1188691231 J * buzztracker ~buzztrack@213.251.133.67 1188691372 Q * pflanze Quit: good night 1188691686 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1188692084 M * daniel_hozac woah, there's a new dietlibc? 1188692098 M * Bertl really? 1188692238 J * badari2 ~badari@200.157.90.3 1188692351 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1188692392 M * Bertl wow, quite a number of fixes/changes 1188692416 J * badari ~badari@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1188692420 M * daniel_hozac doesn't seem to have the fix for readdir on sparc64 though... 1188692436 M * Bertl probably wasn't obvious for fefe :) 1188692454 M * Bertl welcome back badari/1/2 :) 1188692650 Q * badari1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188692798 Q * badari2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188693039 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@ae-lally-green-10.dynamic2.rpi.edu 1188693730 Q * slack101 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188694054 J * badari1 ~badari@200.157.90.3 1188694274 J * badari2 ~badari@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1188694315 M * bzed does ipv6 + vservers work well together? 1188694326 M * Bertl yes 1188694331 M * bzed cool 1188694377 M * bzed it's time to move some stuff to ipv6 :) 1188694396 M * Bertl just make sure that you have recent patches and tools 1188694482 Q * badari Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188694695 Q * badari1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188694793 Q * buzztracker Quit: Leaving 1188694836 J * buzztracker ~buzztrack@213.251.133.67 1188695047 M * bzed Bertl: is the latest patch with grsec recent enough? 1188695076 M * Bertl no idea, is it based on 2.3.0.17+? 1188695101 M * bzed vs2.2.0-grsec2.1.10 1188695118 M * Bertl for that one, you will need patches to make ipv6 work _inside_ a guest 1188695240 M * bzed do you know if there'll be a 2.3.x + grsec patch soon? 1188695275 M * Bertl you have to ask harry about that, he is maintaining the combo patches 1188695418 M * bzed harry: will there be a 2.3.x + grsec patch soon? 1188695637 M * bzed time for bed, thanks for your help Bertl 1188695757 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-75-40.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net 1188695902 M * Bertl bzed: you're welcome! 1188697248 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend 1188697319 J * DoberMann_ ~james@90.30.173.202 1188697408 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188697547 Q * coderanger_ Quit: coderanger_ 1188698398 Q * buzztracker Quit: Leaving 1188698643 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@ae-lally-green-10.dynamic2.rpi.edu 1188700132 J * virtuoso_ ~s0t0na@pppoe-16.58.110.89-adsl.spbnit.ru 1188700542 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188701001 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one! 1188701008 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1188709511 Q * nitro Quit: Quitte 1188709918 M * hparker Anyone using shorewall on their host system? 1188712834 J * buzztracker ~buzztrack@213.251.133.67 1188716396 Q * buzztracker Quit: Leaving 1188717719 M * hparker nm, got it 1188719800 M * igraltista_ yes i use shorewall 1188719891 M * hparker It was a lack of knowledge... I had eth0 loading before lo, as soon as I reversed that, it saw the world ;) 1188719913 M * igraltista_ what i think was to use a bridge for the vguest, so than mayby different bridges fro different networks, so than is better with shorewall to build differnet zones 1188719965 M * hparker actually, I stuck them both in the same zone and just used SNAT.. Only thing I'll have to DNAT is ssh from the looks of it 1188720180 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27CF1.dip.t-dialin.net 1188720206 M * hparker igraltista_: http://rafb.net/p/hD79kd40.html 1188720229 M * hparker i'll tighten it up after I figure out what needs tightened ;) 1188720315 M * hparker Probably won't need much though 1188720315 J * julius_ ~julius@p57B27CF1.dip.t-dialin.net 1188720466 M * igraltista_ this i mean, the dmz has no seperate interface, for this mybay use a bridge 1188720476 M * igraltista_ only speculating :) 1188720484 M * igraltista_ this i will try 1188720491 M * hparker yeah, but i only have 1 ip to use 1188720520 M * hparker My test setup bridges IPs, but it was in my lan where I have all the IPs I could ever want 1188720564 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann 1188720599 M * hparker I'll end up with lighthttpd and postfix on the host forwarding to the proper guest 1188720623 M * hparker Unless I can find something lighter then postfix 1188720692 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188720699 M * igraltista_ postfix is ok for me,the is the first package usally wich i replace the exim in the debian installation with postfix 1188720734 M * hparker ;) 1188721822 J * dna ~dna@89.27.219.244 1188722111 N * |pmenier| pmenier 1188722349 N * julius_ Julius 1188724112 Q * Baby Remote host closed the connection 1188724149 Q * ktwilight Remote host closed the connection 1188725008 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.102.245 1188725253 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1188725535 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1188726432 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1188727305 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.109.11 1188727310 Q * coderanger_ Quit: coderanger_ 1188727862 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1188728174 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1188728847 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1188733048 J * jmcaricand ~jmcarican@83.179.251.242 1188733604 Q * Loki|muh Remote host closed the connection 1188736079 J * balbir ~balbir@194.42.125.16 1188736160 Q * balbir 1188736306 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.145 1188737801 Q * Julius Remote host closed the connection 1188737807 J * balbir ~balbir@194.42.125.16 1188738497 J * |pmenier| ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-104-94.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr 1188738815 Q * pmenier Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188740009 J * Julius ~julius@p57B27CF1.dip.t-dialin.net 1188741002 J * Risjh rsjds@59.93.128.184 1188741020 M * Risjh hi, is it possible to have a xen-vserver and openvz supporting kernel? 1188741033 M * Risjh i know theres a xen-vserver one 1188741172 N * Risjh grub 1188741181 M * sid3windr maybe you should ask the openvz people instead of the vserver people? 1188741187 M * sid3windr as evidently they have one :p 1188741196 M * grub they do? 1188741204 M * sid3windr they as in the vserver people, yes 1188741209 M * sid3windr you just said you know there is one :p 1188741234 M * grub ah, yeah :P 1188741734 J * Baby ~miry@195.37.62.208 1188741967 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@52.91-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1188743642 M * igraltista_ hi 1188743664 M * igraltista_ i saw debian packages with label xen-vserver 1188743671 M * igraltista_ so this should work 1188743677 M * ard Hmmmm... 1188743727 M * grub igraltist, yeah, opz guys say they think we can apply a opz patch on a xen-vsever kernel 1188743737 A * ard is doing vnamespace --enter blaat mount -o bind /some/mountpoint /var/lib/vservers/blaat/some/mountpoint 1188743783 M * ard Am I seeing this al wrong? Since I only get a part of the / device, as if /some/mountpoint is missing... 1188743798 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1188743802 M * ard clearly I am missing some clue about namespaces 1188743850 M * ard If I want to bind a mountpoint in the root server into a live vserver, should the above bind simply work? 1188743866 M * daniel_hozac no. 1188743867 M * ard Of should I put /some/mountpoint also in another namespace? 1188743874 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1188743897 A * ard figured so... 1188743917 P * friendly12345 1188743949 M * ard does bind only work when the vserver is started (because the namespace get's cleaned afterwards) 1188743982 M * daniel_hozac it works after that too, you're just limited to whatever is actually present inside the namespace. 1188744088 M * ard that's what I meant. 1188744129 M * ard But to get new things, or actually cleaned stuff back into that namespace I have to just mount it again? Or only mount it again in that namespace? 1188744131 M * ard Hmmm 1188744178 M * ard besonen_mobile__: vnamespace --enter blaat mount /some/mountpoint, and after that the bind? 1188744191 M * ard aargh... that was actually so : 1188744204 M * daniel_hozac sure. 1188744316 M * ard daniel_hozac : thanks... it works. And some more clue inside my head.... 1188744381 M * ard although I wonder if I have 2 mounts right now, or does namespace seperation already do stuff like that? 1188744404 M * ard Or does the mount in blaat only work if the rootserver had the same mount? 1188744414 A * ard is going to think about that another time 1188744558 Q * igraltista_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188745155 M * daniel_hozac you have 2 mounts. 1188745171 M * daniel_hozac whenever you create a new namespace, every single mount from your current namespace is cloned. 1188746713 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac 1188746713 M * matti ;] 1188746719 M * matti sid3windr: :) 1188746733 M * sid3windr mutti 1188746838 Q * jmcaricand Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1188746947 J * DavidS ~david@p548134D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1188746993 N * DavidS DavidS|Vechta 1188747423 J * rorem-78 ~roremtank@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net 1188747578 M * matti :) 1188747600 A * matti is looking for interesting news sites about Linux, security, etc. 1188747617 M * matti I lost my RSS feed archive by accident ;p 1188747624 M * matti One rm to far ;p 1188747930 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188748391 M * sid3windr backups ftw 1188748599 M * matti sid3windr: You know... tough guys don't make backups ;-D 1188748600 M * matti ;p 1188748638 A * sid3windr is a pussy then ;/ 1188748645 M * sid3windr even my home desktop is on raid1 ;/ 1188748651 M * sid3windr (yes, that's not a backup) 1188748656 M * matti Hehehe. 1188748656 M * matti ;] 1188748661 M * sid3windr (but it's also backed up daily to my fileserver) 1188748662 M * matti I was about saying that :) 1188748679 M * matti sid3windr: I've such weird thingy: 1188748714 M * matti 2x 500 GB USB drives connected to NSLU2. NSLU2 has USB network card and it is connected to AP. 1188748736 M * sid3windr USB network card?! 1188748736 M * matti sid3windr: Everything is in RAID1 as well as encrypted by using TrueCrypt :) 1188748740 M * matti sid3windr: Yes ;] 1188748743 M * matti sid3windr: The problem is... 1188748755 M * matti sid3windr: I always forgot to make a backup ;p 1188748784 A * sid3windr automates it :p 1188748807 A * matti is messing with his desktop too much, so he cannot relay on automated backups ;/ 1188748814 M * sid3windr :] 1188748853 M * daniel_hozac hi matti 1188748866 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac :) 1188748933 M * matti sid3windr: My box is something between desktop and server and test machine with Debian mixed with Gentoo and Fedora Core + Arch Linux. As well as NetBSD. 1188748957 M * matti sid3windr: I need to sort this out because sometimes this drives me crazy ;] 1188749173 M * dsoul install windows :-P 1188749233 M * DavidS|Vechta matti: you want to look into backuppc and puppet :) solves most private backup and all (linux) automation :) 1188749284 M * sid3windr bacula! 1188749290 M * matti DavidS|Vechta: NSLU2 is enough. 1188749294 M * matti DavidS|Vechta: It is just me ;] 1188749309 M * daniel_hozac rsync :) 1188749314 M * matti DavidS|Vechta: I've incremental backup in place, but I need to trigger them automatically. 1188749326 M * matti daniel_hozac: rsync is not that good as rdiff. 1188749335 M * matti daniel_hozac: For personal files you want incremental backup ;] 1188749363 M * daniel_hozac i typically only add/remove files, so rsync works fine for me... 1188749372 M * matti :) 1188749524 M * DavidS|Vechta matti: backuppc is a daemon trying to make backups as often as you tell him. If your desktop is running it will be backupped 1188749590 M * matti Oh. 1188749591 M * matti OK. 1188749593 M * matti :) 1188749597 M * matti I will take a look then. 1188749604 M * matti Thanks ;] 1188749627 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4D43A.dip.t-dialin.net 1188749651 M * DavidS|Vechta sure :) 1188749748 M * Borg- matti: why doing backups? 1188749756 M * matti Borg-: For fun. 1188749762 M * Borg- & profit? ;) ja ja 1188749767 M * Borg- ok.. 1188751814 N * |pmenier| pmenier 1188751856 M * matti ;D 1188752895 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1188752899 Q * grub Quit: Leaving 1188753995 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188754331 Q * pmenier Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1188754556 J * jmcaricand ~jmcarican@d83-179-251-242.cust.tele2.fr 1188755378 J * dth ~dth@82-168-127-52.ip.tiscali.nl 1188755448 M * dth Hi, does anybody if (and if yes where) a 2.6.23-rcX kernel patch is available in beta somewhere ? 1188755570 M * phreak`` dth: usually its at http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/?C=M&O=D, but it doesn't look like there is any :) 1188755744 M * dth phreak: thanks ! i've bookmarked the link 1188755751 M * phreak`` hehe 1188755788 M * dth in that case i'll go back to some testing 2.6.22.6 ;-) 1188755796 Q * dth Quit: leaving 1188756005 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188757098 Q * nebuchadnezzar Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) 1188757437 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1188757838 Q * nebuchadnezzar Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) 1188758727 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-20-183.dclient.hispeed.ch 1188759319 Q * jmcaricand Remote host closed the connection 1188759417 N * DoberMann DoberMann[Flim] 1188759634 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1188760616 Q * DavidS|Vechta Quit: Leaving. 1188761825 M * matti Hi phreak`` 1188761825 Q * duckx Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188761856 M * phreak`` hey matti 1188761870 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1188762179 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com 1188762570 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso 1188763062 Q * nebuchadnezzar Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1188763826 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1188764378 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1188764544 M * daniel_hozac Hollow, phreak``, micah, ensc, everybody: util-vserver 0.30.214 released, http://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/utils/util-vserver/util-vserver-0.30.214.tar.bz2 1188764571 T * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0.3, 2.0.3-rc3, devel 2.3.0.17, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0.3 | util-vserver-0.30.214 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1188764592 M * Hollow yay :) 1188764754 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: http://cia.vc/stats/project/gentoo/.message/dafa1af :) 1188764799 M * daniel_hozac :) 1188765004 M * Hollow i can finally resolve the posix bug now :) 1188765211 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1188765217 M * Bertl morning folks! 1188765221 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: congrats! 1188766268 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1188766283 M * daniel_hozac thanks :) 1188766320 M * micah daniel_hozac: ooh 1188766355 M * micah daniel_hozac: does this resolve the ext3 headers issue? 1188766378 M * daniel_hozac no. 1188766394 M * micah did you post to lkml about that? I've been meaning to look 1188766401 M * daniel_hozac not yet. 1188766412 M * Bertl hmm, but the maintainer already answered, IIRC 1188766426 Q * Julius Remote host closed the connection 1188766512 M * micah Bertl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439133 is the latest 1188766640 M * Bertl yeah, but I didn't completely get it, as I would expect c99 to define exactly those values 1188766671 M * Bertl (maybe it is again one of those __u64 is better than uint64_t discussions :) 1188766745 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188766746 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188766841 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm? 1188766911 N * DoberMann[Flim] DoberMann 1188767063 M * Bertl well, haven't read it in detail, so I'm probably missing the issue 1188767063 Q * coderanger_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767117 M * daniel_hozac __u64 isn't defined when using -std=c99 1188767123 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1188767146 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: yeah, we agree on that, but uint64_t should be, no? (after including stdint.h 1188767153 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1188767176 M * Bertl so everybody would be happy with that, no? 1188767187 M * daniel_hozac you'd think so :) 1188767191 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767242 M * Bertl but when I got it correctly, ttso suggests to avoid using any standard (except for the kernel standards :) 1188767243 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767253 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767323 M * Bertl well, personally I think simply adding a few defines like #define __u64 uint64_t should work (or even typedefs if preferred) 1188767323 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767324 M * micah i dont really follow this issue either and am afraid I can't get the new util-vserver compiled with the toolchain in debian unstable until its resolved 1188767351 M * Bertl micah: try to add a trivial patch which does what ttso suggests? 1188767367 M * daniel_hozac personally i'd go for the typedef or #define. 1188767408 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767424 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767434 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: yep, but that might be too complicated for micah to test 1188767455 M * Bertl (maybe I'm wrong, but otherwise he would have fixed it already, no?) 1188767499 M * micah well I haven't fixed it because its unclear to me that I should be doing so, and if so how to go about it 1188767547 M * micah making a debian patch for util-vserver wont make the problem go away as this will occur in other places 1188767583 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767606 M * daniel_hozac that's the quick-fix. 1188767634 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767686 M * micah to manually undef __STRICT_ANSI__ around the linux/types.h and ext2fs/ext2_fs.h? 1188767686 Q * coderanger_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767689 M * Bertl micah: IMHO long-term fixes include (but are not limited to): 1188767691 Q * Pazzo Quit: ... 1188767700 M * Bertl - fixing/adapting gcc 1188767704 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188767716 M * Bertl - moving the ext2 headers into the c99 world 1188767737 M * Bertl - avoiding ANSI C code in userspace :) 1188767791 M * Bertl as I'm almost certain that 1) will take ages, 2) will never happen as long as ttso is working on it, and 3) will be the debian choice ... I would suggest a quick-fix :) 1188767798 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767849 J * coderanger_ ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188767850 Q * coderanger Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188768017 M * micah well I dont mind doing the quick fix and filing the bug against the linux-libc-dev package as ttso suggests, but I am not really clear what that quick fix is. Is it to add a #undef __STRICT_ANSI__ everywhere in util-vserver there is a #include (such as kernel/network.h, kernel/switch.h)? 1188768019 Q * coderanger_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1188768068 M * daniel_hozac you've got some options there. 1188768074 M * Bertl as daniel_hozac suggested, the better fix would be to define the missing types 1188768460 M * micah so options are: 1. undef'ing __STRICT_ANSI__; 2. #define __u64 uint64_t somewhere(?); 3. typedefs somewhere 1188768497 M * Bertl yeah, basically, where 3 is somewhere in the type headers 1188768528 M * cehteh mhm looks like you have some fun here :) 1188768550 M * Bertl always 1188768550 M * cehteh linux isnt gpl3 .. why should it be c99 then :) 1188768587 M * Bertl well, fortunately c99 doesn't have any legal obligations :) 1188768652 M * micah ok... unfortunately where and how to do those defines are not clear to me 1188768691 M * Bertl I wonder why we didn't see this issue on anything _but_ debian yet? 1188768711 M * daniel_hozac micah: lib/ext2fs.h looks like a good place, no? 1188768720 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1188768731 M * Bertl surrounded by #ifdef __STRICT_ANSI__ 1188768743 M * micah Bertl: probably because debian has the most up-to-date gcc toolchain than any distro at the moment 1188768774 M * Bertl micah: please explain ... 1188768776 M * daniel_hozac has nothing to do with gcc, that hasn't changed for quite some time... 1188768863 M * Bertl IMHO it is the ext2/3/4 headers which changed, yes? 1188768876 M * daniel_hozac and i just built util-vserver against 2.6.22.5-based headers. 1188768944 M * daniel_hozac i think it's the e2fslibs headers that changed. 1188768955 M * daniel_hozac using __u64 in userspace doesn't look ideal... 1188768978 M * micah so ttso put in newer e2fslibs headers into debian than are accepted in the kernel? 1188769000 M * daniel_hozac e2fslibs is userspace. 1188769042 M * micah latest in debian is 1.40.2-1 1188769152 Q * Baby Remote host closed the connection 1188769776 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-255-55.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1188770692 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1188773641 J * coderanger ~coderange@kantrn.stu.rpi.edu 1188774301 M * Bertl OT (but funny): hehe, didn't know that hitachi was depicting write errors (http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/hddpdf/tech/chart13.pdf :) 1188774921 A * sid3windr doesn't get it 1188774947 M * Bertl look at the picture showing the PMR, look closely at the arrows 1188775211 M * Bertl (the ones in the recording medium, left side, right after the shield) 1188775331 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1188775407 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-20-183.dclient.hispeed.ch 1188775898 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep