1190594939 J * _jmcaricand_zzz ~jmcarican@d83-179-232-125.cust.tele2.fr 1190595352 Q * |jmcaricand|_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190596273 Q * Piet_ Quit: Piet_ 1190603198 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz 1190607166 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.79.143 1190607392 J * |jmcaricand|_ ~jmcarican@d77-216-130-179.cust.tele2.fr 1190607575 Q * |jmcaricand|_ 1190607722 Q * _jmcaricand_zzz Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190608626 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190609340 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.79.143 1190610810 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-231.kollegiegaarden.dk 1190612048 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190613936 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1190614517 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-255-49.cust.tele2.fr 1190614682 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190614895 Q * balbir Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190615652 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1190615658 M * Bertl morning folks! 1190615808 M * hparker Morning Bertl 1190615997 M * igraltist hi 1190616068 M * Bertl how's going folks? 1190616092 M * jmcaricand Morning. I want to use 2.3.0.24 on a small server :-) Is it a good idea ? 1190616125 M * Bertl Linux-VServer is _really_ light-weight, it's used on embeded systems too 1190616132 M * Bertl (if that answers your question :) 1190616212 M * jmcaricand No. On this server I use 2.2.0 version and I want to know if I can 1190616220 M * jmcaricand migrate to 2.3.0 1190616275 M * Bertl ah, okay, well, yes, should not give any issues if you upgrade the tools to 0.30.214, but note that 2.3.x is the development branch, so naturally it is not as stable as the stable branch 1190616315 M * jmcaricand Ok. thank. 1190616432 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@130.227.63.19 1190616637 M * igraltist is it enough for booting a gentoo stage3 ? 1190616643 M * igraltist as a vguest 1190616651 M * Bertl yep 1190616668 M * igraltist hmm than i hav a small problem 1190616699 M * Bertl try to install a stage3 template with the tools 1190616727 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Gentoo 1190616728 M * igraltist http://paste.debian.net/37852 1190616745 M * igraltist i find no message why is not starting 1190616767 M * hparker Did you use Hollow's stage? 1190616791 M * hparker It's never missed for me... More then I can say for my stages so far :P 1190616799 M * Hollow with init style gentoo a stage3 will not work out-of-the-box 1190616821 M * Hollow take one of my stage4 1190616824 M * hparker Speak of the devil ;) 1190616837 M * Hollow :) 1190616852 M * hparker how goes? 1190616875 M * Supaplex Hollow: thanks for stage4 btw. worked awesome for building pxegrub (so I could throw it at my pxe server) 1190616921 M * Hollow Supaplex: you mean you used my stage4 for a non-vserver install? 1190616929 M * Hollow hparker: good good so far ;) 1190616956 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1190616957 M * Supaplex s/non-// 1190616967 M * Hollow ah, pxe inside a vserver? 1190616996 M * Supaplex no. I just needed to build pxegrub, and gentoo was the first thing I found that had it available 1190617011 Q * jmcaricand Remote host closed the connection 1190617064 M * hparker Hollow: ;) 1190617113 J * jmcaricand ~user@d83-179-255-49.cust.tele2.fr 1190617190 Q * jmcaricand 1190617857 M * JonB would you run a ups monitor daemon inside a vserver guest, or use the host? or create a special guest just for that? 1190617912 M * Bertl depends on what that monitor is supposed to do 1190617939 M * JonB read on a serial interface and have a network connection from clients running on other servers 1190617953 M * Bertl but not shutdown the host or so? 1190617953 M * JonB and if the UPS has low power it will send the shutdown signal 1190617967 M * JonB it has to shutdown the host too 1190617984 M * JonB but maybe the host could have a networked client as well 1190617997 M * JonB to minimize the attack vector on the host 1190618003 M * Bertl that would work 1190618073 M * JonB i prefer only to have ssh on the host 1190618122 M * JonB i noticed that the faq mentioned i could run openvpn inside a guest, but the faq only talked about a bridged (tap) setup. Can i run a routed (tun) setup? 1190618165 M * Bertl all different kind of setups are possible, you just have to keep in mind that the 'network setup' is on the host 1190618188 M * JonB ok 1190618263 M * JonB i have a debian guest. How come the guest /etc/hostname is the same as the vserver host? 1190618277 M * JonB but when i login it says the vserver guest name 1190618314 M * Bertl the uts information (and the nodename is part of that) can be configured in several ways 1190618332 M * Bertl first, it is copied from the host, then it is set to the guest's configuration 1190618355 M * Bertl and if the guest is allowed to change it (caopabilities) then the guest has a chance to change it again at startup 1190618445 M * Bertl so I assume, the first and the second happened :) 1190618531 M * JonB lets put names into it 1190618539 M * JonB host is called dkserver 1190618543 M * JonB guest is called frodo 1190618555 M * JonB guest had dkserver in /etc/hostname 1190618569 M * JonB but ssh'ing into guest reveals frodo in ssh prompt 1190618603 M * JonB how ever i have an old server called frodo i want to migrate, and it is confusing with having 2 windows called frodo, but not the same host 1190618614 M * Bertl all of that is not directly related, but let's do it the other way round 1190618618 M * JonB so i want to temporarely rename the vserver guest 1190618629 M * Hollow maybe you actually ssh into the host? 1190618632 M * Bertl what does uname -n say inside the guest 1190618637 M * JonB Hollow: no, i checked 1190618656 M * JonB Bertl: frodo.laerdal.global 1190618664 M * Hollow ok.. but this happens to a lot of people if their sshd is listening on 0.0.0.0 :) 1190618667 M * Bertl so that is the 'assigned' node name 1190618679 M * Bertl (you did assign that with --hostname or so) 1190618682 M * JonB Hollow: i changed that last week ;-) 1190618698 M * Bertl this information is stored in the guest config's uts 1190618700 M * JonB Bertl: during the vserver frodo build command? 1190618705 M * Bertl yep, precisely 1190618722 M * Bertl nevertheless, you can change that at any time 1190618735 M * JonB Bertl: do i have to reboot the guest to change it? 1190618739 M * JonB cool 1190618739 M * Bertl no 1190618766 M * Bertl vuname --help 1190618773 M * JonB Bertl: thanks 1190618778 M * Bertl np 1190618852 M * Bertl if the guest has the proper capabilities, a 'hostname something.some.domain' should work too, btw 1190618878 M * Bertl (note that those capabilities are save, as the uts stuff is virtualized) 1190618900 M * JonB okay, thanks i got it changed now 1190618949 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1190618961 M * JonB except inside the screen 1190618975 M * JonB but if i just make new screen sessions it gets the new name 1190618983 M * Bertl uname -n there? 1190619006 M * Bertl note that the bash uses a fixed string :) 1190619010 M * JonB in the screen? that was the old name 1190619023 M * Bertl sure? that sounds a little strange 1190619027 M * JonB Bertl: yeah, but starting a new bash inside the running screen found the new name 1190619045 M * JonB i only ran uname -n once 1190619068 M * JonB back before i changed it properly 1190619073 M * Bertl okay 1190619104 M * JonB anyway, i'll go afk and move some services 1190619128 M * Bertl k, good luck! 1190619959 J * dna ~dna@48-243-dsl.kielnet.net 1190619966 M * Bertl wb dna! 1190619974 M * dna moin 1190620149 Q * hparker Quit: g'nite 1190620948 J * phedny_ ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1190621352 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190621704 N * phedny_ phedny 1190622302 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190623114 M * JonB if i have 2 netcards on different networks, and i bind some guests to one netcard and some to the other. Do i have to specify a gateway for both netcards in the host setup? 1190623150 M * Bertl yes 1190623162 M * Bertl at least if the default gateways differ 1190623168 M * JonB they do 1190623178 M * JonB but wont that confuse the host? 1190623195 M * Bertl you have to use multiple routing tables and source based routing 1190623207 M * JonB hmm 1190623239 M * JonB okay, then i will focus on getting other stuff to work first 1190623295 M * Bertl http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0470.html 1190623473 M * JonB Bertl: thats 4 years old. Did noone reply with option a, or b or both? 1190623538 M * JonB so one reply 1190623552 M * Bertl both options (or variants) were tested since, and led to the current implementation 1190623578 M * Bertl but actually that was the wrong email I pasted :) 1190623585 M * JonB oh 1190623761 M * Bertl but basically it's fine, i.e. have two tables, and set a rule for each based on the source ip 1190623850 M * JonB well, looking more closely at what i wanted to do... it is only 1 guest i wanted to run on a different network 1190623902 M * JonB and only to do smokeping monitoring, so i guess it is not that important 1190625074 M * JonB can i shut the guest down from inside the guest? 1190625151 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org 1190625339 J * DavidS ~david@o.factline.com 1190625448 M * Bertl wb DavidS! nou! 1190625548 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-249-108.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1190626126 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1190626241 M * Aiken good evening :) 1190626324 M * Aiken still only lurking and still happy with my 2.4.32 vserver system 1190626712 M * DavidS 'lo! 1190626788 J * sharkjaw ~gab@158.36.44.106 1190626995 J * moun ~moun@ABayonne-151-1-11-127.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr 1190627041 M * JonB found the answer 1190627238 M * moun hi everybody. I m a newbie with vservers. Could someone tell me if there is a tuto somewhere on how to route the vservers on my local machine. 1190627345 M * JonB route the vservers locally ? 1190627444 M * JonB http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests 1190627447 M * JonB that might help 1190627470 M * moun thank, you, i'll try 1190627687 M * Bertl moun: the important detail is: there is no 'routing' between guests and host 1190627714 M * Bertl moun: all routing and networking happens _on_ the host, the guest is just 'utilizing' the IP adresses 1190627744 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@ppp91-122-102-32.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru 1190627914 M * weasel Bertl: are you ever going to start signing your patches? 1190627933 M * Bertl hehe, what about a signature on the md5? 1190627942 M * weasel better than nothing 1190627948 M * Bertl what patch? 1190627952 M * weasel http://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/kernel/vs2.2/patch-2.6.22.6-vs2.2.0.3.diff 1190627973 M * weasel is what I'm downloading right now, and the welcome-to-linux-vserver.org page doesn't mention signatures - at least not in a visible place 1190628001 M * moun yes my probléme is how to set this networking on the host. 1190628009 M * Bertl weasel: de86a8b07751d4c5c0193760d2c1f8fd patch-2.6.22.6-vs2.2.0.3.diff 1190628028 M * weasel Bertl: and is that md5 signed somewhere? :) 1190628093 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/6733 1190628131 M * Bertl moun: what are your requirements/setup? 1190628151 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190628179 M * weasel Bertl: would be nice if you did that to all your releases 1190628201 M * Bertl for the md5, I think that would be an option, for the patches, not sure about that 1190628216 M * Bertl (because it requires me to pull them all, and sign them) 1190628226 M * weasel how are you putting them online? 1190628244 M * Bertl from my development server to the public server where you download them 1190628562 M * weasel yup. option 1) move them via your home box and sign or clearsign the patches there, 2) sign md5 sums - more annoying to verify, or 3) create a vs development version release key that lives on your dev box and clearsigns the patches 1190628576 M * weasel all are better than the status quo :) 1190628633 M * Bertl from your PoV, yes :) 1190628683 M * Bertl but as I said, 2) sounds like something I should be able to do, 3) doesn't sound too save to me, but OTOH, the source could be compromised without me knowing too :) 1190628950 T * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0.3, 2.0.3-rc3, devel 2.3.0.24, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0.3 | util-vserver-0.30.214 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1190628973 M * daniel_hozac (2.3.0.24) 1190628983 M * Bertl ah, great! tx! I forgot again ... 1190629006 M * daniel_hozac as did i, i usually check the topic when i update the patch table. 1190629035 M * Bertl okay, off for lunch ... back shortly 1190629040 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1190629477 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190629690 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it 1190629984 Q * bzed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190630015 J * bzed ~bzed@78.47.255.100 1190630386 J * bad9ga ~KVIrc@nat65.homenet.glazov.net 1190630454 M * bad9ga hi 1190630463 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1190630467 M * Bertl welcome bad9ga! 1190630488 M * moun bertl, i want to setup an apache in a vserver to use a different php version. my probleme is that the apt-get or vapt-get doesn't work because i can not reach the outside from the vservers 1190630492 M * bad9ga i have a problem with vserver :) 1190630511 M * Bertl bad9ga: let's hear ... 1190630519 M * Bertl moun: your guest has a private ip= 1190630522 M * Bertl s/=/? 1190630552 M * bad9ga my mysql server work in vserver - have ip, but not have dev (nodev) , when i try connect from other host to mysql i have a very big timeout 1190630558 M * bad9ga sorry for my bad english 1190630572 M * bad9ga if mysql work in hose system - all work is good 1190630575 M * moun yes , i can ping it from the host and i can ping the host from the guest 1190630584 M * Bertl bad9ga: np, your english is fine ... I'd assume your resolving is broken 1190630595 M * bad9ga no 1190630598 M * Bertl bad9ga: check /etc/resolv.conf inside the guest 1190630602 M * bad9ga i try bu ip address 1190630612 M * bad9ga by* 1190630618 M * Bertl bad9ga: the mysql probably does a reverse lookup 1190630631 M * daniel_hozac moun: can you ping google from the guest? 1190630632 M * bad9ga how deny this? 1190630643 M * moun no 1190630651 M * Bertl moun: okay, use something like: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j SNAT --to 1190630652 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1190630655 M * moun that's the probleme 1190630667 M * Bertl moun: (on the host, that is :) 1190630675 M * moun ok, i try 1190630689 M * Bertl bad9ga: that's a mysql question, but it's probably easier to adapt the resolver 1190630726 M * Bertl bad9ga: i.e. check it, and if necessary remove the entries there (or make it work for resolving) 1190630757 M * bad9ga ok 1190631343 M * moun ok bertl thank you it works now with the iptables command 1190631352 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1190632224 M * Bertl bad9ga: did it work for you? 1190632268 M * bad9ga now it work 1190632289 M * Bertl excellent! 1190632292 M * bad9ga but i think what trouble not in resolv... 1190632294 M * bad9ga )) 1190632315 M * Bertl ah? where/what was it? 1190632342 M * bad9ga that* 1190632345 M * bad9ga ( 1190632680 M * JonB only 49149 vserver guests? what about the future scalability? 1190632707 M * Bertl hehe, with 2.3 you can have up to 65533 :) 1190632721 M * JonB seems much more reasonable 1190632758 J * deevilcat ~eodabas@85.97.128.179 1190632770 M * Bertl welcome deevilcat! 1190632785 M * deevilcat hi bertl how are you 1190632794 M * Bertl fine, thanks! and you? 1190632922 M * deevilcat fine thanks.. i've managed compile bigmem+vserver kernel finally, dont know really what was the problem :) 1190633384 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190633406 P * moun Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org 1190633611 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@x-1-30.dynamic2.rpi.edu 1190634267 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1190634391 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190634472 M * Bertl wb coderanger_! rorem-! 1190634482 M * coderanger_ Bertl: Alo 1190635718 J * maddoc ~maddoc@h237n2fls32o945.telia.com 1190635847 M * Bertl wb maddoc! 1190635901 M * maddoc Thanks. :-) 1190635904 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-2-77-142.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net 1190635922 M * Bertl wb hallyn! 1190635942 M * hallyn hey 1190635944 M * maddoc Hm, how can I give a vserver access to certain directory in another vserver? A bind mount doesn't seem to work. (using 2.6.19.7-grsec2.1.10-vs2.2.0) 1190635967 M * Bertl bind mount works, but you have to do it in the proper namespace 1190635967 M * daniel_hozac is it on a tagged filesystem? 1190635978 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27972.dip.t-dialin.net 1190635983 M * Bertl wb Julius! 1190635991 M * Julius thx 1190636004 M * maddoc Bertl: The proper namespace? 1190636021 M * Bertl maddoc: yes, the namespace of the guest you ar mounting to 1190636041 M * maddoc Okay, so how do I do that? :-) 1190636041 M * Bertl maddoc: you can use vnamespace for that 1190636046 M * maddoc Ah, cool. 1190636527 M * maddoc Hmm. I'm afraid I need some more help. I got /var/svn who I want to be available in two vservers. I ran vnamespace --e 101 mount --bind /var/lib/vservers/gawain/var/svn /var/lib/vservers/arthur/var/svn, and got mount: special device /var/lib/vservers/gawain/var/svn does not exist. I think I'm doing something wrong here. ;-( 1190636572 M * Bertl looks like your mount is a little unusual 1190636585 M * daniel_hozac do you have separate filesystems for all of your guests? 1190636612 M * Bertl does /var/lib/vservers/gawain/var/svn exists inside the namespace? 1190636613 M * maddoc Yeah, they're all on a different lv. 1190636622 M * daniel_hozac so, that'd be why. 1190636629 M * daniel_hozac it's been cleaned up. 1190636645 M * eyck so mount-binding no longer works? 1190636659 M * Bertl yes, it works fine 1190636660 M * maddoc Bertl: No, I don't think so. 1190636672 M * Bertl eyck: only for _existing_ filesystem points :) 1190636675 M * Bertl maddoc: probably the best solution in this case is the following 1190636694 M * Bertl maddoc: put the share directory somewhere outside of the two lvms 1190636700 M * Bertl maybe on a third one or so 1190636716 M * Bertl and mount (either normal or via bind) them on guest startup 1190636731 M * Bertl (or mount them now inside the guest namespaces) 1190636787 M * Bertl of course, you can also mount the 'other' lvm inside the namespace and bind mount from there, but that's not as clean 1190636838 M * maddoc I'll give it a try. :-) 1190637612 M * maddoc Worked like a charm. Thanks Bertl. 1190637645 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1190637659 M * Bertl time for a nap ... back later ... 1190637669 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1190637673 M * maddoc Bye. 1190637937 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1190637964 M * hparker morning all 1190637967 M * daniel_hozac hi 1190638120 P * friendly12345 1190638424 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac 1190638431 M * daniel_hozac hey matti 1190638694 Q * maddoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190638946 J * maddoc ~maddoc@h237n2fls32o945.telia.com 1190639147 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1190639247 J * pmenier ~pmenier@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1190639871 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1190641360 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1190641692 Q * maddoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190641847 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190641878 J * maddoc ~maddoc@h237n2fls32o945.telia.com 1190642778 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving 1190642978 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190643112 J * igraltista ~jens@p4FD2655D.dip.t-dialin.net 1190643562 N * esa eSa| 1190644547 Q * JonB Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190644629 J * Darkglow ~pdesnoyer@208.71.184.41 1190644940 M * Darkglow Hey everybody... got a little problem here. Seems I cannot install 2 vservers on a box... I use Debian Etch btw. I use vhashify and disk limits. When I install the second vserver, after installing the packages, it wants to stop the vserver and I get "vcontext: execvp("/etc/init.d/rc") No such file. 1190644996 M * Darkglow BUT if I use chxid -c context -R I can turn it on/off... ?! 1190645039 M * daniel_hozac you should do chxid -c 0 -R /vservers/.hash; chxid -c -UxR /vservers/; chxid -c -UxR /vservers/ 1190645189 M * Darkglow I will try that now... thanks. Also, is it normal that lsxid will only show the directories with the right xid and files with 0 ? (before doing a chxid of course) 1190645213 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1190645249 M * Darkglow whe I install a vserver and do lsxid -R on it, I see all directories with the xid, but all files are with xid 0... 1190645272 M * daniel_hozac how do you "install" a guest? 1190645323 M * Darkglow humm... I use a tool provided in Debian... you think it could be the way this tool creates the vservers ? 1190645346 M * daniel_hozac newvserver? 1190645350 M * Darkglow yes 1190645364 M * daniel_hozac seems odd to me that anything would be tagged by that. 1190645389 M * Darkglow doesn't it tag by default if the filesystem has tagxid ? 1190645403 M * daniel_hozac yes, but that requires running it in a context. 1190645439 M * Darkglow what is odd is that I have another system running exact same versions of everything and it runs fine... :( 1190645447 M * daniel_hozac all but the fai build method run entirely on the host, only the post-build scripts may run things in the guest. 1190645487 M * Darkglow ah... did not know that... so after an install, I should always run chxid right ? 1190645507 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190645526 M * Darkglow ok did the chxid, but I got the same result... 1190645532 M * daniel_hozac note that if you're using hashify, you'll want the -U switch. 1190645542 M * daniel_hozac (which skips the unified files) 1190645552 M * daniel_hozac if you don't, you'll get the result you're seeing. 1190645560 M * Darkglow AH.... ;-) makes sense 1190645581 M * Darkglow hehe... damn debian sometimes... man chxid does not have -U it seems... 1190645617 M * daniel_hozac i'm not surprised, given that there are no man-pages in util-vserver. 1190645627 M * daniel_hozac (well, there are a few, but they're horribly out of date) 1190645636 M * daniel_hozac --help is what you want. 1190645648 M * Darkglow I can use -R -c and -x... 1190645663 M * daniel_hozac you'll definitely want -U. 1190645685 M * Darkglow ok... think I can use a new chxid without upgrading the whole thing ;-) ? 1190645734 M * daniel_hozac you must have a really old version if you don't have -U. 1190645744 M * Darkglow :( 1190645772 M * Darkglow 0.30.212-1 1190645780 P * bad9ga 1190645809 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i could've sworn that was in 0.30.212. i guess it's not as old as i thought. 1190645823 M * daniel_hozac well, 0.30.213 should be available from bp.o 1190645837 M * daniel_hozac (with 0.30.214 to come soon...) 1190645856 M * Darkglow yes, it is in the bpo. I can use that without changing kernel ? 1190645862 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190645866 M * Darkglow perfect. 1190645874 M * Darkglow I will try that now. Thanks ! 1190645884 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver is supposed to work on practically any kernel, excluding just a few development patches. 1190645894 M * Darkglow I see... good to know. 1190645970 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1190645974 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-231.kollegiegaarden.dk 1190645980 M * Bertl back now ... 1190645982 Q * igraltista Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190646266 Q * coderanger_ Quit: coderanger_ 1190646317 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190646524 M * Darkglow Latest from unstable is 214... shall I use that instead of 213 ? 1190646548 M * daniel_hozac you'd have to recompile it to use it on etch. 1190646565 M * daniel_hozac for this paricular problem, 0.30.213 is sufficient. 1190646573 M * daniel_hozac +t 1190646807 M * Bertl Darkglow: the unstable package is against a newer glibc 1190646808 M * Darkglow works like a charm now ;-) 1190646820 M * Darkglow I used 213... 1190646879 M * Darkglow the one thing I am wondering right now is : how the ?Q!@$ is it working on my prod server... :( means it could break. I will plan a maintenance soon I think ;-) 1190646915 M * Darkglow there would be no problems running chxid on running vservers right ? 1190646923 M * Darkglow or not ;-) 1190646945 M * daniel_hozac it depends. if you don't skip unified files, all the other guests it is unified with will break. 1190647005 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190647103 M * Darkglow I *think* that right now I run vhashify, but since the newvserver only chxid'd the directories, it did nothing ... 1190647255 M * Darkglow well, thanks a lot guys, it is appreciated ! I will probably call a maintenance and stop my vservers before doing the chxid on my prod server... Until next time, have a very good day ! 1190647292 M * daniel_hozac well, there's really no point in running chxid again after you've built the guest. 1190647305 M * daniel_hozac any files created by the guest will already be tagged. 1190647431 M * Darkglow yes, but the files created by the installation are not tagged properly. How does this affext vhashify ? does it change the xid on the unified files on it's own ? 1190647438 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@x-1-30.dynamic2.rpi.edu 1190647440 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190647450 M * daniel_hozac hashify sets the tag to 0. 1190647473 M * Darkglow altho files from install should be 0 since they will probably almost all be unified 1190647562 M * Darkglow what is the relation with dlimits ? is the unified "size" excluded from the dlimit ? 1190647570 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190647575 M * Darkglow Ok, good to know. 1190647582 P * deevilcat 1190647784 M * Darkglow a quicky, in case you already saw this behavior... when doing vserver stop, I always see these last 2 lines : "cat /proc/cmdline: No such file" and mount: permission denied 1190647802 M * daniel_hozac your guest is trying to do stuff it's just not allowed to do. 1190647803 M * Darkglow does not seems to affect the system at all tho... 1190647830 M * Darkglow I can ignore. ? (I always have, anyway) 1190647849 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190647871 M * Darkglow Ok,. well Im off for lunch, Thanks again! 1190647874 Q * Darkglow Remote host closed the connection 1190648735 N * ensc Guest1008 1190648745 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4D7EE.dip.t-dialin.net 1190648851 Q * Guest1008 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190648913 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190649128 M * bXi who manages the website? 1190649150 M * daniel_hozac it's a wiki. 1190649213 M * bXi or well 1190649219 M * bXi who has access to the code? 1190649227 M * daniel_hozac mediawiki? 1190649240 M * bXi as in on your webserver 1190649257 M * daniel_hozac what code? 1190649265 M * mnemoc mediawiki 1190649276 M * bXi there should be an index.php somewhere on linux-vserver.org someone can edit 1190649292 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1190649293 M * daniel_hozac why? 1190649343 M * bXi well i was wondering if it would be possible to create some kind of file that users can access to see what the latest version of vserver is 1190649354 M * bXi something like latest.php?branch=stable 1190649380 M * bXi and that it only prints 2.6.22.6-vs2.2.0.3 1190649382 M * bXi something like that 1190649443 M * daniel_hozac ftp ftp.linux-vserver.org; ls -lrt /pub/kernel/vs2.2/ 1190649548 N * gerrit _gh_ 1190649551 M * bXi hmmmm 1190649555 M * bXi now to do that in bash 1190649640 M * mnemoc bXi: try `dog` 1190649726 M * mnemoc http://packages.debian.org/unstable/text/dog 1190649893 M * mnemoc or, of course, curl | sed 1190650062 M * bXi debian? :P 1190650140 M * mnemoc just the first place i found where you can download dog's source if you want 1190650148 M * bXi ah 1190650167 M * bXi * sys-apps/dog 1190650171 M * bXi Description: Dog is better than cat 1190650192 A * bXi == "elite" gentoo user 1190650229 A * mnemoc noticed the l33tn3ss 1190650352 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190650645 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1190650746 J * _jmcaricand_zzz ~jmcarican@d77-216-129-105.cust.tele2.fr 1190650832 M * bXi hmmm 1190650851 M * bXi now to delete everything in my string up to the first > it encounters 1190650903 M * bXi my sed-fu isnt strong :( 1190650925 M * mnemoc dog has html parsing capabilities 1190650942 M * daniel_hozac i don't see why you'd have to parse HTML, it's FTP... 1190650997 M * Bertl but html parsing is so much more fun! 1190651002 M * bXi indeed :P 1190651014 M * Bertl you can even use xsltproc for that :) 1190651018 M * mnemoc :D 1190651025 M * bXi i decided to do html parsing since i have to learn that properly anyway 1190651075 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: ack, cut is enough :p 1190651083 M * mnemoc bXi: curl ftp://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/kernel/vs2.2/ | cut -c57- 1190651104 M * mnemoc but sed is nicer 1190651114 M * bXi mnemoc: but not every box has curl 1190651116 M * Bertl wait a minute! curl is not bash :) 1190651119 M * bXi wget is more common to find 1190651192 M * mnemoc Bertl: :) 1190651283 M * bXi wget -O - ftp://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/kernel/vs2.2/ 2>/dev/null |grep patch |tail -n1 |cut -d">" -f2|cut -d"<" -f1 1190651285 M * bXi ugly 1190651288 M * bXi but t does the job 1190651317 M * Bertl yeah, those who don't know sed have to do horrible things :) 1190651326 M * mnemoc :D 1190651337 M * mnemoc Bertl: curl | cut was not that ugly :p 1190651338 M * bXi indeed :P 1190652007 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-153-239.dsl.teksavvy.com 1190652297 M * Bertl wb fatgoose! 1190652319 M * fatgoose hi 1190652324 A * bzed throws pythons html5lib at bXi 1190652324 M * bXi there 1190652331 M * bXi O_o 1190652345 M * bXi only python coding i do is for my phone. :p 1190652357 M * bzed learn to parse urls with your phone then! 1190652369 M * bXi thats no good on my phone 1190652370 M * bXi unless 1190652375 M * fatgoose hey, there is a binary kernel for ubuntu server 7.0? 1190652377 M * bXi we port vserver to symbian ! 1190652379 M * fatgoose feisty I think 1190652391 M * fatgoose hhehehehe 1190652401 M * bXi hmmmm 1190652408 M * bXi seems like my automated vserver kernel builder works :O 1190652469 M * bzed fatgoose: use one from debian 1190652472 M * bzed or jsut use debian :) 1190652509 Q * JonB Read error: No route to host 1190652520 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190652534 M * fatgoose bzed: It's a colo server for a client, and the guy wasn't able to install debian on the server, so he installed ubuntu and told us "it's the same thing" 1190652554 M * fatgoose I usually use debian 1190652572 M * bXi fatgoose: let him install lfs or gentoo 1190652575 M * bXi that'll teach him 1190652585 M * fatgoose hehehe 1190652597 M * bXi especially lfs 1190652757 Q * _jmcaricand_zzz Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1190652764 M * bzed fatgoose: themm him it's not the same thing :D 1190652806 M * bzed interesting though that they don;t use the same kernel stuff as debian. there's even a xen + vserver kernel in debian :D 1190653291 Q * pmenier Quit: pmenier 1190653921 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-231.kollegiegaarden.dk 1190655025 M * bXi if someone wants my script 1190655027 M * bXi http://bluepunk.pastebin.com/f3d9dfedc 1190655105 M * bXi that'll get the latest patch with the correct kernel version 1190655116 M * bXi do some renaming on the kernel directories and such 1190655125 M * bXi and build the kernel using genkernel 1190655134 M * bXi (you could easily edit it to use normal make) 1190655240 J * Piet_ ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1190655514 Q * Pazzo Quit: ... 1190655672 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190656102 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1190656180 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1190657054 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl 1190657774 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190658095 M * bXi 02:10.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] 1190658095 M * bXi 02:11.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 1190658095 M * bXi 02:16.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) 1190658097 M * bXi finally 1190658134 M * Bertl hmm? 1190658250 M * bXi my box wouldnt recongnice the 3c905 and the rtl-8139 for some weird reason 1190658265 M * Bertl at the PCI level? 1190658273 M * bXi hardware level yeah 1190658306 M * bXi i seemingly needed to switch them around 1190658306 M * Bertl funny thing ... did you try using ACPI or full discovery? 1190658323 M * Bertl does it use a riser card? 1190658328 M * bXi nope 1190658356 M * bXi i can imagine this motherboard having issues with 2 extra network cards 1190658386 M * bXi http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/msi/rd480-neo2/board.jpg 1190658390 M * bXi its basicly a gamers motherboard 1190658431 M * JonB bXi: why? 1190658455 M * bXi spare system :P 1190658464 M * JonB okay 1190658788 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190658798 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190658868 M * bXi can i do internet forwarding trough a vserveR? 1190658899 M * Bertl strictly speaking, no 1190658912 M * bXi but with some hacks it is? 1190658921 M * Bertl you have several options there 1190658928 M * JonB bXi: what do you mean by internet forwarding? 1190658934 M * Bertl depending on what you actually want to do :) 1190658941 M * bXi well basicly 1190658944 M * bXi i have ths box of mine 1190658952 M * bXi with (finally) 3 network interfaces 1190658966 M * bXi i want to hook the modem up to eth0 1190658979 M * bXi my personal stuff on eth1 1190658986 M * bXi and the chinese living in this house on eth2 1190659006 M * JonB bXi: that sounds like a standard firewall/router 1190659011 M * bXi and it would be nice if i could puth both eth1 and eth2 together with there own vserver 1190659021 M * bXi dhcp running in a vserver 1190659029 M * JonB you can 1190659041 M * Bertl dhcp is below the IP layer, so Linux-VServer is not really concerned there 1190659058 M * Bertl nevertheless you can run that dhcpd in a separate context 1190659075 J * _jmcaricand_zzz ~jmcarican@d77-216-214-213.cust.tele2.fr 1190659076 M * bXi hmmm 1190659078 M * bXi okay 1190659089 M * bXi iptables stuff will all happen on the host i presume? 1190659100 M * Bertl unless you give capabilities to the guest 1190659120 M * bXi how secure is this? 1190659133 M * bXi will vserver eth1 be able to change vserver eth2s rules? 1190659136 M * Bertl well, the guest can then mess with iptables and network interfaces 1190659152 M * Bertl sure, how to tell _what_ rules are for eth2 :) 1190659167 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190659180 A * hparker only thought he was anal about separating services 1190659285 M * bXi hehe 1190659306 J * drsource 0x2E2989@89-215-37-177.2073053861.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg 1190659307 M * bXi i'm not anal just want to mess aruond and learn :p 1190659316 M * Bertl well, putting services in separate contexts and filesystem spaces, even if they have full network access makes sense ... 1190659331 M * Bertl welcome drsource! 1190659371 M * Bertl it doesn't always have to be a complete guest :) 1190659389 M * bXi can i use 1 and 2 as context id's? 1190659412 M * Bertl 1 is the spectator context, 2 is free 1190659444 M * bXi hmm 1190659465 M * bXi 100 and 101 it'll be then 1190659470 M * bXi err 101 and 102 1190659493 M * bXi cloning vservers is a piece of cake right? 1190659516 M * Bertl vserver - build --help (clone) 1190659592 Q * rorem- Remote host closed the connection 1190659656 M * bXi hmmm 1190659664 M * bXi where can i read about those unified files? 1190659666 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190659752 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_unification_.28vunify.29.3F 1190659773 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Paper#Unification 1190659922 M * bXi hmmm 1190659923 M * bXi sounds good 1190659964 M * bXi hmmm 1190659968 M * bXi what about tc ? 1190659971 M * bXi will that work 1190659976 M * Bertl sure, on the host 1190660066 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27972.dip.t-dialin.net 1190660139 M * bXi btw Bertl did you see my "lazy mans vserver build" script ? 1190660197 M * Bertl yes 1190660224 M * bXi ugly isnt it :P 1190660230 J * rorem- ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1190660317 M * Bertl well, it is very specialized :) 1190660345 M * bXi in what way 1190660432 M * Bertl e.g. genkernel: command not found :) 1190660457 M * bXi that should be replacable by a make && make modules_install 1190660468 M * bXi and the command to use a different config fle 1190660490 M * bXi i think that was the only one that was gentoo specific fwik 1190660585 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1190660597 M * Bertl wb AStorm! 1190660613 M * AStorm Bertl: yeah, hello 1190660623 M * AStorm I went in to check up on 2.6.23 port progress :> 1190660634 M * AStorm it will go out Real Soon Now 1190660716 M * bXi uh oh 1190660719 M * AStorm and the port isn't trivial enough for me to succeed at it 1190660756 M * Bertl well, why not try the pre1 then? 1190660771 M * AStorm Bertl: it's out now? Link? 1190660799 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/, as always. 1190660800 M * AStorm (I really have tu subscribe to the mailing list) 1190660820 M * Bertl make that! 1190660840 M * AStorm Bertl: ah, no list 1190660844 M * Bertl note that the scheduler and XFS is broken atm 1190660864 M * daniel_hozac well, XFS is always more or less broken, no? :) 1190660914 M * Bertl okay, XFS is now _more_ broken :) 1190660946 M * AStorm Bertl: no problem with that 1190660953 M * AStorm and I don't use XFS 1190660964 M * Bertl let me know if anything else is broken ... 1190661073 M * AStorm scheduler broken = it blows up when set 1190661080 M * AStorm or just = it doesn't work at all 1190661083 M * Bertl no, it just doesn't do the TB stuff 1190661093 M * AStorm ah, good 1190661106 Q * Johnnie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190661121 M * AStorm I think doing what sched_yield from CFS does would be adequate 1190661140 M * Bertl you can work on that :) 1190661143 M * AStorm but the scheduling class will have to be sniffed out 1190661152 M * AStorm why not 1190661170 M * AStorm or... just call sched_yield forcibly 1190661435 M * AStorm I'll test on top of 2.6.23-rc7 instead of rc6, should still apply cleanly 1190661497 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1190661683 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1190662042 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1190662181 M * AStorm what are the new features of vs2.3.x series? (read: where can I find the changelog?) 1190662231 M * daniel_hozac on the front page of linux-vserver.org? 1190662231 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1190662258 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1190662268 M * AStorm daniel_hozac: that's not detailed enough 1190662279 M * daniel_hozac eh? 1190662295 M * daniel_hozac you want annotated patches or what? 1190662305 M * AStorm well, it is detailed enough 1190662313 M * AStorm It just wasn't last time I checked. 1190662317 A * AStorm hides in shame 1190662337 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@kg0-231.kollegiegaarden.dk 1190662436 Q * Julius Remote host closed the connection 1190662912 Q * Piet_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190663223 J * kugg ~jerkeby@90-227-248-186-no120.tbcn.telia.com 1190663237 Q * JonB Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1190663436 Q * _jmcaricand_zzz Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1190663478 M * bXi can i change the way a vserver starts? 1190663488 M * bXi i dont have the need for the entire boot sequence 1190663504 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1190663514 J * Piet_ ~piet@tor.noreply.org 1190663542 M * bXi vserver $id start shows all processes starting and such in the case of a gentoo guest 1190663683 M * daniel_hozac and instead you'd want it to do...? 1190663785 M * Bertl bXi: vserver - start >/dev/null or so? 1190664092 J * CWC CWC@89-215-37-177.2073053861.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg 1190664343 M * Bertl welcome CWC! 1190664348 Q * CWC 1190664365 J * CWC ~CWC@89-215-37-177.2073053861.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg 1190664382 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190664396 Q * CWC 1190664402 J * CWC CWC@89-215-37-177.2073053861.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg 1190664429 M * Bertl CWC: hmm? 1190664454 M * CWC ? 1190664459 Q * coderanger_ Quit: coderanger_ 1190664477 M * Bertl CWC: was just wondering because you joined three times? 1190664485 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1190664494 M * bXi Bertl: something like that yes 1190664648 M * drsource CWC: hi 1190664734 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@ae-lally-green-64.dynamic2.rpi.edu 1190664876 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de 1190665338 Q * CWC Quit: Client exiting 1190665340 Q * drsource Quit: ß åùå âåðíóñü ;-) http://www.web-hack.ru 1190665354 J * CWC ~CWC@89-215-37-177.2073053861.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg 1190665426 Q * CWC 1190667998 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1190668005 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1190668023 M * epicbjorn nite bertl 1190668215 M * AStorm daniel_hozac: if you're not asleep yet: I'm getting some "xid member missing from user_struct" compile error with that patch 1190668225 M * AStorm should it even be there? 1190668248 M * daniel_hozac i've not looked at it at all. 1190668276 M * daniel_hozac in what file? 1190668281 M * AStorm ipc/mqueue.c 1190668293 M * AStorm and the struct is from include/linux/sched.h 1190668317 M * daniel_hozac i guess Bertl_zZ missed that one. 1190668320 M * AStorm I only see xid member in task_struct 1190668406 M * AStorm hmm, so I should add xid to it, or is the fix more convolved? 1190668436 M * daniel_hozac it should use user namespaces and thus not need an xid tagging. 1190668500 M * AStorm hmm 1190668638 M * AStorm mqueue_get_inode also uses vx_ipcmsg_* 1190668644 M * AStorm but it has access to *p 1190668650 M * AStorm which is current task 1190668689 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-249-108.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1190668690 M * AStorm the fix should be doing the same in mqueue_delete_inode, am I right? 1190668743 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190668743 Q * nebuchadnezzar Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190668743 J * nebuchad` ~nebu@82.233.222.74 1190668745 J * Fire_Egl ~FireEgl@2001:5c0:84dc:1:4:: 1190669031 Q * Fire_Egl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190669037 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1190669595 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1190669833 J * comfrey ~comfrey@c-76-105-237-96.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1190669961 Q * virtuoso_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190670029 J * fatgoose_ ~samuel@76-10-153-239.dsl.teksavvy.com 1190670029 Q * fatgoose Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190670093 Q * coderanger_ Quit: coderanger_ 1190670202 Q * comfrey Quit: leaving 1190670207 J * edible ~edible@12-216-231-163.client.mchsi.com 1190670219 J * comfrey ~comfrey@c-76-105-237-96.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1190670677 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85-127-116-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1190670898 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1190671115 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-130-73.dclient.hispeed.ch 1190671561 Q * onox Quit: zZzZ 1190671985 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-153-239.dsl.teksavvy.com 1190671985 Q * fatgoose_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190672079 Q * Adrinael Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1190672482 J * Adrinael adrinael@rid7.kyla.fi 1190672670 J * Gramba Ondo@chello089079165126.chello.pl 1190673140 Q * Gramba Quit: Gramba 1190673490 Q * hparker Quit: Food! 1190673627 Q * AStorm Quit: ET calling home 1190673971 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving. 1190674597 J * AStorm ~astralsto@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1190674630 M * AStorm ok, tomorrow or day later I'll test that new vserver patch :-) 1190674638 M * AStorm the kernel works, which is good 1190674989 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1190675009 M * dowdle Say, is there a limit to the amount of RAM the host can see with the Linux-VServer kernel? 1190675024 M * dowdle I have a machine with 16GB and it only sees 3GB for some reason. 1190675105 M * AStorm nope 1190675118 M * AStorm check kernel config - there are some options you have to set when on x86 1190675126 M * AStorm x86_64 has no such problems 1190675152 M * dowdle AStorm: Any way to pass a flag to the binary kernel I have now? 1190675153 M * AStorm dowdle: in "Processor types and features" 1190675167 M * dowdle AStorm: I didn't and am not compiling my own kernel. 1190675168 M * AStorm dowdle: nope, it's memory architecture change 1190675265 M * dowdle AStorm: I got the kernel from the repo provided for CentOS... mentioned here: http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_CentOS so... I guess there isn't a pre-compiled kernel with support for more RAM? 1190675281 M * AStorm maybe, look for "PAE support" 1190675306 M * AStorm there are 4 settings of HIGHMEM: none (up to 1 GB), 4GB and 64GB 1190675312 M * AStorm each step adds more overhead 1190675329 M * AStorm *3 settings 1190675366 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@pppoe-134.58.110.89-adsl.spbnit.ru 1190675530 M * dowdle AStorm: Thanks for the information. 1190675792 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net 1190675923 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1190675927 J * Fire_Egl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.IRCNut.Com 1190676241 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose 1190676849 P * dowdle Konversation terminated!