1194913972 Q * mire_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194914152 N * AStorm Guest454 1194914155 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194914463 Q * Guest454 Remote host closed the connection 1194915180 Q * friendly12345 Remote host closed the connection 1194915252 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone! 1194915259 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1194915405 J * dowdle_ ~dowdle@71-36-198-163.blng.qwest.net 1194915482 Q * dowdle Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194916041 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-168-145.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net 1194916548 Q * hparker Quit: peer reset by connection 1194916824 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1194916856 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194917817 J * m_stone_ ~mstone@teach.laptop.org 1194917826 J * Skram_ ~mark@HERCULES.sentiensystems.net 1194917854 Q * Skram resistance.oftc.net osmotic.oftc.net 1194917854 Q * AndrewLee resistance.oftc.net osmotic.oftc.net 1194917854 Q * MooingLemur resistance.oftc.net osmotic.oftc.net 1194917854 Q * m_stone resistance.oftc.net osmotic.oftc.net 1194917856 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1194918479 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com 1194918966 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-2-68-242.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net 1194921741 Q * eyck Remote host closed the connection 1194921754 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl 1194931691 J * lola22 ~lola22@ANantes-257-1-109-241.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr 1194931807 Q * lola22 1194934649 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk 1194936093 Q * dowdle_ Remote host closed the connection 1194937060 Q * quasisane Read error: Connection reset by peer 1194937342 Q * arachnist Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194938582 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1194938916 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34 1194938929 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-216-75.cust.tele2.fr 1194938978 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1194939028 Q * balbir Remote host closed the connection 1194939153 J * dna ~dna@123-234-dsl.kielnet.net 1194939917 M * jmcaricand Hi. I have a little problem. I can't start my sshd deamon. No log, no error ! I've tried strace /usr/sbin/sshd but I don't see problems. Any idea ? 1194940129 M * DavidS so if there are no problems, what tells you it didn't start? 1194940239 M * jmcaricand DavidS: because sshd don't start 1194940434 M * DavidS can you paste an strace to a pastebin? 1194940589 M * jmcaricand DavidS: http://pastebin.com/d623b34 1194940680 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1194940730 M * DavidS try again with -f to also trace the childprocess 1194941184 M * jmcaricand http://pastebin.com/d3c085c1b 1194941320 M * DavidS what does it log there: send(3, "<34>Nov 13 09:04:12 sshd[26551]:"..., 71, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 71 ?? 1194941448 M * jmcaricand ?? I don't known 1194941536 M * DavidS then look into your syslog? 1194941696 M * jmcaricand http://pastebin.com/d5e8685ae 1194941741 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1194941814 M * DavidS Nov 13 08:31:18 mulce sm-msp-queue[23654]: lAD7VIw9023653: disconnect: open("/dev/null") failed: Permission denied <<-- there you have another problem 1194941875 J * bragon ~bragon@2001:7a8:aa58::1 1194941937 M * DavidS and this log doesn't contain the sshd line... 1194942035 M * jmcaricand I've migrated this vserver from another box with rsync. Perhaps it's the problem ? 1194942223 M * jmcaricand DavidS: I'm removing this guest and I try again:-) 1194942231 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.239.159 1194942486 M * jmcaricand DavidS: I've rsync the /dev directory an now that works. Thank DavidS 1194942663 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194942897 M * DavidS great :) 1194943303 J * Alikus ~alikus@217.150.200.212 1194943470 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1194943500 J * meandtheshel1 ~sa@85.127.115.176 1194944847 Q * igraltist Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194946042 J * mire ~mire@39-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1194946220 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1194947182 J * ntrs ~ntrs@79.125.224.149 1194947241 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A310C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1194947425 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194947671 P * friendly12345 1194948340 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@ppp89-110-58-130.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru 1194948747 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194948773 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1194949063 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194949543 J * igraltist ~user4@kasten-edv.de 1194950269 J * Punkie ~Punkie@goc.coolhousing.net 1194951396 N * AStorm Guest515 1194951400 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194951478 Q * Guest515 Remote host closed the connection 1194951666 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1194951789 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1194951800 M * Bertl morning folks! 1194951868 M * matti_ Hi Bertl :) 1194951890 M * Bertl hey matti_! LTNR :) 1194952222 M * matti_ :-) 1194952224 M * matti_ Indeed. 1194952235 M * matti_ Do you want some coffee maybe? 1194952272 M * JonB no, i have my hot chocolate thank you 1194952436 M * matti_ JonB: The question was for Bertl, but you're welcome as well :) And I see, that you have your hot drink already :) 1194952507 M * JonB matti_: it's cold out there today 1194953247 N * phedny Guest519 1194953252 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1194953297 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194953516 Q * ^Toad Remote host closed the connection 1194953528 J * ^Toad ~tl@tyler.cs.brown.edu 1194953657 Q * Guest519 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194954467 J * sannes ace@har.sagt.no 1194955591 M * the-me how is the link in the wiki for the howto about patching the kernel and vserver utils for more than 16 ips per vserver support? 1194955637 M * Bertl maybe you want to give the current devel releases a try, which remove this limit completely? 1194955761 Q * DLange Quit: rebooting 1194955812 M * the-me Bertl, I'll use it for a productive server# 1194955838 M * Bertl hmm, is it a good idea then to apply additional patches? 1194955863 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@192.38.8.25 1194955909 M * Bertl http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/some_hints_from_john 1194955915 M * the-me Bertl, its a better idea than to setup a productive server with a completly development codebase :) 1194955950 M * the-me is it working with vs2.2.0.5? 1194956019 M * Bertl very likely, but completely untested of course 1194956282 J * larsivi_ ~larsivi@85.221.53.194 1194956416 J * sharkjaw ~gab@shell.ormset.no 1194956507 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194956520 N * larsivi_ larsivi 1194957113 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp3-156.ethz.ch 1194957147 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1194957197 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194957935 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1194958073 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A310C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1194959627 J * dna ~dna@42-205-dsl.kielnet.net 1194960113 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1194961144 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1194962172 M * Bertl nap attack ... back later ... 1194962177 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1194962433 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3 1194962522 Q * igraltist Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194962962 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving 1194963279 M * quote :> 1194963279 M * quote stop sleeping 1194963279 M * quote :) 1194963283 J * mire ~mire@39-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1194963290 J * DLange2 ~dlange@p57A310C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1194963299 N * DLange Guest533 1194963299 N * DLange2 DLange 1194963564 Q * Guest533 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194964013 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1194964612 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194965516 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1194965527 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194965775 Q * Loki|muh Quit: leaving 1194965957 Q * quote 1194966501 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1194966520 N * phedny Guest539 1194966525 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1194966932 Q * Guest539 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194967982 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection 1194968033 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194968583 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1194968776 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1194968968 M * Bertl ah, that was refreshing ... 1194968985 J * arachnist arachnist@088156187175.who.vectranet.pl 1194969157 J * igraltista ~jens@p4FD27E2D.dip.t-dialin.net 1194969333 M * Punkie :) 1194969947 Q * jmcaricand Remote host closed the connection 1194970031 J * arachnis1 arachnist@088156184167.who.vectranet.pl 1194970183 M * bzed Bertl: nap attack sounds like it's snowing outside, too :) 1194970292 Q * arachnist Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194970292 N * arachnis1 arachnist 1194970417 J * Loki|muh ~loki@satanix.de 1194970858 Q * Loki|muh Quit: leaving 1194971272 M * Bertl bzed: almost :) 1194971285 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner ... back shortly 1194971997 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1194972567 J * igraltista_ ~jens@p4FD26277.dip.t-dialin.net 1194972767 J * Loki|muh ~loki@satanix.de 1194972795 M * Loki|muh re 1194972812 Q * igraltista Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194973097 M * Loki|muh oh man, a "reboot -f" inside a vserver hangs in a uninterruptible sleep state :/ 1194973105 M * Loki|muh seems to wait for /dev/pts/0 1194973115 M * Loki|muh reboot 31622 root 0u CHR 136,0 2 /dev/pts/0 (deleted) 1194973203 M * Bertl it's a little unusual, how did you logon to the guest? 1194973327 M * Loki|muh via ssh 1194973356 M * Loki|muh its a fresh ubuntu gutsy vserver, wanted to play a bit around with it 1194973391 M * Loki|muh (I guess it was ssh, maybe this was vserver xy enter, but I think not) 1194973397 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194973401 M * Bertl does /dev/pts/0 exist on the host? 1194973416 N * ensc Guest546 1194973427 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FDB1.dip.t-dialin.net 1194973443 M * Loki|muh no 1194973457 M * Bertl does it still exist inside the guest? 1194973461 M * Loki|muh no 1194973475 M * Bertl hmm, why is reboot referring to it then? 1194973501 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1194973501 M * Loki|muh good question :( 1194973505 M * Bertl try to vkill the reboot process with a HUP, TERM and finally KILL 1194973527 Q * Guest546 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194973618 M * Loki|muh no effect 1194973636 M * Loki|muh 31622 ? D 0:00 reboot -f 1194973636 M * Bertl check dmesg, sounds like a kernel issue 1194973653 M * Loki|muh nothing in dmesg 1194973706 M * Loki|muh D means its waiting for something (like I/O) and can't be interupted... but I don't know what its waiting for 1194973727 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1194973750 M * Bertl yes, but D is usually nothing a process stays in, unless the kernel panics/oopses within that process 1194973846 M * Loki|muh i guess i should reboot the host and test it again? 1194973856 Q * igraltista_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1194973890 M * Bertl well, nothing in dmesg? 1194973903 M * Loki|muh no, nothing 1194974239 M * bonbons Loki|muh: did you try to obtain kernel-side stacktraces for all processes with sysrq? 1194974307 M * bonbons that can usually provide a good hint what's the cause 1194974416 M * arachnist d == defunct == zombie 1194974426 M * arachnist just wait till it dissappears 1194974430 M * arachnist they do, sometimes 1194974629 M * Loki|muh bonbons: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/9568 <-- can you interprete something in this? 1194974671 M * Bertl yes, that is something we can interpret 1194974689 M * Bertl is that all you get, or is there something missing at the start? 1194974730 M * Loki|muh thats just the reboot section, I can paste the complete stack trace, too 1194974731 M * Bertl Loki|muh: it looks like a bug in your tools, i.e. check on the host, there is most likely a vshelper process hanging around 1194974753 M * Bertl if you kill that helper process, the reboot will resume 1194974766 M * Bertl are you using util-vserver 0.30.214? 1194974871 M * Loki|muh worse... 0.30.212 1194974875 M * Loki|muh debian stable 1194974880 M * Bertl okay, that explains it 1194974892 M * Loki|muh yeah, you are right, there was an vshelper process 1194974906 M * Bertl it's a known bug, and fixed in 0.30.214 1194974936 M * Bertl so please file a bug report to debian 1194974953 M * Bertl (and in the meantime, get 0.30.214 from backports) 1194975050 M * Loki|muh ok, thanks alot! 1194975066 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1194975244 M * Loki|muh brb 1194975246 Q * Loki|muh Quit: leaving 1194975271 N * AStorm Guest552 1194975274 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194975283 Q * Guest552 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194975430 Q * AStorm 1194975547 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1194975725 M * Bertl wb Loki|muh! 1194975752 M * Loki|muh :) 1194976083 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1194976190 M * dowdle Bertl: Oh look... someone else thinks they know what you should do: http://lwn.net/Articles/257989/ I put my two cents in. 1194976355 M * Bertl which one are you referring to? 1194976458 M * dowdle Posted Nov 13, 2007 16:34 UTC (Tue) by maks and my response. 1194976508 M * dowdle Perhaps I went overboard. 1194976713 M * phrost lol you should have pointed out the fact that openvz has no active development 1194976730 M * dowdle phrost: I don't believe that to be the case. 1194976746 M * phrost the last patch they've made to their -devel branch was 2 months ago 1194976748 M * phrost against 2.6.22 1194976789 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@80.69.41.3 1194976795 M * dowdle phrost: They are completely different and have different life signs. So far as being a public, open project... they aren't doing that very well... but it is hard to get outsiders to just jump in on something that as complicated that has been going for years. 1194976832 M * dowdle phrost: Kir mentioned some recent work... and they have released kernel updates within the last two months. 1194976837 M * JonB dowdle: nobody will come if they do not release patches often 1194976855 M * dowdle JonB: Well, I don't know... but my guess is that they really don't want anyone to come anyway. 1194976879 M * dowdle JonB: But that is just a guess without any real data to support it. 1194976880 M * phrost you think a lot of the r&d is happening behind the doors of swsoft still? 1194976890 M * Bertl where else? 1194976890 M * dowdle phrost: Yes, definitely. 1194976919 M * Bertl the main purpose of OVZ is to out-source kernel development to mainline 1194976929 M * Bertl (and get some publicity on the way) 1194976941 M * dowdle The only real contributions I see from the community is in bug reporting, documentation (wiki), forums, etc. 1194976961 M * dowdle Bertl: And because it is required as it derives from the GPL'ed kernel. 1194976978 M * dowdle Now, having said all of that... that doesn't mean it is a bad thing. I think SWsoft went about the OpenVZ project the right way. 1194976980 M * Bertl dowdle: that didn't stop them before, but that is a different story :) 1194977023 M * dowdle I think they just had to throw it out there... and if a development community sprung up around it, the more the better... but it didn't seem to happen. 1194977123 M * Bertl which might be related to the code quality and size ... 1194977167 M * Bertl (and lack of code documentation; this is not very different from Linux-VServer btw) 1194977231 M * JonB Bertl: but at least you are available to help people look into coding 1194977262 M * Bertl korrect, Kir has the problem that he isn't much into development 1194977266 M * Bertl *correct 1194977447 M * dowdle I'm glad both approaches exist. :) 1194977545 M * Bertl yes, I stated that several times, I'm glad too, keeps our minds sharp :) 1194977568 M * dowdle phrost: So to summarize, yes I think there is a lot of development going on in OpenVZ/Virtuozzo... but not a whole lot of that is obvious in their "community" presence. 1194977602 M * phrost lemme ask a completely unrelated question, and it's probably way off topic so don't shoot me :P 1194977630 M * phrost which do you think would make a more secure / advanced routing & traffic shaping engine, linux 2.6 + netfilter or something like netbsd + PF? 1194977667 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1194977738 M * Bertl phrost: really hard to say 1194977760 M * dowdle phrost: As a novice, (and I doubt you were asking me anyway)... I would guess that both are extremely usable for the task... and that much/most of the value of them is in the person implimenting a solution on top of them and how good they are at that. 1194977800 M * phrost thats about what i expected 1194977810 M * DLange phrost: The one you or your admins are most familiar with. 90%+ of errors in networking security are human. 1194977829 M * Bertl make that 99.9% :) 1194977829 M * phrost i'm working on building an experimental lab here, i think i'm going to use netbsd on the lower end machines on the edge, and use linux in the core for the server systems 1194977882 M * DLange phrost: pro: double layer of security. con: more administration req'd thus more error prone. 1194977973 M * phrost ehh the netbsd boxes won't be doing much other than tcp normalization / scrubbing, traffic shaping, and NAT 1194977975 N * fatgoose samuel 1194977983 M * phrost network security will be vlan seperation and access-lists on the cisco's 1194978031 M * dowdle Bertl: Was my response to the person's comment on LWN accurate enough? 1194978097 J * BobR odie@IRC.13thfloor.at 1194978150 M * Bertl welcome BobR! 1194978265 M * Bertl dowdle: fine for me :) 1194978465 M * BobR hi 1194978487 M * DLange phrost: Cisco, hm that's the third config syntax (AAA), so unless your lab is about playing with network security and/or network stacks, I'd use one, secure firewall script on the perimeter (that's your first Cisco or PF in what you described) and that's it. 1194978492 M * BobR http://www.metacafe.com/watch/857874/vista_true_info/ 1194978492 M * DLange cont'd: You could add a few application level firewalls to the picture though. Seems like you're collecting security applicances. Hint: more can be less secure. 1194978578 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1194979090 M * phrost DLange: a few problems with that though, the first is, cisco sucks at traffic shaping, so there needs to be another layer for that alone, second, the goal is also to seperate the internal machines from each other 1194979105 N * BobR BobR_oO 1194979256 N * phedny Guest563 1194979264 M * DLange phrost: Traffic shaping: are you doing something that requires this (like video streams staturating the same line as more important stuff). Separate machines: sub-class the network, so that local machines are in different networks. Default router to the outside, no remote loopback. Done, no firewall req'd. 1194979264 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1194979657 Q * Guest563 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194979779 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1194980191 Q * Punkie Quit: Odcházím 1194980209 M * phrost DLange: mostly simple stuff, VoIP 1194980221 M * phrost but i could just have a seperate vlan for that and tag it in QoS 1194980234 M * DLange phrost: Yep. 1194980239 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1194980895 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194981132 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1194981294 M * derjohn hey, After copying a vserver guest I get a context: execvp("/etc/init.d/rc"): Permission denied when starting it. 1194981317 Q * Alikus Remote host closed the connection 1194981323 M * derjohn both are 32 bit guests ... what might cause that error? 1194981325 M * Bertl probably you lost most of the suid and other flags/permissions 1194981348 M * Bertl how did you copy them? 1194981356 M * derjohn Bertl, ah, then i'll lart my colleagure for not rsyncing corretly :) 1194981377 M * derjohn well: i did not, I took oveer what was on the "backup host" .... 1194981382 M * Bertl -axHPSD --numeric-ids 1194981385 M * derjohn I'll look for the flags ... 1194981402 M * derjohn i use -azvH --numeric-ids usually ... 1194981425 M * Bertl which will have problems with devices and sparse files 1194981446 M * derjohn hm, we use : rsync -HWazv -e "ssh -c blowfish -p 20022" --numeric-ids .... 1194981500 M * derjohn do the vserver utils refer to /etc/init.d/rc of the guest? or the host ? I'll check it's permission s... 1194981711 M * Bertl util-vserver will try to execute that for sysv init style 1194981727 M * Bertl but I guess it is bash which is screwed up or some of the libraries 1194982028 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-199.kollegiegaarden.dk 1194982077 J * sharkjaw ~gab@216-159-177.0503.adsl.tele2.no 1194982078 M * AStorm Bertl: nah, it's missing +x 1194982154 M * derjohn -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8045 Nov 27 2006 /var/lib/vservers/foobar42/etc/init.d/rc 1194982164 M * AStorm hm, that is correct 1194982164 M * derjohn thats what it currently looks like ... 1194982191 M * AStorm maybe bash or sh doesn't have correct permissions? 1194982206 M * derjohn and: etc/init.d/rc: Bourne shell script text executable 1194982209 M * derjohn hm 1194982578 M * derjohn error: '/var/lib/vservers/xxx//etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow. 1194982652 M * AStorm derjohn: already checked /bin/sh and /bin/bash? 1194982676 M * derjohn jap, and /var/lib/vservers/xxx//etc/init.d/rc 2 runs .... 1194982683 M * derjohn astonishing ... 1194982806 M * Bertl how did you test that? 1194982887 M * derjohn hm, I typed "/var/lib/vservers/xxx//etc/init.d/rc 2" on the hosts shell and it gave me some output ... 1194982899 M * Bertl well, that will use the host bash and libraries 1194982902 M * derjohn I started a differnt guest on the host , which also stared. 1194982919 M * Bertl you can try with chroot, but I would not suggest to do so 1194982930 M * derjohn before I bug you further, I'll do a fresh copy of the guest .... 1194982942 M * Bertl (most likely chroot to the guest dir will fail anyway) 1194983626 M * derjohn Bertl, a fresh copy solved the problem. I'll update all my rsync to what you recommended, too. 1194983630 M * derjohn Bertl, thx a lot ! 1194983716 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1194983948 M * samuel yo bertl 1194983952 M * samuel nice interview 1194984017 M * Bertl thanks, credit goes to dowdle ... 1194984034 Q * dsoul Remote host closed the connection 1194984102 M * dowdle Yes, the whole interview thing was kinda like... Jim Henson and Kermit the Frog. NOT! :) 1194984126 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1194984141 M * samuel big up to the team 1194984148 J * dsoul darksoul@149.156.65.93 1194984759 Q * dsoul Remote host closed the connection 1194984784 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1194985296 M * derjohn URL ? 1194985342 M * derjohn dowdle, url ? 1194985358 M * tam Bertl, quite a while ago you gave me some info about what I should use to enable ipv6 in guests... and I swear I saved the notes, but I can't find them. Could you tell me again what you'd recommend? 1194985371 M * daniel_hozac 2.3 and util-vserver 0.30.214. 1194985395 M * Bertl wb daniel_hozac! 1194985399 M * tam 2.3 has ipv6 native? Woo! 1194985402 M * tam That's quite exciting. 1194985411 M * daniel_hozac thanks :) 1194985579 M * arekm but not modular! ;-P 1194985602 A * arekm still plays bad role 1194985727 M * Bertl which is a terrible problem for pld :) 1194985782 J * larsivi ~larsivi@101.84-48-201.nextgentel.com 1194985790 M * arekm "save pld" 1194985869 M * dowdle derjohn: URL? http://www.montanalinux.org/linux-vserver-interview.html 1194985917 M * derjohn dowdle, already found ;) 1194987368 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106 1194987384 P * Yvo 1194987459 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-115-173.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net 1194987877 M * faheem Are there any special technical difficulties with setting up and running a vserver of RHEL vs CentOS? 1194987917 M * daniel_hozac if yum can do it, so can the utils. 1194989362 N * phedny Guest578 1194989370 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1194989626 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving 1194989774 Q * Guest578 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194990213 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1194990407 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.231.179 1194990408 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1194990838 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194990944 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving. 1194991241 J * jazzanova ~boris@87.69.128.138 1194991242 M * jazzanova hi 1194991258 M * daniel_hozac hello 1194991260 M * jazzanova i have vserver on old installation of ubuntu. i on it one vserver which is also old. 1194991260 M * Bertl welcome jazzanova! 1194991271 M * jazzanova i'm having problems upgrading the old virtual vserver ubuntu. 1194991280 M * jazzanova problem is with udev/hotplug stuff. 1194991303 Q * DLange Quit: Good night everybody. Sleep well! 1194991309 M * daniel_hozac what kind of problem? 1194991312 M * Bertl on the host or guest? 1194991312 M * jazzanova do you recommend just istalling a fresh vserver with new ubuntu, and if yes, how ? 1194991316 M * jazzanova on theguest 1194991325 M * jazzanova The following packages have unmet dependencies: 1194991325 M * jazzanova udev: Depends: hotplug but it is not installable 1194991340 M * Bertl why isn't it installable? 1194991361 Q * AStorm Quit: ET calling home 1194991393 M * jazzanova it says thot hotplug doesn't exist, but "udev" and module-init-tools replace it 1194991423 M * Bertl well, none of those packages are required inside a guest 1194991435 M * jazzanova ok, great. 1194991441 M * Bertl nevertheless, it sounds like an ubuntu issue to me? 1194991473 M * jazzanova ok 1194991483 M * jazzanova how can I install a fresh guest os ? 1194991578 M * daniel_hozac vserver ... build -m debootstrap ... -- -d 1194991618 M * Bertl vserver etch32 build -m debootstrap --context 10104 --hostname etch32.debian.org --interface eth1:10.1.4.32/24 -- -d etch -m http://ftp.debian.org/debian -- --arch i386 1194991624 M * Bertl (adjust for your distro) 1194991648 M * jazzanova thanks. 1194991658 M * jazzanova does anyone have the string for ubuntu ? 1194991694 M * sid3windr yes, replace etch by gutsy :p 1194991700 M * sid3windr (and another mirrors) 1194991714 M * faheem jazzanova: Make sure your debootstrap is recent enough. 1194991749 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Installing_Ubuntu_on_Debian 1194991782 M * sid3windr you can also copy the debootstrap files from ubuntu I think 1194991809 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver 0.30.214 includes them. 1194991832 M * sid3windr ahhh :) 1194991839 M * sid3windr verry well 1194991842 Q * derjohn_mobil Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194991851 M * sid3windr I did notice if you don't have debootstrap it tries to download something 1194991859 M * sid3windr except that url hasn't worked for years ;) 1194991866 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1194991888 M * sid3windr if you use the debootstrap method but you don't have debootstrap installed util-vserver tries to download a .deb 1194991907 M * sid3windr but that .deb is long gone from the debian mirrors as the version is a little too old 1194991945 M * jazzanova so gutsy is the latest one ? 1194991962 M * sid3windr yup 1194992067 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: according to my logs, debootstrap 1.0.3 was uploaded on the 21st of august. 1194992094 M * sid3windr well, I may not have the latest util-vserver of course. 1194992118 M * sid3windr but in any case it's not in sync (i.e. util-vserver from etch should link to debootstrap from etch) 1194992132 M * sid3windr but I think that's something the debian maintainer(s) should patch/handle :) 1194992146 M * sid3windr or, why download the deb in the first place? 1194992156 M * sid3windr why not "aptitude install debootstrap" 1194992165 M * Bertl sid3windr: uril-vserver from etch should be updated :) 1194992172 M * Bertl *util 1194992173 M * sid3windr I think I'm running .214 1194992182 M * sid3windr but my servers are a bit of a mess at the moment 1194992196 M * sid3windr I'm buying new hardware and will do full reinstalls of all hostsystems 1194992201 M * sid3windr decently this time :) 1194992202 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: because Debian is not the only distro the utils work on? :) 1194992226 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: okay, but you have special cases anyway, right? as on fedora you won't be downloading that .deb anyway 1194992236 M * daniel_hozac yes you will... 1194992273 M * sid3windr aha 1194992280 M * sid3windr you cpio the deb? 1194992286 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1194992290 M * sid3windr I really didn't follow it that much as it didn't work anyway 1194992295 M * sid3windr just apt-get installed it and try again 1194992300 M * sid3windr only run into that once per host anyway :> 1194992517 M * jazzanova looks like I am stuck, cause I can't upgrade my util-vserver 1194992524 M * jazzanova my host is too old 1194992528 M * jazzanova can't install anything on it. 1194992535 M * jazzanova the repositories are gone 1194992557 M * jazzanova are you sure things will break with old debbootstrap ? 1194992578 M * daniel_hozac it just won't know how to install any recent distros... 1194992720 M * jazzanova does vserver guest need sysvinit ? 1194992800 M * Bertl no, you can use your custom init system too 1194993607 M * jazzanova how can I prepare a custom debbootstrap 1194993625 M * jazzanova or util-vserver 1194993736 M * Bertl hmm? util-vserver can be compiled from the source 1194993746 M * Bertl the debootstrap will be downloaded 1194993913 M * jazzanova can I download a fresh debootstrap into old util-vserver ? 1194993919 M * jazzanova would that be sufficent. 1194994027 M * Bertl depends on what you want to do .. I somewhat lost you ... 1194994033 M * jazzanova is this recent enough: util-vserver-0.30.212 1194994047 M * jazzanova i want to istall gutsy on hoary host 1194994054 M * Bertl it would be advised to update to 0.30.214 1194994055 M * jazzanova hoary is totally unsupported and I can't apt-get anything on it. 1194994096 M * Bertl is there no upgrade path for hoary? 1194994132 M * jazzanova the next version after hoary is not supported too 1194994154 M * jazzanova i tried upgrade, it didn't work 1194994316 M * daniel_hozac heh. 1194994325 M * daniel_hozac sounds like a fantastic choice of distro for a server :) 1194994361 M * jazzanova :) 1194994370 M * Bertl jazzanova: have you considered changing the host distro? 1194994398 M * dowdle That's why people should use the LTS versions on servers, eh? 1194994429 M * daniel_hozac or, i don't know, Debian. 1194994432 M * Bertl well, or update on a regular basis :) 1194994433 M * dowdle First version of that was: 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake 1194994476 M * dowdle daniel_hozac: Debian isn't support that long either... it used to be mainly because the time between releases was so long... but since they've sped that process up quite a bit the length of support has been reduced. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 1194994489 M * jazzanova bertl: i can't, a live server is on it. 1194994505 M * Bertl jazzanova: so? 1194994507 M * daniel_hozac dowdle: but Debian has proper upgrade paths. 1194994521 M * jazzanova bertl: how can I change a distro on a live system ? 1194994555 M * Bertl do you have some disk space left, maybe even a separate partition (like swap)? 1194994585 M * dowdle jazzanova: With CentOS (and other RH-based distros) they have a medialess gui based installed (via VNC) that I've used a few times. You take an existing system, download a kernel and an initrd to it... and then put in a really big grub entry for the remote access via VNC. 1194994588 M * jazzanova i have disk space. 1194994603 M * dowdle errr... installed = install 1194994617 M * dowdle jazzanova: I would hope that Ubuntu has something similar. 1194994625 M * Bertl so then you can install your 'new' distro while the old one is still running, then, switch over to the new one 1194994656 M * dowdle daniel_hozac: I guess Debian keeps their .deb repos around longer. If he could find a directory structure with the updates (and package metadata files), he could probably update just fine. 1194994694 M * jazzanova bertl: how can I do it, how do I run an installer ? its' not that simple. 1194994697 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@e180219040.adsl.alicedsl.de 1194994706 M * jazzanova i connecting remotely to machine. 1194994710 M * dowdle jazzanova: Another plan might be to setup a local machine with the old Ubuntu and rsync everything from the target server to it... upgrade the local machine and then rsync it to the target machine and hope it all goes well. :) 1194994715 M * jazzanova dowdle: what do you grub VNC entry ? 1194994717 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194994728 M * Bertl jazzanova: it is _that_ simple .. don't forget, util-vserver also installs a complete guest system 1194994757 M * daniel_hozac jazzanova: debootstrap is the backend for the Debian installer... 1194994759 M * jazzanova bertl: can I take a guest system, and make it the main system ? 1194994780 M * Bertl if you install the hardware related stuff and kernel, yes 1194994839 M * Bertl jazzanova: if you want to make sure that it works, you could install the system in QEMU or similar and then copy it over to the server 1194994867 M * daniel_hozac (just remember to change config files to match your hardware, if you have that kind of config files...) 1194994878 M * jazzanova so i need to use debbootstrap and install into some directory ? 1194994894 M * Bertl you can do that for example 1194994902 M * dowdle jazzanova: Well, I was giving an example of how I've done fresh installs on remote machines... but here is a URL for the recipe on CentOS which probably won't help you much: 1194994903 M * Bertl (or use the swap partition for that) 1194994909 M * jazzanova and then change the /etc/fstab ? 1194994912 M * dowdle (looking for the URL... it is on a CentOS developer's blog) 1194994988 M * jazzanova yes, becusae I don't run centos. 1194994992 M * jazzanova on the host. 1194995051 M * dowdle Wow, had to go back to June of 2005: http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2005/06/15/upgrading_to_centos4_over_a_remote_vnc_c 1194995119 M * jazzanova i upgraded my vserver package to 214 1194995128 M * jazzanova gonna try downloading a new guest. 1194995160 N * ensc Guest583 1194995169 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FDB1.dip.t-dialin.net 1194995202 M * jazzanova is it easy to forward ports from host to guest if I installed the guest on private ip ? 1194995216 M * jazzanova do i need iptables for that ? 1194995227 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1194995249 M * jazzanova is that gonna be snat/dnat ? 1194995268 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1194995277 Q * Guest583 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194995319 M * jazzanova is it possibl to change later on private ip of guest to a public ip ? 1194995355 M * Bertl yes, but it is probably simpler toNAT it 1194995362 M * Bertl *to NAT* 1194995589 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl 1194995737 M * dowdle jazzanova: If you could find some old repos of the previous release and edited your sources.list you could probably upgrade... and from there get the rest of the way. 1194995954 M * jazzanova i tried it, messed up my system. good thing it was only a guest. 1194995957 M * dowdle jazzanova: But again... it would be nice to create a local machine with a similiar setup and test it out before you did the REAL machine. 1194996001 M * dowdle jazzanova: Going from a release where they have sysv to their new (whateveritscalled) init system... isn't doable I don't think... in a VPS. 1194996029 M * dowdle Not without major surgery... not that Ubuntu upgrades were anywhere near as problem free as Debians to begin with. 1194996217 M * jazzanova nd not found 1194996242 M * jazzanova /opt/lib/util-vserver/distributions/feisty/debootstrap.script: line 3: default_mirror: command not found 1194996259 M * jazzanova case $ARCH in 1194996259 M * jazzanova amd64|i386|powerpc|sparc) 1194996259 M * jazzanova default_mirror http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu 1194996265 M * jazzanova line 3 is the last line 1194996294 M * daniel_hozac remove your debootstrap and let the utils download one. 1194996300 M * jazzanova i want to ttry to move everything to a guest os, so the host can remain old. 1194996323 M * jazzanova daniel_hozac: how would i remove it ? 1194996353 M * daniel_hozac apt-get remove debootstrap 1194996491 M * dowdle jazzanova: I hope you have a recent backup of everything just in case. :) 1194996493 M * jazzanova i ran the comand 1194996504 M * jazzanova i am installing guest os now 1194996723 M * jazzanova can someone post a portforward example intot a guest os ? 1194996974 Q * larsivi Quit: Konversation terminated! 1194997038 M * Bertl iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d -j DNAT (or something like that) 1194997083 M * jazzanova root@archimedes:/home/boris # vserver dollar start 1194997083 M * jazzanova WARNING: --nid is not supported by this version 1194997083 M * jazzanova chbind: kernel does not provide network isolation 1194997106 M * Bertl kernel-tool mismatch (API) 1194997122 Q * eyck_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1194997152 M * Bertl no, actually that sounds more like two different sets of tools isntalled 1194997157 M * jazzanova yes 1194997161 M * jazzanova thats gotta be it 1194997168 M * jazzanova i istalled into opt the new version 1194997173 M * jazzanova and i still have the old one 1194997180 M * jazzanova i gotta rebuild it and reinstall over top of it 1194997189 M * Bertl or remove the old ones 1194997222 M * jazzanova i don't know how to remove the old one. 1194997324 M * jazzanova rebuilding 1194997337 Q * derjohn_mobil Remote host closed the connection 1194997917 M * jazzanova could my kernel be too old ? 1194997934 M * jazzanova 2.6.11-vsl1.9.5 1194997940 M * Bertl the tools support even 2.4 kernels (if configured correctly) 1194997993 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl 1194998012 M * Bertl wb eyck! 1194998171 M * Bertl jazzanova: did you remove the old tools by now? 1194998185 M * Bertl jazzanova: what error do you see with the new ones? 1194998214 M * jazzanova ok 1194998229 M * jazzanova i thought if i rebulid whith default options , it would overwrite my old one 1194998230 M * jazzanova but no 1194998236 M * jazzanova my old one is in /usr/sbin/vserver 1194998244 M * jazzanova my new one went to /usr/local/sbin 1194998262 M * Bertl no, debian (and probably ubuntu) use nonstandard pathes 1194998265 M * jazzanova what build options do I need to give tot matcch the old one ? 1194998276 M * jazzanova this is a package I downloaded 1194998294 M * Bertl well, the package should know what pathes are used 1194998298 M * jazzanova from linux-vserver.org 1194998311 M * Bertl nah, we do not provide ubuntu tools 1194998316 M * jazzanova ok 1194998330 M * jazzanova so, what option do I give to --prefix to get it to got into /usr/sbin ? 1194998347 M * Bertl /usr 1194998348 M * jazzanova cause I don't know how to remove the old version. i don't know which files are involved. 1194998352 M * jazzanova ok 1194998356 M * jazzanova rebuilding 1194998380 M * jazzanova also, i have my old guest in /etc/vservers 1194998393 M * Bertl the config, I hope 1194998396 M * jazzanova the new guest went to /usr/local/etc