1193444801 J * dowdle ~dowdle@67-42-174-141.blng.qwest.net 1193445412 Q * _gh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193446326 J * step40 ~step40@190.67.198.183 1193446341 M * step40 Hello everyone. 1193446388 M * step40 Does anybody know if it's possible to use edubuntu gutsy and multihead terminals? 1193446408 M * step40 Edubuntu gutsy using LTSP 1193446587 M * step40 Anyone?? 1193446697 M * dowdle step40: Is there a Linux-VServer question in there somewhere? 1193446883 M * dowdle bbl 1193446898 Q * dowdle Quit: Konversation terminated! 1193446948 J * dowdle ~dowdle@67-42-174-141.blng.qwest.net 1193447146 Q * step40 Quit: Ex-Chat 1193447788 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose 1193449733 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@c-67-169-199-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1193451553 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.220.122 1193453887 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1193454211 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193458120 J * danman_ danman@eliza.wigner.bme.hu 1193458120 Q * danman Read error: Connection reset by peer 1193461511 Q * rorem- Read error: Connection reset by peer 1193461762 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1193461863 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1193462096 Q * mattzerah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193462823 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.220.122 1193466821 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk 1193467815 N * ensc Guest80 1193467825 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4EBAB.dip.t-dialin.net 1193467922 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1193467935 Q * Guest80 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193468478 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk 1193468811 J * Julius ~julius@p57B244C4.dip.t-dialin.net 1193469785 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1193472038 J * mire ~mire@241-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1193472051 J * dna ~dna@129-241-dsl.kielnet.net 1193472917 J * DavidS ~david@p548112E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1193473924 Q * pmenier_off Quit: Konversation terminated! 1193475475 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193476028 J * DLange ~dlange@p57A32BAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1193476641 Q * derjohn Read error: No route to host 1193478108 J * click click@ti511110a080-5562.bb.online.no 1193478267 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193478304 Q * eyck Quit: leaving 1193478318 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl 1193478419 J * esa` ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it 1193479106 M * eyck hmm 1193479128 M * eyck I just tried upgrading to util-vserver 214, and it broke my systems 1193479339 M * eyck at least on amd 1193479589 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1193479590 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3 1193480355 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn185.rz.uni-mannheim.de 1193481216 M * waldi eyck: works here 1193481452 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193481475 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.42.51 1193481538 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.47.121 1193482126 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193482463 M * Primus_ eyck: provide us with more info, distro, an exact error. if its more then 3 lines please use: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/ 1193482952 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.52.50 1193483636 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.103.125 1193483817 Q * balbir Read error: Operation timed out 1193484782 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.44.199 1193485090 P * nospoonuser 1193485388 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1193485414 M * Bertl morning folks! 1193485417 M * Bertl Primus_: good work! 1193486212 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl! 1193486537 M * Bertl hey daniel_hozac! what's your conclusion regarding the CoW stuff? 1193486606 M * daniel_hozac i haven't gotten around to testing it yet, was just about to... 1193486666 N * phedny_ phedny 1193486754 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, np, was just curious ... 1193487640 J * cd cd@60.19.145.202 1193487871 Q * cd 1193488372 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1193488483 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1193489215 J * mire ~mire@241-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1193489480 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193489863 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving. 1193490068 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-160-170.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru 1193490072 Q * virtuoso Read error: Connection reset by peer 1193490366 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1193491473 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk 1193491672 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193491769 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4EBAB.dip.t-dialin.net 1193491801 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1193492083 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: what was the test-case, touching and relinking the same files over and over in two separate threads? 1193492147 M * Bertl something like that, the original test case was 1193492162 M * daniel_hozac http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6990 works fine. 1193492168 M * Bertl ln a b c d (expand) 1193492179 M * Bertl touch a b c & touch c b a 1193492187 M * daniel_hozac right. 1193492188 M * Bertl rinse and repeat 1193492223 M * Bertl okay, what about filesystem unmount? 1193492238 M * Bertl and fsck after that (just to make sure) 1193492297 M * daniel_hozac hmm, umount does not work, saying it's busy. 1193492327 M * Bertl so chances are good we kee a dentry or inode locked? 1193492335 M * daniel_hozac looks that way. 1193492371 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193492998 M * daniel_hozac in out_redo, before the path_lookup, shouldn't we path_release(&old_nd)? 1193493062 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving 1193493385 N * phedny Guest97 1193493393 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1193493440 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl 1193493694 M * daniel_hozac with that i can umount again, and fsck is clean. 1193493786 M * Bertl yep, sounds good 1193493792 Q * Guest97 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193494186 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.42.51 1193494204 Q * AStorm Quit: Leaving 1193494248 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl 1193494735 P * Yvo 1193495054 Q * AStorm Quit: Leaving 1193495066 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl 1193495924 J * quasisane ~sanep@c-76-118-191-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net 1193496072 Q * AStorm Quit: Bye, and thanks for all the fish! 1193496083 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl 1193496328 Q * AStorm 1193496793 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl 1193497352 Q * Julius Remote host closed the connection 1193499398 J * Julius ~julius@p57B244C4.dip.t-dialin.net 1193500061 J * igraltist ~user4@kasten-edv.de 1193500467 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1193500548 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk 1193501382 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193502662 J * Julius ~julius@p57B244C4.dip.t-dialin.net 1193502672 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.103.125 1193502913 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1193503037 J * dowdle ~dowdle@67-42-174-141.blng.qwest.net 1193503812 M * micah daniel_hozac: whats the status of gutting legacy from util-vserver? 1193503818 M * micah or rather the plan 1193504162 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1193504449 M * micah i want to remove it all :) 1193504545 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1193505889 M * micah daniel_hozac: please update your 20freshenvserverman.dpatch, I fixed some inconsistancies, also I wrote vserver-build(8) which can be found in the same directory (30createvserver-buildman.dpatch). This exposed some missing arguments in the Usage section of script/vserver-build, so I've altered that (and unashamedly yanked the legacy build method) in 40vserver-build.dpatch 1193506081 J * arachnist arachnist@088156184167.who.vectranet.pl 1193508169 M * daniel_hozac micah: -legacy has always been a separate package. 1193508248 M * eyck oh 1193508257 M * eyck so you people broke my systems tonight 1193508274 M * eyck when I tried upgrading util-vserver to 214 on production systems 1193508279 M * eyck thank you, thank you very much. 1193508319 M * micah eyck: you are welcome 1193508358 M * micah daniel_hozac: a different make target? 1193508367 M * daniel_hozac no, in the file list. 1193508380 M * daniel_hozac i.e. what the RPMs use. 1193508388 M * micah the spec file? 1193508410 M * daniel_hozac contrib/manifest.dat.pathsubst 1193508442 M * eyck Bertl: is this you plan to weed out and exterminate people trying to use vserver on production? 1193508469 M * micah eyck: maybe if you are more constructive, things may improve 1193508498 M * eyck I used to be, they didn't, 1193508505 M * micah daniel_hozac: is there a method to build without legacy support 1193508507 M * eyck and you seem quite happy with braking people's systems 1193508525 M * daniel_hozac just package management. 1193508539 M * micah eyck: why dont you start with explaining the issue 1193508553 M * daniel_hozac i never install the util-vserver-legacy package. 1193508736 M * daniel_hozac once i get around to writing the configuration library thingie, all of the legacy scripts can be removed as those configs could be supported via another backend. 1193508758 M * micah maybe eyck would like to work on that 1193508763 M * eyck micah: 0.30.214 is broken. 0.30.213 works, 0.30.212 works (but has it's bugs). tested on amd64. 1193508824 M * eyck regards, unhappy user. 1193508860 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1193508930 M * daniel_hozac do newlines in the man pages matter? 1193508945 M * daniel_hozac or does groff or whatever rearrange them anyway? 1193508948 J * ana30 ~ana30@ANantes-257-1-42-234.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr 1193509063 Q * ana30 1193509133 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1193509181 M * daniel_hozac okay, some experimentation makes me think they don't matter. 1193509244 M * micah eyck: can you be more descriptive of what is "broken"? 1193509457 M * daniel_hozac micah: do you have any idea how to force a new line? 1193509471 M * eyck micha: yes, it doesn't work. but you won't know until you restart your servers 1193509484 M * eyck very smart move, makes it hard to track the culprit 1193509491 M * Bertl eyck: hmm? 1193509500 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk 1193509512 M * micah eyck: more details please.... 1193509523 M * micah eyck: when you restart your servers, what happens? do you get an error? 1193509534 M * micah my guess is lack of static contexts 1193509630 M * eyck your kernel does not support network virtualisation 1193509754 M * eyck plus, how do you like that: 1193509754 M * eyck 0 54 261.4M 24.5M 7h19m36 1h07m44 8h34m11 root server 1193509754 M * eyck 1042 17 331.3M 70.4M 4m22s78 2m03s30 8h33m31 1193509767 M * eyck I already reported this 1193509784 M * eyck and you told me that I would need to help in creating patch.. which I did, 1193509789 M * eyck and now it's broken again. 1193509877 M * eyck Bertl: and you ask 'what is wrong with vserver..' pretending that you don't know. 1193510816 M * Bertl eyck: what do you mean? 1193510825 M * micah eyck: what kernel and patch are you using? 1193510945 M * daniel_hozac micah: heh, vserver-build(8) is documenting options i didn't even know existed :) 1193510961 M * micah daniel_hozac: same here, i learned a few things :) 1193510978 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1193510983 M * daniel_hozac hmm. --confdir doesn't exist here? 1193510997 M * daniel_hozac nevermind, wrong file... 1193511294 M * micah daniel_hozac: maybe you wont want to yank the legacy stuff out of vserver-build like I am doing in 40vserver-build.dpatch, but the options in there are wrong 1193511306 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1193511323 M * daniel_hozac (and no, i won't remove it) 1193511346 M * daniel_hozac (not that i think anyone is successfully using it... ;)) 1193511366 M * micah daniel_hozac: the build options presented in the script when you call help, forgets [--force] [--keep] [--rootdir ] 1193511381 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i'll get that part of it. 1193511400 M * daniel_hozac i'm just going through the man pages right now changing the markup to be more like other man pages. 1193511422 M * micah the other man pages are pretty out of date too 1193511438 M * daniel_hozac i'd be surprised if any of them are correct. 1193511476 M * micah if I re-write the others I will likely use the same markup as I did with these 1193511488 M * daniel_hozac please use something more consistent with the rest of the world. 1193511496 M * micah :D 1193511506 M * micah such as what? 1193511507 M * daniel_hozac i.e. \fB for literal things like commands options, and \fI for things that are to be replaced by the user. 1193511512 M * daniel_hozac +and 1193511632 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193511634 M * micah ok, i wasn't aware of that standard, but it seems right looking at some other ones 1193511674 M * daniel_hozac i just noticed something was off and looked at man bash... seems to be pretty consistent :) 1193511873 M * Bertl eyck: you complain about what exactly? 1193511930 M * Bertl eyck: I see you are using older tools (otherwise you won't see the host values on vserver-stat) and I have no idea what kernel you use, but most important, I do not see what issues you actually have? 1193512007 M * Bertl eyck: and stating things kile 'you broke my system' or such are quite useless 1193512020 M * Bertl s/kile/like/ 1193512750 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B25EFA.dip.t-dialin.net 1193512848 J * tanjix tanjix@77.37.25.239 1193512849 M * tanjix hello all 1193512900 M * Bertl hey tanjix! 1193512943 M * tanjix i maybe found a bug i will post a screenshot right now 1193512956 M * Bertl k 1193513031 M * tanjix www.server.cd/DSC00002.JPG 1193513064 M * tanjix this happens with 2.6.22.9-vs2.3.0.28 1193513087 M * Bertl can you reproduce it somehow? 1193513108 M * tanjix yes, everytime a start a rsync to copy guests it takes some minutes and the server freezes 1193513173 M * Bertl looks to me like an ext3 filesystem issue 1193513185 M * daniel_hozac run fsck 1193513187 M * tanjix i thought to a physical hardware damage (harddisk) but i replaced the disk and still get this 1193513200 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193513249 M * mjt child_rip? Hmm. 1193513283 M * mjt too bad the main info is not visible - as usual with all 2.6 kernel dumps... 1193513300 M * Bertl yeah, serial console is kind of mandatory 1193513319 M * mjt which is sad - before, scrolling worked just fine... 1193513322 M * tanjix unfortunately not avaialable :( 1193513360 M * mjt an option is to use 50x80 mode (50 lines on screen) 1193513384 M * micah daniel_hozac: I see that 'vps' is marked as legacy, is there a replacement? 1193513386 M * mjt i always forgetting which video mode it is 1193513418 M * daniel_hozac micah: that's the vps script, the vps program is the replacement. 1193513421 M * tanjix mjt: if you can tell me how to change this ? ;) 1193513432 M * mjt vga=xxx boot option 1193513442 M * Bertl mjt, tanjix: vga=ask 1193513448 M * tanjix in grub ? 1193513456 M * Bertl e.g. 1193513459 M * micah daniel_hozac: sorry, its just the @MANDIR@/*/vps.* that is marked as legacy 1193513469 M * mjt grub allows you to edit a command-line at runtime 1193513523 M * tanjix Bertl: grub says error 27: unrecgnzed command 1193513524 M * mjt ...IFF the necessary support is turned on in the kernel - video mode support, that is 1193513543 M * daniel_hozac micah: hmm, that looks very strange. 1193513558 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: you need to add it to the kernel command line. 1193513574 M * daniel_hozac micah: looks like a bug. 1193513617 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: ok thx now i got the list 1193513631 M * tanjix there is no 50x80 1193513645 M * daniel_hozac run scan. 1193513668 M * tanjix still no 50x80 1193513689 M * tanjix i only have lot of 80 x xx and 40x25 1193513729 M * daniel_hozac micah: http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/util-vserver/changeset/2631 thanks a lot for doing this! 1193513828 M * tanjix is it 80x50 instead ?! 1193513885 M * mjt 80x40, 80x43, 80x30, whatever 1193513891 M * mjt yes 1193513906 M * tanjix i've taken 80x43 now 1193513914 M * mjt anything larger than 80x25 1193513939 M * micah daniel_hozac: yeah, except the vps man page says its a wrapper around the ps command, which isn't really true now? 1193513954 M * daniel_hozac well, it is. 1193513958 M * micah ah, ok 1193513966 M * daniel_hozac it just adds the context columns 1193513981 M * micah i wonder when someone will add those to vtop 1193514005 M * daniel_hozac top is harder since it's interactive. 1193514010 M * tanjix ok doing rsync again now.. i am posting new snaopshot once problem came up again 1193514011 M * daniel_hozac it requires actually modifying the program. 1193514032 M * micah i'll probably do more man pages, although not this weekend 1193514032 M * daniel_hozac (rather than the filter-like activity vps performs) 1193514240 M * micah daniel_hozac: what is the svn url for svn.linux-v.o? I want to pull your man page adjustments 1193514252 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/trunk 1193514287 M * micah thanks 1193514514 M * tanjix ok, the server freezed again 1193514521 M * tanjix but not wit the new screen resolution 1193514532 M * tanjix still 80x25 output 1193514846 M * tanjix any ideas? 1193514871 M * daniel_hozac what did a forced fsck say? 1193514895 M * tanjix nothing... as is already said i replaced the harddisk. i had the problem with the old disk and the new too 1193514952 M * daniel_hozac and how did you copy the data from the old one to the new one? with rsync/cp? 1193514959 M * tanjix with rsync 1193514971 M * daniel_hozac and that worked fine? 1193514983 M * tanjix rsync works but during transfer the server frezes 1193515273 M * tanjix i checked all volumes again with fsck, no errors 1193515791 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-206-11.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1193516010 Q * tanjix 1193516020 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de 1193516356 M * tanjix nobody an idea? 1193516643 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego. 1193516667 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: capture the full oops. 1193516725 Q * julius_ Remote host closed the connection 1193517026 M * eyck Bertl: I'm complaining because this is not the first time something like this happens, stuff stops working and the response I get is "My system works" 1193517062 M * Bertl well, _nobody_ here _changed_ anything on your system except you, right? 1193517064 M * eyck Bertl: And I find failure mode : "No single error message, and then complete failure on restart" quite appalling 1193517116 M * eyck Bertl: and I'm not about this single problem, which I was called in to handle and is solved. I'm angered about whole production-hostile attitude 1193517120 M * Bertl besides that, if you want help, please provide the required information instead of complaining but not telling anything 1193517153 M * eyck Bertl: I can't provide you any info if tools don't provide any, unless you're asking for details 1193517158 M * Bertl eyck: then _please_ for gods sake, stop using Linux-VServer if you don't like it (or improve it) 1193517159 M * eyck and noone is interested in details 1193517177 M * eyck OK. 1193517183 M * Bertl eyck: both, mica and I asked several times now about your versions, no answer 1193517187 M * eyck if that's your answer on improving the situation 1193517199 M * eyck I have not been asked about my version once. 1193517215 M * Bertl then your IRC client is broken and should be replaced 1193517218 M * eyck and I provided it in the first place - 0.30.214 1193517230 M * Bertl check the online IRC logs for that 1193517248 M * Bertl 0.30.214 doesn't give the output you showed above 1193517302 M * Bertl (again, see IRC logs) 1193517319 M * eyck Bertl: 0.30.214 is 'older tools' ? 1193517342 M * Bertl no 1193517347 M * eyck Ok, I missed your question about kernel version 1193517394 M * eyck multiple versions, all based on 2.6.18, guys here checked if that's the kernel problem 1193517397 M * Bertl vserver-stat on 0.30.213 does _not_ list the host anymore 1193517406 M * Bertl *0.30.214 1193517411 M * eyck interesting, vserver 0.30.213 does 1193517416 M * Bertl yes 1193517418 M * eyck 0.30.214 doesn't 1193517435 M * Bertl so, where does the host line above come from, if you have 0.30.214? 1193517436 M * eyck and I filed a bug against 0.30.212 when it stopped showing host 1193517449 M * eyck and now, it's broken again 1193517458 M * eyck from 0.30.214 1193517463 M * Bertl besides that, what is your actual problem? 1193517488 M * eyck I would very much like it, i you'd stop making things worse 1193517506 M * eyck I had this strange idea that developing things should be about improving them 1193517510 Q * arachnist Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193517530 M * Bertl eyck: it is, and for whatever reason, for everybody else, things improve :) 1193517562 M * eyck well, when you ignore all signs to the contrary.. 1193517566 M * Bertl eyck: let me know _what_ got worse in the stable branch 1193517578 M * Bertl eyck: what regressions do you see? 1193517587 M * eyck Bertl: 0.30.214 doesn't start vservers after restart. 1193517619 M * Bertl eyck: util-vserver is daniel_hozac's realm, I do not interfere there, but guests start fine here after restart 1193517685 M * Bertl eyck: you are free to use Hollow's tools or build your own scripts based on the API (maybe even on vmcd) 1193517690 M * Bertl *vcmd 1193517713 M * eyck why would I? You're supporting daniel's way of handling things 1193517734 M * eyck I would be working only for myself, 1193517735 M * Bertl eyck: yes, because the tools _work_for_me_ :) 1193517739 M * eyck that's a waste of resources. 1193517753 M * eyck good for you. 1193517768 M * eyck why are you trying to make an impression that you care if you don't? 1193517772 M * Bertl eyck: when I find something which doesn't work, I report a bug, maybe including a fix 1193517791 M * Bertl eyck: care about what? 1193517817 M * eyck uh, don't know, vserver maybe, you're running a project here, aren't you? 1193517847 M * Bertl eyck: I'm maintaining the kernel part of Linux-VServer, yes 1193517888 M * eyck why? 1193517889 M * Bertl eyck: I also try to find folks helping with userspace (and sometimes kernel space) like daniel or Hollow 1193517910 M * Bertl eyck: mainly because I am using Linux-VServer? 1193517934 M * eyck how? 1193517934 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.214 has _one_ known bug, that only manifests itself when using dynamic contexts (deprecated for years, etc.). 1193517996 M * eyck Bertl: how are you using Linux-Vserver? 1193518012 M * Bertl eyck: for all kind of things, service separation, typical guest hosting, server consolidation, and much more ... 1193518038 M * Bertl eyck: with util-vserver and on some systems only with vcmd 1193518039 M * eyck Bertl: I find this quite puzzling, because I'm increasingly finding myself using it in ways that are not cared about 1193518050 M * Bertl eyck: like? 1193518064 M * eyck Bertl: like, you say that checkpointing is useless for vserver 1193518088 M * Bertl eyck: feel free to draft up some patches, I will surely look into them 1193518117 M * eyck Bertl: and I'm having hard time imagining someone not finding a use for checkpointing, yet puring loads of time to pursue questionable optimisations like COWlinks 1193518146 M * Bertl well, never had a usage scenario for checkpointing here 1193518147 M * eyck Bertl: I would, really, but my bugreports get ignored time and again 1193518164 M * eyck and I don't like working against everyone 1193518177 M * Bertl could you show me the last bug report (regarding kernel) or patch you sent to me or the ML? 1193518207 M * eyck I've had multiple problems with the tools 1193518222 M * eyck with kernel part I have no gripe 1193518239 M * Bertl so, what do you want from me then? 1193518262 M * Bertl or better, what do you expect me to do about your issues? 1193518307 M * eyck Bertl: well, aren't vserver-utils preferred way of interfacing with vserver? 1193518321 M * eyck if not - where can I find APIs or alternative tools 1193518346 M * Bertl if you want folks, like daniel_hozac or micah to fix stuff _for_ you (in their precious space time) then you should better be _very_ nice to them and help them wherever you can 1193518349 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net 1193518356 M * Bertl *spare 1193518360 M * micah (or pay us) 1193518382 M * micah but i require a very high pay if I am to endure abuse 1193518390 M * Bertl hehe 1193518403 M * eyck micah: wouldn't you first had to prove that you CAN in fact fix things? 1193518408 M * daniel_hozac eyck: usr/include/linux/vserver, http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/vcd 1193518444 M * eyck daniel_hozac: thanx 1193518459 M * daniel_hozac (sorry Hollow) 1193518472 M * eyck sorry Hollow? 1193518501 M * daniel_hozac he develops vcd :) 1193518513 M * micah eyck: from my perspective the hostile attitude you have described originates from you 1193518519 M * eyck this project is 5 month dead? 1193518537 M * Hollow no, it's not 1193518551 M * eyck micah: you're attaching wrong emotional tags. 1193518560 M * Hollow but neither did i say it is usable for production 1193518576 M * micah eyck: if I am, then you are as well 1193518609 M * eyck Hollow: fair enough 1193518632 M * eyck but then, neither are utils 1193518646 M * eyck although one can't argue with future goals 1193518656 M * Hollow well, i have running 214 everywhere .. works fine 1193518657 M * eyck but i'm still left without dependable tools 1193518666 M * eyck good for you. 1193518673 M * micah however, you are likely making overtime/pager time today for being calling in due to an outage for a commercial company that is making money off of those of us working for free on saturday 1193518684 M * micah or sunday, depending on your timezone 1193518708 M * eyck micah: good, and I'm the one who recommended the solution. 1193518719 M * eyck micah: and now who's looking stoopid to the board 1193518728 M * Bertl eyck: if you ask around, you will find that this channel is one of the friendliest and most helpful channels, so please, readjust your perspective 1193518742 M * eyck Bertl: to newbies. that's true. 1193518757 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: how? 1193518762 M * micah eyck: tell the board it is my fault because I have trouble working for free 1193518771 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: serial console/netconsole. 1193518780 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: not available :( 1193518792 M * eyck I'm not new, I'm using vserver, have been for years, and I find a lot of hostility 1193518794 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: make it available? 1193518807 M * eyck micah: so, go do something usefull with your time for a change 1193518814 M * micah eyck: I've seen you here for a while, and every time I have been surprised at the hostility that *you* bring to the channel 1193518815 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: how? just buying expensive things for capturing ?! 1193518837 M * micah to an otherwise friendly channel 1193518838 M * Bertl eyck: I would say, the only reason why you might look stupid is that you are promoting a solution, others built and for whatever reason you do not understand 1193518858 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: netconsole is a kernel feature, serial console just requires a null modem cable. 1193518863 M * eyck huh 1193518894 M * micah eyck: feel free not to use any of the work I do 1193518905 M * micah i'm not doing it for you 1193518908 M * eyck micah: good luck with doing the same with me 1193518926 A * Hollow opens a beer 1193518938 M * micah eyck: what do you mean? 1193518962 M * Bertl Hollow: careful, next time eyck will complain about _you_ drinking at work :) 1193518966 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: ok nullmodem cable is not possible as the server has no serial ports. and the kernel feature... is there a doc or something ? 1193518972 M * Hollow ah, damn it. 1193518974 M * Hollow :) 1193518976 M * eyck hehe, that explains it 1193518991 M * eyck few commits under influence, and there you have it. 1193518997 M * Bertl tanjix: no serial ports? sounds unusual? 1193519007 M * micah tanjix: google 'netconsole' first hit, or look in Documentation/netconsole in the linux source tree 1193519008 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt 1193519043 M * Bertl eyck: but as usual, I'm more for compromises and solutions, than for whining and complaining 1193519069 M * Bertl eyck: so you get two options now from me, listen closely and choose wisely 1193519072 M * eyck Bertl: fair enough. I want alternative tools, you're claiming that there's a clean API to kernel for doing that? 1193519158 M * Bertl eyck: a) you apologize to the folks you are constantly annoying and whining to, and start providing useful feedback and/or follow the suggestions carefully (and mark your 'comments' clearly as funny :) 1193519206 M * eyck my comments are almost always funny 1193519210 M * Bertl eyck: b) you continue with the current attitude and hostility, and become the first person to get banned on this channel 1193519211 M * eyck aren't they? 1193519221 M * eyck uh 1193519228 M * eyck now that's funny. 1193519234 M * eyck have fun. 1193519236 P * eyck 1193519346 M * micah i seem to remember eyck being told this before 1193519370 M * micah and then leaving like that, its like deja vu 1193519422 M * Bertl well, everybody has bad days ... the decision is his 1193519791 M * micah true, it seems like maybe a QA environment at his work would have kept such a failure from manifesting on the weekend 1193519813 M * micah i can understand being upset about having to go to work on the weekend 1193520322 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1193520607 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193520783 M * fb *sigh* 1193520804 M * fb why can't i have any troubles with Linux-VServer ;) 1193521157 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1193521158 M * tanjix another strange problem 1193521183 M * tanjix one server is not reachable from outside, but from the server i can do pings etc... dmesg is flooding me with s.t.h like: 1193521196 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1193521229 M * tanjix vxW: tag=71 did lookup hidden ffff810028ea2b68[#0,3] #/dev/pts/1 1/2 1193521238 M * tanjix where the last 1/2 is the char for 1/2 1193521399 M * tanjix i cannot ssh to this server, it does not reply to ping etc... but from the server itself i can do pings to google or others 1193521402 M * tanjix very strange 1193521404 M * tanjix any ideas? 1193521741 A * bzed was at work today, too *sigh* stupid not-working redundancy stuff :\ 1193521929 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: iptables? 1193521954 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: no 1193521960 M * tanjix none active 1193522003 M * daniel_hozac do you have access to another machine on the same network? 1193522010 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: yes 1193522023 M * daniel_hozac can that one ping/ssh to it? 1193522053 M * tanjix yes 1193522058 M * tanjix both is possible 1193522125 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: oh my god, i saw the error... one guest started its interface with a /8 prefix 1193522130 M * tanjix that caused the problem 1193522147 M * daniel_hozac ;) 1193522157 M * tanjix no idea why... but whatdoes the error above say? 1193522208 M * daniel_hozac the "did lookup hidden"? 1193522212 M * tanjix yes 1193522227 M * daniel_hozac it means a process in the guest with tag 71 looked up /dev/pts/1 which belongs to the host. 1193522239 M * tanjix so nothing to worry about ? 1193522248 M * daniel_hozac well, it was denied, so no. 1193522254 M * tanjix ok... 1193522259 M * daniel_hozac but you might want to figure out why it's doing that. 1193522284 M * tanjix and my other server finished rsync now, guests re running and it is still freezing with other messages on the console 1193523278 J * tanjix2 tanjix@77.37.25.239 1193523302 Q * tanjix2 1193523500 Q * tanjix Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1193523750 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de 1193524310 M * bzed tanjix: are you using a sparc box? 1193524858 J * oliwel ~chatzilla@ppp-62-245-210-77.dynamic.mnet-online.de 1193524886 M * oliwel hello everybody ;= 1193525294 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106 1193525570 M * Bertl hello oliwel! 1193525573 M * tanjix bzed: no 1193525658 M * oliwel Hi Bertl - just wanna let you know that I ALWAYS was happy with ypur support ;) 1193525708 M * oliwel read the post on the list and jumpde thru the IRC logs....I really understand and share your opinion 1193525784 M * oliwel So - if I am already managed to jump in - I might test your hospitality ;) 1193525839 M * oliwel how far is network-ng? I am thinking of moving another webserver to vserver but this one has 64 IPs - I guess this does not scale well with current tools.... 1193526087 M * Bertl should work fine with the devel branch 1193526099 M * Bertl i.e. you can do range and network mappings there 1193526117 M * Bertl and thanks for the support 1193526431 M * oliwel Bertl: can you recommend devel for a producition system ? 1193526679 M * Bertl well, it is not that tested, but I use it in production too 1193526685 M * oliwel hm 1193526697 M * oliwel so I need devel kernel and devel tools ? 1193526716 M * Bertl 0.30.214, yes 1193526728 M * oliwel 214 is devel ? 1193526760 M * Bertl IIRC, 0.30 was the last stable release for the tools 1193526779 M * Bertl and that was about two years ago 1193526810 M * Bertl so today everybody uses 'devel' tools 1193526811 M * oliwel sorry I dont get that... I am currently running 0.30.213 1193526816 M * oliwel so this is devel ? 1193526836 M * Bertl I think, correctly speaking that's experimental :) 1193526840 M * oliwel lol 1193526855 M * Bertl but ask daniel_hozac for the details of the numbering scheme there :) 1193526856 M * oliwel I am running that in production for a lifetime....seems to do the job 1193526869 M * bzed Bertl: hey, I'm still using stable stuff on production machines :P 1193526881 M * oliwel I just use my gentoo portage 1193526902 M * bzed well 1193526903 M * bzed or not 1193526911 M * bzed 0.30.213 << just realized I'm using backports... 1193526912 M * bzed ;) 1193526934 M * oliwel so hollow is cheating 1193526945 M * oliwel portage offers 0.30.214 currently ;) 1193526985 M * oliwel marked stable on x86 platforms 1193527011 M * oliwel do I need a special kernel, too ? 1193527044 M * Bertl don't know what the default kernel for gentoo is, but you need one of the 2.3.x kernels 1193527047 M * micah bzed: new backport pkg coming soon 1193527060 M * oliwel ok than its not the defauklt 1193527101 M * oliwel hm I am a bit scared using dev kernels 1193527124 M * oliwel if utils crash I can handle this but if the kernel oopses I have to jump into my car :( 1193527142 M * Bertl hehe, understandable ... 1193527175 M * oliwel anyway - gotta go for today, thx for the help and please keep on going...I really appreciate that stuff and this channel! 1193527257 M * Hollow i'm cheating all day 1193527258 M * Hollow ;) 1193527583 M * bzed micah: cool 1193527583 Q * emtty Read error: Connection reset by peer 1193527599 M * bzed micah: do you know if the fixed dietlib is in bpo allready? 1193527605 M * micah bzed: it is 1193527653 M * bzed good thing 1193527701 M * micah yeah, i've been poking the buildd maintainers to re-do util-vserver but they ahven't responded, no matter because I uploaded a new version today which will trigger it 1193527794 M * bzed micah: #dalug-farm is a good place to poke them ;) 1193527956 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1193528027 P * Yvo