1194998408 M * jazzanova probably the config.
1194998411 M * Bertl the data is very likely in /var/lib/vservers (for debian and ubuntu)
1194998419 M * Bertl where the default is /vservers
1194998561 M * jazzanova ok, i gotta pass some options to configue to get /var/lib/vservers and /etc/versvers instead of defaults when prefix is /usr
1194998606 M * Bertl should be relatively simple, the ./configure script will show the pathes at the end
1194998629 M * Bertl also make sure to build the tools with dietlibc, to save you some troubles lateron
1194998652 M * jazzanova i don't know where to get dietlibc.
1194998664 M * jazzanova so do I change the paths in the makefile ?
1194998680 M * Bertl no, you specify them to ./configure
1194998689 M * Bertl http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/
1194998739 M * jazzanova got it
1194998855 M * jazzanova --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var
1194998862 M * jazzanova is this correct ?
1194998884 M * Bertl check the apthes at the end of the config process, if they match your current install
1194998886 M * jazzanova does this mean it will put into /etc/vservers the config ?
1194998906 M * Bertl you can get the config for the old tools with 'vserver-info - SYSINFO' (from the old tools)
1194999206 M * jazzanova maybe i got the paths right this time.
1194999210 M * jazzanova building.
1194999226 J * camgirl29 ~camgirl29@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr
1194999321 M * Bertl wb camgirl29?
1194999337 Q * camgirl29 
1194999496 J * Infinito argos@200-140-68-125.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1194999540 M * jazzanova WARNING: --nid is not supported by this version
1194999540 M * jazzanova chbind: kernel does not provide network isolation
1194999547 M * jazzanova still getting this error.
1194999566 M * Bertl try 'which chbind'
1194999594 M * jazzanova  /usr/sbin/chbind
1194999603 M * jazzanova  /usr/sbin/vserver is now correct version
1194999605 M * Bertl and is that the newly installed one?
1194999625 M * jazzanova chbind is part of vserver utils ?
1194999633 M * Bertl yep
1194999640 M * daniel_hozac what kernel is that?
1194999644 M * daniel_hozac do you have legacy configurations?
1194999669 M * jazzanova yes, modification date is correct
1194999677 M * jazzanova no legacy configurations
1194999697 M * jazzanova 2.6.11-vsl1.9.5
1194999713 M * Bertl nice one :)
1194999716 M * jazzanova but is this enough to make it not start ?
1194999729 M * jazzanova my kernel is old ?
1194999738 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1194999748 M * Bertl ancient :)
1194999748 M * jazzanova so, is that the problem ?
1194999752 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1194999763 M * daniel_hozac recompile the utils with --enable-apis=NOLEGACY if you want to use that kernel
1194999781 M * jazzanova thanks, i will do that
1195000153 Q * Loki|muh Quit: leaving
1195000173 M * jazzanova boris@archimedes:~/util-vserver-0.30.214$ sudo vserver dollar start
1195000174 M * jazzanova WARNING: --nid is not supported by this version
1195000174 M * jazzanova save_ctxinfo: open("/opt/var/run/vservers/dollar"): No such file or directory
1195000183 M * jazzanova i don't undersdant why is it looking in opt
1195000217 M * jazzanova ok, i touched that directory
1195000221 M * jazzanova looks like it started.
1195000240 M * Bertl probably because some part of your config did specify that dir :)
1195000268 M * jazzanova how do I connect to it now ?
1195000283 M * jazzanova i forgot 
1195000284 M * Bertl what services has it running?
1195000306 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-168-145.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1195000340 M * jazzanova well, it said that it started log daemon, /etc/rc.local. thahts it
1195000346 M * jazzanova where's everything else, i don't get it.
1195000365 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1195000367 M * Bertl well, you can 'enter' the guest with 'vserver <name> enter'
1195000388 M * Bertl you should enable a few services like sshd on it, then restart the gues
1195000388 J * besonen_mobile_ ~besonen_m@71-220-228-70.eugn.qwest.net
1195000400 M * Bertl you can then then connect to it from the outside
1195000418 M * jazzanova i gotta install ssh
1195000566 M * jazzanova i can't ping google from it
1195000572 M * jazzanova something is broken with the network
1195000579 J * neuralis_ ~krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu
1195000592 M * Bertl well, probably a misconfiguration on your side
1195000595 J * faheem___ ~faheem@152.16.8.94
1195000596 J * Skram ~mark@HERCULES.sentiensystems.net
1195000601 J * ^Toad_ ~tl@tyler.cs.brown.edu
1195000604 M * Bertl first check if you can ping an ip
1195000607 M * jazzanova but these are the defaults
1195000609 M * jazzanova i can't
1195000621 M * Bertl try with the host ip
1195000621 J * tam_ ~tam@gw.nettam.com
1195000632 Q * hparker synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * ^Toad synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * MooingLemur synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * Skram_ synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * samuel synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * tam synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * besonen_mobile synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * hardwire synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * djbclark synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * neuralis synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * faheem synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * mountie synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000632 Q * brc synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195000637 M * jazzanova it resolves names but can't connect
1195000659 M * Bertl what about the host ip?
1195000687 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-3571.palmer.mtaonline.net
1195000689 M * jazzanova oh
1195000690 J * djbclark dclark@opensysadmin.com
1195000698 M * jazzanova am i supposed to create a virtual interface on the host ?
1195000712 M * Bertl no, can you ping the host ip from inside the guest?
1195000749 M * jazzanova  --interface dummy0=
1195000751 M * jazzanova .0.123/8
1195000762 M * Bertl hmm?
1195000768 M * jazzanova dummy0=eth0:10.0.0.123/8
1195000777 M * jazzanova thats the option i passed during creation time
1195000788 M * Bertl well, will create a funny alias
1195000797 M * Bertl eth0:dummy0 with that ip
1195000814 M * Bertl but that is fine
1195000816 M * jazzanova yes, i can ping host os
1195000836 M * Bertl good, so all you want to do is to SNAT the ip to your public one
1195000847 M * Bertl something like:
1195000852 M * jazzanova ah
1195000869 M * jazzanova snat on the host ?
1195000875 M * Bertl iptables  -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/8 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to <public-ip>
1195000880 M * jazzanova where do I run the command ?
1195000880 M * Bertl yes, on the host
1195000958 M * jazzanova it works
1195000960 M * jazzanova wohoo!
1195000965 M * Bertl congrats!
1195000978 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195001059 M * jazzanova ok, so to ssh to the machine, i need to create dummy0 ?
1195001099 M * Bertl no, you need to DNAT the port if you want to ssh from outside, or use the private ip to ssh from the host
1195001134 M * jazzanova so do I needd the dummy0 interface to be created anywhere ?
1195001157 M * jazzanova ok, i see i have 10.0.0.123 on my guest already
1195001161 M * Bertl no, it is an alias, no interface
1195001174 M * Bertl you could have named 'hansi' as well
1195001195 M * Bertl (or even left the <alias>= part out, in which case, it would show up as eth0 inside theguest
1195001247 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com
1195001253 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1195001259 M * jazzanova i always get confused with dnat
1195001266 M * jazzanova it seems to me its not a dumb port forward
1195001275 M * jazzanova it tries to do something funny with packets
1195001320 M * Bertl you cannot use port _forwarding_ as there is no forwarding involved
1195001339 M * Bertl but you can simply DNAT the public IP for a specific port to the guest IP
1195001342 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com
1195001619 M * jazzanova that DNAT line you gave me doesn't work with ports
1195001624 M * jazzanova i want to forward 2222 to 22
1195001632 M * jazzanova host:2222 to guest:22
1195001649 M * daniel_hozac so, add that to it?
1195001680 M * jazzanova dosen't work
1195001694 M * daniel_hozac what doesn't work?
1195001710 M * jazzanova boris@archimedes:~$ sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 69.72.214.226:2222 -j DNAT 10.0.0.123:22
1195001711 M * jazzanova Bad argument `10.0.0.123:22'
1195001733 M * zbyniu jazzanova: DNAT --to 10.0.0.123:22
1195001736 M * daniel_hozac well, that's just wrong.
1195001747 M * jazzanova sorry, 
1195001754 M * Bertl iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $LAN -d $LANIP -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to $GUEST:$PORT
1195001755 M * jazzanova lookng up syntax
1195001771 M * Bertl adjust prorts and ips
1195001994 M * jazzanova wow
1195001996 M * jazzanova perfect.. 
1195002012 M * jazzanova :)
1195002025 M * jazzanova i couldn't have done it without you , in this amount of time
1195002043 M * jazzanova thank you
1195002049 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1195002050 M * jazzanova are you guys working on vserver ?
1195002067 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Developers
1195002074 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Donations
1195002136 M * jazzanova awesome
1195002140 M * jazzanova i gotta send you some money
1195002167 M * Bertl great! TIA!
1195002194 M * mnemoc *g*
1195002198 M * jazzanova i am gonna crash.
1195002200 M * jazzanova 3am here
1195002206 M * jazzanova ttyl
1195002210 M * Bertl cya
1195002327 Q * mountie synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195002375 P * dowdle Don't want to miss the bus.
1195002573 Q * Infinito Quit: Quitte
1195002688 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com
1195002772 Q * friendly12345 Quit: Leaving.
1195002785 Q * snooze Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195002978 J * _mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com
1195003133 Q * mountie resistance.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1195004862 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-168-145.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1195007422 J * brc bruce@megarapido.cliquerapido.com.br
1195008542 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1195008548 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1195009936 J * jenny20 ~jenny20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr
1195010067 Q * jenny20 
1195010550 J * fatgoose ~samuel@206-248-128-87.dsl.teksavvy.com
1195012106 J * aurigadl ~auriga@69.79.131.153
1195012192 Q * aurigadl Quit: Saliendo
1195012838 J * snooze ~o@1-1-4-40a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se
1195013561 Q * hparker Quit: peer reset by connection
1195014111 N * _mountie mountie
1195015833 Q * fatgoose Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195022177 J * mire ~mire@39-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1195022178 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@e180199044.adsl.alicedsl.de
1195022352 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195022497 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1195022855 J * heze heze@heze.fi
1195023072 M * heze howdy, i tried to set up a NFS server on a guest running debian sarge but failed miserably, any ideas what goes wrong when it says: nfsd[12345]: unable to register (nfsd, 2, udp). is this a known problem?
1195023091 M * heze google found some stuff but it didn't really help me.
1195023120 M * heze uname -r: 2.4.27+ctx
1195023249 M * JonB which kernel are you running?
1195023253 M * JonB which util-vserver?
1195023266 M * heze i've no access to the host
1195023287 M * JonB heze: okay
1195023297 M * JonB heze: are you runnin the nfs KERNEL server
1195023301 M * heze no, user
1195023304 M * JonB or the NFS userland server
1195023306 M * JonB okay
1195023321 M * JonB i have no experience with that
1195023356 M * heze ok, i tried the kernel one first but it's missing some kernel modules, can i, umm, load them in the guest? i didn't even try that. :)
1195023365 M * heze sounds like it's going to fail.
1195023402 M * JonB no, you cant
1195023408 M * JonB did you read the FAQ?
1195023432 M * heze only looked for nfs specific :(
1195023441 M * JonB thats what i ment
1195023450 M * JonB did you try searching for the error message?
1195023469 M * heze yes, for 2 hours but didn't find a solution that would fit me
1195023477 M * heze ppl told to run userland but.. that's about it
1195023477 M * JonB do you run portmapper?`
1195023480 M * heze yes
1195023492 M * JonB what about the mailing list?
1195023497 M * JonB and our irc logs?
1195023504 M * heze google finds that, no?
1195023513 M * JonB i'm not sure
1195023520 M * heze i did read mailing list, irc not sure
1195024570 M * heze hmm, the host sees the guest's disk right? so i'll just run the nfsd on the host - if i can get access to it. :)
1195024706 M * JonB i'm not sure thats a good idea
1195024748 M * JonB and if it was my host you would get a resounding NO
1195024777 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195024799 M * heze i guess the whole project was doomed from the very beginning.
1195024806 M * JonB i dont think so
1195024849 M * jazzanova qqqjjkkkx
1195024854 M * heze i agree.
1195024866 M * JonB jazzanova: chestpain?
1195024913 M * heze maybe they could live with twice a minute rsync..
1195024923 M * heze tho that will generate some load.
1195024950 M * JonB besides, user space nfs daemon is not that good
1195024954 M * JonB it's only nfs v2
1195024990 M * heze and what happens when a log file is tailed on this second server over nfs mount? how fast does it update, or does it work at all.
1195025041 M * heze guess i need to go to a soft room for two weeks with nfs docs.
1195025082 M * JonB what is it you are trying to do?
1195025105 M * heze to get ppl that have access to the second server to be able to tail a few log files realtime(ish).
1195025142 M * heze hmm, netcat?
1195025144 M * heze :P
1195025149 M * JonB netcat works
1195025158 M * JonB but what about syslog-ng?
1195025184 M * heze does it read flat files?
1195025212 M * JonB i dont know
1195025219 M * JonB why does it run on a second server?
1195025229 M * JonB is the 2.second server also a vserver guest?
1195025240 M * heze nope
1195025296 M * heze can't let ppl on the second server access this one.
1195025312 M * JonB why do they need access to the log?
1195025330 M * heze they got HTTP access and they need to see what happens when their browser goes nuts
1195025352 M * heze it's all a big circus, can't help it much.
1195025373 M * JonB why not give them a vserver guest each ?
1195025448 M * heze it's kinda semi-production and they don't want to let developers there.
1195025454 M * JonB anyway, i gotta get a shower and get going
1195025462 M * heze k, big thanks!
1195025468 M * heze helped muchos.
1195025468 M * JonB then give the developers a vserver to play with
1195025475 M * JonB i did that with our setup
1195025483 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1195025866 Q * derjohn_mobil Remote host closed the connection
1195025878 Q * eyck Quit: leaving
1195025934 Q * mire Quit: Leaving
1195026193 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1195026650 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195026856 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A33B77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1195026928 P * heze 
1195026930 N * AStorm Guest639
1195026935 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195026977 Q * Guest639 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195027009 J * larsivi ~larsivi@101.84-48-201.nextgentel.com
1195027290 M * sharkjaw is it posible to get ip from a dhcp server for a guestOS in vserver?
1195027315 J * dna ~dna@147-194-dsl.kielnet.net
1195027355 M * JonB sharkjaw: well, yes. You can have your host use dhcp to ask for an ip address and then you can start the guest with that ip address
1195027365 M * JonB sharkjaw: i'm not promissing it will be easy
1195027488 M * sharkjaw JonB: OK, it is POSSIBLE, but NOT stright forward ... Thanks
1195027524 M * JonB sharkjaw: you can code anything except for AI (American Intelligence ;-)
1195027530 M * sharkjaw I was just wondering ..
1195027539 M * JonB okay
1195028946 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1195028950 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195028971 Q * phrost Server closed connection
1195028972 J * phrost phrost@apollo.vtdn.net
1195029541 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212
1195029636 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1195031132 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195032418 J * gebura ~gebura@77.192.186.197
1195032422 M * gebura hi
1195032446 M * JonB hi
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1195034731 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-102-211.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
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1195035604 J * AStorm ~astralsto@sud.globenet.org
1195036891 M * matthew_ hmm. I definately have a problem with hashify logrotate and syslog-ng
1195036944 M * matthew_ Though I'm not quite sure how. I can't really believe that the logs were being hashified
1195036985 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1195036994 M * matthew_ but nevertheless, after logrotate runs, it has issues restarting syslog-ng and lighttpd to the extent where they both fail to log anything from there on
1195037008 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1195037021 M * Bertl morning folks!
1195037042 M * matthew_ morning Bertl
1195037053 M * Bertl matthew_: first, what kernel/patches? :)
1195037153 M * matthew_ well, that's a good question. 2.6.22-3-vserver-amd64, debian sid. As to what version of the patches, I don't know how to find that out. COWBL is on.
1195037197 M * Bertl well, with a distro kernel, you probably have to talk to the distro folks, but I would first check if it is CoW related at all
1195037225 M * matthew_ ok - what run hashify and see if the link counts for the logs are /= 1 ?
1195037226 M * Bertl options for that are IMHO: make sure that a 'test' guest is not unified at all
1195037253 M * Bertl try a mainline kernel and patch and see if whatever happens, happens too
1195037293 M * matthew_ yep. This is a production server though. And it's been some years since I last slogged through making a kernel - I'm a bit rusty and don't want to break the box ;)
1195037310 M * Bertl okay, so the issue is new then?
1195037329 M * matthew_ well, only last weekend did I sort out getting hashify to work
1195037338 M * matthew_ and only since then has this issue reared its head
1195037366 M * Bertl okay, you have a test guest?
1195037383 M * Bertl which _shows_ that behaviour in a reproduceable way?
1195037412 M * matthew_ yes
1195037432 M * Bertl good, and you trigger it by calling logrotate?
1195037470 M * matthew_ so two days ago I hashified it and when logrotate ran on cron at 6am, stuff went wrong. I sorted it out, rehashified it and the following morning, same story. Yesterday I sorted it out, did not hashify it, and this morning, no problems.
1195037484 M * matthew_ so I suspect, yes!
1195037539 M * Bertl okay, and the problem seems to be that a signal is not sent?
1195037547 M * matthew_ it seems like stuck file descriptors
1195037574 M * Bertl which means?
1195037582 M * matthew_ unknown. hang on, let me find the config files
1195037632 M * matthew_ so, logrotate, after rotating /var/log/syslog, is meant to do /etc/init.d/syslog-ng reload
1195037655 M * matthew_ but, when hashified, something goes wrong, and syslog-ng doesn't log anything to the new file
1195037670 M * matthew_ until I turn up later in the morning and restart syslog-ng myself, and then it's fine
1195037685 M * matthew_ almost sounds like a race condition#
1195037699 M * Bertl well, it seems a little unlikely to me that /var/log/syslog gets hashified
1195037704 M * matthew_ me too!
1195037711 M * matthew_ let me see if I can force this to happen in front of me
1195037712 M * Bertl unless at least two guests log exactly the same :)
1195037729 M * matthew_ it's possible they do
1195037761 M * matthew_ I have 6 test guests, sid64, sid32, etch64, etch32, lenny64, lenny32 - nothing runs on them, but they're always up.
1195037793 M * Bertl okay, let's artificially adjust the odds here, i.e. make a copy of the logfile somewhere
1195037801 M * Bertl (on another guest, that is)
1195037810 N * fosco_ fosco
1195037820 M * matthew_ hang on, no it can't be. syslog gets mail logs too and they certainly differ.
1195037996 M * matthew_ drat, that didn't work
1195038015 M * matthew_ I rehashified the above six and then logrotated one of them, and it worked fine.
1195038048 M * matthew_ maybe it's down to them all logrotating at the same time - 6am - and it's dual core so there could be a race condition somewhere
1195038069 M * matthew_ not sure what to do
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1195038111 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net
1195038111 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1195038260 M * matthew_ I think I'll rehashify them all and then see if the same thing happens tomorrow morning
1195038369 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1195038532 M * Bertl and the unification is the only thing you changed?
1195038588 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85.127.102.21
1195038638 M * matthew_ correct
1195038682 M * Bertl no update or similar on host or guests?
1195038744 M * matthew_ oh, daily
1195038752 M * matthew_ but that's never produced anything like this
1195038770 M * matthew_ besides, it happens on guests that are running debian etch and there haven't been updates for that for some time
1195038949 M * matthew_ it's pretty unlikely that sid, lenny and etch all have the same versions of logrotate and/or syslog-ng in them - if it's update related it can only be due to the host, not the guests
1195038979 M * Bertl and all guest exposed the very same issues?
1195038998 M * Bertl (i.e. sid, lenny and etch)
1195039009 M * matthew_ indeed
1195039139 M * Bertl very strange .. well, as I said, I would suggest to go fo a mainstream kernel (the latest one, preferable) and see if it happens again
1195039144 J * arachnist arachnist@088156184167.who.vectranet.pl
1195039156 M * matthew_ okay
1195039166 M * matthew_ I'll see what I can do
1195039202 M * Bertl okay, please keep us posted
1195039214 M * matthew_ will do. thanks for your input
1195039221 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1195039259 J * DavidS ~david@85-127-206-212.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at
1195039614 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1195039834 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-115-173.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net
1195039897 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no
1195040200 M * matthew_ after hashification are the "correct" link counts displayed in the guests, or are they hidden?
1195040334 M * Bertl correct counts are shown
1195040359 M * matthew_ is that not a form of information leakage?
1195040390 M * matthew_ eg, if a client happens to notice that their /etc/shadow has a link count > 1 then they may decide to brute force it
1195040400 M * Bertl well, there are plans to make that hideable, but IMHO it's not bad to expose this information
1195040425 M * Bertl after all, unified files are not accounted for the guest disk space
1195040454 M * Bertl and you can always except files/dirs from unification
1195040491 M * matthew_ true
1195040514 M * matthew_ why would two files that are both empty not be unified?
1195040531 M * Bertl because there is no point in unifying empty files :)
1195040538 M * Bertl i.e. they share no data :)
1195040545 M * matthew_ that there's a good point :)
1195040785 J * karmek ~dennis@dslb-088-077-188-117.pools.arcor-ip.net
1195040790 M * karmek hi
1195040798 M * Bertl welcome karmek!
1195040866 M * DavidS hi bertl! you really missed out yesterday ...
1195040883 M * Bertl yeah, sorry, had too much work to do ...
1195040911 M * karmek i'm looking for some help. I want to limit a guest to 30% CPU but i can't find enough information. Do you know any "howtos" ?
1195040994 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/CPU_Scheduler
1195041079 M * karmek thanks but i allready found this article. It's a nice discription but nevertheless i have no clue where to set those values :/
1195041083 P * friendly12345 
1195041190 M * Bertl karmek: how so?
1195041215 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Documentation
1195041223 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1195041332 M * karmek well i read about the differences between threads, processes and programs and later theres a nice discription about different kinds of limitation but no hint which configuration i need to set
1195041347 M * karmek i'll have a look at those links, thanks
1195041426 M * Bertl should be fairly straight forward ... if you encounter issues, please let us know
1195041463 M * karmek i'll have a try. 
1195041499 M * karmek Is it correct that the rlimit for cpu has nothing to do with the mentioned hard limit in the "CPU Scheduler" article ?
1195041543 M * Bertl yes
1195041565 M * Bertl the rlimit, when supported, would limit a guest to a certain number of seconds
1195041569 M * karmek okay then i first need to understand the scheduler ;)
1195041577 M * Bertl (which is not likely what you want nowadays)
1195041585 M * karmek right
1195041616 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back a little later ...
1195041621 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1195041635 M * karmek thanks, bye
1195042033 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1195042310 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1195042495 M * karmek okay i have created a directory called "sched" and then i created files called "fill-rate" "interval" and "tokens". fill-rate countains a 3, interval a 10 and tokens 5. Is this allready enough to get it work?
1195042634 J * Usiu ~Mashuu@72.81.datacomsa.pl
1195042637 M * Usiu Hi
1195042645 M * Usiu Is Xen or Vserver more secure ?
1195042671 M * DavidS Mu
1195042690 M * karmek Hi Usiu. I am new myself, sorry i can't help you with this question =)
1195042755 M * AStorm Usiu: indeed, wu
1195042767 M * Usiu what wu ?
1195042778 M * Usiu what's wu
1195042779 M * AStorm Usiu: wikipedia, use it
1195042790 M * DavidS Usiu: Xen and VServer are both secure when used consciously, understanding their intended context
1195042814 M * DavidS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29
1195045203 Q * Usiu Quit: Ex-Chat
1195045395 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp1-55.ethz.ch
1195045662 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1195045713 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195046786 J * oddworker ~mario@mail2.reha-schotten.de
1195046925 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1195046929 M * Bertl welcome oddworker!
1195046978 M * oddworker thanks Bertl 
1195047003 M * karmek hmm it seems as it won't work :/
1195047017 M * Bertl karmek: what's the problem?
1195047046 M * karmek i created the directory "sched" and files calles fill-rate interval and tokens
1195047058 M * Bertl okay
1195047059 M * karmek fill-rate is 3, interval is 10 and tokens is 5
1195047073 M * Bertl tokens doesn't really matter
1195047090 M * karmek i restarted the vserver and did some load on the guest. vtop shows 98% for this process
1195047100 M * Bertl did you enable the hard cpu scheduler?
1195047111 M * karmek where?
1195047124 M * karmek i thought it should allready be enabled
1195047124 M * Bertl well, first in the kernel config, and then for the guest
1195047127 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags
1195047138 M * Bertl SCHED_HARD
1195047155 M * karmek it's the default debian vserver kernel i think its enabled there
1195047167 M * Bertl no idea, config.h will know
1195047198 M * karmek what do i need to add to enable SCHED_HARD?
1195047204 M * karmek in my vserver config i mean
1195047234 M * Bertl /etc/vservers/<vserver-name>/flags
1195047252 M * Bertl you add it there like:
1195047261 M * Bertl echo SCHED_HARD >>/etc/vservers/<vserver-name>/flags
1195047277 M * Bertl and restart the guest, or alternatively set the flag at runtime
1195047277 M * karmek so flags is simply a file and not like sched a directory
1195047301 M * Bertl #  flags
1195047301 M * Bertl Contains per line a flag. See lib/cflags-v13.c for possible values.
1195047311 M * Bertl (from http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html)
1195047314 M * karmek thank you
1195047319 M * Bertl np
1195047379 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195047398 M * karmek great seems as if i just needed to enable this flag
1195047398 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.nonfood.de
1195047401 M * TheSeer heya :)
1195047407 M * karmek works fine now
1195047407 M * Bertl hey TheSeer!
1195047414 M * Bertl karmek: good!
1195047425 M * karmek thanks alot Bertl
1195047462 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1195047502 J * yarihm ~yarihm@129.132.208.153
1195047519 M * TheSeer ouhm.. i believe i asked it again but i forgot how to do it ;)
1195047525 M * TheSeer is there a way to rename a vserver?
1195047536 M * TheSeer or just stop it, change the folder names and be done?
1195047549 M * Bertl what do you actually _want_ to rename?
1195047564 M * TheSeer the name used in `vserver $name_here ....`
1195047589 M * TheSeer for i need to make it more distinguishable ,)
1195047600 M * Bertl okay, then simply renaming the /etc/vservers/<name> directory should do it
1195047604 M * TheSeer it is no called "build" for it's an rpm building vserver
1195047620 M * TheSeer and it needs to become build_f7  ...
1195047631 M * TheSeer what about the /vservers/<name>?
1195047641 M * Bertl will remain the same
1195047644 M * TheSeer ah okay
1195047662 M * TheSeer if i'd wanted to rename that along?
1195047665 M * Bertl alternatively you could change/set the /etc/vservers/<guest>/name tag
1195047730 M * Bertl I think the HEAD branch might have a rename function for vserver too
1195047758 M * Bertl otherwise you have to make sure that the symlinks are correct
1195047764 M * TheSeer k..
1195047816 M * karmek any idea why my load average says: load average: 0.91, 0.89, 0.98 and i see now load in vtop ?
1195047858 M * Bertl why not?
1195047885 M * karmek well there are no processes that use cpu power and my load average is near 1
1195047920 M * Bertl load is not really related to processes using the cpu
1195047938 M * karmek hmm
1195047939 M * Bertl load is how many process are _able_ to use the cpu (or simply run)
1195047941 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1195047978 M * Bertl karmek: if you have 5 running processes (cpu hogs) on a single CPU
1195047997 M * Bertl karmek: how many processes are using cpu at any time?
1195047998 M * derjohn karmek, with "top" on 2.6 kernels you'll find a little info about how the cpu times is "used up", wa = waiting (for disk IO), etc.
1195048075 M * derjohn and <=1 means something like <= 100% -> so the cpu is "not fully used up"
1195048115 M * karmek do you mean this bertl? Tasks: 122 total,   1 running, 121 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
1195048134 M * derjohn karmek, and: with "ps faxu" you'll see processes in [] - those are kernel threads, which can make the cpu burn without being accounted in in "userspace processes"
1195048156 M * TheSeer rpm-fake-resolver: vc_ctx_migrate(): No such process
1195048164 M * TheSeer ouhm... what did i break this time? ;)
1195048167 M * karmek hmm
1195048174 M * Bertl karmek: well, not exactly, most of those tasks will not want to run
1195048193 M * Bertl TheSeer: you are trying to reach a context which doesn't exist
1195048200 M * TheSeer ouhm..
1195048207 M * TheSeer i'm trying to BUILD a vserver
1195048215 M * Bertl with what tools?
1195048228 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1195048233 M * TheSeer vserver centos5build build -m yum --context 1103 --hostname=centos5.caska.netpirates.net --interface build0=dummy0:10.1.0.3/24 -- -d centos5
1195048260 M * Bertl 1103 is unused?
1195048285 M * karmek hmm okay i know that there are hidden processes (kernel threads) in my top, but i still don't get the point why load can be so high while my vserver is limited to 30%. There is nothing else on this system
1195048302 M * Bertl karmek: let's get back to my question
1195048316 M * Bertl karmek: 5 processes, each willing to consume 100% cpu
1195048332 M * Bertl karmek: how many processes are running at the same time on a single CPU
1195048339 M * karmek just one 
1195048347 M * Bertl karmek: exactly, what will the load be?
1195048367 M * karmek should be 1
1195048373 M * Bertl nope, it will be 5
1195048380 M * karmek oh
1195048389 Q * matthew_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195048393 M * Bertl the point is, there are 5 process _willing_ to run (i.e. in a runable state)
1195048400 M * karmek okay
1195048406 M * Bertl in your guest, if you have a cpuhog running
1195048418 M * Bertl the load will be 1, regardless of the cpu limits
1195048444 M * Bertl you can make the test on the host system with 5 hogs
1195048446 M * karmek sorry, what is meant with cpuhog?
1195048461 M * Bertl something using up (burning) cpu cycles
1195048469 M * DavidS karmek: while(1) {} ;
1195048470 M * karmek okay
1195048492 M * daniel_hozac TheSeer: what kernel? is it reproducible?
1195048552 M * karmek so the load shows me how much could be needed at this time
1195048559 M * Bertl yep
1195048570 M * Bertl but only as a rough average 
1195048602 M * Bertl also note that the load is really a sum over all tasks
1195048610 M * karmek and if i get a 100% hog in my guest, there will be a load of 1 on my system but i still have (with my settings) 70% free CPU power?
1195048622 M * Bertl precisely
1195048639 M * karmek hmm okay guess i got it =)
1195048640 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/cpuhog.c
1195048647 M * Bertl (if you want to do some testing)
1195048655 M * karmek thanks
1195048660 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1195048745 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195048901 M * karmek but my load is a global value? Or does each guest have its own load values?
1195048932 J * lola22 ~lola22@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr
1195048952 M * Bertl yes, the guests can have virtualized load (VIRT_LOAD flag)
1195048957 M * Bertl welcome lola22!
1195049065 Q * micah Server closed connection
1195049067 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1195049071 Q * lola22 
1195049407 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1195049591 M * TheSeer Bertl: sorry.. phonecall..    yes 1103 is unsed
1195049607 M * TheSeer daniel_hozac:  uname -a
1195049607 M * TheSeer Linux chase.netpirates.net 2.6.22.6-vs2.3.0.24.1 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 08:49:21 EDT 2007 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1195049649 M * Bertl could you upload the output of `vserver-info - SYSINFO' to a pastebin?
1195049656 J * PowerKe ~tom@d54C13E4B.access.telenet.be
1195049661 M * Bertl wb PowerKe!
1195049719 M * TheSeer http://phpfi.com/276164
1195049769 M * Bertl is the issue reproduceable?
1195049783 M * sid3windr little power 
1195049790 M * TheSeer yes
1195049817 M * Bertl okay, could you try with a recent devel kernel?
1195049818 M * TheSeer i cannot even delete the folder the process creates before it dies
1195049832 M * TheSeer if there's an rpm for it? ;)
1195049845 M * Bertl you got an rpm for 2.6.22.6-vs2.3.0.24.1?
1195049868 M * TheSeer [root@chase /]# rpm -qa |grep kernel
1195049869 M * TheSeer kernel-2.6.22.6-vs2.3.0.24.1
1195049882 M * Bertl what distro provides that?
1195049892 M * TheSeer Version     : 2.6.22.6                          Vendor: Daniel Hokka Zakrisson
1195049892 M * TheSeer Release     : vs2.3.0.24.1                  Build Date: Sun 23 Sep 2007 03:43:56 PM CEST
1195049947 M * sid3windr =)
1195049985 M * TheSeer let's see what a yum update gives us
1195050030 M * Bertl centos 5?
1195050094 M * TheSeer yep
1195050100 M * Bertl http://rpm.hozac.com/dhozac/centos/5/vserver/x86_64/kernel-2.6.22.10-vs2.3.0.29.1.x86_64.rpm
1195050149 M * TheSeer  kernel                  x86_64     2.6.22.10-vs2.3.0.29.1  dhozac-vserver     16 M
1195050155 M * TheSeer yeah.. that what's yum suggesting too
1195050168 M * Bertl so there you go :)
1195050169 M * TheSeer gonna update it along with some other stuff yum just offered and come back after a reboot
1195050192 M * TheSeer util-vserver            x86_64     0.30.214-1.1.el5.centos  dhozac-vserver    226 k
1195050196 M * TheSeer new version there too
1195050202 M * TheSeer so maybe that's an old issue ;)
1195050203 M * Bertl won't hurt :)
1195050218 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1195050253 Q * daniel_hozac Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1195051060 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1195051065 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1195051143 Q * kir 
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1195051730 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1195051772 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@ssh.hozac.com
1195052043 Q * kir Quit: Leaving
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1195052184 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1195052279 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1195052832 M * TheSeer are there f8 distribution configs already?
1195052865 M * TheSeer as in fedora 8
1195052916 Q * oddworker Quit: Verlassend
1195052920 M * Bertl define 'distribution configs'?
1195053004 M * TheSeer vserver .. build .... -d f8
1195053337 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195053355 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195053362 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-210-251.pools.arcor-ip.net
1195053991 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195054162 M * faheem___ The man page for vserver does not include delete.
1195054267 Q * ema Read error: Connection reset by peer
1195054274 M * faheem___ Sorry, out of date version.
1195054276 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1195054392 N * mountie ba
1195054396 N * ba mountie
1195054539 Q * Punkie Quit: Odcházím
1195054947 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1195054967 J * tuxbubling ~omauras@62.80.120.214
1195054969 M * tuxbubling hello
1195054996 M * JonB hi
1195055014 N * AStorm Guest656
1195055018 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195055054 Q * Guest656 Remote host closed the connection
1195055304 M * tuxbubling how is the network managed on vserver guests?
1195055316 M * tuxbubling do i have to setup a bridge or tun device?
1195055322 M * Bertl not at all, it happens on the host
1195055339 M * Bertl the guest is using ip-isolation to work
1195055367 M * Bertl i.e. you assign a bunch of ip addresses to each guest, and the guest can use it for services and such
1195055389 M * tuxbubling mmh
1195055403 M * tuxbubling is it able to ping outside network out of the box?
1195055422 M * Bertl if the IP you assign to the guest can do that, then yes :)
1195055437 M * tuxbubling mmmh
1195055445 M * tuxbubling how does that work?
1195055454 M * tuxbubling it's using the main device on host?
1195055460 M * Bertl yes
1195055473 M * Bertl as I said, networking happens _on the host_
1195055486 M * Bertl the guest is restricted to an IP subset
1195055526 M * tuxbubling ok but what if i want to make a guest using a particular interface as for it's network?
1195055532 M * tuxbubling is that possible or not?
1195055560 M * Bertl the very same you can make the host use a particular interface for specific networking, routing tables
1195055601 M * tuxbubling mmmh ok
1195055614 M * tuxbubling gonna try this then :)
1195055641 M * Bertl okay, if you encounter issues, let us know ...
1195055724 M * tuxbubling yeah for sure ;)
1195055783 M * tuxbubling what about the host performance?
1195055796 M * Bertl what about it?
1195055814 M * tuxbubling mmh overhead on host
1195055825 M * tuxbubling as multimedia and games apps?
1195055827 J * matthew_ ~matthew@81.168.74.31
1195055830 M * Bertl no measureable overhead on host or guest
1195055842 M * Bertl if you find some, please report, we consider that a bug :)
1195055879 M * tuxbubling ok so there's no known limitation for multimedia/game content on running a vserver kernel
1195055885 M * tuxbubling ok sounds good
1195055898 M * Bertl not that we know of, as I said, let us know if you find some
1195055909 M * tuxbubling oki doki
1195056247 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195056473 M * tuxbubling can i load the guest system from an image?
1195056585 Q * dowdle Quit: Konversation terminated!
1195056680 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1195056710 M * JonB http://bash.org/?820585
1195056951 Q * gebura Quit: Quitte
1195058088 J * hallyn_ ~xa@adsl-75-2-73-195.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
1195058152 Q * hallyn Read error: Connection reset by peer
1195058213 M * tuxbubling Bertl: another Q, what's the main design difference between vserver and openVZ ?
1195058348 M * Bertl tuxbubling: Linux-VServer (as the project is named) focuses on light-weight isolation and resource sharing (higher densities, lower overhead), while OVZ aims for complete virtualization (like Xen)
1195058465 M * tuxbubling mmmh that's not what i read from their site
1195058496 M * Bertl well, you are reading a site related to a company selling a commercial product ....
1195058513 M * tuxbubling and i alway read everywhere that both vserver and openVZ were different from xen by doing only isolation
1195058521 M * Bertl tuxbubling: vista(tm) is great too for virtualization :)
1195058529 M * tuxbubling wtf?
1195058541 M * Bertl according to M$ :)
1195058703 M * tuxbubling btw pretty strange i never heard openvz doing paravirt as xen
1195058715 M * Bertl never said it was doing that
1195058730 M * Bertl all I said was, that OVZ aims for complete virtualization (like Xen)
1195058759 M * tuxbubling oh
1195058765 M * tuxbubling pretty close
1195058941 J * lulz ~haha@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195058948 M * Bertl welcome lulz!
1195058949 M * lulz wow weasel
1195058951 M * lulz SERVER admin
1195058952 M * lulz hahah
1195058956 M * lulz u going far now
1195058960 M * lulz how-about
1195058968 M * lulz instead of abusing teh lil power that u have
1195058974 M * lulz u buy more bandwidthz?
1195058975 M * lulz lol
1195058984 M * lulz because this server is srsly laggy
1195058991 M * lulz suks man
1195058994 M * lulz badly
1195058994 M * DavidS lulz: -ECHAN
1195059009 F * ChanServ +o Bertl
1195059016 M * lulz DavidS well sir I send u teh e-<3
1195059019 M * lulz ;D
1195059026 M * lulz do it Betl!
1195059029 M * lulz DO IT!
1195059030 K lulz Bertl lulz
1195059033 J * lulz ~haha@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195059037 F * Bertl +b *!*haha@*.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195059039 K lulz Bertl lulz
1195059051 M * sid3windr may I suggest a permban on *!*@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195059070 M * sid3windr and may I suggest weasel a permanent g-line on tor instead of a hostchange
1195059076 M * weasel you may suggest
1195059082 M * weasel but that'll be it
1195059090 M * DavidS nah, stupid people are fun ...
1195059096 M * JonB if we perm ban *!*@* then we have NO problems at all
1195059145 M * sid3windr DavidS: the question is, will your ISP like 4 jibbibits of packets going down your dsl tube
1195059185 Q * _cob Remote host closed the connection
1195059255 M * DavidS the blessings of unlimited net access 
1195059298 M * sid3windr you really think that's the case? :)
1195059314 M * sid3windr anyway, gotta run
1195059405 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1195059417 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1195059470 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
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1195059834 N * ensc Guest665
1195059843 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4CCB8.dip.t-dialin.net
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1195060247 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1195060486 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1195060755 J * WorkRoey ~katz@dsl093-083-226.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1195060756 M * WorkRoey hey guy
1195060757 M * WorkRoey guys
1195060767 M * WorkRoey Question about apparmor vs vserver
1195060783 M * WorkRoey what does vserver provide that apparmor does not
1195060790 M * WorkRoey memory partitioning?
1195060796 M * WorkRoey *process memory space partitioning?
1195060801 M * JonB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor
1195060826 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195060855 M * WorkRoey yes, I've read that.
1195060872 M * JonB WorkRoey: i gave that to others who might not know what apparmor was
1195060888 M * JonB WorkRoey: have you read what vserver is ?
1195060932 M * Bertl WorkRoey: resource management, network isolation, filesystem isolation, CoW link breaking, partial virtualization ...
1195060940 F * Bertl -o Bertl
1195060951 P * tuxbubling 
1195060971 M * WorkRoey JonB:  well of course, don't forget, I set up vserver here at work last year ;)
1195060979 M * JonB WorkRoey: okay
1195060985 M * WorkRoey I've been annoying you guys about vserver+openvpn ever since ;)
1195060988 M * WorkRoey is net-ng done yet?
1195060997 M * WorkRoey Bertl:  aaaah
1195061002 M * WorkRoey Bertl:  hey, saw your interview!! :)
1195061003 M * WorkRoey nice
1195061003 M * JonB WorkRoey: is there something wrong with vserver + openvpn?
1195061015 M * WorkRoey JonB:  sure, openvpn needs to be able to change the routing table
1195061026 M * WorkRoey JonB:  ask Bertl
1195061028 N * WorkRoey Roey
1195061069 M * JonB Roey: okay, i was planning to move a openvpn server to my vserver, but i guess i can let it run for now
1195061098 M * Roey JonB:  yeah that seems like a great idea :) I was gonna do that but I couldn't at the time
1195061113 M * Bertl Roey, JonB: openvpn works fine in a guest, if you precreate the tun interface 
1195061116 M * Roey JonB:  so currently it's just used to host smtp, dns and web guests.
1195061128 M * JonB Roey: okay
1195061132 M * Bertl the only thing you cannot do is dynamic routing updates
1195061135 M * JonB Bertl: i think i can do that
1195061136 M * Roey Bertl:  see, but you have to precreate the interface--and I didn't even know about that at the time
1195061151 M * JonB Bertl: i dont think i need dynamic routing
1195061191 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later (translocating)
1195061199 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1195061231 M * Roey ciao
1195063085 M * Loki|muh vserver unification works only if the files could be hardlinked?
1195063299 M * daniel_hozac yes.
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1195063595 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
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1195066300 M * Supaplex man oh man oh man. smbpasswd no fun
1195066543 J * larsivi ~larsivi@101.84-48-201.nextgentel.com
1195066851 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1195066855 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106
1195066962 P * Yvo 
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1195067742 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-2-73-195.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
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1195068759 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1195069590 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195070211 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1195070466 J * Infinito argos@200-140-68-125.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1195070473 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-115-173.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net
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1195072899 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
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1195073080 J * naturegirl ~naturegir@mnch-4db01ebb.pool.einsundeins.de
1195073242 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@ssh.hozac.com
1195074071 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego.
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1195074744 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
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1195075892 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk
1195076120 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-112-118.dclient.hispeed.ch
1195076153 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1195076159 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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1195080283 P * marcfiu 
1195080918 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated!
1195081563 N * ensc Guest701
1195081573 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4CCB8.dip.t-dialin.net
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1195082217 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
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1195083809 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-168-145.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1195084663 Q * Infinito Quit: Quitte