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1192324639 M * Supaplex let's see if I can assign a dummy interface to a guest, and setup bridging to selectively pass traffic for two specific stations between lan and dummy.
1192324712 M * daniel_hozac you realize there's no way to assign interfaces to guests, right?
1192324743 M * Supaplex humm
1192324792 M * Supaplex I want to setup a limited dhcp server that only responds to the router (in the event my firmware update is botched)
1192324822 M * Supaplex eg, netbooting a dhcp server :P nuts...
1192329148 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-69-153.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net
1192329860 M * Supaplex so far so good.
1192329861 M * Supaplex riddle:/var/lib/vservers# vserver squid-gl build -m rsync -- --source li:/tmp/squid-gl/ -o "--bwlimit=1024" -o -avP -o --exclude=/dev
1192333188 J * |pmenier| ~kvirc@ACaen-152-1-7-194.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1192347339 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-61.kollegiegaarden.dk
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1192348320 J * larsivi ~larsivi@101.84-48-201.nextgentel.com
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1192352781 N * |pmenier| pmenier
1192353163 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-172-170.cust.tele2.fr
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1192354100 J * oliwel ~chatzilla@ppp-82-135-9-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de
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1192354156 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1192354213 J * oliwel ~chatzilla@ppp-82-135-9-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de
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1192355528 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-61.kollegiegaarden.dk
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1192358461 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1192360292 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1192360363 M * AStorm hello. I always keep forgetting where to look for newest devel versions
1192360660 J * dna ~dna@177-229-dsl.kielnet.net
1192360951 Q * nebuchadnezzar Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)
1192362772 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1192362931 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1192362939 M * Bertl morning folks!
1192362957 M * JonB hey Bertl 
1192362963 M * Bertl AStorm: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/
1192363329 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1192363385 J * Federico2 ~Federico2@net84-253-136-096.mclink.it
1192363393 M * Federico2 hi there
1192363440 M * Bertl welcome Federico2!
1192363449 M * Federico2 tnx Bertl 
1192363506 M * Federico2 cat I use vserver as a "stronger" root jail, sharing the same o.s. with the host?
1192363584 M * daniel_hozac you mean you want to use the same filesystem for the guests and the host?
1192363635 M * Federico2 as much as possible
1192363638 M * Federico2 (o
1192363655 M * Federico2 (obviously not for /var /tmp etc ;) )
1192363672 M * Federico2 bbl
1192363685 M * JonB Federico2: i dont think it is a good idea to share the root system with a guest
1192363701 M * JonB Federico2: the guest can be in a subdir in the root systems filesystem
1192363704 M * AStorm yeah, though you can try CoW
1192363730 Q * nebuchadnezzar Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)
1192363735 M * AStorm vserver already is a stronger root jail :-)
1192363738 M * JonB the root system should be as minimalistic as possible, just enough to manage uests
1192363992 M * JonB guests
1192364019 J * Piet_ ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1192364029 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1192364098 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.225.22
1192364206 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1192364273 M * Bertl Federico2: nevertheless it is possible, even in a secure way :)
1192364393 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection
1192364460 M * AStorm Bertl: thanks, someone should make a link at 13thfloor to this dir
1192364507 M * Bertl it's not hard to find, google knows all about it :)
1192364579 M * AStorm except I always try and miss ;P
1192364619 M * AStorm is 2.6.23 vserver fully functional now, or still missing CPU limiter?
1192364718 M * Bertl still missing a lot .. 2.6.23 is a completely different kernel compared to 2.6.22
1192364790 M * AStorm yeah, scheduler, namespaces
1192365090 M * eyck as usual for 2.6.x series
1192365428 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1192365506 M * AStorm eyck: not that usual
1192365511 M * AStorm it was quiet since 2.6.11
1192365740 M * Bertl the good news is, I'm almost done fixing the network issues we had since saturday
1192365753 M * Bertl so I should be able to work on 2.6.23 quite soon
1192365760 M * eyck yeah, sure, only 2.6.19 was totally different then 2.6.18, and then 2.6.21 was a completely new game, and i'm only following since 2.6.18 because previous incarnations wouldn't even boot on half of my machines
1192365784 M * eyck good work! 
1192365799 M * eyck good news everyone?
1192366317 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.225.22
1192366318 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1192366453 M * AStorm eyck: nope
1192366519 M * AStorm another new gotcha will be in 2.6.24 - i386 and x86_64 have been joined
1192366529 M * AStorm meaning a lot of renames
1192366876 P * friendly12345 
1192366922 M * Federico2 I'm back
1192366943 M * Federico2 JonB, why do you think it's not a good idea?
1192367098 M * JonB Federico2: extra security
1192367115 M * JonB Federico2: and besides a root system can be very small
1192367149 M * Federico2 the root system could be very small, but then I'll have to waste more space for the hosts ;)
1192367200 M * Federico2 btw, how can this be more secure?
1192367284 M * JonB Federico2: well, you cant share /dev can you?
1192367290 M * Federico2 my intention is to save space, should I use hashify?
1192367303 M * JonB Federico2: yes, hashify between guests
1192367313 M * Federico2 but not across guest and host?
1192367335 M * JonB Federico2: you can not share root/host /dev with a guest
1192367341 M * JonB you can neither share /etc
1192367363 M * JonB /var/log is not a good idea either
1192367367 M * JonB that leaves /usr
1192367370 M * Federico2 yep
1192367377 M * JonB but /usr on the root/host can be VERY small
1192367387 M * JonB so why bother to make a special setup?
1192367407 M * Federico2 then I'll move all the needed service to the hosts
1192367422 M * Federico2 leaving a really small host
1192367427 M * Federico2 err s/hosts/guests/
1192367449 M * JonB Federico2: yes, put _ALL_ services to guests
1192367457 M * JonB host/root should only run SSH
1192367484 M * JonB but you should also run ssh on every guest, and use ssh to manage the guests
1192367493 M * Federico2 this needs more work than just building a sort of super-jail
1192367505 M * JonB why does it need more work?
1192367547 M * Federico2 setting up VMs with their IP addresses, users, ssh and logging daemons
1192367558 M * JonB also, try not to access a guests file from the inside of the root/host system, because this can leave you vulnerable to console based attacks
1192367587 M * JonB Federico2: the setup and some maintaince might be more time consuming
1192367616 M * JonB but if you have totally seperate services you can run diferent linux distributions, and you can upgrade only some of them
1192367642 M * JonB Federico2: suppose you have services that uses conflicting "support software"
1192367644 M * Federico2 yup, but that's overkill for my setupt
1192367646 M * Federico2 setups
1192367655 M * JonB Federico2: one of them mysql, one other postgress sql
1192367661 M * Bertl Federico2: you do not need to make it complete or complicated
1192367688 M * JonB Federico2: what is your setup, and if you do not want to reap the benefits of linux-vserver, why then run it?
1192367694 M * Bertl Federico2: if you are fine with jailing stuff, you can do that too
1192367745 M * JonB Federico2: if you want to automate security, here's what you can do
1192367745 M * Federico2 I already use different kinds of VMs like vmware and virtualbox when I need to run a completely different system
1192367761 M * JonB Federico2: 1) notice a security upgrade.
1192367767 M * JonB Federico2: 2) shutdown vserver guest
1192367774 M * JonB Federico2: 3) clone vserver guest
1192367775 M * Federico2 on the other hand, I got interested in vserver for lightweight uses
1192367781 M * JonB Federico2: 4) upgrade vserver clone
1192367798 M * JonB 5) if anything goes wrong, revert to original vserver guest
1192367809 M * Federico2 sure 
1192367814 M * JonB Federico2: your setup might grow in the future
1192367841 M * Federico2 the fourth never happens with Debian ;)
1192367861 M * Bertl hehe, lol
1192367861 M * Federico2 it happens on windoze system, where vmware is used
1192367888 M * JonB Federico2: how many users do you have?
1192367978 M * Federico2 the only users are system administrators - normal users cannot access the servers directly
1192367984 M * Federico2 I mean, using ssh
1192368015 M * JonB Federico2: i did not mean ssh or administrators
1192368019 M * Bertl makes perfect sense, folks tend to forget about the variety of applications for Linux-VServer ... hosting is only one of them
1192368027 M * JonB Federico2: what services are you going to run?
1192368070 M * Federico2 JonB, various tipical services, like postix, spam filtering, databases, web servers
1192368085 M * Federico2 the number of users may vary from tenth to one hundred
1192368122 M * Federico2 of course I'm not going to put the most critical servers under vserver at first ;)
1192368143 M * JonB Federico2: if possible, one service pr. vserver
1192368151 M * Federico2 not because I'm not trusting vserver itself
1192368185 M * JonB Federico2: pr. vserver guest, because it's easier to overview a system with only one service, and to upgrade that
1192368191 M * Federico2 one service per server IFF the service has no dependancies to other services
1192368224 M * JonB even for the same domain, www and mail does not have to share a vserver guest
1192368254 M * Federico2 yep, but www-php-mysql should be on the same, I guess
1192368291 M * JonB Federico2: about mysql... even if you tell mysql to bind to 127.0.0.1 in vserver stable, then it binds to the ip address of the ethernet device
1192368292 M * Federico2 http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/vserver-debiantools
1192368295 M * Federico2 huh, nice
1192368301 M * Federico2 There are tools to create and duplicate a virtual server. There is also a tool to strip a copy of a normal debian installation from hardware dependent things.
1192368310 M * JonB Federico2: so, either firewall mysql or tell it to skip-networking
1192368350 M * Federico2 better skipping networking
1192368380 M * JonB Federico2: well, i run some php programs that wants networking :-(
1192368401 M * Federico2 go for 127.0.0.1 + firewall :)
1192368417 M * JonB Federico2: guests has no 127.0.0.1 in vserver stable
1192368422 M * Bertl Federico2: please stay away from those tools
1192368436 M * Federico2 no loopback? whi?
1192368440 M * Federico2 why?
1192368453 M * Bertl Federico2: all the debiantools will bring you is trouble and pain
1192368476 M * Federico2 eww
1192368477 M * Bertl Federico2: all the features described there are already in util-vserver in a more general way
1192368503 M * Bertl they do not need to be debian specific and more important, they are not outdated or obsoleted
1192368528 M * Bertl Federico2: instead, get the util-vserver 0.30.214 from backports
1192368578 M * Federico2 found it, thanks
1192368605 M * Bertl np, check out 'vserver - build --help'
1192368651 M * Federico2 yep
1192369398 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1192371173 J * bastiaan_ ~bastiaan@sh.vhl.welmers.net
1192371179 Q * bastiaan3 Read error: No route to host
1192371498 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: re the device mapping: are we going to stick with the one-hash-for-all-guests? because if we are, i should add the necessary code to util-vserver to remove the entries when stopping a guest.
1192371608 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1192371645 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: for now it sounds like a good idea
1192371669 M * daniel_hozac okay, will do.
1192371677 M * daniel_hozac i also think we should expose it in /proc somehow.
1192371701 M * Bertl yep
1192371726 M * daniel_hozac one global file with all entries, or global for the globals and per-xid files for locals?
1192371746 M * epicbjorn what is vserverdir/.pkg supposed to contain?
1192371783 M * epicbjorn (getting a "pkgcfgbase-dir '/services/vservers/.pkg' does not exist or is invalid" while trying to delete a vserver)
1192371841 M * daniel_hozac external package management data.
1192371865 M * epicbjorn mine is empty.
1192371917 M * daniel_hozac which means that you're not using external package management.
1192371943 Q * JonB Quit: vacation :-D
1192371961 M * epicbjorn correct. and what would be the correct way to tell util-vserver that so that it'll let me delete my vserver?
1192372036 M * daniel_hozac well, that message is more of a "the directory i created doesn't exist. what did you do?" kind of thing.
1192372073 M * daniel_hozac i.e. just creating /services/vservers/.pkg would make it work.
1192372091 M * epicbjorn nah, it's there already
1192372093 M * epicbjorn just empty
1192372115 M * daniel_hozac is it a directory?
1192372163 A * epicbjorn blushes
1192372170 M * epicbjorn nope. thanks.
1192372222 M * epicbjorn I thought i'd try a gentoo vserver for once
1192372729 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.249.183
1192373072 M * epicbjorn ok so i got it running. new question. now the thing keeps rebooting all the time, what's up with that?
1192373117 M * Hollow epicbjorn: which stage did you use?
1192373122 M * epicbjorn 3
1192373125 Q * ntrs__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1192373127 M * Hollow from where?
1192373147 M * epicbjorn http://mirror.gentoo.no/releases/x86/current/stages/stage3-i686-2007.0.tar.bz2
1192373152 M * Hollow wonÄt work
1192373157 M * epicbjorn :(
1192373161 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.231.237
1192373165 M * epicbjorn which one should I use?
1192373169 M * Hollow use these: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~hollow/stages/
1192373181 M * Hollow they contain baselayout-2 which supports vserver natively
1192373183 M * daniel_hozac (referred to from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/vps/vserver-howto.xml)
1192373196 M * daniel_hozac (and http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Gentoo)
1192373240 M * daniel_hozac actually, the latter seem to be rather outdated.
1192373258 M * Hollow yeah, both need a bit love ...
1192373535 M * epicbjorn gah now i'm having the same problem about not being able to remove /dev/pts, /tmp and /proc after removing a vserver
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1192373858 J * ntrs ~ntrs@79.125.235.24
1192374525 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@79.125.235.24
1192374673 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@79.125.251.8
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1192376939 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1192377087 Q * hparker Quit: peer reset by connection
1192377123 J * adrien-moduli1 ~adrien@216.252.77.185
1192377642 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1192377792 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-062-239-062.pools.arcor-ip.net
1192377871 M * Bertl welcome ftx!
1192378212 A * epicbjorn suddenly realizes he should never have left gentoo.
1192378263 Q * ntrs__ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1192378272 A * epicbjorn does emerge -udpv, reads, and takes that back
1192378294 J * ntrs ~ntrs@79.125.239.51
1192378370 P * adrien-moduli1 
1192378375 J * adrien-moduli1 ~adrien@216.252.77.185
1192378466 M * adrien-moduli1 Hi everyone
1192378527 M * Bertl hey adrien-moduli1!
1192378527 M * adrien-moduli1 I'm sure the question has already been asked, but is there any chance that vserver make it to the mainstream kernel ?
1192378535 M * adrien-moduli1 hi bertl
1192378548 M * Bertl yes, we consider it 0.0017 % atm
1192378594 M * adrien-moduli1 what do you mean by "0.0017 % atm"
1192378620 M * Bertl that's the estimated change right now (well a few seconds ago)
1192378624 M * Bertl *chance
1192378657 M * adrien-moduli1 ok !
1192378743 M * adrien-moduli1 a lot of virtualization patch are going into the kernel recently, kvm, xenguest, lguest... is there any reason technical why vserver won't ?
1192378764 M * Bertl yes, it is much to light weight for mainline ...
1192378898 M * adrien-moduli1 has someone of the community tried to push it yet to the mainstream ? 
1192378911 M * adrien-moduli1 because I've read about lguest, it's very new, very dumb
1192378918 M * adrien-moduli1 and it made it into
1192378933 M * Bertl some tried, yes, but it's more a political game
1192378984 M * adrien-moduli1 so someone has to know torvald...
1192378987 M * Bertl take for example the 'secure computing' addition
1192379019 M * adrien-moduli1 yes ?
1192379084 M * Bertl well, it was added by Andrea basically overnight,
1192379095 M * Bertl it is enabled by default in every recent kernel, and it is
1192379104 M * Bertl ... absolutely useless :)
1192379125 M * Guy- is that the 'compute untrusted bytecode' thing?
1192379131 M * Bertl yep
1192379152 M * Guy- I had been wondering about that...
1192379196 M * Bertl so the question is, was it added because of public demand?
1192379217 M * Bertl or, was it added because Linus considered it a really good innovation?
1192379230 M * Bertl (after all, it's his tree :)
1192379263 M * Bertl adrien-moduli1: what do you think?
1192379303 M * hparker Sounds to me kinda like cfs vs ck
1192379323 M * adrien-moduli1 well I think what goes into the kernel either comes from inside or from the "big" (ibm, redhat...)
1192379338 M * adrien-moduli1 or maybe I'm wrong and only Linux decide
1192379343 M * adrien-moduli1 *linus
1192379445 M * Bertl so, now let ask me a question: why do you care if Linux-VServer is in mainline or not?
1192379472 M * adrien-moduli1 because I'm lasy
1192379509 M * adrien-moduli1 would safe the patch and recompile time
1192379561 M * Bertl i.c. so, it's not enough that you get great software for free, you also want to avoid any efford :)
1192379581 M * adrien-moduli1 and vserver community might increase, because it would be really easy to start a vserver from any linux computer
1192379589 M * adrien-moduli1 yes that's basically it :-)
1192379610 M * hparker some distros make it easy
1192379623 M * adrien-moduli1 I know, it's very easy with debian
1192379625 M * Bertl yes, get a distro with Linux-VServer kernels, be done
1192379678 M * adrien-moduli1 well, I also think that it will increase the community size and with more people, comes more help
1192379718 M * Bertl like with xen, right?
1192379803 M * adrien-moduli1 well I'm not that familiar with xen, but I know that a lot of companies contributed to create xen tools
1192379836 M * Bertl ah, right, companies ... 
1192379939 M * adrien-moduli1 well people contributed
1192379940 M * eyck hmm, well, if vserver would help openvz people fix their networking, you might get what you want from openvz
1192380319 M * adrien-moduli1 well, I'm fine with vserver thanks :-)
1192380339 M * adrien-moduli1 I've just read an article about openvz and mainstream
1192380378 M * adrien-moduli1 someone argue that if two much virtualization goes into the mainstream kernel it might create incompatibilities, do you think so too ? (http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174265&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=14497502)
1192380552 M * adrien-moduli1 Bertl, you are right, it is political..
1192381811 M * daniel_hozac using slashdot as a source of information... :)
1192381932 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4ED49.dip.t-dialin.net
1192383051 M * AStorm Bertl: actually, this "secure computing" is just syscall control
1192383059 M * AStorm quite a nice thing, but mostly unused
1192383065 M * AStorm maybe except Seti@home or similar
1192383082 M * Bertl it is blocking everything but the already opened I/O channels
1192383093 M * Bertl it doesn't make much sense in real world apps
1192383098 M * AStorm yep
1192383107 M * AStorm exactly
1192383119 M * AStorm as the attacker has a window of time anyway
1192383130 M * AStorm it's much like seteuid
1192383130 M * AStorm when the app runs as root
1192383140 M * AStorm (or setuid)
1192383838 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.9.172
1192383840 M * rgl hi
1192383851 M * Bertl wb rgl!
1192383872 M * rgl hi Mr. Bertl :-D
1192383929 Q * pmenier Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/
1192383941 Q * adrien-moduli1 Quit: Leaving.
1192384737 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl
1192384767 M * onox I get "/usr/lib64/util-vserver/functions: line 778: `pkgmgmt.guessStyle': not a valid identifier" when using baselayout-2
1192384773 M * onox is this a known issue?
1192384783 M * daniel_hozac are you using util-vserver 0.30.214?
1192384805 Q * ftx Read error: Connection reset by peer
1192384830 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-255-114.pools.arcor-ip.net
1192384835 M * onox daniel_hozac: svn
1192384842 M * onox updates some days ago
1192384848 M * onox s/updates/updated
1192384853 M * daniel_hozac which initscript?
1192384863 M * onox vservers.default
1192384900 M * onox i'll try remerge util-vserver
1192384903 M * daniel_hozac that doesn't even source anything.
1192385042 A * rgl humm new kernel over the weekend hehe
1192385064 M * AStorm which version of baselayout 2?
1192385164 M * onox daniel_hozac: function pkgmgmt.guessStyle has () at the end
1192385169 M * onox other function do not have this
1192385174 M * onox maybe that's the problem?
1192385183 M * daniel_hozac it doesn't matter.
1192385189 M * daniel_hozac it's the . it's complaining about.
1192385215 M * daniel_hozac just to make sure, the configure script detected your system as Gentoo, right?
1192385245 M * onox ./configure?
1192385247 M * onox don't know
1192385249 M * onox i'll check later
1192385252 M * onox i have to go now
1192385254 Q * onox Quit: bye
1192385633 M * AStorm daniel_hozac: AFAICR bash functions can't have . in their names
1192385647 M * daniel_hozac bash can, POSIX sh cannot.
1192385649 M * AStorm Gentoo had to work it around once, wrt net.<devicename> scripts
1192385656 M * AStorm mhm
1192385670 M * daniel_hozac which is why the Gentoo initscripts are written to only use POSIX sh.
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1192399232 J * pbryan ~pbryan@S010600095baae0ff.vf.shawcable.net
1192399303 M * pbryan How much of Linux-Vserver is now in the mainstream kernel?
1192399320 M * Bertl roughly 17.34%
1192399326 M * pbryan lol
1192399338 M * pbryan Was that high precision with less accuracy? ;)
1192399355 M * AStorm exactly 17.3141592%
1192399356 M * Bertl yeah, off by +/- 90% :)
1192399365 M * pbryan So, roughly 82.66% remains to be incorporated in the kernel:
1192399383 M * AStorm a bit more, actually
1192399385 M * pbryan Is that likely?
1192399433 M * Bertl yes, we consider it 0.0017 % a few hours ago
1192399467 M * Bertl (full integration, of course :)
1192399468 A * pbryan rattles head.
1192399492 M * AStorm Bertl: don't user namespaces count as part of Linux VServer or not?
1192399495 M * AStorm s/or not//
1192399518 M * Bertl well, yes and no, actually they are more a step in the wrong direction
1192399543 M * Bertl but probably nobody will notice :)
1192399547 M * AStorm really?
1192399624 M * Bertl let's put it this way, there is isolation and virtualization
1192399632 M * sid3windr containerization!
1192399634 M * sid3windr buzzword deluxe
1192399646 M * Bertl natrually virtualization involves adding an additional layer
1192399678 M * Bertl note: every cs probelm can be solved by adding another layer of indirection :)
1192399693 M * pbryan Heh.
1192399815 M * Bertl we have the 'functionality' user spaces provide for a few years now
1192400113 M * Bertl pbryan: btw, why do you care if Linux-VServer is included in mainline or not?
1192400143 M * pbryan Bertl: It's always easier having it in the baseline rather than patching.
1192400163 M * pbryan Debian builds Vserver into their kernels, so no fuss no muss.
1192400168 M * Bertl so you are one of those lazy folks which feed on the work of others :)
1192400170 M * pbryan But not the same with other distros.
1192400183 J * AstralS ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1192400190 Q * AStorm Remote host closed the connection
1192400198 M * pbryan Well, I do feed off the work of others in areas I am not thrilled with doing so myself.
1192400199 N * AstralS AStorm
1192400207 M * pbryan I like to think I contribute back in other ways.
1192400214 M * pbryan Like, say, harassing those on this channel!
1192400235 M * Bertl i.c. ...
1192400263 M * AStorm pbryan: that last point doesn't work it seems
1192400266 M * pbryan Come to think of it, don't we all?
1192400282 M * pbryan AStorm: Indeed. I need practice.
1192400283 M * AStorm I tried harassing them for 2 months for a 2.6.23 patch
1192400291 M * AStorm :>
1192400292 M * pbryan Heh.
1192400324 M * pbryan Hmm, I'm still on 2.6.21.
1192400326 M * pbryan Ancient!!
1192400330 M * AStorm got one, but not due to harassing ;/
1192400336 M * pbryan Heh.
1192400558 A * pbryan just added Linux-Vserver to Ohloh.
1192400566 M * pbryan Is there a CVS/SVN repository I can point it to?
1192400595 M * AStorm nope
1192400598 M * pbryan Okay.
1192400599 M * AStorm only experimental dir ;>
1192400604 M * pbryan NP.
1192400609 M * Bertl new patches are made available on http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental
1192400704 J * fb_ fback@red.fback.net
1192400718 M * Bertl wb fb_!
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1192401724 M * Bertl okay, off for today ... have a good one everyone! cya!
1192401732 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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