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1193446326 J * step40 ~step40@190.67.198.183
1193446341 M * step40 Hello everyone.
1193446388 M * step40 Does anybody know if it's possible to use edubuntu gutsy and multihead terminals?
1193446408 M * step40 Edubuntu gutsy using LTSP
1193446587 M * step40 Anyone??
1193446697 M * dowdle step40: Is there a Linux-VServer question in there somewhere?
1193446883 M * dowdle bbl
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1193478419 J * esa` ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it
1193479106 M * eyck hmm
1193479128 M * eyck I just tried upgrading to util-vserver 214, and it broke my systems
1193479339 M * eyck at least on amd
1193479589 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1193479590 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
1193480355 J * Yvo yvonne@vpn185.rz.uni-mannheim.de
1193481216 M * waldi eyck: works here
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1193482463 M * Primus_ eyck: provide us with more info, distro, an exact error. if its more then 3 lines please use: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/
1193482952 J * balbir ~balbir@59.178.52.50
1193483636 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.103.125
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1193485090 P * nospoonuser
1193485388 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1193485414 M * Bertl morning folks!
1193485417 M * Bertl Primus_: good work!
1193486212 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl!
1193486537 M * Bertl hey daniel_hozac! what's your conclusion regarding the CoW stuff?
1193486606 M * daniel_hozac i haven't gotten around to testing it yet, was just about to...
1193486666 N * phedny_ phedny
1193486754 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, np, was just curious ...
1193487640 J * cd cd@60.19.145.202
1193487871 Q * cd
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1193488483 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1193489215 J * mire ~mire@241-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net
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1193490068 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-160-170.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
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1193492083 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: what was the test-case, touching and relinking the same files over and over in two separate threads?
1193492147 M * Bertl something like that, the original test case was
1193492162 M * daniel_hozac http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6990 works fine.
1193492168 M * Bertl ln a b c d (expand)
1193492179 M * Bertl touch a b c & touch c b a
1193492187 M * daniel_hozac right.
1193492188 M * Bertl rinse and repeat
1193492223 M * Bertl okay, what about filesystem unmount?
1193492238 M * Bertl and fsck after that (just to make sure)
1193492297 M * daniel_hozac hmm, umount does not work, saying it's busy.
1193492327 M * Bertl so chances are good we kee a dentry or inode locked?
1193492335 M * daniel_hozac looks that way.
1193492371 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193492998 M * daniel_hozac in out_redo, before the path_lookup, shouldn't we path_release(&old_nd)?
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1193493385 N * phedny Guest97
1193493393 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1193493440 J * AStorm ~astralsto@chello089077119117.chello.pl
1193493694 M * daniel_hozac with that i can umount again, and fsck is clean.
1193493786 M * Bertl yep, sounds good
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1193494735 P * Yvo
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1193503037 J * dowdle ~dowdle@67-42-174-141.blng.qwest.net
1193503812 M * micah daniel_hozac: whats the status of gutting legacy from util-vserver?
1193503818 M * micah or rather the plan
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1193504449 M * micah i want to remove it all :)
1193504545 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1193505889 M * micah daniel_hozac: please update your 20freshenvserverman.dpatch, I fixed some inconsistancies, also I wrote vserver-build(8) which can be found in the same directory (30createvserver-buildman.dpatch). This exposed some missing arguments in the Usage section of script/vserver-build, so I've altered that (and unashamedly yanked the legacy build method) in 40vserver-build.dpatch
1193506081 J * arachnist arachnist@088156184167.who.vectranet.pl
1193508169 M * daniel_hozac micah: -legacy has always been a separate package.
1193508248 M * eyck oh
1193508257 M * eyck so you people broke my systems tonight
1193508274 M * eyck when I tried upgrading util-vserver to 214 on production systems
1193508279 M * eyck thank you, thank you very much.
1193508319 M * micah eyck: you are welcome
1193508358 M * micah daniel_hozac: a different make target?
1193508367 M * daniel_hozac no, in the file list.
1193508380 M * daniel_hozac i.e. what the RPMs use.
1193508388 M * micah the spec file?
1193508410 M * daniel_hozac contrib/manifest.dat.pathsubst
1193508442 M * eyck Bertl: is this you plan to weed out and exterminate people trying to use vserver on production?
1193508469 M * micah eyck: maybe if you are more constructive, things may improve
1193508498 M * eyck I used to be, they didn't,
1193508505 M * micah daniel_hozac: is there a method to build without legacy support
1193508507 M * eyck and you seem quite happy with braking people's systems
1193508525 M * daniel_hozac just package management.
1193508539 M * micah eyck: why dont you start with explaining the issue
1193508553 M * daniel_hozac i never install the util-vserver-legacy package.
1193508736 M * daniel_hozac once i get around to writing the configuration library thingie, all of the legacy scripts can be removed as those configs could be supported via another backend.
1193508758 M * micah maybe eyck would like to work on that
1193508763 M * eyck micah: 0.30.214 is broken. 0.30.213 works, 0.30.212 works (but has it's bugs). tested on amd64.
1193508824 M * eyck regards, unhappy user.
1193508860 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1193508930 M * daniel_hozac do newlines in the man pages matter?
1193508945 M * daniel_hozac or does groff or whatever rearrange them anyway?
1193508948 J * ana30 ~ana30@ANantes-257-1-42-234.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr
1193509063 Q * ana30
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1193509181 M * daniel_hozac okay, some experimentation makes me think they don't matter.
1193509244 M * micah eyck: can you be more descriptive of what is "broken"?
1193509457 M * daniel_hozac micah: do you have any idea how to force a new line?
1193509471 M * eyck micha: yes, it doesn't work. but you won't know until you restart your servers
1193509484 M * eyck very smart move, makes it hard to track the culprit
1193509491 M * Bertl eyck: hmm?
1193509500 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-98.kollegiegaarden.dk
1193509512 M * micah eyck: more details please....
1193509523 M * micah eyck: when you restart your servers, what happens? do you get an error?
1193509534 M * micah my guess is lack of static contexts
1193509630 M * eyck your kernel does not support network virtualisation
1193509754 M * eyck plus, how do you like that:
1193509754 M * eyck 0 54 261.4M 24.5M 7h19m36 1h07m44 8h34m11 root server
1193509754 M * eyck 1042 17 331.3M 70.4M 4m22s78 2m03s30 8h33m31
1193509767 M * eyck I already reported this
1193509784 M * eyck and you told me that I would need to help in creating patch.. which I did,
1193509789 M * eyck and now it's broken again.
1193509877 M * eyck Bertl: and you ask 'what is wrong with vserver..' pretending that you don't know.
1193510816 M * Bertl eyck: what do you mean?
1193510825 M * micah eyck: what kernel and patch are you using?
1193510945 M * daniel_hozac micah: heh, vserver-build(8) is documenting options i didn't even know existed :)
1193510961 M * micah daniel_hozac: same here, i learned a few things :)
1193510978 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1193510983 M * daniel_hozac hmm. --confdir doesn't exist here?
1193510997 M * daniel_hozac nevermind, wrong file...
1193511294 M * micah daniel_hozac: maybe you wont want to yank the legacy stuff out of vserver-build like I am doing in 40vserver-build.dpatch, but the options in there are wrong
1193511306 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1193511323 M * daniel_hozac (and no, i won't remove it)
1193511346 M * daniel_hozac (not that i think anyone is successfully using it... ;))
1193511366 M * micah daniel_hozac: the build options presented in the script when you call help, forgets [--force] [--keep] [--rootdir
]
1193511381 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i'll get that part of it.
1193511400 M * daniel_hozac i'm just going through the man pages right now changing the markup to be more like other man pages.
1193511422 M * micah the other man pages are pretty out of date too
1193511438 M * daniel_hozac i'd be surprised if any of them are correct.
1193511476 M * micah if I re-write the others I will likely use the same markup as I did with these
1193511488 M * daniel_hozac please use something more consistent with the rest of the world.
1193511496 M * micah :D
1193511506 M * micah such as what?
1193511507 M * daniel_hozac i.e. \fB for literal things like commands options, and \fI for things that are to be replaced by the user.
1193511512 M * daniel_hozac +and
1193511632 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193511634 M * micah ok, i wasn't aware of that standard, but it seems right looking at some other ones
1193511674 M * daniel_hozac i just noticed something was off and looked at man bash... seems to be pretty consistent :)
1193511873 M * Bertl eyck: you complain about what exactly?
1193511930 M * Bertl eyck: I see you are using older tools (otherwise you won't see the host values on vserver-stat) and I have no idea what kernel you use, but most important, I do not see what issues you actually have?
1193512007 M * Bertl eyck: and stating things kile 'you broke my system' or such are quite useless
1193512020 M * Bertl s/kile/like/
1193512750 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B25EFA.dip.t-dialin.net
1193512848 J * tanjix tanjix@77.37.25.239
1193512849 M * tanjix hello all
1193512900 M * Bertl hey tanjix!
1193512943 M * tanjix i maybe found a bug i will post a screenshot right now
1193512956 M * Bertl k
1193513031 M * tanjix www.server.cd/DSC00002.JPG
1193513064 M * tanjix this happens with 2.6.22.9-vs2.3.0.28
1193513087 M * Bertl can you reproduce it somehow?
1193513108 M * tanjix yes, everytime a start a rsync to copy guests it takes some minutes and the server freezes
1193513173 M * Bertl looks to me like an ext3 filesystem issue
1193513185 M * daniel_hozac run fsck
1193513187 M * tanjix i thought to a physical hardware damage (harddisk) but i replaced the disk and still get this
1193513200 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193513249 M * mjt child_rip? Hmm.
1193513283 M * mjt too bad the main info is not visible - as usual with all 2.6 kernel dumps...
1193513300 M * Bertl yeah, serial console is kind of mandatory
1193513319 M * mjt which is sad - before, scrolling worked just fine...
1193513322 M * tanjix unfortunately not avaialable :(
1193513360 M * mjt an option is to use 50x80 mode (50 lines on screen)
1193513384 M * micah daniel_hozac: I see that 'vps' is marked as legacy, is there a replacement?
1193513386 M * mjt i always forgetting which video mode it is
1193513418 M * daniel_hozac micah: that's the vps script, the vps program is the replacement.
1193513421 M * tanjix mjt: if you can tell me how to change this ? ;)
1193513432 M * mjt vga=xxx boot option
1193513442 M * Bertl mjt, tanjix: vga=ask
1193513448 M * tanjix in grub ?
1193513456 M * Bertl e.g.
1193513459 M * micah daniel_hozac: sorry, its just the @MANDIR@/*/vps.* that is marked as legacy
1193513469 M * mjt grub allows you to edit a command-line at runtime
1193513523 M * tanjix Bertl: grub says error 27: unrecgnzed command
1193513524 M * mjt ...IFF the necessary support is turned on in the kernel - video mode support, that is
1193513543 M * daniel_hozac micah: hmm, that looks very strange.
1193513558 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: you need to add it to the kernel command line.
1193513574 M * daniel_hozac micah: looks like a bug.
1193513617 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: ok thx now i got the list
1193513631 M * tanjix there is no 50x80
1193513645 M * daniel_hozac run scan.
1193513668 M * tanjix still no 50x80
1193513689 M * tanjix i only have lot of 80 x xx and 40x25
1193513729 M * daniel_hozac micah: http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/util-vserver/changeset/2631 thanks a lot for doing this!
1193513828 M * tanjix is it 80x50 instead ?!
1193513885 M * mjt 80x40, 80x43, 80x30, whatever
1193513891 M * mjt yes
1193513906 M * tanjix i've taken 80x43 now
1193513914 M * mjt anything larger than 80x25
1193513939 M * micah daniel_hozac: yeah, except the vps man page says its a wrapper around the ps command, which isn't really true now?
1193513954 M * daniel_hozac well, it is.
1193513958 M * micah ah, ok
1193513966 M * daniel_hozac it just adds the context columns
1193513981 M * micah i wonder when someone will add those to vtop
1193514005 M * daniel_hozac top is harder since it's interactive.
1193514010 M * tanjix ok doing rsync again now.. i am posting new snaopshot once problem came up again
1193514011 M * daniel_hozac it requires actually modifying the program.
1193514032 M * micah i'll probably do more man pages, although not this weekend
1193514032 M * daniel_hozac (rather than the filter-like activity vps performs)
1193514240 M * micah daniel_hozac: what is the svn url for svn.linux-v.o? I want to pull your man page adjustments
1193514252 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/trunk
1193514287 M * micah thanks
1193514514 M * tanjix ok, the server freezed again
1193514521 M * tanjix but not wit the new screen resolution
1193514532 M * tanjix still 80x25 output
1193514846 M * tanjix any ideas?
1193514871 M * daniel_hozac what did a forced fsck say?
1193514895 M * tanjix nothing... as is already said i replaced the harddisk. i had the problem with the old disk and the new too
1193514952 M * daniel_hozac and how did you copy the data from the old one to the new one? with rsync/cp?
1193514959 M * tanjix with rsync
1193514971 M * daniel_hozac and that worked fine?
1193514983 M * tanjix rsync works but during transfer the server frezes
1193515273 M * tanjix i checked all volumes again with fsck, no errors
1193515791 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-206-11.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1193516010 Q * tanjix
1193516020 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de
1193516356 M * tanjix nobody an idea?
1193516643 Q * DLange Quit: Bye, bye. Hasta luego.
1193516667 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: capture the full oops.
1193516725 Q * julius_ Remote host closed the connection
1193517026 M * eyck Bertl: I'm complaining because this is not the first time something like this happens, stuff stops working and the response I get is "My system works"
1193517062 M * Bertl well, _nobody_ here _changed_ anything on your system except you, right?
1193517064 M * eyck Bertl: And I find failure mode : "No single error message, and then complete failure on restart" quite appalling
1193517116 M * eyck Bertl: and I'm not about this single problem, which I was called in to handle and is solved. I'm angered about whole production-hostile attitude
1193517120 M * Bertl besides that, if you want help, please provide the required information instead of complaining but not telling anything
1193517153 M * eyck Bertl: I can't provide you any info if tools don't provide any, unless you're asking for details
1193517158 M * Bertl eyck: then _please_ for gods sake, stop using Linux-VServer if you don't like it (or improve it)
1193517159 M * eyck and noone is interested in details
1193517177 M * eyck OK.
1193517183 M * Bertl eyck: both, mica and I asked several times now about your versions, no answer
1193517187 M * eyck if that's your answer on improving the situation
1193517199 M * eyck I have not been asked about my version once.
1193517215 M * Bertl then your IRC client is broken and should be replaced
1193517218 M * eyck and I provided it in the first place - 0.30.214
1193517230 M * Bertl check the online IRC logs for that
1193517248 M * Bertl 0.30.214 doesn't give the output you showed above
1193517302 M * Bertl (again, see IRC logs)
1193517319 M * eyck Bertl: 0.30.214 is 'older tools' ?
1193517342 M * Bertl no
1193517347 M * eyck Ok, I missed your question about kernel version
1193517394 M * eyck multiple versions, all based on 2.6.18, guys here checked if that's the kernel problem
1193517397 M * Bertl vserver-stat on 0.30.213 does _not_ list the host anymore
1193517406 M * Bertl *0.30.214
1193517411 M * eyck interesting, vserver 0.30.213 does
1193517416 M * Bertl yes
1193517418 M * eyck 0.30.214 doesn't
1193517435 M * Bertl so, where does the host line above come from, if you have 0.30.214?
1193517436 M * eyck and I filed a bug against 0.30.212 when it stopped showing host
1193517449 M * eyck and now, it's broken again
1193517458 M * eyck from 0.30.214
1193517463 M * Bertl besides that, what is your actual problem?
1193517488 M * eyck I would very much like it, i you'd stop making things worse
1193517506 M * eyck I had this strange idea that developing things should be about improving them
1193517510 Q * arachnist Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193517530 M * Bertl eyck: it is, and for whatever reason, for everybody else, things improve :)
1193517562 M * eyck well, when you ignore all signs to the contrary..
1193517566 M * Bertl eyck: let me know _what_ got worse in the stable branch
1193517578 M * Bertl eyck: what regressions do you see?
1193517587 M * eyck Bertl: 0.30.214 doesn't start vservers after restart.
1193517619 M * Bertl eyck: util-vserver is daniel_hozac's realm, I do not interfere there, but guests start fine here after restart
1193517685 M * Bertl eyck: you are free to use Hollow's tools or build your own scripts based on the API (maybe even on vmcd)
1193517690 M * Bertl *vcmd
1193517713 M * eyck why would I? You're supporting daniel's way of handling things
1193517734 M * eyck I would be working only for myself,
1193517735 M * Bertl eyck: yes, because the tools _work_for_me_ :)
1193517739 M * eyck that's a waste of resources.
1193517753 M * eyck good for you.
1193517768 M * eyck why are you trying to make an impression that you care if you don't?
1193517772 M * Bertl eyck: when I find something which doesn't work, I report a bug, maybe including a fix
1193517791 M * Bertl eyck: care about what?
1193517817 M * eyck uh, don't know, vserver maybe, you're running a project here, aren't you?
1193517847 M * Bertl eyck: I'm maintaining the kernel part of Linux-VServer, yes
1193517888 M * eyck why?
1193517889 M * Bertl eyck: I also try to find folks helping with userspace (and sometimes kernel space) like daniel or Hollow
1193517910 M * Bertl eyck: mainly because I am using Linux-VServer?
1193517934 M * eyck how?
1193517934 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.214 has _one_ known bug, that only manifests itself when using dynamic contexts (deprecated for years, etc.).
1193517996 M * eyck Bertl: how are you using Linux-Vserver?
1193518012 M * Bertl eyck: for all kind of things, service separation, typical guest hosting, server consolidation, and much more ...
1193518038 M * Bertl eyck: with util-vserver and on some systems only with vcmd
1193518039 M * eyck Bertl: I find this quite puzzling, because I'm increasingly finding myself using it in ways that are not cared about
1193518050 M * Bertl eyck: like?
1193518064 M * eyck Bertl: like, you say that checkpointing is useless for vserver
1193518088 M * Bertl eyck: feel free to draft up some patches, I will surely look into them
1193518117 M * eyck Bertl: and I'm having hard time imagining someone not finding a use for checkpointing, yet puring loads of time to pursue questionable optimisations like COWlinks
1193518146 M * Bertl well, never had a usage scenario for checkpointing here
1193518147 M * eyck Bertl: I would, really, but my bugreports get ignored time and again
1193518164 M * eyck and I don't like working against everyone
1193518177 M * Bertl could you show me the last bug report (regarding kernel) or patch you sent to me or the ML?
1193518207 M * eyck I've had multiple problems with the tools
1193518222 M * eyck with kernel part I have no gripe
1193518239 M * Bertl so, what do you want from me then?
1193518262 M * Bertl or better, what do you expect me to do about your issues?
1193518307 M * eyck Bertl: well, aren't vserver-utils preferred way of interfacing with vserver?
1193518321 M * eyck if not - where can I find APIs or alternative tools
1193518346 M * Bertl if you want folks, like daniel_hozac or micah to fix stuff _for_ you (in their precious space time) then you should better be _very_ nice to them and help them wherever you can
1193518349 J * ard ~ard@gw-tweakb16.kwaak.net
1193518356 M * Bertl *spare
1193518360 M * micah (or pay us)
1193518382 M * micah but i require a very high pay if I am to endure abuse
1193518390 M * Bertl hehe
1193518403 M * eyck micah: wouldn't you first had to prove that you CAN in fact fix things?
1193518408 M * daniel_hozac eyck: usr/include/linux/vserver, http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/vcd
1193518444 M * eyck daniel_hozac: thanx
1193518459 M * daniel_hozac (sorry Hollow)
1193518472 M * eyck sorry Hollow?
1193518501 M * daniel_hozac he develops vcd :)
1193518513 M * micah eyck: from my perspective the hostile attitude you have described originates from you
1193518519 M * eyck this project is 5 month dead?
1193518537 M * Hollow no, it's not
1193518551 M * eyck micah: you're attaching wrong emotional tags.
1193518560 M * Hollow but neither did i say it is usable for production
1193518576 M * micah eyck: if I am, then you are as well
1193518609 M * eyck Hollow: fair enough
1193518632 M * eyck but then, neither are utils
1193518646 M * eyck although one can't argue with future goals
1193518656 M * Hollow well, i have running 214 everywhere .. works fine
1193518657 M * eyck but i'm still left without dependable tools
1193518666 M * eyck good for you.
1193518673 M * micah however, you are likely making overtime/pager time today for being calling in due to an outage for a commercial company that is making money off of those of us working for free on saturday
1193518684 M * micah or sunday, depending on your timezone
1193518708 M * eyck micah: good, and I'm the one who recommended the solution.
1193518719 M * eyck micah: and now who's looking stoopid to the board
1193518728 M * Bertl eyck: if you ask around, you will find that this channel is one of the friendliest and most helpful channels, so please, readjust your perspective
1193518742 M * eyck Bertl: to newbies. that's true.
1193518757 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: how?
1193518762 M * micah eyck: tell the board it is my fault because I have trouble working for free
1193518771 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: serial console/netconsole.
1193518780 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: not available :(
1193518792 M * eyck I'm not new, I'm using vserver, have been for years, and I find a lot of hostility
1193518794 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: make it available?
1193518807 M * eyck micah: so, go do something usefull with your time for a change
1193518814 M * micah eyck: I've seen you here for a while, and every time I have been surprised at the hostility that *you* bring to the channel
1193518815 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: how? just buying expensive things for capturing ?!
1193518837 M * micah to an otherwise friendly channel
1193518838 M * Bertl eyck: I would say, the only reason why you might look stupid is that you are promoting a solution, others built and for whatever reason you do not understand
1193518858 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: netconsole is a kernel feature, serial console just requires a null modem cable.
1193518863 M * eyck huh
1193518894 M * micah eyck: feel free not to use any of the work I do
1193518905 M * micah i'm not doing it for you
1193518908 M * eyck micah: good luck with doing the same with me
1193518926 A * Hollow opens a beer
1193518938 M * micah eyck: what do you mean?
1193518962 M * Bertl Hollow: careful, next time eyck will complain about _you_ drinking at work :)
1193518966 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: ok nullmodem cable is not possible as the server has no serial ports. and the kernel feature... is there a doc or something ?
1193518972 M * Hollow ah, damn it.
1193518974 M * Hollow :)
1193518976 M * eyck hehe, that explains it
1193518991 M * eyck few commits under influence, and there you have it.
1193518997 M * Bertl tanjix: no serial ports? sounds unusual?
1193519007 M * micah tanjix: google 'netconsole' first hit, or look in Documentation/netconsole in the linux source tree
1193519008 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt
1193519043 M * Bertl eyck: but as usual, I'm more for compromises and solutions, than for whining and complaining
1193519069 M * Bertl eyck: so you get two options now from me, listen closely and choose wisely
1193519072 M * eyck Bertl: fair enough. I want alternative tools, you're claiming that there's a clean API to kernel for doing that?
1193519158 M * Bertl eyck: a) you apologize to the folks you are constantly annoying and whining to, and start providing useful feedback and/or follow the suggestions carefully (and mark your 'comments' clearly as funny :)
1193519206 M * eyck my comments are almost always funny
1193519210 M * Bertl eyck: b) you continue with the current attitude and hostility, and become the first person to get banned on this channel
1193519211 M * eyck aren't they?
1193519221 M * eyck uh
1193519228 M * eyck now that's funny.
1193519234 M * eyck have fun.
1193519236 P * eyck
1193519346 M * micah i seem to remember eyck being told this before
1193519370 M * micah and then leaving like that, its like deja vu
1193519422 M * Bertl well, everybody has bad days ... the decision is his
1193519791 M * micah true, it seems like maybe a QA environment at his work would have kept such a failure from manifesting on the weekend
1193519813 M * micah i can understand being upset about having to go to work on the weekend
1193520322 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1193520607 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193520783 M * fb *sigh*
1193520804 M * fb why can't i have any troubles with Linux-VServer ;)
1193521157 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving.
1193521158 M * tanjix another strange problem
1193521183 M * tanjix one server is not reachable from outside, but from the server i can do pings etc... dmesg is flooding me with s.t.h like:
1193521196 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1193521229 M * tanjix vxW: tag=71 did lookup hidden ffff810028ea2b68[#0,3] #/dev/pts/1 1/2
1193521238 M * tanjix where the last 1/2 is the char for 1/2
1193521399 M * tanjix i cannot ssh to this server, it does not reply to ping etc... but from the server itself i can do pings to google or others
1193521402 M * tanjix very strange
1193521404 M * tanjix any ideas?
1193521741 A * bzed was at work today, too *sigh* stupid not-working redundancy stuff :\
1193521929 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: iptables?
1193521954 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: no
1193521960 M * tanjix none active
1193522003 M * daniel_hozac do you have access to another machine on the same network?
1193522010 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: yes
1193522023 M * daniel_hozac can that one ping/ssh to it?
1193522053 M * tanjix yes
1193522058 M * tanjix both is possible
1193522125 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: oh my god, i saw the error... one guest started its interface with a /8 prefix
1193522130 M * tanjix that caused the problem
1193522147 M * daniel_hozac ;)
1193522157 M * tanjix no idea why... but whatdoes the error above say?
1193522208 M * daniel_hozac the "did lookup hidden"?
1193522212 M * tanjix yes
1193522227 M * daniel_hozac it means a process in the guest with tag 71 looked up /dev/pts/1 which belongs to the host.
1193522239 M * tanjix so nothing to worry about ?
1193522248 M * daniel_hozac well, it was denied, so no.
1193522254 M * tanjix ok...
1193522259 M * daniel_hozac but you might want to figure out why it's doing that.
1193522284 M * tanjix and my other server finished rsync now, guests re running and it is still freezing with other messages on the console
1193523278 J * tanjix2 tanjix@77.37.25.239
1193523302 Q * tanjix2
1193523500 Q * tanjix Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1193523750 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de
1193524310 M * bzed tanjix: are you using a sparc box?
1193524858 J * oliwel ~chatzilla@ppp-62-245-210-77.dynamic.mnet-online.de
1193524886 M * oliwel hello everybody ;=
1193525294 J * Yvo ~yvonne@91.64.217.106
1193525570 M * Bertl hello oliwel!
1193525573 M * tanjix bzed: no
1193525658 M * oliwel Hi Bertl - just wanna let you know that I ALWAYS was happy with ypur support ;)
1193525708 M * oliwel read the post on the list and jumpde thru the IRC logs....I really understand and share your opinion
1193525784 M * oliwel So - if I am already managed to jump in - I might test your hospitality ;)
1193525839 M * oliwel how far is network-ng? I am thinking of moving another webserver to vserver but this one has 64 IPs - I guess this does not scale well with current tools....
1193526087 M * Bertl should work fine with the devel branch
1193526099 M * Bertl i.e. you can do range and network mappings there
1193526117 M * Bertl and thanks for the support
1193526431 M * oliwel Bertl: can you recommend devel for a producition system ?
1193526679 M * Bertl well, it is not that tested, but I use it in production too
1193526685 M * oliwel hm
1193526697 M * oliwel so I need devel kernel and devel tools ?
1193526716 M * Bertl 0.30.214, yes
1193526728 M * oliwel 214 is devel ?
1193526760 M * Bertl IIRC, 0.30 was the last stable release for the tools
1193526779 M * Bertl and that was about two years ago
1193526810 M * Bertl so today everybody uses 'devel' tools
1193526811 M * oliwel sorry I dont get that... I am currently running 0.30.213
1193526816 M * oliwel so this is devel ?
1193526836 M * Bertl I think, correctly speaking that's experimental :)
1193526840 M * oliwel lol
1193526855 M * Bertl but ask daniel_hozac for the details of the numbering scheme there :)
1193526856 M * oliwel I am running that in production for a lifetime....seems to do the job
1193526869 M * bzed Bertl: hey, I'm still using stable stuff on production machines :P
1193526881 M * oliwel I just use my gentoo portage
1193526902 M * bzed well
1193526903 M * bzed or not
1193526911 M * bzed 0.30.213 << just realized I'm using backports...
1193526912 M * bzed ;)
1193526934 M * oliwel so hollow is cheating
1193526945 M * oliwel portage offers 0.30.214 currently ;)
1193526985 M * oliwel marked stable on x86 platforms
1193527011 M * oliwel do I need a special kernel, too ?
1193527044 M * Bertl don't know what the default kernel for gentoo is, but you need one of the 2.3.x kernels
1193527047 M * micah bzed: new backport pkg coming soon
1193527060 M * oliwel ok than its not the defauklt
1193527101 M * oliwel hm I am a bit scared using dev kernels
1193527124 M * oliwel if utils crash I can handle this but if the kernel oopses I have to jump into my car :(
1193527142 M * Bertl hehe, understandable ...
1193527175 M * oliwel anyway - gotta go for today, thx for the help and please keep on going...I really appreciate that stuff and this channel!
1193527257 M * Hollow i'm cheating all day
1193527258 M * Hollow ;)
1193527583 M * bzed micah: cool
1193527583 Q * emtty Read error: Connection reset by peer
1193527599 M * bzed micah: do you know if the fixed dietlib is in bpo allready?
1193527605 M * micah bzed: it is
1193527653 M * bzed good thing
1193527701 M * micah yeah, i've been poking the buildd maintainers to re-do util-vserver but they ahven't responded, no matter because I uploaded a new version today which will trigger it
1193527794 M * bzed micah: #dalug-farm is a good place to poke them ;)
1193527956 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1193528027 P * Yvo