1191283345 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com
1191283907 M * MooingLemur something changed where a sigwinch doesn't properly traverse into a vserver when I've entered it.
1191283928 M * Bertl changed where and when?
1191283943 M * MooingLemur changed on my system through a gentoo upgrade or a vserver kernel upgrade :)
1191283950 M * MooingLemur I'm trying to narrow it down
1191283960 M * Bertl i.c. did it get better? :)
1191283966 M * MooingLemur it broke
1191283967 M * MooingLemur :)
1191283975 M * MooingLemur oh. I just thought of something
1191283996 M * MooingLemur would CONFIG_VSERVER_PRIVACY affect that?
1191284029 M * Bertl hmm, might be, depends on the scenario
1191284066 M * MooingLemur I ssh into the host.. it works fine, I do vserver blah enter, and I run something like vi /etc/crontab.  I expand my xterm and vim never gets the WINCH
1191284100 M * MooingLemur I exit out of the vserver, resize the window, and then reenter the vserver, and it now knows my new size
1191284144 M * Bertl sounds more like a tool issue, but if you only updated the kernel
1191284378 M * MooingLemur I'm not sure how the window size change traverses the layers.  So I'm wondering if the privacy thing disallows a signal from a pty created by the host to get to the app in the guest.
1191284411 M * MooingLemur I guess I'll recompile without it and find out :)
1191284738 M * hparker MooingLemur: istr someone discussing that in #gentoo-vserver on freenode... But, it didn't affect me atm so I went on 
1191284783 M * MooingLemur that channel's been so quiet lately.. heh
1191285007 M * hparker that's one of like 2 conversations I remember in recent history ;) But I think it was with Hollow 
1191285341 J * _Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1191285447 Q * Hunger Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191286559 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
1191289342 M * Bertl m_stone: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/OLPC/delta-vsOLPC.0.4.6.diff
1191289364 M * Bertl jffs2 works fine with that and succeeds in all -xy tests
1191289381 M * Bertl testfs.sh-0.18 -txy -Z -D /dev/mtd0 -F jffs2
1191289408 M * Bertl (which means that the splice is working fine too)
1191289487 J * sladen_ ~paul@starsky.19inch.net
1191289509 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. if you need anything please let me know (will address it tomorrow morning)
1191289519 M * Bertl have a good one everyone! cya!
1191289525 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1191289583 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191290739 M * m_stone daniel_hozac: ping
1191290823 Q * nospoonuser Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1191296303 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.30.192
1191298177 Q * |jmcaricand|_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/
1191300607 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg1-20.kollegiegaarden.dk
1191301079 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1191303420 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1191304833 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34
1191305611 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1191306017 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-139-72.cust.tele2.fr
1191306031 M * jmcaricand x
1191306130 Q * JonB Quit: Leaving
1191306450 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19
1191306742 M * matti Morning folkes! :)
1191306764 M * JonB hi
1191306898 M * jmcaricand hi
1191306925 M * Radiance hiya all
1191307010 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1191307113 Q * ex 
1191308071 N * _Hunger Hunger
1191309523 Q * sladen_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191309659 M * matti :)
1191309665 J * dna ~dna@p54BCD75B.dip.t-dialin.net
1191309746 Q * hparker Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191310030 M * jmcaricand Does someone use nfs server on a guest ?
1191310050 M * JonB no
1191310065 M * JonB but i read that running a nfs server inside a client requires patches
1191310076 M * JonB inside a guest requires client patches
1191310150 M * jmcaricand or use nfs server in userspace ...
1191310153 M * JonB vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): Bad address
1191310169 M * JonB jmcaricand: possibly
1191310183 M * JonB but... i think thats slow, and nfs v2 only
1191310195 M * jmcaricand :-(
1191310247 M * JonB i dont like NFS, or samba 
1191310288 M * JonB but neither is optimal
1191310397 M * JonB Bertl_zZ + daniel_hozac: i still get vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): Bad address
1191310397 M * JonB 'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting...
1191310950 J * the007killer ~the007kil@60.242.138.31
1191311224 J * Daniel15 ~daniel@adsl.daniel15.com
1191311498 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1191313554 J * the009killer ~the007kil@61.29.2.98
1191313922 Q * the007killer Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191313922 N * the009killer the007killer
1191314219 Q * Punkie Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]
1191314229 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso
1191314804 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-249-108.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1191315308 J * pmenier ~pmenier@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1191315422 J * the009killer ~the007kil@60.242.138.31
1191315777 Q * the007killer Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191315777 N * the009killer the007killer
1191316546 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1191316551 M * Bertl morning folks!
1191316568 M * fb morning Bertl :)
1191316608 M * Bertl JonB: what kernel version are we talking about again?
1191316634 J * nospoonuser ~nospoonus@n18-241.dsl.vianetworks.de
1191316646 M * JonB Bertl: yesterday was 2.6.22.6-vs2.2.0.3, today is 2.6.22.9-vs2.2.0.3
1191316684 M * Bertl why not vs2.2.0.4? :)
1191316705 M * JonB Bertl: because it was not ready when i started yesterday
1191316740 M * Bertl okay, fair enough, let me check what could cause Bad address
1191316764 M * Bertl maybe upload the output of 'vserver-info -SYSINFO' to paste.linux-vserver.org?
1191316963 M * JonB will do
1191316974 M * JonB i downloaded the test.sh script you have uop there
1191316978 M * JonB is that worth running?
1191316996 M * Bertl sure
1191317057 M * Bertl if you do, please upload the output too (to pastebin)
1191317455 M * JonB dkserver:~# vserver-info -SYSINFO
1191317456 M * JonB Unknown option `-S'.
1191317456 M * JonB Try 'vserver-info --help' for more information.
1191317582 M * daniel_hozac vserver-info - SYSINFO
1191317623 M * Bertl my fault, sorry 
1191317685 M * JonB okay
1191317727 M * JonB http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6832
1191318128 M * JonB this is the last part of output from a build process http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6833
1191318170 M * JonB testme.sh http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6834
1191318217 M * JonB i am in the process of compiling 2.6.22.9-vs2.2.0.4
1191318242 M * daniel_hozac ah, it means it's in the process of shutting down.
1191318409 M * Bertl yes, that or the argument passed was wrong
1191318495 M * daniel_hozac well, given the context, it seems likely that the context was being shut down.
1191318514 M * daniel_hozac (hmm, two very conflicting uses of context in the same sentence is confusing...)
1191318596 M * Bertl well, two very conflicting uses of context in the same context would be even more confusing :)
1191318610 M * daniel_hozac hehehe
1191318705 M * JonB so, you want me to edit context.next to be really high?
1191318712 M * JonB so it is unsued
1191318723 M * daniel_hozac no, it has nothing to do with that.
1191318737 M * JonB okay
1191318759 M * Bertl the guest is shutting down at some point (unexpectedly)
1191318768 M * JonB okay
1191318774 M * Bertl (so far the theory, at least :)
1191318799 M * JonB i am also trying to compile original 214, to replace the debian sid 214 i have installed
1191318877 M * JonB i seems like backports now also have a 214
1191319790 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving.
1191321192 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191321290 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp3-038.ethz.ch
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1191323336 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@192.38.8.25
1191325229 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1191326735 J * Julius ~julius@p57B26E17.dip.t-dialin.net
1191327209 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B27D7B.dip.t-dialin.net
1191327638 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191329159 J * jmcarica` ~user@d77-216-228-154.cust.tele2.fr
1191329538 Q * jmcaricand Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191329681 M * Bertl off for a nap .. back later ...
1191329691 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1191329802 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1191330035 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1191330165 J * yang yang@yang.sponsor.oftc.net
1191330185 M * yang I am wondering about sshfs (fuse), does it require mknod to function ? and I guess this is not possible on VPS systems? Is there a way to mount a remote FS on a VPS?
1191330217 M * FaUl you neeed mount-capabilitys and /dev/fuse 
1191330300 M * yang FaUl: well i just did aptitude install sshfs and it complained about mknod not able to create
1191330307 M * FaUl yea
1191330326 M * yang So, there is still some work arund this?
1191330329 M * FaUl you need to create the fuse-device from the host
1191330330 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp3-161.ethz.ch
1191330344 M * yang ah on the root-server?
1191330368 M * FaUl yea
1191330374 M * yang damn, i dont access it :/
1191330387 M * FaUl /vservers/<name>/dev/fuse for me here
1191330394 M * yang not on this VPS where i want to mount the fs:(
1191330394 M * FaUl yang: maybe just ask the admin?
1191331442 Q * yarihm Read error: No route to host
1191331454 M * yang FaUl: I am trying to mount a new FS to the VPS ....I just need fuse permissions on client side, or on both sides?
1191331493 M * daniel_hozac client, of course.
1191331500 M * daniel_hozac server-side it's just another sftp client.
1191331526 M * yang cool
1191331531 M * yang so i guess its possible
1191331702 M * FaUl on the client
1191331898 M * yang well no....If I want a new FS to mount to my VPS i have to run sshfs on the VPS and connect with it to a remote server (which has a free disk available)
1191331910 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1191331954 M * yang But i dont think I can run sshfs becouse of this mknod error, I don't have /dev/fuse
1191331980 M * daniel_hozac that's right.
1191331985 M * yang i must do what FaUl suggested ask the admin to create fuse device for this VPS
1191332029 M * yang ok, I guess I am stuck then
1191332057 M * yang I am having VPS with some company which still runs 2.4 kernel
1191332241 M * yang i doubt they would update anytime soon
1191333463 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1191333467 M * Bertl back now ..
1191333514 M * Chr0nicles wb
1191333599 M * Bertl yang: also note that IMHO allowing a guest to use fuse is not safe
1191334054 M * FaUl Bertl: whats exactly the problem on that/
1191334078 M * Bertl well, fuse is a kernel interface for userspace filesystems
1191334112 M * Bertl we also know, that filesystems are kind of problematic if the underlying medium or the filesystem itself is damaged
1191334127 M * Bertl (i.e. that can lead to all kind of DoS or even kernel panic)
1191334173 M * Bertl now the fuse interface, IMHO is an excellent point to abuse this 
1191334260 M * ktwilight hm, in what way?
1191334409 M * Bertl by providing wrong/incomplete/inconsistant filesystem data for example, or by simply delaying userspace response
1191334495 M * ktwilight would only happen when a particular fuse version is not stable? or...?
1191334508 M * Bertl well, you know where fuse comes from?
1191334513 M * ktwilight technically, no.
1191334566 M * Bertl basically it is one of the 'test' and 'play' projects started and maintained by erez zadok
1191334592 M * Bertl (the eCryptfs is also based on his work, to some extend)
1191334628 M * Bertl and while it is perfectly fine to have that for teaching or learning ... nobody ever showed that fuse would be safe or stable
1191334633 M * ktwilight so basically, fuse is fundamentally flawed in some respects?
1191334669 M * Bertl I'm not saying that, but if I were an attacker, I would try to utilize something like fuse :)
1191334678 M * ktwilight ah
1191334699 M * ktwilight well, will take some time to research more on this :)
1191335069 Q * ktwilight Quit: dead
1191335613 M * pmenier Hi Bertl: can't always ping from the guest with 2.3.0.26 but works fine with 2.2.0.4... Really don't understand..
1191335818 M * Bertl give me an example where you cannot ping, show me the 'ip addr ls' info inside the guest and the output of the ping command
1191335949 M * pmenier http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6837
1191335994 M * pmenier http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6838  with ip addr ls
1191336065 M * Bertl hmm, what if you do:
1191336078 M * Bertl ping -I 192.168.1.192 192.168.1.192
1191336103 M * pmenier within the guest ?
1191336106 M * Bertl yep
1191336142 M * pmenier same result : ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
1191336168 M * Bertl okay, please do 'strace -fF -o ping.trace ping -c 1 192.168.1.192'
1191336175 M * Bertl then upload the ping.trace file
1191336356 M * pmenier http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6839
1191336401 M * Bertl and now please do the same on the setup where it works
1191336433 M * pmenier i must reboot. Just a minute...
1191336460 M * Bertl np, take your time
1191336533 M * pmenier when i stop vserver it tells me : vxW: !!! limit: ffff810008410080[VM,9]=189 on exit
1191336548 M * Bertl okay
1191336637 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191336702 M * pmenier http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6840  (with vs2.2.0.4)
1191336800 M * Bertl okay, let's double check a few things, I think daniel_hozac provided the essential clue yesterday
1191336816 J * falcon0 ~falcon0@lor34-1-82-240-237-243.fbx.proxad.net
1191336832 M * Bertl we moved the RAW_ICMP from process context capabilities to network context capabilities
1191336839 M * Bertl welcome falcon0!
1191336849 M * falcon0 hello 
1191336853 M * Bertl pmenier: what util-vserver version do you use?
1191336860 M * pmenier 0.30.213
1191336923 M * Bertl okay, could you go back to the 2.3.x kernel and check the following:
1191336962 M * pmenier rebooting :)
1191336979 M * Bertl tail -2 /proc/virtnet/<nid>/status
1191337005 M * Bertl (where <nid> is the network context id of your guest, which is usually identical to the process context)
1191337050 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, could we add some simple tools to show and maybe lateron, explain) the status or info for a given guest name?
1191337092 M * pmenier Flags:  0000000406000300     NCaps:  0000000000000000
1191337107 M * Bertl ah, here we go, the 0x100 is missing in the NCaps
1191337120 M * Bertl if you upgrade your tools to 0.30.214, you should be fine
1191337158 M * pmenier ok thanks. I try it now
1191337172 M * Bertl as usua, let us know how it goes ...
1191337185 M * pmenier ok i compil it now and try
1191337196 M * Bertl you are using debian?
1191337206 M * pmenier yes
1191337217 M * Bertl IIRC, 0.30.214 appeared in backports today/yesterday
1191337231 M * pmenier but i always your tools 
1191337241 M * pmenier s/always/always use/
1191337246 M * Bertl feel free to compile them yourself :)
1191337275 M * pmenier yes i know but hey install tools in different directories than mine. So i should have to relook all config
1191337303 J * kir_home ~kir@81.5.101.166
1191337342 M * Bertl pmenier: that's a good point for compiling it yoursef
1191337381 M * pmenier yes i prefer and it's a good way to learn more
1191337381 M * pmenier even for a newbie :)
1191337411 M * Bertl of course, sorry for suggesting the prebuilt packaged :)
1191337476 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@19.92-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1191337506 M * Bertl wb ktwilight! kir_home!
1191337514 M * ktwilight :)
1191337560 M * pmenier no pb :)
1191337758 M * pmenier Bertl: you're the best !
1191337804 M * pmenier works fine now with 0.30.214
1191337832 M * pmenier i suppose 0.30.214 works with vs2.2.0.4, too ?
1191337880 J * ema_ ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1191337974 M * Bertl pmenier: yes, otherwise its a bug :)
1191337977 J * fosco_ fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1191337994 Q * ema Read error: Connection reset by peer
1191338093 Q * fosco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191338318 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1191338449 M * Bertl wb dowdle!
1191338765 J * EdEll EdEll@201.49.25.11
1191338929 N * fosco_ fosco
1191338939 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1191338974 M * EdEll Hi, almos a week searching on how to have two IPs in a vserver and didn't found... Any urls/pointers/wiki where to find?
1191338976 M * dowdle So, question unrelated to vserver... I have a user bitching about /usr/bin/pthread not being on one of my machines.  I'm not a programmer.  Was /usr/bin/pthread part of the pre-NPTL stuff?  I can't find it in any compat packages and Google is of no help.
1191339181 M * Bertl EdEll: you didn't really search well then :)
1191339195 M * Bertl EdEll: either on guest creation just specify the --interface again
1191339199 M * EdEll Bertl: well... I tried...
1191339203 M * EdEll Bertl: :-)
1191339215 M * Bertl EdEll: or, after guest creation, add another dir to /etc/vservers/interfaces
1191339229 M * Bertl (similar to the '0' dir already there)
1191339246 M * JonB Bertl: did you ever figure out anyhing about my problem?
1191339247 M * EdEll Bertl: hummm... When creating I use --ip only... Can use --interafce istead?
1191339270 M * Bertl EdEll: how do you create guests?
1191339301 M * Bertl EdEll: maybe with the newvserver script?
1191339304 M * EdEll Bertl: newvserver --vsroot /var/lib/vservers/ --hostname vps-modelo --domain rapix.com.br --ip 201.12.20.101/24 --dist etch --mirror http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ --interface eth0
1191339314 M * Bertl forget about that script, it is deprecated
1191339318 M * EdEll Bertl: read that there is a newer...
1191339326 M * EdEll Bertl: but didn't found how to use..
1191339332 M * Bertl user 'vserver <namae> build ... ' instead
1191339344 M * Bertl give me a second to translate your line
1191339363 M * EdEll Bertl: gonna read about that. Thanks!
1191339387 M * Bertl that's on a 32bit system?
1191339424 M * Bertl (you can get help by using 'vserver - build --help')
1191339533 M * Bertl vserver modelo build -m debootstrap --context 1001 --hostname vps-modelo.rapix.com.br --interface eth0:201.12.20.101/24 -- -d etch -m http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ -- arch i386
1191339537 Q * falcon0 
1191339540 M * Bertl this is just an example for you
1191339551 M * Bertl note: the --context has to be unique on the host
1191339580 M * Bertl and you do not need to specify the -- --arch i386 part
1191339588 M * Bertl (if you are already on 32bit systems)
1191339596 M * EdEll Bertl: got it.
1191339609 M * Bertl ah, just saw I forgot a -- in the line above (for the arch)
1191339631 M * Bertl and if you want a second ip, then just do something like:
1191339654 M * Bertl vserver modelo build -m debootstrap --context 1001 --hostname vps-modelo.rapix.com.br --interface eth0:201.12.20.101/24 --interface eth0:201.12.20.102/24 -- -d etch -m http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ -- --arch i386
1191339680 M * EdEll Bertl: excelent! thanks from Fortaleza/CE/Brazil!
1191339685 M * Bertl dowdle: pthread sound like pthreads!
1191339696 M * Bertl EdEll: you're welcome! feel free to hang around!
1191339699 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1191339711 M * Bertl dowdle: but I do not know of a binary for that
1191339726 M * dowdle Bertl: Yes, I think the threading pre-2.6 (which introduced NPTL) had that binary.
1191339729 M * Bertl dowdle: (i.e. normally it is a library)
1191340117 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191340385 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-171-165.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru
1191340465 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.105.233
1191340793 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191340800 M * Bertl wb meandtheshell!
1191340811 J * Scurz ~sfantar@users.linux62.org
1191340819 M * Bertl wb hparker! welcome Scurz!
1191340820 M * Scurz hi
1191340820 M * meandtheshell hi
1191340870 N * fede eSa|
1191340899 M * hparker hey Bertl 
1191341319 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner now .. back later ...
1191341323 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1191341372 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1191341598 Q * mstrobert Quit: Leaving
1191341783 A * dowdle wonders what Bertl has for dinner.
1191342465 M * nebuchadnezzar Hello
1191342488 M * nebuchadnezzar is it possible to include something like hooks when creating vserver ?
1191342511 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1191342512 M * nebuchadnezzar I'm thinking about what the xen-tools package does
1191342537 M * daniel_hozac what do you have in mind?
1191342543 M * nebuchadnezzar when the guest is created, run a script to make additionnal configuration
1191342570 M * daniel_hozac you already have the initpost script.
1191342577 M * nebuchadnezzar ha!
1191342645 M * daniel_hozac i guess we could add another one which is run after that, but it kind of seems like more work than it's worth...
1191342670 M * nebuchadnezzar I do not find how to use it, sorry
1191342682 M * daniel_hozac the initpost script?
1191342692 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, I found
1191342694 M * nebuchadnezzar :-)
1191342733 M * nebuchadnezzar What I'm searching is the possibility to add a command line option to specify a (list?) of scripts to execute
1191342745 M * nebuchadnezzar exactly like xen-tools with their --role
1191342759 M * daniel_hozac i've never really used Xen.
1191342783 M * daniel_hozac so you want some kind of initpostpost script?
1191342815 M * nebuchadnezzar somehting like vserver <name> build... --role ntp,cfengine
1191342827 M * nebuchadnezzar which execute the ntp and cfengine scripts when the guest is builded
1191342856 M * daniel_hozac so essentially, a list of scripts rather than the one that is supposed today?
1191342879 M * daniel_hozac s/supposed/used/... i don't know how that happened.
1191342898 M * nebuchadnezzar the idea is to swith on/off some scripts depending on the host
1191342905 M * Bertl_oO no, as I see it he wants those to be options
1191342922 M * nebuchadnezzar right, thanks Bertl_oO 
1191342930 M * nebuchadnezzar it's the good way to explain ;-)
1191342959 M * nebuchadnezzar but maybe the util-vserver tools will became deprecated with the vserver daemon control ?
1191343027 M * daniel_hozac  i doubt it.
1191343050 M * daniel_hozac nor do i see how that's related, given that the plan is to use the same build infrastructure...
1191343064 M * nebuchadnezzar ok
1191343106 M * nebuchadnezzar for now I use the --include and --exclude to include or exclude some package at creation, but it's not really easy to use
1191343144 M * daniel_hozac you can use /etc/vservers/.distributions/<dist>/debootstrap.options for that.
1191343187 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, but again it's global
1191343204 M * daniel_hozac it's always going to be global.
1191343217 M * nebuchadnezzar I'll try to see what I can do with xen-tools utils
1191343220 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: I guess I understand the idea
1191343240 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: like, to have a 'mail' role and a 'web' role
1191343246 M * nebuchadnezzar yes
1191343247 M * daniel_hozac well, i guess i understand the idea too.
1191343255 M * Bertl_oO and being able to select which scripts get executed based on that
1191343262 M * daniel_hozac right.
1191343268 M * daniel_hozac a set of scripts vs. the one distribution script.
1191343273 M * Bertl_oO IMHO the distro part is not exactly the correct thing here
1191343280 A * nebuchadnezzar is searching the way to automatic installation and administration
1191343294 M * nebuchadnezzar that's why I spend time on cfengine
1191343313 M * Bertl_oO although that is conceptionally identical, it is very hard to explain to folks that they should make an etch-main, etch-web distro :)
1191343323 M * Bertl_oO *etch-mail
1191343345 M * daniel_hozac well, the distribution script would remain untouched.
1191343348 M * Bertl_oO (as it isn't really a different distro more a sub distro or so)
1191343386 M * Bertl_oO so maybe the concept of adding a role at some poing might be a good idea (just my optionion)
1191343390 M * Bertl_oO *opinion
1191343433 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1191343448 M * daniel_hozac i actually have that on my TODO-list (an initpostpost script).
1191343453 M * nebuchadnezzar When I'll have time I'll look at including xen-tools "framework" in util-vserver to show you
1191343485 M * daniel_hozac you willing to test it?
1191343488 M * nebuchadnezzar they include some usefull functions like installPackage/removePackage
1191343513 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: I change my hardware here, I need to make some things to became at home again before ;-)
1191343538 M * nebuchadnezzar I don't find the cvs of util-vserver :-/
1191343541 M * daniel_hozac well, i'm not sure how intersting that is.
1191343552 M * daniel_hozac it's not like package names are cross-distro anyway.
1191343591 M * daniel_hozac meaning the scripts will be distro-dependent either way, in which case you might as well just use the proper package manager from the start.
1191343606 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/
1191343608 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: it's just a wrapper to prevent to make chroot <somwhere> && apt-get install package
1191343626 M * nebuchadnezzar thanks daniel_hozac
1191343682 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: I'll show you tomorrow what I do with xen
1191343709 M * nebuchadnezzar like creating a default user, generating its random password, adding ssh keys ...
1191343724 M * nebuchadnezzar usefull things to do when automating everything
1191343780 M * daniel_hozac so you want more than just a way to run scripts on build?
1191343829 M * nebuchadnezzar no
1191343852 M * nebuchadnezzar but adding distribution specific helper to keep script clean can be usefull
1191343855 M * nebuchadnezzar could be
1191343912 M * daniel_hozac i can see start/stop/run being useful.
1191344006 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, off for diner now
1191344008 M * nebuchadnezzar see you
1191344016 M * daniel_hozac (though i guess start/stop could be handled outside the scripts)
1191344026 M * daniel_hozac would run not be sufficient for you?
1191344047 M * nebuchadnezzar running scripts is sufficient
1191344066 M * nebuchadnezzar providing helper could be insteressting
1191344073 M * daniel_hozac run would be the helper.
1191344113 M * daniel_hozac i.e. run apt-get ... rather than $_VSERVER "$1" exec apt-get ...
1191344114 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: I'll show you tomorrow ;-)
1191344167 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: does it cause any problem to chroot in a guest tree and run commands without it running ?
1191344182 M * daniel_hozac other than the fact that it's completely insecure?
1191344194 M * nebuchadnezzar right
1191344214 M * daniel_hozac well, if you don't care about security, vserver isn't that interesting...
1191344222 M * nebuchadnezzar but if the guest is not started (not even one time) does it matter ?
1191344242 M * daniel_hozac do you trust every single package your distribution provides?
1191344253 M * daniel_hozac have you inspected the scripts to make sure they don't touch the running system?
1191344258 Q * pmenier Quit: I am going away
1191344275 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: not all, I give a little look at those I use
1191344285 M * nebuchadnezzar but not to the source code
1191344331 M * nebuchadnezzar but I use the same distrib for all ;-)
1191344363 M * daniel_hozac when i run apt-get on my Debian guests, i see them restarting services and such.
1191345007 M * m_stone good afternoon, folks.
1191345032 M * daniel_hozac hello m_stone
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1191345056 M * m_stone daniel_hozac: a brief question: should lsxid return "!!ERR!!" on all the files I run it on?
1191345071 M * m_stone util-vserver-core-0.30.214, vsOLPC-0.4.6
1191345077 M * daniel_hozac that most likely means the filesystem doesn't support tagging.
1191345085 M * m_stone daniel_hozac: ah.
1191345094 M * daniel_hozac i.e. you didn't mount it with -o tag.
1191345095 M * m_stone thakns.
1191345099 M * m_stone *thanks.
1191345171 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1191345820 J * Skram_ ~mark@HERCULES.sentiensystems.net
1191345828 J * m_stone_ ~mstone@teach.laptop.org
1191345861 Q * JonB resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1191345861 Q * m_stone resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
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1191345861 Q * Skram resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
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1191346123 J * brc bruce@megarapido.cliquerapido.com.br
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1191346289 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1191346301 M * meandtheshell  just for interest ... is somebody here dealing with IBM BladeCenter Hardware?
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1191347149 N * m_stone_ m_stone
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1191347370 M * jmcarica` Hi. Does someone use unfs3 with a guest (I think I can't use nfs in kernel space ?)
1191347386 M * daniel_hozac there have been reports of people doing it.
1191347468 M * jmcarica` daniel_hozac: Do you have some links ? 
1191347501 M * daniel_hozac not really. why?
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1191347644 Q * EdEll 
1191347667 M * jmcarica` I want to use nfs for a production server. I need informations on speed, stability, ...
1191347851 M * jmcarica` daniel_hozac: nfs in kernelspace isn't possible in vserver ?
1191347858 M * daniel_hozac no
1191347888 M * jmcarica` daniel_hozac: :-(
1191347909 M * ktwilight jmcarica`, i tested something similar to nfs, and it worked for me.
1191347919 M * ktwilight though i dunno how different it is compared to nfs. :/
1191347934 M * jmcarica` ktwilight: what ?
1191347980 M * ktwilight ah, maybe it doesn't. nfs is kernelspace, the one i use is userspace (FUSE).
1191347985 M * ktwilight have a test maybe?
1191348010 M * daniel_hozac we were talking server-side...
1191348041 M * ktwilight i set up server side too. it was a server-client based
1191348048 M * ktwilight distributed filesystem.
1191348059 M * jmcarica` At work, I have two choices : NFS or AFS
1191348071 M * ktwilight jmcarica`, have a go with glusterfs
1191348226 M * jmcarica` ktwilight: glusterfs is a distributed filesystem as afs ?
1191348239 M * ktwilight yup
1191348730 Q * besonen_mobile_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1191348891 J * dna_ ~dna@p54BCD75B.dip.t-dialin.net
1191348893 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1191349031 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1191349540 N * phedny Guest577
1191349548 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
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1191349890 M * jmcarica` ktwilight: I don't find a windows client for glusterfs. Does it exist ?
1191349942 M * mnemoc what about coda?
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1191349999 M * ktwilight jmcarica`, ah~ sorry, it's linux only at the moment. they are also porting it to solaris soon.
1191350083 M * jmcarica` coda is dead, no ?
1191350105 M * jmcarica` and I think afs is better ...
1191350119 M * mnemoc i thought afs was dead :p
1191350210 M * mnemoc 2007/04/11 Coda 6.9.1
1191350272 M * jmcarica` 20-Sep-2007 OpenAFS 1.5.25 :-)
1191350280 M * mnemoc :)
1191350280 J * kir_home ~kir@81.5.101.166
1191350695 J * Punkie ~Punkie@home.pekelny.net
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1191351274 J * _gh_ ~gerrit@166.129.195.198
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1191352559 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1191353075 M * jmcarica` daniel_hozac: I'll test unfs3 in a guest this week. I'll compare with standalone nfs server. 
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1191353384 M * bzed any issues known that if you delete a vserver, and accidentally forget to stop it before, the machine wents amok (as in: killts itself after having a load of 700....)?
1191353387 J * kir_home ~kir@81.5.101.166
1191353397 M * bzed Bertl_oO, daniel_hozac ^^^
1191353415 M * daniel_hozac vserver .. delete stops the guest before removing any files, so i don't see how that would even happen.
1191353468 M * bzed if you don;t use vserver delete but delete it manually, or even better: accidentally?
1191353483 M * daniel_hozac why would you? :)
1191353499 M * daniel_hozac anyway, no, that shouldn't happen.
1191353595 M * bzed didn;t happen to me diretly, but a friend just called... and he said that he probably deleted the wrong directory in the vserver dirs
1191353632 M * bzed he was not sure, unfortunately the remote management board of the machine is dead now, too....
1191353648 M * bzed I wjsut wanted to know f that's a known problem
1191353747 M * bzed daniel_hozac: http://munin.farm.ftbfs.de/farm.ftbfs.de/sleipnir.farm.ftbfs.de.html < if you ahve a look, the drop in the disk usage of the vserver dir was when the load started to rise
1191353826 M * daniel_hozac obviously, that kind of thing depends on what you're doing. if you have something that is creating processes based on the filesystem somehow, things are bound to get bad.
1191353953 M * bzed seems asterisk was running on the vserver, not sure how much filesystem-related stuff it does, though
1191354177 M * tokkee bzed: Whatever happened - it seems to be a good source of entropy *scnr* ;-)
1191354342 Q * kir_home Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1191354384 M * bzed tokkee: :P
1191354389 M * bzed we should sell it!
1191354456 M * bzed tokkee: interestingly the machine was able to deliver munin data under a load of 700 :D
1191354718 M * tokkee bzed: You should still switch to collectd ;-P
1191354777 M * bzed nah
1191354779 M * bzed zenoss :P
1191354911 M * tokkee Never heard of that one...
1191355395 M * bzed daniel_hozac: anyway I'll try to reproduce this when I'm at home
1191355480 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34
1191355657 N * DavidS DavidS|Dipl-Ing
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1191363393 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
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1191363582 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso
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1191364270 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1191364875 M * Bertl_oO bzed: not that we know of ...
1191364890 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1191364898 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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