1195603217 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195603255 M * jazzanova from outside, over dnat 2224 -> 22 1195603281 M * jazzanova try to connect to ssh -p2224 archimedes.hypervolume.com 1195603299 M * jazzanova do you get a delay until first prompt ? 1195603313 M * Bertl and it works fine to port 2224 if you put an sshd on that port (on the host) 1195603334 M * jazzanova rearden (the guest) runs sshd on 22 1195603345 M * jazzanova on the host there's already ssh on port 22 1195603353 M * jazzanova so i dnat 2224 to guests 22 1195603359 M * Bertl looks fine for me here 1195603386 M * Bertl yes, what I meant is: if you put an sshd (on the host) on port 2224, do you see the same behaviour, or is it fine then? 1195603419 M * Bertl also, if you get a longer delay on connect, make sure that the name resolving works properly on the guest 1195603429 M * Bertl (it will reverse your ip for log purposes= 1195603470 M * jazzanova i can ping google from the guest 1195603476 M * jazzanova does this mean it works ? 1195603484 M * Bertl at least for google, yes :) 1195603540 M * jazzanova well, i don't have it /etc/hosts file, so i figure it works then. 1195603637 M * Bertl and what exactly do you mean with 'got stuck'? 1195603791 M * jazzanova well, i was in screen 1195603794 M * jazzanova inside ssh 1195603809 M * Bertl okay, and what happened? 1195603816 M * jazzanova i was typing, and then i couldn't see what i am typing 1195603821 M * jazzanova maybe its a screen problem 1195603902 M * Bertl tey CTRL-A Q (or CTRL-Q) 1195603908 M * Bertl *try 1195603918 M * jazzanova i will try next time 1195603950 M * jazzanova so, Bertl, i got an automatic ajax system 1195603961 M * jazzanova GWT done right 1195603977 M * jazzanova i got it onlien today for the first time 1195603987 M * jazzanova the idea is to update section with ajax 1195603993 M * jazzanova sections of the page 1195604001 M * jazzanova and send all events to the server 1195604012 M * Bertl sounds good to me .. but not really Linux-VServer related, is it? 1195604018 M * jazzanova no 1195604075 M * jazzanova also, its not written in a scripting language 1195604077 M * jazzanova :) 1195604107 M * jazzanova i searced for this for 10 years, since my first cgi program. 1195604124 M * Bertl rally? 1195604129 M * Bertl *really? 1195604131 M * jazzanova this is called "pliant" 1195604141 M * jazzanova general purpose language 1195604147 M * jazzanova + this cool library 1195604190 M * jazzanova i hope by January to have something documented 1195604197 M * jazzanova so other people can try it 1195604224 M * Bertl ah, i.c. 1195604255 M * jazzanova but there's info on old.fullpliant.org abotu the language 1195604286 M * jazzanova its written by one man, for over 25 years. 1195604327 M * Bertl looking at the wikipedia entry as we speak 1195604395 M * jazzanova at this point documentation for the really cool stuff doesn't exist. 1195604409 M * jazzanova http://www.rearden.flowersinvancouver.com:8087/vancouver-florists/send/a-dozen-premium-red-roses-TF31-1.html 1195604426 M * jazzanova the "Buy" button and everything that opens up is handled by server. no js code by programmer is needed. 1195604464 M * jazzanova if you select "Canada" in bottom dropdown you will see what i mean. 1195604503 Q * ag- Server closed connection 1195604504 J * ag- ag@fedaykin.roxor.cx 1195604647 Q * pusling Server closed connection 1195604654 J * pusling pusling@77.75.162.71 1195605500 Q * Guy- Server closed connection 1195605505 J * Guy- ~korn@elan.rulez.org 1195605557 Q * Red_Devil Server closed connection 1195605565 Q * shuri Quit: Leaving 1195605568 J * Red_Devil ~red@lounge.datux.nl 1195605650 M * jazzanova Bertl: screen session inside remote ssh got stuck again 1195605700 M * Bertl did you try the CTRL-Q or CTRL-A Q ? 1195605720 M * jazzanova ah, forgot 1195605722 M * jazzanova shit 1195605728 M * jazzanova what does that do ? 1195605764 M * Bertl well, I don't know _what_ you observe, but if you (accidentially?) press CTRL-S or CTRL-A S, then your screen will block 1195605827 M * jazzanova oh, that happened to me many times 1195605831 M * jazzanova its very annoying 1195605834 M * jazzanova thanks for the tip 1195605841 M * jazzanova now i know how to revert it 1195605849 M * jazzanova but i don't thin that was thecase this time. 1195605862 M * Bertl well, we don't know, do we? :) 1195605889 M * dowdle If it was ssh disconnect, to a ~. (sometimes a couple of times) to break, reconnect and -D -R 1195606028 M * jazzanova basically, my question is if this dnat setup is good 1195606046 M * Bertl nice one, didn't know ssh honors ~. ... 1195606086 M * Bertl jazzanova: looks fine to me ... 1195606086 M * jazzanova well, i'm gonna leave this for now 1195606091 M * jazzanova thanks a bunch 1195606109 M * Bertl you're welcome! let us know if you encounter more issues ... 1195606117 M * jazzanova demo info fyi: http://archimedes.hypervolume.com/~boris/pliant.txt 1195606122 M * jazzanova yes 1195606146 M * jazzanova later 1195606693 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1195607859 Q * jordi Server closed connection 1195607883 J * jordi ~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1195608565 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone, cya! 1195608569 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1195608743 Q * mcp Server closed connection 1195608764 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1195610519 Q * doener Server closed connection 1195610523 J * doener ~doener@host.magicwars.de 1195611119 Q * danman Server closed connection 1195611122 J * danman danman@eliza.wigner.bme.hu 1195611319 Q * trippeh Server closed connection 1195611321 J * trippeh atomt@uff.ugh.no 1195612285 Q * baldy Server closed connection 1195612298 J * baldy baldy@brain.servercrew.de 1195613348 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195614103 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1195615570 Q * Adrinael Server closed connection 1195615589 J * Adrinael adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi 1195615600 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195618629 Q * _bjh_ Server closed connection 1195618631 J * _bjh_ ~bjh@84.112.154.154 1195619682 Q * moemoe Server closed connection 1195620167 Q * ex Server closed connection 1195620170 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl 1195620312 Q * Mark17 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195620407 Q * dsoul Server closed connection 1195620409 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1195621084 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.179.130 1195621699 J * Mark17 ~Mark@vnc.streamservice.nl 1195623469 Q * Mark17 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195624162 J * Mark17 ~Mark@vnc.streamservice.nl 1195624470 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195625226 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195625682 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no 1195626750 Q * AStorm Quit: ET calling home 1195627048 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-27-83.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru 1195627459 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195628289 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving 1195628296 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195628588 J * dna ~dna@p54BCCA76.dip.t-dialin.net 1195628992 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195630413 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1195631827 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1195632829 M * Alteisen good morning everyone 1195632918 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1195632970 M * Alteisen can i use patch-2.6.22.10-vs2.2.0.5.diff with linux-2.6.23.8, or should i better stay with linux-2.6.22.12? 1195633141 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net 1195633405 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212 1195633489 M * harrydg Alteisen: if any, you should use 2.6.22.13 ;) 1195633501 M * harrydg has 2 security patches included 1195633523 M * harrydg i don't think 2.6.23 has a stable 2.2.0.5 vserver patch (yet) 1195633878 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1195634189 M * Alteisen harrydg: thanks - i'll try with 2.6.22.13 than 1195634602 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197 1195634760 M * gebura hi 1195635248 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195635304 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195635788 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195635834 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1195637657 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195637892 M * Alteisen *compile* 1195637948 M * jazzanova hello 1195637963 M * jazzanova are there cpu/network limitation on default vserver guest ? 1195637979 J * dsoul_ darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1195638185 M * Alteisen jazzanova: default looks like "fair sharing" between all guests, so all guests & the host share their ressources among each other. 1195638205 M * Alteisen but you might setup some limits 1195638271 J * dsoul__ darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1195638304 Q * dsoul Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195638324 M * jazzanova ok 1195638333 M * jazzanova how can I change from local subnet 1195638338 M * jazzanova ip to a public ip ? 1195638339 M * harrydg jazzanova: how do you meat? 1195638340 M * harrydg mena 1195638343 M * harrydg mean dammit! 1195638355 M * jazzanova i have now 10.0.0.125 1195638383 M * jazzanova i want a public ip 1195638404 M * matthew__ hey, when the completely fair schedular arrives with process groups, are there going to be "neat tools" so that you can make the scheduling fair per guest context? 1195638406 M * harrydg there is a limit of 16 ip addresses per guest (which can be changed in kernel headers) 1195638467 Q * dsoul_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195638496 M * jazzanova where is the ip configured for thhe guest ? 1195638544 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195638671 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: around? 1195638720 Q * rorem- Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195638941 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1195639146 M * jazzanova i have one guest using public ip and one guest using private ip, how can I swap their ips ? 1195639172 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195639267 M * PowerKe jazzanova: /etc/vservers//interfaces/0/ip 1195639317 M * jazzanova just change thouse numbers ? do I need to restart the guest machines ? 1195639373 M * PowerKe if you change them there you have to restart them. You can also change them on the host using the ip tool 1195639400 M * PowerKe Not sure about the syntax though 1195639476 M * jazzanova what about the 'dev' and prefix files on the server with private ip ? the public server doesn't have them. 1195639553 M * jazzanova public ips don't need 'dev' and 'prefix', but need 'mask' ? 1195639650 M * ard6 !ls 1195639653 M * ard6 hmmz 1195639698 M * ard6 jazzanova : add the interfaces to your host 1195639716 M * ard6 and then naddress -add -context 1195639724 M * ard6 and then naddress -del -context 1195639730 M * ard6 something along those lines 1195639757 M * ard6 naddress changes the filter that the vserver code allows the guest to see 1195639799 M * ard6 Be cautious if you change the first ip, and you have setups that bind to 127.0.0.1 1195639850 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1195639855 M * ard6 dev and mask are only needed when you start a vserver: the start script will add the ip to the host, and then set the guest filter so the guest can see the ip 1195639879 M * harrydg : merak ~ 11:10#; ls -l /home/tom/test && head -n3 /home/tom/test 1195639879 M * harrydg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 909 Nov 21 11:09 /home/tom/test 1195639879 M * harrydg my $result = ""; 1195639879 M * harrydg my %procs; 1195639879 M * harrydg : merak ~ 11:10#; logout 1195639882 M * harrydg Connection to meraki closed. 1195639885 M * harrydg : 11:11 s2 ~ ;scp root@meraki:/home/tom/test . 1195639887 M * harrydg Hosts on this machine : 1195639890 M * harrydg can anyone help me? 1195639892 M * harrydg i want to copy that file... not execute... 1195639904 M * jazzanova ard6: what goes into ? vserver name ? 1195639943 M * ard6 jazzanova : vserver name or it's context id... 1195639960 A * ard6 is doing it by head btw, so you might need to naddress --help ... 1195640011 M * ard6 naddress --add --nid 4 --ip 10.41.0.173/23 1195640025 M * ard6 that's what I have put in the local wiki 1195640044 M * ard6 so mask is important somehow 1195640091 M * jazzanova ok, so what is --nid ? 1195640189 Q * dsoul__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195640273 M * zbyniu jazzanova: in vserver pids have new value - context (--ctx, --xid). In modern vservs network have also isolation layer and "network context" 1195640291 M * zbyniu and --nid is that "network context" 1195640346 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195640383 M * zbyniu in normal usage single vserver have xid == nid, but you can imagine other combination ;) 1195640439 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-205-186.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195640538 M * jazzanova so how do I find out my setup ? i have file '/etc/vservers/rearden/contxt' 1195640541 M * jazzanova rearden is the guest name 1195640548 M * jazzanova is that the context you are talking about ? 1195640588 M * zbyniu jazzanova: yes, it is xid 1195641036 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1195641065 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19 1195641085 M * bragon hello 1195641097 M * bragon i have make a copy with vserver-copy 1195641124 M * bragon and i move with rsync de /etc/vserver/vservernameconfig to the new host 1195641139 M * bragon i want to start the vserver on the new host 1195641141 M * bragon and ... : 1195641167 M * bragon http://paste.geeknode.org/2kouxc-2115 1195641197 M * bragon the vserver on the old host ever run ! 1195641210 M * bragon i only change prefix and ip for the new host 1195641220 M * bragon and ! the new host ever run an new vserver 1195641230 M * bragon so vserver work on the new host 1195641233 M * jazzanova so do you have /dev/null on vserver ? 1195641246 M * bragon i think it's the probleme 1195641259 M * bragon because strace say me "no such file " for /dev/null 1195641294 M * bragon hum 1195641343 M * bragon ok 1195641359 M * bragon vserver-copy don't make me a workable copy off my vserver i think ... :/ 1195641364 M * bragon it's lost files ! 1195641412 M * bragon hum i touch the good files in /dev 1195641423 M * bragon (and the goods rights) 1195641432 M * PowerKe Or it only copies files on the same filesystem and /dev/null is on another filesystem? 1195641447 M * bragon http://paste.geeknode.org/99tt12-2116 1195641452 M * bragon i have that now 1195641470 M * bragon PowerKe: yep 1195641538 M * PowerKe Did you create the correct device nodes, or did you create regular files in /dev ? 1195641624 M * bragon hum 1195641650 M * bragon i will copy the /dev nodes to the workable vserver to the not workable in order to test 1195641654 M * bragon wait 1195641662 M * bragon (sorry ofr my english) 1195641749 M * bragon ok 1195641753 M * bragon same probleme 1195641829 M * bragon http://paste.geeknode.org/kvg7bm-2117 1195641838 M * bragon strace vserver sam start show that 1195641853 M * bragon i never have a namespace files in /etc/vservers/sam 1195641899 M * jazzanova bragon: are you coping with tar ? 1195641921 M * bragon rsync 1195641930 M * bragon juste rsync 1195641939 M * jazzanova ok 1195641950 M * jazzanova so you get teh same error ? 1195641958 M * bragon bilbo (the hote on the running vserver) and bilbo-2.0 the new serveur, are core2duo 1195641959 M * jazzanova just create /dev/null by hand 1195641974 M * bragon jazzanova: i ever test to create /dev/null by hand 1195641978 M * bragon same issue 1195642032 M * bragon hum 1195642036 M * bragon i test a thing 1195642058 M * jazzanova don't know 1195642188 M * bragon i rsync exactly the /dev on the workable vserver to the not workable vserver 1195642191 M * bragon i try to start 1195642233 M * bragon http://paste.geeknode.org/mvik32-2118 1195642235 M * jazzanova try to tar dev 1195642235 M * bragon :/ 1195642239 M * jazzanova and untar 1195642244 M * jazzanova i don't know how rsync works 1195642249 M * zbyniu bragon: did you use option --device to rsync? 1195642274 M * zbyniu bragon: what arch it is? 1195642280 M * bragon core2duo 1195642289 M * bragon no i'm not use --device 1195642291 M * bragon i should ? 1195642305 M * zbyniu man rsync :) 1195642310 M * bragon ok i should 1195642311 M * bragon :) 1195642316 M * bragon i test with --device 1195642327 M * zbyniu arch of system, not hardware 1195642371 M * zbyniu maybe you have kernel x86 and guest system x86_64? 1195642421 M * bragon \o/ 1195642424 M * PowerKe Almost always use rsync with -a, takes care of almost everything 1195642425 A * bragon slaps himself 1195642436 M * bragon zbyniu: :) thanks 1195642441 M * zbyniu :) 1195642455 M * bragon thanks for help i need to emerge -e systeme and world and build another kernel :) 1195642487 M * bragon zbyniu: x86_64 on bilbo-1.0 and i686 for bilbo-2.0 ... 1195642494 M * bragon inatention issues 1195642495 M * bragon sorry 1195642527 M * PowerKe You don't need a kernel for you guest 1195642599 M * zbyniu PowerKe: but if he has kernel @i686 and guest binaries are @x86_64 it'll not work 1195642620 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1195642624 M * Bertl morning folks! 1195642625 M * PowerKe He should use i686 guest binaries, but no new kernel for the guest 1195642655 M * PowerKe Unless he means it the other way around, changing the host to x86_64 1195642721 M * Bertl zbyniu: Linux-VServer is isolation/virtualization at the OS level .. which means: one kernel is running all the guests 1195642762 M * zbyniu Bertl: i know, i know, it is problem kernel arch vel guest binaries arch 1195642762 M * Bertl zbyniu: there is no problem to have a 64bit kernel and run 32bit and 64bit guests side by side on that (given that IA32 is enabled) 1195642819 M * Bertl zbyniu: if you want to run 'incompatible' archs on the same system, you have to go for full virtualization like QEMU 1195642833 M * zbyniu Bertl: yes, but it is problem to have i686 kernel and run x86_64 guest 1195642847 M * Bertl zbyniu: yes, that is not possible 1195642868 M * bragon PowerKe: i need to make another kernel x86_64 for my host 1195642870 M * Bertl zbyniu: an x86 kernel cannot execute x86_64 userspace 1195642871 M * zbyniu Bertl: please read 3 screens above :) 1195642879 M * bragon because actualy it is a i686 kernel 1195642918 M * bragon no probleme, i understand why it couldn't work 1195642924 M * bragon :) 1195642931 M * Bertl okay, great! :) 1195642933 A * bragon slaps himself 1195642962 M * Bertl bragon: don't forget to enable IA32 compatibility on tha x86_64 kernel 1195642973 M * bragon Bertl why ? 1195642978 M * bragon hum 1195642979 M * Bertl bragon: otherwise you won't be able to run x86 guests on that 1195642983 M * bragon ha 1195642991 M * bragon Bertl: my guest are x86_64 1195642993 M * zbyniu Bertl: he has 64bit guest 1195642994 M * bragon :-) 1195643016 M * bragon but if y would try a 32bits guest i ill enable it 1195643019 M * Bertl yeah, but maybe he has some 32bit ones too 1195643020 M * bragon it's a good idea 1195643029 M * bragon Bertl: yep, i'll do that 1195643053 M * Bertl also note: some (proprietary) apps are 32bit (and only 32bit) 1195643184 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195643195 M * zbyniu btw, is it possible to have: x86_64 kernel, x86 host and run x86_64 guest? only theoretical question :) 1195643208 M * bragon Bertl: i never use proprietary apps :) 1195643230 M * Bertl that's the spirit! 1195643268 M * Bertl zbyniu: yes, as the kernel can select personalities based on the executable 1195643302 M * zbyniu uhm, ok nice :) 1195643321 M * Bertl but it is not really advised ... 1195643997 J * mire ~mire@51-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195644153 Q * Punkie Quit: Odcházím 1195644993 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl 1195644996 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195645135 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195645194 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195645784 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1195645800 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195646326 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net 1195646428 N * pmenier pmenier_off 1195646449 M * ard6 there is 1 but: kqemu on x86_64 needs the x86_64 qemu binary to work 1195646473 M * ard6 (vserver independent) 1195646739 M * Bertl hmm, yeah, just means that kqemu does not provide ia32 compatibility (yet) 1195646753 M * ard6 correct :-) 1195646770 M * ard6 it refuses because the version check is wrong :-) 1195646789 M * ard6 32bit version number compared to a 64bit version number 1195646797 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it 1195646803 M * ard6 so I expect everything else to fail also 1195646810 M * mrfree hi all 1195646834 M * Bertl welcome mrfree! 1195646896 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1195646905 M * mrfree I'm searching for a solution for logging... I'm thinking about using syslog-ng remote logging feature allowing guest to log on the host 1195646908 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195646926 M * mrfree can be the way to go? ;) 1195646941 M * Bertl mrfree: excellent choice, you can do that via network (local) or via sockets (similar performance, but filesystem based) 1195646960 M * Bertl mrfree: works perfectly fine (via local network) here 1195647010 M * mrfree ok... I'm using vservers since two days, but I already love it :) 1195647011 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back a little later ... 1195647017 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1195647019 M * Bertl mrfree: glad to hear that! 1195647032 M * Bertl mrfree: feel free to hang around .. and learn 1195647041 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1195647042 M * mrfree many thanks ;) 1195647580 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.CJB.Net 1195650679 Q * mire Read error: Operation timed out 1195650725 N * pmenier_off pmenier 1195651214 N * AStorm Guest1433 1195651218 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195651292 Q * mrfree Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195651599 Q * Guest1433 Remote host closed the connection 1195653830 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving 1195654495 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1195654606 M * ard6 cat: /dev/input/by-id/usb-CHICONY_HP_Basic_USB_Keyboard-event-kbd: Permission denied 1195654608 M * ard6 :-( 1195654619 M * ard6 AStorm alive? 1195654688 Q * pmenier Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195654735 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1195655268 J * cruser ~chatzilla@134.Red-80-35-219.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1195655698 M * cruser Hi. Anyone have any links to installing vserver with xen? 1195655759 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195655845 M * daniel_hozac cruser: domU or dom0? 1195656073 J * Jusic jusic@dslb-084-063-123-101.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195656266 M * cruser Thanks, that would mean Xen as guest or the host? 1195656324 M * daniel_hozac domU is a Xen guest, dom0 is a Xen host... 1195656346 M * daniel_hozac you can't run Xen in a Linux-VServer guest, but Linux-VServer works fine as a Xen guest. 1195656399 M * cruser Okay. So I would install a linux guest and then update to the vserver kernel? 1195656470 M * daniel_hozac sure. 1195656507 M * cruser Thanks. So no extra Xen vserver specific stuff is required? 1195656542 M * daniel_hozac depends on if you want fullvirt or paravirt. 1195656670 M * cruser maybe you can help... I want Xen so I can run windose and vserver for a test environment would that help me decide if I want full or part virt.? 1195656728 M * daniel_hozac you'll definitely need fullvirt to run Windows. 1195656746 M * cruser okay thanks. 1195656785 M * cruser by the way I enjoyed this interview. http://www.montanalinux.org/linux-vserver-interview.html 1195656930 M * ard6 heheh... 1195656948 A * ard6 always forget how young the developers are 1195656949 M * ard6 :-) 1195656968 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212 1195656994 P * Jusic 1195657039 Q * C14r Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195657071 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1195657194 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212 1195657751 Q * cruser Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514] 1195657935 J * mire ~mire@51-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1195658282 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1195658309 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212 1195658540 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.179.130 1195658584 J * Asmodeo ~chatzilla@151.66.128.165 1195658720 M * JonB Bertl_oO: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/9590 1195658795 M * ard6 well, that's kinda correct 1195658812 M * ard6 it's a warning that some host tried to access something 1195658823 M * ard6 which has been filtered out 1195658858 M * ard6 Can you access your UPS? 1195658867 M * JonB ard6: not inside the guest 1195658870 M * JonB ard6: and i want to 1195658872 M * ard6 ah... 1195658873 M * ard6 ok 1195658885 M * JonB ard6: i just dont know how 1195658888 M * ard6 then you must unhide /proc/bus/usb 1195658899 M * JonB ard6: how do i do that? 1195658904 M * ard6 but it will be unhidden for all your guests .... 1195658937 M * ard6 mkdir -p /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vprocunhide/ 1195658967 M * ard6 echo /proc/bus/usb >> /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vprocunhide/files 1195659008 M * ard6 then you have /proc/bus/usb available to all your guests 1195659036 M * JonB ard6: theoretically i dont like that, but only the ups monitor software uses that 1195659037 M * ard6 for a better method bertl probably knows best :-) 1195659069 M * ard6 your software should be happy with a single device node 1195659081 M * ard6 but that's not easy with usb 1195659102 M * JonB ard6: i was thinking about getting some usb2serial devices 1195659111 M * JonB then i can just make a serial device inside the guest 1195659187 P * Asmodeo 1195659239 M * ard6 It's doable, but I think you must somehow export your device from the rootserver 1195659263 M * ard6 I thought somebody did that :-) 1195659318 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1195659449 M * dowdle OpenVZ guys contributed an article to this week's LWN kernel section: PID namespaces in the 2.6.24 kernel - http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/259217/a7df9367ece278d9/ 1195659591 N * AStorm Guest1440 1195659595 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195659607 Q * Guest1440 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195659741 Q * Punkie Quit: Odcházím 1195661084 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.179.130 1195661920 Q * gebura Quit: Quitte 1195662349 Q * balbir Quit: Ex-Chat 1195662357 Q * balbir_ Quit: Ex-Chat 1195662373 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.179.130 1195662619 Q * daniel_hozac Remote host closed the connection 1195662696 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@ssh.hozac.com 1195664549 J * larsivi ~larsivi@101.84-48-201.nextgentel.com 1195664901 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1195666228 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1195666694 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195667340 M * jazzanova hi 1195667343 M * jazzanova Vserver '/etc/vservers/rearden' still running unexpectedly; please investigate it manually... 1195667343 M * jazzanova RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address 1195667349 M * jazzanova what do i do ? 1195667357 M * jazzanova i want to shut it down and start 1195667641 M * daniel_hozac is it still running? 1195667914 M * jazzanova yes 1195667921 M * jazzanova i got zombie processes 1195667927 M * jazzanova i read your irc log 1195667929 M * jazzanova from long time ago 1195667939 M * jazzanova this problem already happened 1195667939 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1195667943 M * jazzanova but i really don't want to reboot 1195667945 M * jazzanova its a live server. 1195667946 M * daniel_hozac what kernel is that? 1195667947 M * Bertl zombies are not a good sign :) 1195667966 M * jazzanova 2.6.11-vsl1.9.5 1195667984 M * Bertl ah, medival times :) 1195668016 M * daniel_hozac woah. 1195668032 M * Bertl *medieval 1195668058 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated! 1195668080 M * Bertl jazzanova: it's nice to see that it is still running, but ... 1195668100 M * jazzanova i don't know if i can safely upgrate hte kernel 1195668103 M * Bertl first that is a development kernel .. so what do you expect 1195668103 M * jazzanova i'm on hoary 1195668107 M * jazzanova not supported anymore 1195668131 M * jazzanova what do you suggest to do ? 1195668132 M * Bertl and second, we know that it has bugs (now) as we fixed them, a long time ago :) 1195668154 M * jazzanova is there a ready to go kernel I can use ? 1195668160 M * Bertl a properly compiled/configured kernel is no problem even for very old distros 1195668174 M * jazzanova ok 1195668183 M * daniel_hozac well, some parts of userspace might need to be updated too, e.g. iptables, lm_sensors... 1195668213 M * Bertl but I doubt that you will find a recent kernel for hoary (that plays nicely with your userspace) 1195668259 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: iptables compatibility was dropped between 2.6.11 and now? 1195668280 M * jazzanova i don't need ipttables 1195668314 M * jazzanova Bertl: thet snat/dnat seetup wasn't working well for me. I moved to public ip 1195668322 M * jazzanova Bertl: maybe its because of kernel. 1195668342 M * Bertl could be, is it the very same old kernel? 1195668359 M * jazzanova yes 1195668378 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: i don't remember when it was, might've been 2.4. 1195668392 M * daniel_hozac it was just an example. 1195668427 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ah, okay 1195668454 M * Bertl jazzanova: yeah, could be a mainline issue ... back then, the S/DNAT was a little picky 1195668526 M * jazzanova ok, where can I grab a kernel ready to use ? 1195668548 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195668549 M * daniel_hozac ftp.debian.org 1195668586 M * Bertl wb JonB! 1195668729 M * jazzanova daniel: would it have vserver support ? 1195668749 M * daniel_hozac yes, if you get the vserver one... 1195668959 M * JonB hey Bertl 1195668965 M * JonB Bertl: did you see my paste? 1195668975 M * jazzanova Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz <-- is this 686 architecture ? 1195669000 M * sid3windr yesh 1195669058 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1195669114 M * jazzanova http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 1195669120 M * jazzanova is this the one I need ? 1195669137 M * daniel_hozac that one might work, but i'd go for the 2.6.22 based one... 1195669147 M * jazzanova could the fact that i'm on ubuntu hoary break something ? 1195669156 M * daniel_hozac sure. 1195669288 M * jazzanova http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-686 1195669295 M * jazzanova i meant ubuntu vs. debian 1195669329 M * jazzanova http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-3-vserver-686 1195669365 M * jazzanova which one ? 1195669378 M * jazzanova lenny or etch-backports ? 1195669382 M * daniel_hozac yes :) 1195669406 M * daniel_hozac etch-backports is probably closer to what you need, but i doubt it's anywhere near close enough. 1195669440 M * jazzanova i'm not doing anything fancy on my server. i really care abotu the network card 1195669472 M * jazzanova whouldl i have problem with sysv vs. startup ? 1195669476 M * jazzanova i don't have startup 1195669486 M * daniel_hozac neither does Debian... 1195669535 Q * hparker Quit: peer reset by connection 1195669609 M * JonB Bertl: are you there? 1195669630 M * jazzanova is there a way to setup grub to only try something once ? 1195669648 M * Bertl JonB: yep, didn't see your paste 1195669655 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1195669663 M * daniel_hozac savedefault --once 1195669671 M * JonB Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/9590 1195669686 M * jazzanova cool! 1195669688 M * jazzanova :) 1195669699 M * Bertl JonB: well, it says, that »/proc/bus« is hidden ... 1195669729 M * Bertl JonB: and as you get this message, it probably tries to check something there 1195669752 M * JonB Bertl: can i unhide it for just this guest? 1195669758 M * Bertl nope 1195669767 M * JonB Bertl: okay 1195669805 M * Bertl JonB: does it fail if that is missing? 1195669821 M * AStorm hello :-) 1195669829 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1195669834 M * JonB Bertl: well, the ups driver can not scan for it 1195669834 M * Bertl JonB: or does it just check and besides that, works fine 1195669845 M * Bertl hey AStorm! wb hparker! 1195669858 M * hparker heya Bertl 1195669873 M * JonB Bertl: i have to find the device through the host and give the proper arguments, but sometimes that stops working 1195669904 M * Bertl on a disconnect, I presume 1195669930 M * Bertl you might want to add a proper entry for udev (on the host) to create guest entries 1195669950 M * Bertl you might also consider using --bind mount to fake the proc entry :) 1195669961 M * JonB Bertl: well no, it suddently did not load the driver a little later but the ups had not been disconncted 1195669995 M * JonB Bertl: what would --bind mount do? 1195670060 M * Bertl put some carefully crafted directory where you have /proc/bus now? 1195670082 M * daniel_hozac doesn't /proc/bus/usb give you raw access to the device though? 1195670094 M * Bertl haven't tried that yet, so would be interesting to see if that works 1195670103 M * JonB well, maybe. I will look at it tomorrow. For now i have time off 1195671137 J * BobR odie@IRC.13thfloor.at 1195671550 N * BobR BobR_zZ 1195671804 J * meandtheshell ~sa@85.127.102.124 1195671945 Q * jazzanova Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195672903 J * jazzanova ~boris@87.69.128.138 1195672949 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1195673346 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195674404 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-115-173.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net 1195674658 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1195674670 J * dowdle ~dowdle@71-36-198-163.blng.qwest.net 1195675281 Q * AStorm Read error: Connection reset by peer 1195675373 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195675518 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195675842 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1195676510 Q * AndrewLee Remote host closed the connection 1195676514 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1195677193 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1195678223 Q * _gh_ Remote host closed the connection 1195678467 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195678488 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-059-006-183.pools.arcor-ip.net 1195679639 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-1.kollegiegaarden.dk 1195680037 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106 1195680054 P * Yvo 1195680576 J * NetAsh ~na@87.247.101.146 1195680588 M * NetAsh hello 1195680598 M * daniel_hozac hi 1195680605 M * arachnist hi 1195680642 M * NetAsh if you remember my problem from yesterday - config_preemt=y helped a lot :D 1195680671 M * NetAsh thanks 1195680744 M * Bertl hey NetAsh! how's going? 1195680778 M * Bertl care to give me a short version? 1195680796 M * NetAsh a live :D 1195680798 M * NetAsh maried 1195680805 P * jazzanova 1195680832 M * Bertl lol, the short version referred to your issue :) 1195680865 M * NetAsh :D 1195680883 M * Wonka rogl 1195680886 M * Wonka rofl, even 1195680896 M * NetAsh debian stok kernels are configured with: 1195680939 M * NetAsh config_preemt_none=y, config_hz_250=y 1195680960 M * Bertl okay, and that causes what issues? 1195680990 M * NetAsh i tried using it on desktop with vserver guest hevily compiling 1195681010 M * NetAsh this hevily interfiered with mouse movement 1195681010 M * Bertl ah, and you got choppy behaviour 1195681017 M * NetAsh yap 1195681024 M * Bertl yeah, that is not quite unexpected then ... 1195681050 M * Bertl you might want to pump up the HZ value too and put X at higher priority 1195681063 M * NetAsh 1000 :D 1195681097 M * NetAsh big kernel something preemtive = y too 1195681113 M * NetAsh x nice = -1 1195681123 M * NetAsh works perfect 1195681148 M * NetAsh ./ 1195681151 M * NetAsh by the way 1195681164 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195681177 M * NetAsh 2.6.22.13 + vs2.2.0.5 = works :D 1195681199 M * daniel_hozac .14 is the latest ;) 1195681205 M * NetAsh crap 1195681206 M * NetAsh :D 1195681296 M * NetAsh ./ 1195681326 M * NetAsh Bertl, is old sparc still ticking ? 1195681377 M * Bertl yep, working fine 1195681463 M * NetAsh I am not shure about exact year this box was made 1195681471 M * NetAsh but if I am not mistaken 1195681536 M * NetAsh last week was 12 or 13 years since its first power-on there in lituania 1195681591 M * Bertl yeah, had to fix a few things, a cooler was loose last time, but nothing critical 1195681987 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195682125 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1195682251 M * NetAsh ./ 1195682288 M * NetAsh how badly preemtivenes influence server performance 1195682295 M * NetAsh ? 1195682361 M * Bertl you mean, how much overhead you add to a typical server task? 1195682376 M * NetAsh yap 1195682401 M * Bertl if you don't have too much 'interactive' stuff going on, the overhead is probably unnoticeable 1195682567 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1195683083 M * NetAsh daniel_hozac, as I understand you already tested 2.6.22.14 + vs2.2.0.5 ? 1195683099 M * daniel_hozac no. 1195683106 M * daniel_hozac i run 2.3 everywhere. 1195683165 M * NetAsh :D 1195683265 M * NetAsh I read 2.6.22.14 change log 1195683280 M * NetAsh mostly driver related fixes 1195683304 M * NetAsh curently happily running 2.6.22.13 1195683480 M * Alteisen since when does 2.6.22.14 exists? 1195683508 M * daniel_hozac yesterday. 1195683549 M * Alteisen 10:38 < Alteisen> *compile* 1195683569 M * Alteisen that was this morning and i did not see .14... 1195683580 M * Alteisen (german time) 1195683674 M * NetAsh same storry with me :D 1195683685 M * Alteisen linux-2.6.22.14.tar.bz2 21-Nov-2007 17:45 43M 1195683700 M * Alteisen i just was wondering if i need glasses 1195683704 M * Alteisen ;-) 1195683724 M * daniel_hozac oh you're right, today is wednesday... 1195683727 M * daniel_hozac sorry. 1195683767 M * Alteisen yes, at least 38 minutes from now 1195683809 M * Alteisen and 19 minutes until bed time from now 1195683850 M * Alteisen 23:42 is allways a good time to go to bed 1195683954 M * arachnist 23:45 is better 1195684070 M * Alteisen because of what? 1195684098 M * Bertl because of the esthetic value of monotone digits 1195684104 M * Bertl 2.3.4.5 1195684106 J * almak ~almak@willers.employees.org 1195684110 M * NetAsh :) 1195684118 M * Bertl wb almak! 1195684123 A * Alteisen slaps himself 1195684125 M * almak Hi Bertl 1195684162 M * Alteisen perhaps my sense about "esthetic" is different ;-) 1195684192 M * almak Want to get some clarification on which version of gpl is vserver released under. GPLv2 or GPLv3? 1195684212 M * Bertl the kernel is gplv2, so is the kernel part of Linux-VServer ... 1195684233 M * Bertl daniel_hozac probably knows what version the tools comply with 1195684242 M * daniel_hozac v2. 1195684302 M * almak Cool. Is there any plan to move to gplv3 (just asking not pushing in that direction) 1195684302 M * Bertl so you can use it in your proprietory drm settop box too :) 1195684339 M * Alteisen is someone using the debian util-vserver and vserver-debianutils? 1195684341 M * Bertl almak: when the kernel adopts GPLv3, the Linux-VServer part will probably do so too ... :) 1195684351 M * daniel_hozac Alteisen: i hope not. 1195684359 M * daniel_hozac Alteisen: don't use vserver-debiantools. 1195684363 M * daniel_hozac (or whatever it's called) 1195684365 M * Bertl Alteisen: better stay away from that 1195684369 M * Alteisen why? 1195684382 M * cehteh its 'alteisen' :) 1195684383 M * Bertl not working, not maintained, not useful :) 1195684400 M * Alteisen it works for me 1195684401 M * FaUl_ Alteisen: i told you so!! ;-) 1195684412 M * Alteisen ok, it works nearly 1195684416 M * Alteisen FaUl_: jaja 1195684429 M * Bertl Alteisen: well, you will get yourself into trouble sooner or later 1195684453 M * NetAsh vserver-debian tools was good example to write my own scripts - nothing more :D 1195684469 M * Bertl Alteisen: but as usual, we leave you enough rope to shoot yourself into the foot *G* 1195684513 M * Alteisen i have only the problem with debian-security in environments where direct internet access is missing 1195684556 M * Alteisen i can setup a mirror that points to my apt-proxy, but that does not work for security.debian.org 1195684608 M * NetAsh try apt-zip or something like this :D 1195684745 M * Alteisen my script uses newvserver for creating a new vserver using newvserver-vars, and another script makes "backups" or a "copy" of a vserver into another vserver with a diffrent ip address. 1195684788 M * Alteisen what is better for new vservers? copying a template vserver or debootstrapping a new one? 1195684814 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1195684816 M * daniel_hozac :) 1195684942 M * NetAsh I gues its the mater of taste 1195684965 M * NetAsh I prefear new and fresh debootstrap 1195685062 M * Alteisen my intention was to create a predefined and stripped down debian etch default for a vserver (using newvserver-vars) and build a script around that, just needing a hostname and the last ip octet (also used as context). 1195685163 M * Alteisen copying might be faster, but the more services are setup in the source vserver, the more problems might occur after copying it to a new vserver using a diffrent ip address 1195685170 M * NetAsh if you dublicating, you must know for shure all places ip and hostname are mentioned 1195685188 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1195685189 M * NetAsh exactly 1195685209 M * NetAsh fresh debootrsap is more prone to error 1195685223 A * FaUl_ has some skeleton with defined places to change things 1195685232 N * FaUl_ FaUl 1195685238 M * Alteisen i know 1195685310 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195685603 M * Alteisen i guess that none of the linux-vserver developers has created the vserver-debiantools... 1195685640 M * Alteisen and bug-reporting should be done at the debian people ;-) 1195685709 Q * yang Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195685726 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1195685802 M * Bertl Alteisen: precisely 1195685813 M * Alteisen ok 1195686275 M * Alteisen a faq about "why should i not use vserver-debiantools" might be helpful ;-) 1195686306 M * Bertl go ahead, write one :) 1195686322 M * Alteisen moo! 1195686351 M * Alteisen all i get is "you might shoot in your own feets while going on using it" 1195686353 M * NetAsh vserver-debian tools was writen for woody 1195686371 M * Alteisen wow 1195686383 M * NetAsh debootstrap proces for etch changed a lot 1195686385 M * Bertl well, first, there is nothing you can do with the debiantools which cannot be done by util-vserver 1195686409 M * Bertl second, it uses debian specific syntax, which has at least two problems: 1195686427 M * NetAsh so it does lots of unnesesary stuff 1195686435 M * Bertl 1) you can't use that syntax on other distros (while util-vserver works on all distros the same way) 1195686461 M * Bertl 2) you can't use it to specify proper interfaces (especially more than one) 1195686491 M * Bertl third, it doesn't work with recent tools, and you need/want recent tools to utilize the features of recent kernels 1195686537 M * Bertl (it's just a wrapper for util-vserver, a bad one) 1195686564 M * Bertl compare util-vserver - build --help with the 'features' of the debian tools 1195686575 M * NetAsh I would parafraze "a bad one" in to "outdated and not maintained" 1195686617 N * AStorm Guest1488 1195686622 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1195686629 Q * Guest1488 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195686671 M * Alteisen that explains it sufficiently at least to me 1195686676 M * Alteisen thanks Bertl 1195686837 M * Alteisen if you are not depending on a fast faq addition, i might try that for my own 1195686847 Q * bragon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195686945 M * NetAsh ./ 1195686979 M * NetAsh by 1195686986 Q * NetAsh Quit: Leaving 1195687077 M * Alteisen so good night for now 1195687096 M * Bertl night 1195687154 Q * michal Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1195687242 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-112-118.dclient.hispeed.ch 1195687427 J * dna ~dna@141-199-dsl.kielnet.net 1195687542 J * michal ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1195687549 J * kwowt ~kwowt@BSN-61-26-184.dial-up.dsl.siol.net 1195687550 M * kwowt hi 1195687642 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1195687760 M * Bertl wb kwowt! 1195687797 M * kwowt Hey Bertl 1195687806 M * kwowt umm.. 1195687820 M * kwowt i'm having trouble setting up memory limits 1195687859 M * kwowt i setted up rss.hard 1195687875 M * Bertl okay? 1195687881 M * kwowt to 50000 which should be 200mb 1195687896 M * kwowt but it doesnt seem to work :p the user is still using like 1500mb of memory :) 1195687906 M * Bertl how did you check that? 1195687913 M * kwowt vserver-stat ? 1195687926 M * Bertl what does /proc/virtual//limit show? 1195687931 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines) 1195687971 M * kwowt mom 1195687997 M * kwowt http://paste.linux-vserver.org/9598 1195688242 M * Bertl you have no limit set 1195688263 M * Bertl but a limit of 50000 would not have been reached either 1195688273 M * Bertl max RSS you reached yet is 1506 1195688284 M * Bertl 1508 actually 1195688297 M * kwowt RSS: 9992 10983 -1 0 1195688301 M * kwowt now :p 1195688309 M * kwowt what did i do wrong? i thought i setted up the limit 1195688322 M * Bertl -1 means unlimited 1195688353 M * Bertl the first column is your current value, the second the seen maximum, third one is the limit, and the last one how often it was hit 1195688365 M * kwowt RSS: 9992 10983 50000 0 1195688368 M * kwowt this fine now? 1195688379 M * Bertl yep, that will limit at 50k pages 1195688390 M * kwowt thats like 200mb ram right? 1195688409 M * Bertl 204800000 bytes, memory 1195688426 M * kwowt =) 1195688434 M * Bertl the maximum you reached yet was 10983 pages 1195688446 M * kwowt do i have to set the limits each time i start the root server (or, reboot)? 1195688466 M * kwowt i thought that rss.hard is ment for that.. 1195688470 M * Bertl no, you put it into the config, and it will be applied on startup 1195688492 M * Bertl if you are using debian, you might consider updating util-vserver to the backports version 1195688513 M * kwowt gentoo :) 1195688545 M * kwowt well..i guess this vlimit just kills the processes after the max is reached.. 1195688577 M * kwowt is there any way that the system would just start to work slow, instead of killing everything? 1195688677 M * Bertl yes, if you do not impose a hard limit (i.e. only soft limit) then the system will start swapping (when out of memory) 1195688697 M * Bertl of course, at some point, you will end up trashing, which might render the system unuseable 1195688713 M * kwowt my system just crashed like 2 hours ago 1195688716 M * kwowt after 15 days 1195688722 M * kwowt and i belive its cuz of memory 1195688733 M * Bertl crashed means? 1195688735 M * kwowt well 1195688738 M * kwowt stopped responding 1195688744 M * kwowt all i could do was reboot 1195688759 M * Bertl what kernel do you run on that? 1195688780 M * kwowt 2.6.17-vs2.0.2.1-gentoo 1195688799 M * Bertl maybe update that to 2.2.x preferable 2.2.0.5 or so? 1195688835 M * kwowt tomorow i'll probably set up the vservers on a better machine 1195688845 M * kwowt so i'll update anyway 1195688846 M * kwowt :) 1195688866 M * Bertl okay 1195688870 M * kwowt thanks, for now 1195688871 M * kwowt :) 1195688876 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1195688883 M * kwowt ;) 1195688892 M * kwowt shouldnt u be asleep now? :p 1195688984 M * Bertl know what, you're right .. so I'm off to bed now ... cya 1195688993 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1195689006 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1195689134 M * kwowt =)