1189900827 Q * tzafrir Remote host closed the connection 1189901350 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.80.234 1189901371 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1189904257 Q * onox Quit: zZzZ 1189906337 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1189906369 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1189906564 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-90-160.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net 1189908633 Q * roym Remote host closed the connection 1189909505 Q * friendly12345 Quit: Leaving. 1189911518 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1189911522 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1189912379 J * tzafrir ~tzafrir@62.90.10.53 1189912412 M * tzafrir Added BINARY_MOUNT . And now mounting of sysfs still fails 1189912445 M * tzafrir mount("sysfs", "/var/cache/pbuilder/build/1434/sys", "sysfs", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) 1189912578 M * tzafrir Anybody running a pbuilder in a vserver? 1189912918 M * tzafrir someone before claimed only SECURE_MOUNT is required: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#inavserver 1189913632 M * tzafrir Right. The deb package seems to have a hook especially to work around that problem 1189913649 M * tzafrir I'm not sure exactly how it's supposed to work. And sadly it doesn't 1189915109 M * tzafrir hmm... replacing debootstrap with pdebootstrap did help, though 1189915578 M * mattzerah hi guys, anyone here able to help me with a networking/subet/routing issue ? 1189917630 M * tzafrir maybe 1189917642 M * tzafrir but only after you ask your question 1189918001 M * mattzerah hi tzafrir :) 1189918011 M * mattzerah i'm trying to isolate one machine from our network 1189918033 M * mattzerah for reasons beyond my controle there needs to be access to this one machine from outside 1189918048 M * mattzerah so i wnt to make sure the people accessing it cannot acess our internal network 1189918067 M * mattzerah so i thought i would put it on a subnet, and then route any traffic to and from that one machine through a linux box 1189918098 M * mattzerah initially proof of concept i wanted to set up an alias on an existing box and run both subnets on the same physical network 1189918117 M * mattzerah when i get that working i'll just buy a network card and run that machine on a separate physical network 1189918123 M * mattzerah does that make sense so far ? 1189918229 M * mattzerah anyway, i'm running centos 5.0, and so far i have setup the alias eth device on my linux box (our network is 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0, and the new subnet will be 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0). I also have the static ip set on the machjine that will be isoloated 1189918235 M * mattzerah so thats working fine so far 1189918255 M * tzafrir How is that relevant to vserver? 1189918277 M * mattzerah oh, sorry, i dind't mention off topic 1189918285 M * mattzerah dont worry, sorry 1189918299 M * tzafrir (I would generally avoid giving the whole of 10.x just for that, if you only need one address) 1189918370 M * mattzerah thanx anyway tzafrir have a great day 1189918386 M * tzafrir anyway, looks generally like a good plan 1189918401 M * mattzerah i'm just having a problem with the routing rule :/ 1189918433 M * mattzerah not quite sure what to put in iptables to give that machine access to the internet but not the rest of our network 1189918463 M * mattzerah if i masqurade then it sees everything the linux box sees (which is to be expected) 1189918564 M * tzafrir why NAT? simple routing 1189918590 M * tzafrir Just block any non-relevant transport to it 1189918641 M * mattzerah do i use iptables to achieve that ? 1189918655 M * tzafrir yes 1189918669 M * tzafrir but I have some other things to do right now... 1189918704 M * mattzerah ok, but thanyou for your time 1189918714 M * mattzerah i dont have much more time left today either :/ 1189922229 M * Supaplex I only have 4 minutes left before Saturday is over. 1189923708 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.103.10 1189924792 J * DavidS ~david@vpn.uni-ak.ac.at 1189925278 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189925583 J * jmcaricand ~jmcarican@d77-216-184-154.cust.tele2.fr 1189926695 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-90-160.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net 1189927776 Q * friendly12345 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189928077 J * dna ~dna@1-193-dsl.kielnet.net 1189928349 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp121-44-246-24.lns4.mel4.internode.on.net 1189931147 Q * dna Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189931311 J * dna ~dna@1-193-dsl.kielnet.net 1189933631 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1189934090 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1189934094 M * Bertl morning folks! 1189934120 M * neuralis 'morning 1189934125 M * neuralis how goes? 1189934145 M * Bertl well, morning-ly :) 1189934168 M * Bertl neuralis: you're still up? 1189934189 M * neuralis yeah, too much work these last few weeks before production begins 1189934205 M * Bertl I can imagine ... 1189934232 M * neuralis steady regimen of coffee, toasted sandwiches and lack of sleep :) 1189934263 J * arachnist arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl 1189934412 M * Bertl wb arachnist! 1189934992 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189935975 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189935995 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1189936323 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-130-73.dclient.hispeed.ch 1189936688 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189936801 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1189936875 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1189937166 Q * taruti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189937367 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189938647 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1189939627 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1189939673 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189939765 Q * Julius Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189943036 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1189943152 J * gagos ~psithris@88.218.47.38 1189943200 M * Bertl welcome gagos! 1189943208 M * gagos hello 1189943270 M * gagos does anyone else get a kernel panik after compiling 2.6.22.6 kernet with vs2.2.0.3-grsec2.1.11 ? 1189943298 M * Bertl maybe, did you try with 2.2.0.3 (without grsec?) 1189943327 M * gagos no 1189943337 M * gagos you think I should eh? 1189943378 M * Bertl definitely, if you get the panic with vanilla Linux-VServer, it is considered a bug and will be fixed ASAP 1189943409 M * Bertl do you have the trace available? 1189943413 M * gagos ok. I will give it a try right 1189943415 M * gagos no 1189943434 M * Bertl would help if you can capture it, either via serial console or with a camera or so 1189943452 M * gagos is there any email address to send it ? 1189943470 M * gagos I suppose with my kernel's .config file 1189943481 M * gagos too 1189943528 M * Bertl well, you can send it to the ML, or just upload it somewhere (e.g. paste.linux-vserver.org) and tell us here 1189943558 M * gagos ok. 1189943560 M * gagos brb 1189943941 Q * julius_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189945311 M * matti Hi B. 1189945430 M * Bertl hey m. 1189945440 M * matti :) 1189945444 A * matti pokes Hollow 1189945450 M * matti Hollow: Woke up. 1189945455 M * Hollow eeew 1189945457 M * Hollow :P 1189945458 M * matti Hahaha. 1189945488 M * matti Hollow: Because of you I was reading introduction to Ruby all night along ;p 1189945492 M * matti Hollow: I hate ya ;p 1189945499 M * Hollow ah, great :) 1189945503 M * matti Hollow: Coffee? ;] 1189945509 M * Hollow sure 1189945518 M * matti :) 1189945524 M * matti Bertl: Fancy some coffee? 1189945550 M * Hollow matti: bribe the devs, eh? ;) 1189945577 M * bXi has any of you put any thoughts into nethack map generation? :p 1189945588 M * Hollow nethack? 1189945597 M * bXi yes :p 1189945638 M * matti Hollow: Shhyyy... It's not a bribe... It's investment ;p 1189945644 M * Hollow hehe 1189945753 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-254-210.pools.arcor-ip.net 1189945799 M * Bertl welcome ftx! 1189945912 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189946046 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189946620 A * matti hands coffee to Hollow and Bertl 1189946746 M * Bertl tx, okay, back later ... 1189946751 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1189947059 Q * tzafrir Read error: Operation timed out 1189947251 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1189947773 J * tzafrir ~tzafrir@62.90.10.53 1189948172 Q * gagos Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1189949323 P * friendly12345 1189949682 Q * virtuoso Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189949907 J * gagos ~psithris@88.218.44.107 1189949912 M * gagos hello again 1189949953 M * gagos you can see the kernel panic for the problem I mentioned before at http://ykontekakis.googlepages.com/home 1189950005 M * Bertl_oO nice, do you have the kernel build tree available? 1189950012 M * gagos yes 1189950053 M * Bertl_oO does 'addr2line -e vmlinux ' give you something? 1189950067 M * Bertl_oO replace with the address listed as EIP 1189950175 M * gagos I am typing: addr2line -e vmlinux '00e0:[<0000b438>]' 1189950184 M * gagos and get: ??:0 1189950202 M * gagos is it what you want ? 1189950242 M * Bertl_oO hmm, try just 'addr2line -e vmlinux e000b438' 1189950286 M * Bertl_oO probably won't give much either ... 1189950294 M * gagos intel_cacheinfo.c:0 1189950298 M * gagos is the responce 1189950311 M * Bertl_oO hmm, not necessarily relevant 1189950324 M * Bertl_oO how do you trigger the oops? 1189950335 M * Bertl_oO does it happen on bootup? 1189950382 M * gagos If you mean if I get the kernel panic when the system boots, yes this is the case 1189950419 M * Bertl_oO okay, so I take it it happens always, yes? 1189950437 M * gagos yes 1189950439 M * Bertl_oO in this case, I would suggest the following approach: 1189950453 M * Bertl_oO recompile the kernel with debugging info turned on 1189950477 M * Bertl_oO reboot (maybe select a smaller font at boot time) 1189950497 M * matti gagos: You sure that you have proper architecture selected? 1189950507 M * gagos yes I am sure 1189950534 M * gagos to enable debuging I have to choose: kernel hacking->kernel debuging. right ? 1189950574 M * Bertl_oO yep, or simply CONFIG_DEBUG and CONFIG_INFO_VERBOSE, IIRC 1189950592 M * matti gagos: I can help you with what you need to enable. Bertl was helping me with this recently. 1189950625 M * Bertl_oO gagos: okay, and please compile a kernel with the same config but mainline Linux-VServer patches too 1189950648 M * gagos if it is possible it would like this help 1189950667 M * Bertl_oO this way we can a) gather some more info about the issue, and b) check if it is Linux-VServer or grsec/fusion related 1189950691 M * gagos I suppose you want first a grsec enabled kernel with debugging and afterwards the mainline 1189950703 M * matti gagos: Give me 3 min, I need to move to my desktop downstairs. 1189950719 M * matti gagos: BTW, do you have some fancy thing like CPU hotplugging, etc? 1189950722 M * Bertl_oO gagos: the order doesn't matter .. 1189950731 M * gagos no 1189950744 M * gagos I can give you my .config file if you like 1189950750 M * Bertl_oO gagos: let's keep the config (except for the debug part unmodified for now) 1189950752 M * gagos its really minimalistic 1189950789 M * matti :) 1189950813 M * matti gagos: cp .config{,.backup} 1189950847 M * gagos done 1189951101 M * gagos matti: whenever you are ready I am waiting for your instructions 1189951310 M * matti :) 1189952731 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189954396 J * goodwise ~sdfhdsfh@88.134.75.89 1189954929 J * roym ~user@adsl-065-006-164-142.sip.mia.bellsouth.net 1189954964 M * roym hi - can sshd_config have a range of ListenAddress values? I tried:ListenAddress 192.168.1.1 1189954979 M * roym sorry "ListenAddress 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.254" 1189954986 M * roym and it complained about the syntax 1189955125 M * roym 192.168.1.0/24 doesn't work either. 1189955173 M * roym I find it hard to believe that its either 0.0.0.0 or a single address only 1189955210 M * doener according to sshd_config(5), it is. (Well, you could use ListenAddress 254 times) 1189955248 M * doener why don't you just specify one address and let iptables care about translating the whole range? 1189955253 M * sid3windr roym: you can/have to use it multiple times :) 1189955320 M * roym doener: intriguing - do you have a rough example for the iptables incantation? 1189955607 M * doener sth. like: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m iprange --dst-range 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.254 --dport 22 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:22 1189955638 M * doener needs kernel support though 1189955673 M * doener CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_IPRANGE 1189955710 M * doener (and the command might not be 100% correct, just composed it using other rules + manpage ;-)) 1189955763 M * roym doener: thanks - that helps me greatly 1189955909 M * doener you're welcome 1189957496 N * ensc Guest408 1189957506 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4CA84.dip.t-dialin.net 1189957613 Q * Guest408 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189958137 Q * roym Remote host closed the connection 1189958378 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189958509 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189959040 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1189959888 Q * gagos Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189960485 J * gagos ~psithris@88.218.54.19 1189960538 Q * gagos Remote host closed the connection 1189960558 J * gagos ~psithris@88.218.54.19 1189960611 Q * ftx Remote host closed the connection 1189961085 M * gagos Bertl_oO: I have the trace of my 2.6.22.6 + grsec kernel with debugging enabled. Would you like to have a look ? 1189961094 M * bXi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers 1189961465 Q * balbir Quit: Ex-Chat 1189961788 M * arachnist bXi: old 1189962244 P * gagos 1189962524 M * matti ;] 1189962855 J * gagos ~psithris@dsl-88-218-85-118.customers.vivodi.gr 1189963775 Q * goodwise 1189964117 M * daniel_hozac gagos: well... 2.6.22.6 + vserver would've been more interesting from our PoV, i guess. 1189964187 M * gagos hmm... ok. I will compile a new kernel with grsec disabled 1189964254 M * daniel_hozac but you could just go straight for vanilla, i guess. you seem to error very early, i doubt it's related to either. 1189964304 M * gagos did you see the traces in the page provided ? 1189964312 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1189964375 M * gagos does it tell something to you? can I do anything before building a vanilla kernel ? 1189964546 Q * gagos Remote host closed the connection 1189965595 M * Supaplex how strange. one moment my console appears hosed from a goofus X shtudown, and it springs back into some normalcy just as init 6 starts tearing down the system. 1189965784 M * sid3windr nomalcy o_O 1189965787 M * sid3windr +r 1189965801 M * daniel_hozac did you try to just switch VT? 1189965813 M * Supaplex I did 1189965823 M * Supaplex I ran sudo chvt 6 1189965829 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B27D65.dip.t-dialin.net 1189965865 M * Supaplex monitor showed funny colors and different random charaters, but sudo cat /dev/vsc6 showed all '?' 1189965901 M * Supaplex before cat showed startx had ran, and returned to the shell prompt. 1189966007 M * Supaplex I'm taking notes of the contention I see between xorg's vesa,i810,nv,nvidia drivers (one of two screens, both screens, etc) w/ or w/o xen. (for a soon to be filed bugreport) 1189966015 M * Supaplex on xen of course. :) 1189966288 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189967140 J * roym ~user@adsl-065-006-164-142.sip.mia.bellsouth.net 1189967191 M * roym hi - I need to persist my iptables rules for VPSs (guests). How would I do this? 1189967263 M * Supaplex iptable-save comes to mind, but I'm not sure how it relates to guests. 1189967274 M * Supaplex iptables-save i mean 1189967455 M * roym Supaplex: yeah, but I was hoping that there might a file in /etc/vservers/*/... that would be read on startup, where I could store the rules. 1189967481 M * Supaplex I haven't played with that yet. my vserver patch is the etch oldness. 1189967622 M * daniel_hozac no, util-vserver doesn't touch iptables. 1189967636 M * daniel_hozac just use your distribution's iptables script. 1189967666 M * roym ah - makes sense, thanks. 1189968297 Q * roym Remote host closed the connection 1189968328 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@185.84-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1189968579 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@pppoe-211.58.110.89-adsl.spbnit.ru 1189968755 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-130-73.dclient.hispeed.ch 1189968994 Q * ktwilight Remote host closed the connection 1189969062 Q * jmcaricand Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1189969130 J * gagos ~psithris@88.218.45.83 1189969379 M * gagos for the problem that I reported earlier, I have to mention that it was not related with vserver or grsec, a simple pci=nobios kernel parameter solved it. Thanks for the help 1189969440 Q * Pazzo Quit: ... 1189969657 J * |Baby| ~miry@195.37.62.208 1189969858 Q * Baby Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189969901 Q * gagos Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1189969947 N * |Baby| Baby 1189970167 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1189970549 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1189971172 M * yang I am looking for a Graphical Control panel for the linux system, preferably debian. Any free versions available? 1189971231 M * daniel_hozac for vserver? 1189971254 M * yang well yeah 1189971263 M * matti :) 1189971287 M * daniel_hozac OpenVCP, OpenVPS, are the only ones i know of. 1189971300 M * yang I cannot get any customer without control panel installed :( 1189971313 M * yang daniel_hozac: are those still maintained, do you know? 1189971321 M * matti Write your own :) 1189971322 M * daniel_hozac OpenVCP is, i think. 1189971460 J * ema ~ema@fw.galliera.it 1189971645 M * yang daniel_hozac: is that OpenVCP usually started on root-server and it manages guests? 1189971656 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1189971684 M * yang ok 1189972322 J * roym ~user@adsl-065-006-164-142.sip.mia.bellsouth.net 1189972362 M * roym I am trying to do a bind mount; my understanding is obviously flawed... 1189972362 M * roym this fails (silently): 1189972362 M * roym vnamespace -e barry2007 mount --bind /home /var/lib/vservers/barry2007/tmp/xx 1189972370 M * roym what am I doing wrong? 1189972390 M * roym can I only bind mount dirs that are within /var/lib/vservers? 1189972462 M * daniel_hozac what do you mean by fails? 1189972473 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving. 1189972479 M * daniel_hozac is /home a separate mount on the host? 1189972763 M * roym yes, this is just a trial, but /home is on the host... I run the mount on the host, and when I enter the guest (barry2007), there is nothing under /tmmp/xx 1189972797 M * daniel_hozac if /home is a separate mount on the host, it most likely got cleaned up during namespace cleanup and doesn't exist in the guest's namespace. 1189972830 M * daniel_hozac i.e. you just bind mounted an empty directory. 1189973346 M * roym I don't understand vnamespace; if in the guest, I do "mkdir /tmp/xx", then from the host I would expect "vnamespace -e barry2007 ls /tmp" to show me "xx", but I don't see it. 1189973399 M * daniel_hozac just entering the namespace isn't enough. 1189973444 M * daniel_hozac /tmp in the namespace is still the host's /tmp, assuming it's not a mountpoint. 1189973502 M * roym so I'd have to say: vnamespace -e barry2007 ls /var/lib/vservers/barry2007/tmp/ to see it? 1189973509 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1189973719 M * roym I guess what seems odd is that you supposedly enter the "namespace of" barry2007 - so shouldn't you be seeing the fileystem as barry2007 does? 1189973730 M * daniel_hozac namespace + chroot would get you there. 1189973755 M * roym ok 1189973766 M * daniel_hozac the namespace is just the mount points. 1189973788 M * daniel_hozac (if it changed the root too, vnamespace would be rather useless...) 1189973966 M * roym If I do "vnamespace -e barry2007 mkdir /tmp/joe" 1189973973 M * roym where does "joe" get created? 1189973981 M * daniel_hozac in the host's /tmp. 1189973996 M * roym hmm... ls /tmp/ doesn't show it 1189974006 M * daniel_hozac is /tmp a mount point on the host? 1189974012 M * roym yes 1189974039 M * daniel_hozac so, that's why. 1189974044 M * roym ?? 1189974054 M * daniel_hozac it's on the host's /, in /tmp. 1189974070 M * daniel_hozac but due to the mount point, you don't see it. 1189974078 M * roym ah.. 1189974105 M * roym that's a tough one! 1189974116 M * roym for me, at least 1189974255 M * roym but thanks! 1189974422 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-130-73.dclient.hispeed.ch 1189974501 Q * julius_ Remote host closed the connection 1189974534 M * roym the logical followup question (if you're not tired of this) is: can I make a dir from a filesystem mounted on the host available under a mounted filesystem on the guest, via bind. 1189974602 M * daniel_hozac sure, as long as the guest's namespace still has path you want to mount. 1189974619 M * daniel_hozac the easiest way is to use /etc/vservers//fstab. 1189974631 M * daniel_hozac which would do everything for you, and you wouldn't have to worry. 1189974635 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@pppoe-174.58.110.89-adsl.spbnit.ru 1189974696 M * roym great! 1189974917 Q * bonbons Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189975042 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1189975791 J * mmouse ~mmouse@office.haefft.de 1189975916 M * mmouse hello there - what is the suggested configuration for the lo interface in a current vserver guest - perhaps anybody could point me to some uptodate doc? 1189975932 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1189975978 M * mmouse daniel: should I configure something like 127.0.0.50 as an interface for the guest? or nothing at all? 1189975987 M * daniel_hozac why would you? 1189976035 M * mmouse lets say I want to do something like ping localhost - or have an exim mail listening on a local port 1189976066 M * mmouse or do I miss something? 1189976098 M * daniel_hozac ping localhost should work provided you changed /etc/hosts. 1189976119 M * mmouse change to what? the normal (public) guest ip? 1189976132 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1189976171 M * mmouse ah, ok. so there's no need for an loopback interface at all? 1189976179 M * daniel_hozac not really. 1189976214 M * mmouse ok, I'll try to get away with this :) 1189976219 M * mmouse thanks 1189976717 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1189976756 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-250-174.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1189976836 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@185.84-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1189977618 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1189978463 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1189979985 Q * ktwilight Remote host closed the connection 1189981059 Q * ema Quit: nn 1189981404 Q * renihs_ Quit: Leaving 1189982602 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1189985056 Q * mmouse 1189986033 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed .. have a good one! 1189986037 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1189986550 M * Supaplex sweet dreams Bertl_zZ :)