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1194395025 P * Yvo 
1194395079 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1194395176 J * vserver ~Administr@cpe-71-72-112-140.insight.res.rr.com
1194395180 M * vserver hi
1194395206 M * vserver is their any kind of communication system that would allow me to start stop restart vservers ?
1194395223 M * vserver like some communication server of some sort
1194395246 M * Johnnie You can always google "vcd" and "openvcp".
1194395256 M * Johnnie Those should yield lots of information.
1194395307 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net
1194395308 M * daniel_hozac what?
1194395313 M * daniel_hozac from where?
1194395335 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-134-217.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net
1194395409 M * vserver no i dont need a web thing
1194395425 M * vserver i was reading somewhere somoe one made a xml rpc server or something 
1194395435 M * daniel_hozac that'd be vcd.
1194395435 M * vserver and was wondering if it did what i thought
1194395447 M * daniel_hozac (not sure it's XML-RPC though...)
1194395474 M * vserver vcd?
1194395481 M * daniel_hozac why doesn't ssh suit your needs?
1194395507 M * vserver it can i guess
1194395521 M * vserver was wondering if something was out though
1194395598 M * daniel_hozac what is it that you want to do?
1194395838 M * dowdle I would imagine that monit on the host node could be adapted to start and stop a VPS.
1194395859 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194395867 M * dowdle You could do something like have monit periodically poll for a remote file and if it or doesn't find it, start or restart a service.
1194395894 M * dowdle err... doesn't = does or doesn't
1194395951 M * dowdle Or if you are just wanting automatic service recovery inside of a VPS, install monit on the vps.  I don't see much cause to start/stop restart a VPS because it isn't like a whole VPS crashes... but individual services you might care about.
1194395955 M * dowdle Is that making sense?
1194396312 M * dowdle monit can be used for monitoring local services, remote services, remote files... and then take whatever action (like vserver {name} restart) as desired.
1194396476 M * dowdle vserver:  monit is real easy to setup.  Would that suit your needs?
1194396751 M * dowdle Gotta run.  See you guys/gals tomorrow.
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1194397495 J * liona29 ~liona29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
1194397666 Q * liona29 
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1194403362 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4E0BF.dip.t-dialin.net
1194403853 N * ensc Guest132
1194403863 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4D72D.dip.t-dialin.net
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1194405163 J * camgirl29 ~camgirl29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1194409483 J * paula35 ~paula35@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1194409682 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.38.185
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1194415557 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A31279.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1194417441 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk
1194417721 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1194417721 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1194417780 N * Hollow_ Hollow
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1194419922 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1194420123 M * vserver hi anyone up ?
1194420138 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A31279.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1194420607 Q * DLange Quit: CU later. Reboot.
1194420631 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A31279.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1194420899 M * Supaplex yup
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1194423509 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net
1194423587 J * dna ~dna@64-205-dsl.kielnet.net
1194423740 J * derjohn_mobil ~aj@e180223053.adsl.alicedsl.de
1194424967 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1194424974 M * Bertl morning folks!
1194424985 M * Bertl welcome vserver!
1194425162 M * dna moin Bertl 
1194425199 M * grobie morning
1194425321 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.33.181
1194425601 J * larsivi ~larsivi@85.221.53.194
1194426044 J * mire_ ~mire@27-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1194426072 M * neuralis Bertl: is it as weird saying "03:43 < Bertl> welcome vserver!" as it is reading it? :)
1194426135 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@192.38.8.25
1194426489 M * Bertl neuralis: try /whois vserver :)
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1194426570 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk
1194426629 M * neuralis Bertl: i know, but it still amused me :)
1194426705 M * Bertl hehe, yeah, I had to look twice too :)
1194426801 J * dna_ ~dna@64-205-dsl.kielnet.net
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1194427227 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn180.rz.uni-mannheim.de
1194427254 P * Yvo 
1194427699 J * snooze_ ~o@1-1-4-40a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se
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1194427809 N * snooze_ snooze
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1194429694 M * Hollow Bertl: around?
1194430537 M * Bertl yep
1194430585 M * Hollow Bertl: http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/kernel
1194430601 M * Hollow i have enabled the ticket module and disabled the svn module
1194430626 M * Bertl ah, great!
1194430632 M * Hollow there is a git plugin for trac, but it seems to be in very early stage
1194430648 M * Hollow but i could install it for testing if you want
1194430658 M * Bertl yeah, we didn't make the git transition yet either, so let's give it some time
1194430663 M * Hollow ok
1194430665 M * neuralis Hollow: i don't recommend it
1194430676 M * neuralis gitweb is currently far superior
1194430684 M * Hollow yeah, and we have installed gitweb too
1194431187 M * Hollow Bertl: now with akismet plugin, so we shouldn't get spam tickets :)
1194431207 M * Bertl perfect!
1194431212 M * Bertl good work! thanks!
1194431222 M * Hollow if you want some text on the wiki start page send it to me and i will add it to the database manually, since i removed all wiki privileges
1194431244 M * Bertl can/should we do a track.linux-vserver.org?
1194431254 M * Hollow yeah, we can do that
1194431258 M * Hollow but whtouth k
1194431261 M * Hollow *without
1194431262 M * Hollow :)
1194431266 M * Bertl yep, sorry
1194431296 M * Hollow ok, serveralias added
1194431908 N * dna_ dna
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1194432011 M * Bertl Hollow: hmm, dns entry is there, but it 'renames' the url to svn?
1194432063 M * Hollow probably because of the canonicalhostname setting
1194432089 M * Hollow hm, but it's off already
1194432113 M * Hollow ah, right .. i redirect from / to /projects with a hardcoded url
1194432226 M * Hollow Bertl: should work now
1194432242 J * igraltista ~jens@p4FD2504C.dip.t-dialin.net
1194432312 M * Bertl great! thanks!
1194432318 M * Bertl wb igraltista!
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1194433104 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1194433827 J * Jumpingmanjim crayner@ppp121-44-213-183.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net
1194433848 P * Jumpingmanjim 
1194433937 J * marl ~marl@host81-149-68-63.in-addr.btopenworld.com
1194433942 M * marl hi folks
1194433968 M * marl anyone tell me if it is posible to umount /tmp within a vserver without killing the machine?
1194434006 M * Bertl yep, if no process is using it anymore
1194434009 M * marl have a serve running, and cant take it down just now, but am hitting problems with the size of /tmp :(
1194434021 M * Bertl you could 'resize' it?
1194434030 M * marl lol, is there any way to tell if any proceses are using it?
1194434038 M * marl how would i resize it?
1194434056 M * marl didnt think that could be done while vserver is running
1194434059 J * mire_ ~mire@27-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1194434129 M * Bertl yes, it can be done
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1194434146 M * Bertl first, figure the context id of your guest (vserver-stat)
1194434152 M * marl ok
1194434163 M * marl got it
1194434179 M * Bertl now enter the namespace of the guest (from the host), with vnamespace
1194434180 M * marl thats the 'CTX' number isnt it
1194434206 M * Bertl yep
1194434254 M * Bertl e.g. vnamespace --enter 10114 -- /bin/bash
1194434281 M * marl ok looks like im in there
1194434304 M * Bertl find the mount for your guest with: 'grep tmpfs /proc/mounts'
1194434315 M * Bertl should be something like:
1194434318 M * Bertl none /vservers/etch64/tmp tmpfs rw,nodev 0 0
1194434360 M * marl found it
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1194434396 M * Bertl chroot into the guest dir, like this:
1194434401 M * Bertl chroot /vservers/etch64/
1194434450 M * marl ok, chrooted
1194434468 M * Bertl now do:
1194434472 M * Bertl mount -o remount,nodev,size=32M /tmp
1194434518 M * marl this space is coming out of my main memory isnt it?
1194434524 M * Bertl it is
1194434527 M * marl rather than actual disk space
1194434529 M * marl ok thank
1194434551 M * Bertl and now that you know how it works, please add it to the wiki, so that in the future folks will not have this issues
1194434581 M * marl just copied my log out to notepad, will try very hard to get it in there
1194434597 M * Bertl marl: note that tmpfs has a few advantages over 'conventional ramdisks'
1194434607 M * Bertl first, the pages can be swapped out
1194434624 M * Bertl second, it uses only so much space as there is data stored within
1194434639 M * marl ah, ok makes sence
1194434722 M * marl typical after all that, it didnt make any differance to the problem :(, oh well lernt something handy anyway :)
1194434729 M * marl thank you Bertl
1194434770 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.46.43
1194434773 M * Bertl you're welcome! 
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1194435078 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
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1194438817 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1194439183 J * igraltista ~jens@p4FD2504C.dip.t-dialin.net
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1194439661 J * liona29 ~liona29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1194440033 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.35.131
1194440092 J * lidi20 ~lidi20@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1194440448 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.112.221
1194440870 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-24-48.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
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1194441507 J * PowerKe ~tom@d54C13E4B.access.telenet.be
1194441907 M * PowerKe I'm running 2.6.20-vs2.2.0-gentoo, util-vserver: 0.30.213, have extended attribute support on reiserfs and somehow ended up with some unified files with (lowercase) ui attribute.
1194441924 M * PowerKe I found out yesterday when I upgraded glibc in one of the guests and broke it in some others (not all for some reason)
1194441951 M * PowerKe Any idea if it's a known issue with the older version of vserver or utils, or that I might be doing something else wrong?
1194441990 M * PowerKe When I run vserver hashify now, it seems to set correct UI attributes
1194442012 M * Bertl hmm, files with -ui are not really unified
1194442032 M * PowerKe Well, they're hardlinked but because they're ui, they modify in all guests instead of COW
1194442059 M * Bertl but reiserfs is a little weird with the attributes, i.e. if you 'forget' the proper options at mount time, then the filesystem will act like the flags (immutable and friends) do not exist
1194442063 M * PowerKe When I test it now, it seems to work fine, but I don't know how I ended up with the hardlinked ui files in the first place
1194442114 M * PowerKe so it could be that it was mounted incorrectly the previous time that vhashify was executed?
1194442195 M * Bertl for example
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1194442251 M * FaUl drecks bahn
1194442262 M * FaUl erst steht +5, ich lass de s-bahn fahren
1194442277 M * FaUl die naechste s-bahn hat +15 und die bahn wahr schon durch obwohl ich +2 am bahnsteig war *gngngn*
1194442284 M * FaUl oops, wrong window, sorry
1194442458 M * Bertl hehe
1194442460 M * PowerKe which is the correct mount option? attrs?
1194442471 M * Bertl yes, I think it was attrs
1194442492 M * PowerKe Strange thing is that I can both see the flags with either attrs or noattrs
1194442919 M * Bertl reiserfs has some 'unique' properties :)
1194442926 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later ...
1194442931 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1194442956 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.55.141
1194443511 J * ntrs ~ntrs@79.125.239.196
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1194445560 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
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1194447905 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
1194447955 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.57.161
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1194449882 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1194449901 M * dowdle Good nowing.
1194449936 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de
1194449974 N * dreamind Guest1
1194450024 N * Guest1 dreamind
1194450028 M * dreamind Hi!
1194450029 M * dreamind :)
1194450127 M * dreamind can anybody help me with opengroupware inside a vserver? my problem is I don't have the source of that particular version anymore...
1194450290 M * dreamind or is there a way to allow my vserver to bind to 127.0.0.1 of the host system, so I don't have these problems? even if its less secure...
1194450301 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1194450320 M * dreamind I just want that opengroupware stuff to work, and get the time to do a clean reinstall - on amd64 - if they put source packages (debian) online at some time :(
1194450410 M * JonB dreamind: why does it have to bind to 127.0.0.1 of the host system?
1194450438 M * dreamind JonB: imho it has a hardcoded value of 127.0.0.1 in its apache module, for the host to connect to
1194450455 M * dreamind and if I run opengroupware inside a vserver - it doesn't work, the apache module just returns internal errors
1194450465 M * dreamind but if I run it inside a chroot, it works fine :(
1194450488 M * JonB dreamind: to my understanding the devel version of vserver has a lo interface
1194450500 M * dreamind ok
1194450505 M * dreamind I run the stable version :(
1194450517 M * dreamind maybe I should change that before I try anything else
1194450739 M * JonB maybe
1194450749 M * JonB did you check the vserver faq?
1194450765 M * JonB i really think you need advice from Bertl_oO or daniel_hozac 
1194451328 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: what is the problem you're facing?
1194451382 M * dreamind I think I'll try http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs#127.0.0.1_issues
1194451391 M * dreamind but first I'll have to fix different things.
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1194455218 J * MarchDa0 ~chatzilla@151.66.129.123
1194455229 N * MarchDa0 Asmodeo
1194455474 J * igraltista_ ~jens@p4FD25AF7.dip.t-dialin.net
1194455539 M * Asmodeo Hi all
1194455574 M * daniel_hozac hello Asmodeo
1194455583 M * Asmodeo hello daniel
1194455596 M * Asmodeo I have a question about vserver on gentto
1194455604 M * Asmodeo gentoo
1194455605 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind
1194455647 M * Asmodeo I run vupdateword on my vserver today 
1194455661 M * Asmodeo and I got an error on the update of udev
1194455684 M * Asmodeo is udev supposed to be installed on a vserver or not?
1194455712 M * daniel_hozac it is definitely not required.
1194455715 J * grim1 ~ben@71-82-119-66.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com
1194455719 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1194455725 M * daniel_hozac but it might be pulled in via dependencies.
1194455731 M * Asmodeo so I can simply unmerged it, correct?
1194455799 M * Asmodeo I tried with equery depends udev and I did not get back any package
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1194455810 M * daniel_hozac so removing it should be fine.
1194455847 M * Asmodeo thanks a lot daniel I will try in this way than
1194456031 P * Asmodeo User is away.
1194456065 M * grim1 Hi there,  would anyone happen to know if  'setattr --barrier ...' is supposed to work on an ocfs2 filesystem in the current stable or devel versions?  
1194456100 M * grim1 that is, setattr --barrier /somemountpoint 
1194456111 M * daniel_hozac hmm... i think so.
1194456118 M * daniel_hozac i take it it doesn't?
1194456126 M * grim1 hangs indefinitely
1194456193 M * grim1 it works fine when my /vservers is ext3, but no dice with ocfs2 
1194456267 M * grim1 and setattr refuses to die 
1194456316 M * daniel_hozac does dmesg have anything interesting to say?
1194456329 M * grim1 nope
1194456372 M * faheem What is the reason that /tmp is a separate partition in a vserver?
1194456409 M * daniel_hozac i don't see any reason why it would hang indefinitely... what kernels are you running?
1194456461 M * grim1 2.6.22.12-vs2.3.0.29
1194456466 M * daniel_hozac faheem: performance. if you have 100 guests writing temporary files to the harddrive simultaneously... your I/O performance would suck.
1194456492 M * grim1 but I've tried with 2.2.0.5 as well
1194456493 M * daniel_hozac grim1: and that's what you're running everywhere? (i'm not sure how OCFS2 works, is there a server?)
1194456510 M * grim1 nope, it's distributed
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1194456526 M * daniel_hozac right, so all nodes are running the same kernel?
1194456529 M * grim1 right
1194456551 M * grim1 but this happens even when there are no other nodes running 
1194456581 M * daniel_hozac okay.
1194456590 M * daniel_hozac can you set things like immutable?
1194456604 M * faheem daniel_hozac: Ok, but don't understand how having /tmp as a separate partition helps. In my case, it is all one hard drive.
1194456612 M * grim1 strace stops at: 'vserver(0x26020001, 0, 0xbfda3248, 0xbfda36c4, 0x10000'
1194456621 M * daniel_hozac faheem: it's a tmpfs.
1194456634 M * daniel_hozac faheem: it's backed by RAM/swap.
1194456655 M * grim1 faheem: when it's unused it consumes no system ram
1194456675 M * faheem daniel_hozac: Oh, I see.
1194456702 M * daniel_hozac grim1: does chattr +i /somemountpoint do the same thing?
1194456819 M * grim1 it hangs as well, but that may be because the setattr is still running
1194456829 M * grim1 rebooting, one momeny
1194456865 M * daniel_hozac well, it should be exercising the same code paths.
1194456895 M * grim1 strace on the chattr stopped at ioctl(3, EXT2_IOC_SETFLAGS
1194456910 M * daniel_hozac right.
1194457008 M * grim1 if it's supposed to work, I'm stumped
1194457047 M * daniel_hozac well, something is obviously broken. let me look at the code.
1194457062 M * grim1 it it's not supposed to work, I can accept it an move on -- just wrap the vserver start/stop with mounting and umounting a volume 
1194457094 M * grim1 I had planned to allow vservers to be started on any node in the cluster
1194457194 M * grim1 having them all in one ocfs2 volume would be ideal with unification and whatnot, but separate ext3 volumes will work too
1194457298 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FDF3.dip.t-dialin.net
1194457441 M * daniel_hozac do you see a high CPU usage too, or does it just stall forever, not doing anything?
1194457447 M * grim1 doing nothing
1194457535 M * grim1 chattr +i works just find if done prior to trying setattr
1194457539 M * grim1 find=fine
1194457545 M * daniel_hozac oh yeah?
1194457553 M * grim1 yep
1194457579 M * daniel_hozac ah. yeah, it's a dead-lock.
1194457627 M * grim1 yeah?
1194457697 M * grim1 recently introduced?  or am I the only person in the world trying to run vservers on ocfs2
1194457700 M * grim1 ;)
1194457726 M * daniel_hozac IIRC we had someone test it when it was first developed, but that was a long time ago now...
1194457865 M * grim1 hrm... perhaps there are others running older kernels.  I'd hate to think I was the only one doing this
1194457883 M * grim1 it seems like a natural step
1194457892 M * daniel_hozac yes, it does.
1194457948 M * grim1 ocsf2 is nifty though. very low overhead 
1194457998 M * grim1 at least when compared to some of the other clustering fs's
1194458012 M * grim1 hard to beat purely local disk 
1194458144 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-ocfs2-fix01.diff
1194458152 M * grim1 wow
1194458206 M * daniel_hozac i haven't been able to test it yet, but it compiles.
1194458210 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1194458224 M * grim1 I'll try it and let you know
1194458230 M * daniel_hozac thank you!
1194458237 M * grim1 no, thank you!
1194458255 M * grim1 way too quick
1194458299 M * vserver daniel_hozac: what exatly is that ?
1194458313 M * grim1 I should have asked on monday when I first encountered it
1194458319 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194458322 M * daniel_hozac hopefully a fix for the issue grim1 is seeing.
1194458488 M * grim1 while I wait for it to boot up again, has anyone gotten newer ubuntu to work as a guest using upstart?  or is it best to stick with sysvinit?
1194458513 M * daniel_hozac i don't see why upstart wouldn't work, if you tell util-vserver how to start it
1194458556 M * daniel_hozac (assuming it doesn't just provide an /sbin/init, which would suffice)
1194458567 M * grim1 that's what it has
1194458585 M * grim1 but when I set style to plain, it doesn't actually run anything
1194458625 M * grim1 upstart runs everything in /etc/rcS.d first, then moves on to the runlevel in the kernel cmd line
1194458671 M * daniel_hozac well, in general, things in /etc/rcS.d don't need to be run in a guest.
1194458679 M * grim1 hostname, that's about it
1194458690 M * daniel_hozac hostname can be set with the utils.
1194458707 M * grim1 hrm, must have missed that
1194458733 M * grim1 I'd set the name in /etc/vservers/server/hostname , but that had no effect
1194458743 M * daniel_hozac i hope upstart uses the command line argument to tell which runlevel to use, since /proc/cmdline is hidden by default.
1194458754 M * daniel_hozac it's in /etc/vservers/<guest>/uts/nodename
1194458756 M * grim1 it does -- if the pid is 1
1194458778 M * grim1 if the pid is not 1, upstart just tries to signal the running init
1194458782 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
1194458792 M * grim1 ah, thanks
1194458823 M * grim1 could it just be that the pid trickery isn't working? 
1194458838 M * daniel_hozac it should be fine in 2.3.
1194458877 M * daniel_hozac 2.2 might be missing a patch related to the /proc-handling.
1194458907 Q * michal Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194458952 M * daniel_hozac i guess we need more information to properly debug it.
1194458986 M * grim1 sure
1194459015 M * grim1 though like you say, rcS is irrelevant
1194459071 M * grim1 there's a sysvinit compatibility layer that comes with upstart, so truly no worries if I can get hostname set from outside the vserver
1194459136 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk
1194459174 M * bonbons grim1: upstart has issues with unix sockets and PID
1194459212 M * grim1 the ioctl fix for ocfs2 worked 
1194459220 M * bonbons on unix sockets there is extra info passed over that indicates which process sent the data, and there the real pid of guest's init is recorded instead of '1' which the upstart tools expect
1194459245 M * bonbons I already stumbled on it - as daniel knows :)
1194459248 M * grim1 bonbons: aha, that makes sense then
1194459291 M * daniel_hozac ah, i didn't make the connection.
1194459295 M * bonbons if you did strace communication between upstart and it's "client" tool you would have seen it
1194459313 M * grim1 pid virtualization on the horizon? 
1194459322 M * bonbons I just saw grim1 mentionning upstart so I remembered
1194459339 J * michal ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1194459381 M * daniel_hozac grim1: oh, it worked? great!
1194459405 M * grim1 yep, works perfectly, thank you x1000
1194459430 M * grim1 now the fun begins
1194459432 M * bonbons hm, there is pid container in mainline now (2.6.24), so at worst it will be available on vserver when rebasing to 2.6.24
1194459461 M * daniel_hozac they haven't solved the UNIX socket issue either (yet).
1194459504 M * grim1 could be worse, at least there are numerous alternatives
1194459519 M * bonbons you're right, saw that passing by on LKML too
1194459792 M * daniel_hozac doesn't seem all that difficult to fix...
1194459805 M * daniel_hozac i remember it being much more convoluted than this.
1194460009 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1194460363 M * daniel_hozac bonbons: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-unixcred-fix01.diff it can't be this easy, can it?
1194460934 P * phx 
1194461757 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1194462407 Q * grim1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194462675 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: might be a good one (in the hope there are no similar ones hanging around)
1194462692 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
1194462784 M * daniel_hozac AFAICT, that's the only place sk_peercred is exported to userspace.
1194462874 J * grim1 ~ben@68-117-39-6.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com
1194462920 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194462926 M * bonbons and sk_peercred matches SCM_CREDENTIALS type that's included in recv_msg?
1194462948 M * daniel_hozac i think so? i'm not sure.
1194462958 M * bonbons according to stract that SCM_CREDENTIALS contains pid, uid and gid
1194462976 M * daniel_hozac right, that's a struct ucred.
1194462988 M * bonbons would have to try out to tell you if you hit the right one
1194463110 M * daniel_hozac hmm, you're right, SCM_CREDENTIALS uses its own code.
1194463290 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego.
1194463622 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.62.251
1194463654 Q * sannes Read error: Connection reset by peer
1194464374 Q * vserver Read error: Connection reset by peer
1194465105 J * Unnamed-KLBK- ~UnnamedKL@aaxy240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
1194465258 P * Unnamed-KLBK- Mówisz po polsku? Zapraszam na #polska_
1194465415 J * Unnamed-KLBK- ~UnnamedKL@aaxy240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
1194465625 J * DavidS ~david@p57A4A54A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1194465659 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.248.201
1194465859 P * Unnamed-KLBK- Mówisz po polsku? Zapraszam na #polska_
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1194466318 J * toidinamai ~frank@svenska.toidinamai.de
1194466440 J * Aiken ~james@ppp59-167-115-173.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net
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1194467174 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1194467260 M * PowerKe I just rebooted my server and reiserfs only shows ----ui- for files that were ----UI- before reboot
1194467278 M * PowerKe mounting with user_xattr or attrs doesn't bring the attributes back either
1194467295 M * PowerKe Anyone else using reiserfs?
1194468801 A * Supaplex steps back slowly from resiserfs
1194468818 J * greg_72 ~gergoe@82-77-96-59.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu
1194468850 M * DavidS *cheesy reiserfs joke omitted*
1194468919 M * PowerKe Hmm, seems like if you mount without attrs option, use showattr, it displays the wrong flags.
1194468936 M * PowerKe If you then mount -oremount,attrs it caches the old wrong options
1194468956 M * PowerKe rebooting, mounting with attrs and then using showattr shows the correct flags again
1194468994 M * daniel_hozac use umount; mount instead.
1194469020 M * greg_72 hi there, I was sent here from the xen channel. My aim is to set up a virtual server for my low-traffic web site because I would use my server mainly for development. Beside vserver openvz was recommended. I do not want to start a flamewar but how would you compare the two (vserver and openvz)? Xen was said as an overkill for this purpose
1194469021 M * PowerKe Since I had to restart all vservers, issuing a reboot is less work :)
1194469044 M * Supaplex -o remount !== umount+mount  :)
1194469104 M * grim1 vserver is tracking closer to the mainline kernel than openvz
1194469110 M * DavidS greg_72: vserver is available in debian's kernels. openvz is not
1194469156 M * greg_72 DavidS: I will use CentOS how about that one?
1194469183 N * DavidS BigDebianFan
1194469185 M * BigDebianFan greg_72: how would i know?
1194469188 N * BigDebianFan DavidS
1194469196 M * daniel_hozac greg_72: OpenVZ does more virtualization, whereas we use isolation as far as possible, thus achieving a lower overhead.
1194469239 M * daniel_hozac greg_72: as for CentOS, see e.g. http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_CentOS
1194469256 N * greg_72 RedHatBigot
1194469273 M * RedHatBigot sorry for the personal intrusion, DavidS
1194469280 N * RedHatBigot greg_72
1194469306 M * grim1 openvz has packages for centos 
1194469333 M * greg_72 thank you all for the answers
1194469334 M * daniel_hozac as do i ;)
1194469380 M * grim1 but openvz has no ocfs2 support :-)
1194469423 M * grim1 and everyone needs that
1194469452 M * DavidS greg_72: sorry, no offense taken
1194469575 M * faheem http://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/rca/from_out_there/from_zero_to_virtualization_linux_vserver_vs_openvz
1194469590 M * faheem Particularly liked the bit about funny Austrians... :-)
1194469632 M * faheem I assume they meant bertl. :-)
1194469645 M * greg_72 faheem: thanks, but please don't mock Austrians as I should revitalize our common defense system being Hungarian
1194469663 M * greg_72 :-)
1194469669 M * grim1 and don't forget that the openvz patch is 4x larger than vserver
1194469688 M * grim1 who knows what lurks in there
1194469737 M * faheem greg_72: I think the "funny Austrians" was meant as a compliment.
1194469815 M * greg_72 faheem: I tried to make a joke perhaps badly
1194469832 M * faheem greg_72: Yes, don't think I got it.
1194469906 M * faheem I recommend looking at the fsfe article. It's really quite funny.
1194469919 M * greg_72 faheem: I'm reading it
1194469922 M * faheem Quotable quotes...
1194470000 M * faheem I guess we just need someone to write The Linux-Vserver Bible (Illustrated Swimsuit Edition).
1194470228 J * adrien-modulis ~adrien@3-82-252-216-static.enter-net.com
1194470241 M * adrien-modulis hi everyone
1194470401 M * adrien-modulis one of my vserver needs to access to the sounds card; any idea of how I could do that ? thanks
1194471643 Q * greg_72 Quit: Leaving
1194471905 M * bonbons adrien-modulis: copy the matching devices files into your guest (beware of dynamic minors that ALSA can be configured to use - note that dmix may not work across guests/host)
1194472285 Q * igraltista_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1194472652 J * paula35 ~paula35@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr
1194472700 Q * paula35 
1194473044 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106
1194473082 P * Yvo 
1194473462 A * Supaplex checks the wiki for host parport0 axis
1194473818 M * DavidS i assume i have to restart vservers to get the runtime advantages of hashifying?
1194473840 J * liona29 ~liona29@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr
1194473927 Q * liona29 
1194474015 M * DavidS i.e. ram usage reduction through shared pages
1194474048 M * daniel_hozac or at least all the services in it :)
1194474602 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1194474636 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-ocfs2-fix01.diff
1194474713 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1194474725 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1194474739 M * DavidS daniel_hozac: thanks!
1194474740 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving.
1194474938 M * Supaplex litho:/etc/cups# ps axuww | fold | head -n 50 > /dev/lp0 ; ls -l /dev/lp0
1194474939 M * Supaplex -bash: /dev/lp0: No such device or address
1194474939 M * Supaplex crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 Nov  7 22:11 /dev/lp0
1194474974 M * Supaplex cups says "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..."
1194474989 M * Supaplex the lp module is loaded on the host
1194475001 M * Supaplex no similar device nodes on the host
1194475020 M * daniel_hozac and it is connected to the parallell port?
1194475026 M * Supaplex yes
1194475038 M * Supaplex hp5si. works fine on another box
1194475052 M * daniel_hozac using /dev/lp0?
1194475057 M * Supaplex exactly
1194475059 M * daniel_hozac is it on the motherboard?
1194475066 M * Supaplex yes, both cases
1194475069 M * daniel_hozac have you made sure it's enabled in the BIOS?
1194475078 M * daniel_hozac i.e. does the kernel detect the port when you load the module?
1194475086 M * Supaplex afaik yes, but I guess I'll reboot :(
1194475110 M * Supaplex let me double check.
1194475113 M * daniel_hozac dmesg should be able to tell you
1194475157 M * Supaplex Nov  7 15:16:43 riddle kernel: lp: driver loaded but no devices found
1194475159 M * Supaplex humm
1194475172 M * Supaplex I guess I'll reboot and double check. argh :p
1194475582 M * Supaplex ahh yes, twas a silly bios.
1194475597 A * Supaplex watches all the fs fsck
1194475657 J * mire_ ~mire@21-168-222-85.adsl.verat.net
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1194476062 J * fatgoose_ ~samuel@76-10-149-199.dsl.teksavvy.com
1194476188 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl
1194476210 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, why does ocfs2 lock the inode for attribute changes in the first place?
1194476391 M * daniel_hozac all the filesystems seem to do it, just in different places.
1194476419 M * daniel_hozac it performs a lot of checking and such.
1194476432 M * Bertl okay, this is to work around a CoW issue we introduced with the attribute fix, yes?
1194476461 Q * fatgoose Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1194476461 M * daniel_hozac hmm, that would probably show it too...
1194476476 M * daniel_hozac but actually, this made setattr --barrier <path> hang.
1194476520 M * Bertl interesting ... isn't the *_set_inode_attr() an exported method?
1194476527 M * daniel_hozac we're the one exporting it
1194476544 M * Bertl ah, right, that explains it
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1194477153 J * worzie ~warren@host-69-145-72-21.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net
1194477154 J * lola22 ~lola22@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr
1194477159 Q * FloodServ synthon.oftc.net services.oftc.net
1194477198 Q * lola22 
1194477223 M * worzie Bertl: I am close friend of dowdle.  He asked me to contact you.
1194477239 M * Bertl hey worzie!
1194477257 M * worzie his network has been severed today due to cut fiber somewhere nobody knows 
1194477279 M * Bertl ah, yeah, was expecting something like that
1194477280 M * worzie he asks if you give permission to publish interview
1194477305 M * worzie have you proofed unpublished version yet?
1194477312 M * Bertl I have a bunch of changes for him
1194477333 M * Bertl (minor stuff, but nevertheless)
1194477337 M * worzie very well... I will not publish and tell him this
1194477384 M * worzie I will get him on the phone to see if he has further questions
1194477415 M * Bertl he shall not worry, we will continue this when his network connection got better
1194477513 M * worzie dowdle asks if you have emailed him the changes already
1194477608 M * Bertl no, I was expecting to talk to him this evening, but I guess that is not an option now
1194477608 M * worzie Bertl: dowdle should be online in a couple hours from his home
1194477646 M * Bertl okay, I think I should be around a little longer ... will send something via email before I go to bed
1194477671 M * worzie dowdle says thank you
1194477673 M * worzie also
1194477694 M * worzie did you find the green sticker on your web cam package
1194477713 M * Bertl I haven't got home yet, so no, but I will check when I do
1194477824 M * worzie okay thanks for your time Bertl... hope he doesn't go stirr crazy without the Net... most borring day of work ever he says
1194477873 M * Bertl I can imagine that ... I still remember my last time where I was cut of for more than a few minutes :)
1194477919 Q * worzie Quit: ttyl
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1194479772 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FDF3.dip.t-dialin.net