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.7_all.deb 1195810005 M * yang i found this link 1195810062 M * gebura hum 1195810089 M * gebura firstly it will be simplier if you install deboostrap on your host server (apt-get install debootstrap) 1195810134 M * gebura secondly there is a vserver-debiantools package witch can act as a frontend to vserver build 1195810172 M * gebura http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/vserver/create-instance/ 1195810254 M * gebura there is also a "newvserver" command in this package 1195810408 M * yang nice 1195810471 Q * larsivi Remote host closed the connection 1195810508 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1195810821 M * Alteisen hm, vserver-debiantools packages is not recommended 1195810859 M * Alteisen (i have been told ;-) 1195810874 M * larsivi and I can confirm that :P 1195810951 M * Alteisen i have noted down bertls arguments concerning that with the intention of contributing that to the faq 1195811027 M * Alteisen .oO( argh my english needs some enhancements ) 1195811496 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19 1195811508 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195811594 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1195811687 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1195812064 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195812086 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195812166 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn131.rz.uni-mannheim.de 1195812630 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1195812714 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-249-090.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195813784 N * AStorm Guest1644 1195813788 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195814052 Q * Guest1644 Remote host closed the connection 1195818767 Q * FloodServ synthon.oftc.net services.oftc.net 1195819482 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net 1195819737 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195820495 J * ntrs ~ntrs@79.125.230.96 1195820977 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195821422 Q * Yvo Quit: Leaving. 1195821691 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1195821821 J * mire_ ~mire@191-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195822069 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195824532 Q * michal Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195824668 M * igraltist hi 1195824709 M * igraltist when i start in the guest the xserver it work but no possible to switch back to with alt +f1 to console 1195824715 M * igraltist what is misssing 1195824824 J * michal ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1195824871 M * matthew__ check xorg.conf for ZapSignals 1195824876 M * matthew__ or something similar 1195824882 M * matthew__ man xorg.conf ;) 1195825824 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195826207 J * cruser ~chatzilla@134.Red-80-35-219.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1195826236 M * Bertl_oO igraltist: access to the 'other' vt devices 1195826273 M * Bertl_oO vt/vc 1195826293 M * igraltist yes 1195826315 M * igraltist so after one try i must reboot to get access to system again 1195826322 M * Bertl_oO I meant, the access is 'missing' :) 1195826349 M * Bertl_oO and no, you _can_ switch back over ssh (IIRC) 1195826373 M * igraltist i start it local 1195826405 M * igraltist i enter the guest and do starx and i get it 1195826407 M * Bertl_oO yes, you will lose console access, but you could logon via ssh, and switch back to the X console 1195826472 M * Bertl_oO X does a bunch of strange things when switching to a different console 1195826495 M * Bertl_oO some of them require that the 'new' console devbice is present and accessible 1195826510 M * igraltist ok i must try more for testing 1195826525 M * Bertl_oO you also need permission to do bios calls and similar (for some X configs) 1195826598 M * Bertl_oO are you working on a multiseat solution, or what is the purpose of putting X11 (hardware server) inside a guest? 1195826647 M * igraltist encryption setup and to seperate the host setup from the desktop what i need 1195826669 M * Bertl_oO i.c. so you are interested in security then? 1195826676 M * igraltist later :) 1195826690 M * igraltist first i need to get all working 1195826724 M * Bertl_oO okay, keep hitting it with CAPs then :) 1195826830 M * matthew__ can you run xservers from different vservers on the same host? 1195826907 M * JonB matthew__: yes 1195826938 M * JonB matthew__: oh, you mean Xservers that used real hardware and not just virtual X servers? 1195826965 M * matthew__ yes, I would want them to all be able to access the real hardware and do 3d acceleration and stuff 1195826983 M * JonB matthew__: then i think you can only run one at a time 1195827011 M * matthew__ presumeably, with something like xen or at least a hypervisor-based solution, you could? 1195827029 M * JonB matthew__: i dont know 1195827040 M * JonB matthew__: i dont think it will be accelerated 1195827041 M * Bertl_oO matthew__: it's not different from a normal Linux system, if you can run several X servers on that, you can with Linux-VServer 1195827058 M * Bertl_oO matthew__: Xen has the problem that you cannot run 3D at all 1195827063 M * matthew__ oh right! 1195827083 M * Bertl_oO well, at least not until proper I/O MMUs appear for intel hardware 1195827094 M * matthew__ I thought they were just out now? 1195827101 M * Bertl_oO (able to map PCI spaces and such) 1195827117 M * matthew__ is this the stuff that used to be called paladium? 1195827136 M * matthew__ (full virtualisation of IO ?) 1195827164 M * Bertl_oO yes, palladium is the plan :) 1195827187 M * matthew__ I thought it had just been rolled into the newest core 2 duos? 1195827193 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving 1195827193 M * matthew__ (and associated chipsets) 1195827221 M * Bertl_oO has it? well, then Xen should support it in a year or so :) 1195827257 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195827302 M * matthew__ Extra, Extra! Linux-vserver developer slags off opposition! Read it while it's hot! :p 1195827322 M * Bertl_oO nah, problem is, it's not trivial in several ways 1195827342 M * Bertl_oO first, you have to get those machines (and to the Xen developers, of course) 1195827371 M * Bertl_oO second, you need to do the virtualization for all kinds of stuff, e.g. DMA and especially BusMaster DMA 1195827399 M * Bertl_oO third, this will only allow you to 'designate' a specific graphics card to a domU 1195827416 M * matthew__ sure, I wasn't suggesting I would be easy. 1195827420 M * Bertl_oO i.e. you cannot share it between different domUs 1195827448 M * Bertl_oO but, if you ware only interested in running Linux, then the future looks brighter 1195827465 M * matthew__ yeah, I don't care about non-linux 1195827485 M * Bertl_oO there is development going on to write 'virtual' GL drivers for guest systems 1195827503 M * matthew__ so they proxy calls through? 1195827520 M * Bertl_oO which, once the entire desktop is GL aware (think compiz and friends) will allow to send the GL stuff to the 'host servers 1195827527 M * matthew__ yep. 1195827530 M * matthew__ that's scary 1195827549 M * matthew__ you could leak information that way - one guest writes textures into the gpu memory, another guest reads it off. 1195827555 M * Bertl_oO yeah, especially as it will allow you to run compiz inside compiz :) 1195827571 M * Bertl_oO i.e. inside a window :) 1195827588 M * matthew__ obviously, it's pretty common for vserver to be used on servers. I'm in two minds (well, at least two) about running it on the desktop 1195827624 M * Bertl_oO I use it on the desktop for containing all the junk I do not want to get disturbed by :) 1195827633 M * matthew__ and frankly, I /really/ don't care for compiz. I use ratpoison, xterms, emacs and firefox and that's about it 1195827642 M * Bertl_oO but the X11 system is running on the host here 1195827665 M * matthew__ right. and then you ssh -X into the other vservers to do work? 1195827698 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net 1195827701 M * Bertl_oO or just enter them (e.g.to start a terminal) 1195827741 M * matthew__ ooo. vserver foo enter preserves environment? 1195827749 M * Bertl_oO okay, have some more work to get done .. bbl 1195827758 M * matthew__ ok, thanks for your thoughts 1195827766 M * Bertl_oO you're welcome! 1195828354 M * fb Bertl_oO: i thing i have an option in the bios, to turn on IO vitrualization 1195828584 J * Julius ~julius@p57B25682.dip.t-dialin.net 1195828712 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195829680 Q * cruser Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514] 1195830219 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195830537 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B27D9B.dip.t-dialin.net 1195830838 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195830964 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195831888 J * fuzzpedal ~matt@isotoma.gotadsl.co.uk 1195831914 P * fuzzpedal 1195833755 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.230.96 1195833756 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195833822 Q * julius_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195834047 J * root__ ~root@static-ip-62-75-242-213.inaddr.intergenia.de 1195834060 M * root__ hi 1195834065 N * root__ Golomb 1195834094 M * Golomb someone here? 1195834583 M * Golomb  1195834936 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.230.96 1195834936 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195835129 Q * ntrs__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195835148 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.230.96 1195835262 N * AStorm Guest16 1195835266 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195835321 Q * Guest16 Remote host closed the connection 1195835360 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.230.96 1195835360 Q * ntrs__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195835474 M * Golomb hm 1195835562 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195835639 M * Golomb hi 1195835664 M * Golomb some vserver-experts here? 1195836014 M * JonB Golomb: both daniel_hozac and Bertl_oO seem to be offline 1195836191 M * Golomb hm 1195836211 M * JonB what is your problem 1195836240 M * Golomb I'm trying to switch to a new vserver-installation 1195836246 M * JonB yes? 1195836255 M * Golomb the guest-os is an SLES10 1195836275 M * Golomb and I have problems with devices 1195836315 M * JonB what devices? 1195836329 M * Golomb /dev/ptmx is disappearing after start of the guest 1195836367 M * Golomb if i copy it back I can enter the guest 1195836376 M * Golomb but I canÄ't start sshd: 1195836415 M * JonB use paste.linux-vserver.org 1195836424 M * JonB show me a ls from /dev inside your guest 1195836440 M * JonB what version of util-vserver are you running? 1195836446 M * JonB how did you create the vservers? 1195836482 M * Golomb i see an "fatal: daemon() failed: No such device" in /var/log/messages if i try to start sshd. 1195836506 M * Golomb if i start sshd with debugging enabled (-d), it works 1195836518 M * Golomb strace /usr/sbin/sshd doesnÄ't help me, too. 1195836540 M * Golomb mompls... 1195836555 M * Golomb ok 1195836562 M * Golomb i'm using util-vserver-0.30.214 1195836590 M * Golomb and dev looks like this: 1195836603 M * Golomb mediadb:/ # ls -l /dev 1195836603 M * Golomb insgesamt 20 1195836603 M * Golomb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2007-11-23 14:27 core -> /proc/kcore 1195836603 M * Golomb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-11-23 14:27 fd -> /proc/self/fd 1195836603 M * Golomb crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 7 2007-11-22 16:38 full 1195836606 M * Golomb prw------- 1 root root 0 2007-11-23 14:25 initctl 1195836608 M * Golomb srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-11-23 14:27 log 1195836611 M * Golomb drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-11-22 16:39 mapper 1195836613 M * Golomb drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-09-07 11:46 net 1195836616 M * Golomb -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-11-23 17:51 null 1195836618 M * Golomb crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 2007-11-23 17:51 ptmx 1195836621 M * Golomb drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2007-11-22 11:26 pts 1195836623 M * Golomb crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 8 2007-11-22 16:38 random 1195836626 M * Golomb drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 2006-06-16 15:53 shm 1195836628 M * Golomb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-23 14:27 stderr -> /proc/self/fd/2 1195836631 M * Golomb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-23 14:27 stdin -> /proc/self/fd/0 1195836633 M * Golomb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-23 14:27 stdout -> /proc/self/fd/1 1195836634 M * JonB STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 1195836635 M * JonB STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 1195836636 M * Golomb -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 197 2007-11-23 15:06 tty 1195836636 M * JonB STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 1195836636 M * JonB STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 1195836637 M * JonB STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 1195836637 F * FloodServ +q *!*@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195836638 M * Golomb -rw--w---- 1 root tty 186 2007-11-22 16:49 tty10 1195836641 M * Golomb crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 9 2007-11-23 14:27 urandom 1195836643 M * Golomb pr-------- 1 root tty 0 2007-11-22 16:49 xconsole 1195836645 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving 1195836651 M * sid3windr wtf :p 1195836659 M * weasel floodserv++ 1195836667 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195836671 M * Golomb re 1195836677 M * Golomb sorry :( 1195836677 F * weasel -q *!*@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195836681 M * JonB Golomb: i told you to use fucking paste.linux-vserver.com 1195836770 M * Golomb oh, sorry, last time I used IRC (1995) there didn't exist such services like paste.linux-vserver.com. 1195836784 M * JonB thats a looooong time ago 1195836818 M * Golomb yes. 1195836826 M * Golomb my irc-time was 1990-1995 1195837019 M * JonB anyway, when is the paste.linux-vserver.org url comming? 1195837056 J * Yb ~YB@89.189.71.9 1195837057 M * sid3windr he already pasted it here :p 1195837153 M * Golomb i repasted it now again 1195837153 M * Yb Hi All ..I'm looking for "wholeseller Linux-vserver 32bit & 64bit" any help here for me ..thanks 1195837169 M * JonB oh? i cant see it 1195837213 M * JonB but never mind 1195837218 M * JonB i have to go soon anyway 1195837242 M * Golomb hm 1195837293 M * Golomb I see now on the left: Recent posts: Golomb 2 mins ago 1195837326 M * JonB looking 1195837344 M * JonB what was the ssh error message? 1195837359 M * JonB Golomb: did you change ssh on the HOST so it does not bind to 0.0.0.0 ? 1195837365 M * JonB but only to the hosts ip address? 1195837369 M * Golomb yes, sure 1195837404 M * Golomb one more problem: 1195837421 M * Golomb less(1) is not working correctly 1195837443 M * JonB did you enable/disable something strange in your kernel? 1195837451 M * JonB Golomb: which kernel version are you running? 1195837452 M * Golomb I don't think so. 1195837460 M * Golomb 2.6.22.12-smp 1195837505 M * JonB vserver version? 1195837623 M * Golomb I pasted my kernel-config to the paste.linux-vserver.com 1195837639 M * Golomb vserver is patch-2.6.22.10-vs2.2.0.5.diff 1195837756 M * Golomb the ssh-error message is "sshd[27102]: fatal: daemon() failed: No such device" 1195837777 M * JonB strange 1195837783 M * Golomb but if I start it with "/usr/sbin/sshd -d", it is working 1195837805 M * Golomb but only one instance. seems to be a problem with the fork 1195837834 M * JonB check that the PATH is correct 1195837871 M * Golomb you mean the PATH-environment while starting /etc/init.d/sshd ? 1195837875 M * JonB gotta go 1195837881 M * JonB yes,. that path environment 1195837883 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195837892 M * Golomb never ever heard of problems with that. 1195837925 M * Golomb hm 1195838005 M * Golomb I donÄ't think, that the PATH enviroment has an influence, if "/usr/sbin/sshdproduces the message "No such device" and "/usr/sbin/sshd -d" works. 1195838140 M * Yb Hi All ..I'm looking for "wholeseller Linux-vserver 32bit & 64bit" any help here for me ..thanks++ 1195838209 Q * tokkee Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195838223 J * tokkee tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org 1195838256 Q * gebura Quit: Quitte 1195838948 J * larsivi ~larsivi@144.84-48-50.nextgentel.com 1195839130 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@192.38.8.25 1195839470 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.253.37 1195839595 Q * Yb Quit: Leaving 1195839877 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Operation timed out 1195840156 M * daniel_hozac Golomb: use strace -fF -o sshd.strace /usr/sbin/sshd and upload the sshd.strace file. 1195840916 M * Golomb daniel_hozac: mompl 1195840952 M * Golomb i will do that 1195840998 M * Golomb but something much shorter is "less /etc/passwd" after entering the SLES10 via "vserver enter" 1195841077 M * Golomb there i find lines like this: 1195841078 M * Golomb open("/dev/tty", O_RDONLY) = 3 1195841078 M * Golomb ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0x7fffa12b6450) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) 1195841234 M * daniel_hozac and what is /dev/tty? 1195841290 M * Golomb outch 1195841312 M * Golomb now itÄs a normal text file and no device anymore... 1195841339 Q * Hunger Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195841459 M * Golomb ok, sorry. the "less"-problem is fixed now :(. no idea, why this was corrupted 1195841561 M * Golomb aaaahhhh 1195841578 M * Golomb and after fixing /dev/null, sshd is running now, too! 1195841603 M * Golomb what happened to all my devices ? 1195841666 M * daniel_hozac sounds like your guest is doing silly things like removing them. 1195841782 M * Golomb i will restart the guest and look at them again 1195841881 M * Golomb ok 1195841893 M * Golomb after restarting the sles10, following happened: 1195841912 M * Golomb /dev/null is a plain file 1195841928 M * Golomb /dev/tty is a plain file 1195841951 M * daniel_hozac so, your guest is silly. 1195841956 M * Golomb seems so 1195842089 M * Golomb question: if IÄ configurinit as style "plain", does "vserver start" look at the entries of /etc/inittab of the host ? 1195842107 M * daniel_hozac no, of the guest. 1195842121 M * daniel_hozac or, rather, /sbin/init inside the guest looks at that. 1195842140 M * Golomb ok, that was exactly that, what I was meaning ;-) 1195842260 Q * JonB Read error: Operation timed out 1195842290 M * Golomb ok, additionally, /dev/ptmx was deleted 1195842327 J * JonB hidden-use@192.38.9.151 1195842419 M * Golomb hm /etc/inittab looks like this: 1195842421 M * Golomb # First script to be executed, if not booting in emergency (-b) mode 1195842421 M * Golomb si::bootwait:/etc/init.d/boot 1195842468 M * Golomb and in that script, SLES10 mounts /dev as a tmpfs 1195842503 M * Golomb and then, it populates /dev with initial content via an "cp --preserve=all --recursive --remove-destination /lib/udev/devices/* /dev" 1195842522 M * daniel_hozac what capabilities have you given your guest? 1195842527 M * Golomb as vserver, the mount of /dev failes 1195842541 M * Golomb an the cp corrupts my /dev 1195842548 M * daniel_hozac ah, yes. 1195842651 M * Golomb it commented out these lines in that script and try it again 1195842710 M * Golomb and now it works! 1195842712 M * Golomb wonderful! 1195842724 M * Golomb thank you a lot for your help! 1195842727 M * Golomb :-)) 1195842944 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome. 1195843180 M * faheem__1 Hi guys, probably this is unrelated to vserver, but a machine I 1195843193 M * faheem__1 I'm running vserver seems to have gone nuts. 1195843224 M * faheem__1 Most of /dev seems to have disappeared. I'm now seeing initctl null pts shm .static 1195843256 M * faheem__1 From googling, this looks like a udev problem, but I haven't changed anything and this is running Debian etch. 1195843282 M * faheem__1 udev is running too. Any idea what might have happened? 1195843342 M * Golomb hm, seems a lot like my problem 1195843350 M * Golomb but i have to go now, sorry 8-( 1195843359 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106 1195843366 M * Golomb but my problem was SLES10-related 1195843387 M * Golomb you can look at the log of IRC today on www.linux-vserver.org 1195843423 M * Golomb in short: init looked, at /etc/inittab, /etc/inittab had si::bootwait:/etc/init.d/boot and in that script /dev was corrupted. 1195843431 M * Golomb must go now, sorry! bye!! 1195843432 Q * Golomb Quit: leaving 1195843437 M * faheem__1 Golomb: Probably unrelated. Thanks. 1195843454 M * bzed faheem__1: http://paste.debian.net/43274 1195843463 M * bzed in case you missed it 1195843558 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1195843579 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1195843772 M * Bertl faheem__1: seems like your udev tmpfs was unmounted 1195843784 M * Bertl (or not mounted at all) 1195843874 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: you're in princeton now? 1195843879 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1195843892 M * Bertl nice place? (hotel) 1195843921 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@213.163.11.138 1195843922 M * daniel_hozac it's the basement of the house Sapan lives in. 1195843943 M * daniel_hozac it's fine for my needs. 1195843947 M * Bertl ah, good 1195843988 M * Bertl how's sapan doing btw? 1195844039 M * daniel_hozac he seems to be doing fine. 1195844091 M * Bertl any progess on the planetlab updates? 1195844210 M * daniel_hozac the trunk is currently based on 0.30.213 and 2.6.22-vs2.3, it just needs testing and then i guess the roll-out will commence. 1195844230 M * Bertl sounds good! 1195844280 M * Bertl 213, doesn't that mean, no ipv6? 1195844295 M * daniel_hozac i'm just now updating to 0.30.214 ;) 1195844313 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1195844316 M * Bertl okay :) 1195844470 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-249-090.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195844536 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1195845310 M * faheem__1 Bertl: Not sure what happened, but a reboot seems to have fixed it. It is possible my co-sysadmin may have done something to it. 1195845336 M * faheem__1 Is it possible for udev to go kerplooey by itself for no particular reason? Very perturbing. 1195845359 M * Bertl the .static is usually the marker that you do not have/see the tmpfs 1195845389 M * faheem__1 Bertl: tmpfs showed up in a df, though. 1195845418 M * Bertl being mounted where? 1195845542 M * faheem__1 Bertl: Not sure, since it has been rebooted. I'm now seeing two tmpfs, one mounted on /lib/init/rw and the other /dev/shm, which looks correct. 1195845604 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1195845620 M * faheem__1 Anyway, this sort of thing is really stressful. That's why I try not to let anyone else touch the machines I'm admining. People are so careless. 1195845636 M * faheem__1 Sorry for the noise. 1195845640 M * Bertl np 1195845884 Q * dsoul Remote host closed the connection 1195846491 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1195847982 J * NetAsh ~na@87.247.101.146 1195847993 M * NetAsh hello 1195848008 M * NetAsh have some problems 1195848066 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195848068 M * NetAsh a host has has multiple ethX nework devices 1195848079 J * JonB hidden-use@192.38.9.151 1195848084 M * NetAsh and hase some vlanX devices 1195848145 M * NetAsh if I configure dev=ethX - everything ok 1195848225 M * NetAsh in case of dev=vlanX - networking in guest works as I intended, but it shouts and curses everyone 1195848241 M * NetAsh about missing "nodev" flag 1195848264 M * NetAsh I add nodev - warnings stops, but it kilss networking 1195848268 M * NetAsh in the guoest 1195848316 M * NetAsh I tried "novlandev" - no ressult, it still shout about missing "nodev" flag 1195848359 M * NetAsh in case of "nodev" and "novlandev" - the result is the same as with "nodev" 1195848364 M * NetAsh ./ 1195848380 M * NetAsh by the way - vserver 2.0.X 1195848393 M * NetAsh ./ 1195848425 M * NetAsh question how to force guest use vlanX device in the same fashion as plain ethX ? 1195848439 M * daniel_hozac which util-vserver version? 1195848473 M * NetAsh 0.30.212-1 1195848480 M * NetAsh (debian etch) 1195848495 M * daniel_hozac get the backport, your version may be lacking in the VLAN support... 1195848528 M * NetAsh 0.30.214-5 will sufice ? 1195848557 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1195848586 M * NetAsh ok, thanks, I'll try it later 1195848626 M * NetAsh ./ 1195848675 M * NetAsh 2.6.22.14 + vs2.2.0.5 = succes report 1195850025 Q * mire_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195850228 J * mire ~mire@191-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195850501 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195850512 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195850727 M * arekm hm, vserver stop doesn't umount pts, proc, tmp by default? 1195850760 M * daniel_hozac if you haven't disabled namespaces, they go away automatically when the last process exits. 1195850832 M * arekm daniel_hozac: ipc/uts ns enabled here 1195850836 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-221-157.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1195850863 M * daniel_hozac i was referring to mount namespaces, but ok. 1195850905 M * daniel_hozac there is a bug somewhere that leaks a namespace when using rpm-fake. i haven't tracked it down yet. 1195850951 M * arekm it is possible to still umount these? 1195851005 M * daniel_hozac not AFAIK. i haven't found a way to access the leaked namespace. 1195851208 M * NetAsh reboot :( 1195851266 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195851282 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-229-230.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195851691 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195851909 Q * maddoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195852098 J * maddoc maddoc@social.ostruktur.com 1195852214 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195852622 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85-127-128-241.static.xdsl-line.inode.at 1195853450 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1195854147 M * NetAsh confirmed: util 0.30.214 solves vlanX problems 1195854170 M * NetAsh daniel_hozac thanks 1195855736 M * Bertl excellent! 1195856909 M * NetAsh by 1195856912 Q * NetAsh Quit: Leaving 1195857475 N * AStorm Guest49 1195857479 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195857547 Q * Guest49 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195858016 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1195858801 Q * michal Remote host closed the connection 1195859446 P * emtt1 1195859831 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone! 1195859844 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1195859845 M * daniel_hozac good night! 1195860482 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195860504 Q * tanjix Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195860646 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp1-45.ethz.ch 1195860954 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195861008 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1195861385 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195861425 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195861557 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1195861842 J * yarihm_ ~yarihm@84-75-112-118.dclient.hispeed.ch 1195861858 Q * mire Remote host closed the connection 1195862153 J * mire ~mire@191-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195862282 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds