1188260125 M * slack102 Bertl: whats those 2 different kinds of mem called RSS and thats the other ?
1188260200 M * Bertl VM/AS?
1188260323 M * slack102 Bertl: does vserver provide burstable memory 
1188260335 M * Bertl no bursting here :)
1188260341 M * slack102 ah
1188260362 M * slack102 so lets say 256 is the limit 
1188260371 M * slack102 after that is kills the process or how does that work ?
1188260373 M * Bertl as we do not do magical memory management just accounting and limits, there is no need for that
1188260390 M * Bertl you have a soft and a hard limit
1188260404 M * slack102 i never really understood the difference never needed to until now 
1188260408 M * Bertl being over the soft limit will penalize the guest (in some ways)
1188260408 M * slack102 soft does what ?
1188260413 M * slack102 how so ?
1188260428 M * Bertl being over the hard limit will cause things to die (e.g. OOM killer and such)
1188260442 M * slack102 what exactly will the soft limit do ?
1188260460 M * Bertl if there is enough memory available on the host, not much
1188260500 M * Bertl if there is memory pressure on the host, then the guest will have a 'disadvantage' over other guests
1188260530 M * Bertl like, e.g. when the OOM killer strikes, processes of that guest will get favored
1188260544 M * slack102 yea
1188260545 M * slack102 hmm
1188260555 M * slack102 kinda cool
1188260570 M * slack102 some places are obsessed with burstable ram 
1188260588 M * slack102 most likely becasue they use 
1188260589 M * slack102 openvz
1188260603 M * Bertl or Xen, IIRC
1188260622 M * Bertl at least they do something similar with proper drivers
1188260687 M * slack102 ah yea
1188260896 M * slack102 Bertl: lets say alot of ram is being used and the guest has a 256 soft limit what would happen Bertl
1188260932 M * Bertl very much depends on what the guest actually uses, and if there is memory pressure on the host
1188260958 M * Bertl as usual, if there is no real reason to intervene, everything will work fine and performant
1188261448 M * AStorm Yes, Xen has a real "balloon" driver
1188261461 M * AStorm unlike OpenVZ
1188261502 M * AStorm the memory is divided hard, instead of despicable hack that OpenVZ VM is
1188261530 M * Bertl well, the disadvantage of the hard division is the lack of sharing on Xen
1188261556 M * Bertl which gives Linux-VServer a nice advantage over Xen (especially with several similar guests)
1188261596 M * AStorm yes
1188261631 M * AStorm OpenVZ seems to do _some_ sharing, but how and what, I don't know
1188261866 M * AStorm and don't want to :-)
1188262339 M * slack102 i hate how hosting providers use 512 burstabhle etc etc
1188262350 M * slack102 but oepnvz in the first place counts cache as used memory 
1188262359 M * AStorm busted! ;>
1188262387 M * AStorm but this isn't #openvz-rants
1188262799 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp59-167-75-40.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net
1188265119 J * joe ~joe@12-202-32-119.client.mchsi.com
1188265123 N * joe Guest2045
1188265127 N * Guest2045 Q_1
1188265213 M * Q_1 You folks know much about perl (and make test)? I'm running into a bunch of failures related to networking (make test is fine outside the vserver though) 
1188265281 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-82-223.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr
1188265388 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188265397 M * Q_1 http://sial.org/pbot/27136  <-- That code runs fine on the host, but not a vserver.
1188265487 M * Bertl looks like a misconfiguration on your side
1188265506 M * Bertl check what 'hostname -f' gives on host and guest
1188265512 M * Q_1 Yea, I'm sure it is. But, other things (stuff from inetd for example) can listen to ports.
1188265514 M * Bertl then check what ip that resolvs to
1188265535 M * Q_1 Oh, I did. I just put that there to make it easy for someone else to run the test on their vserver.
1188265568 M * Q_1 that and I tried localhost, the IP numbers, etc.. practically every variation I can find. (it's more or less straight out of perl's "make test" bit)
1188265581 M * Bertl so, what does 'ping `hostname -f`' give inside a guest?
1188265612 M * Q_1 192.168.1.30 - Ping works fine too.
1188265639 M * Bertl and that ip is assigned to the guest, yes?
1188265651 M * Q_1 Yes, it is.
1188265675 M * Bertl okay, and using that very same ip in the example instead of $h gives you what error?
1188265703 M * Bertl btw, udpa = .... Proto 'tcp' ?
1188265717 M * Q_1 "No such file or directory"
1188265743 M * Bertl hmm? try with strace -fF, let's see what actually happens
1188265747 M * Q_1 Yea, it was a UDP test (that fails too) but.. if I can get it to do ANYTHING I'll probably be on my way to finding the cause of the problem.
1188265800 M * Q_1 Whole lot of output.. 
1188265811 M * Bertl please upload to a pastebin
1188265951 M * Q_1 It's HUGE. I'm trying to get to the part where it actually does something. :-)
1188265979 M * Bertl well, that would be around the error :)
1188266168 M * Q_1 Eeenteresting! I should have ran 'strace' right away! :-)
1188266176 M * Bertl hehe :)
1188266214 M * Q_1 LOL! /etc/protocols ... no such file or directory.. 
1188266248 M * Q_1 After all this time! hahahahaha
1188266252 M * Q_1 Funny thing is... I actually knew about strace just hadn't occured to me to use it this time. 
1188266256 M * Q_1 Thanks!
1188266260 M * Bertl you're welcome! 
1188266584 M * slack102 Bertl: so what do you suggest ?
1188266598 M * slack102 if i offer my customers a 256 mb plan should i set that the hard limit 
1188266622 M * slack102 i mean you cant compare vserver stuff to that burstable stuff besdies vservers mem allows cache 
1188266627 M * slack102 doesnt count 
1188266714 M * Bertl I would set the soft limit at that, and have the hard limit like 64-128MB above that
1188266737 M * Bertl the difference will show up as swap, which is perfectly fine
1188266752 M * slack102 ah ok
1188266759 M * slack102 i wish i had a way to 
1188266771 M * slack102 like have it alert me if it goes over the limit 
1188266784 M * slack102 then i could let the customer know he has X days of fixing the problem 
1188266812 M * slack102 you can run a fairly high traffic site with lighttpd and mysql in 256 mb of ram 
1188266829 M * Bertl well, you can periodically (every hour or so) check the /proc data
1188266835 M * slack102 although some go crazy install cpanel apache 2 blah blah dont configure mysql and yea thats a bad story 
1188266844 M * Bertl it will show you the limits and the hard limit hits as well
1188266864 M * slack102 like the limits that have been broken ?
1188266867 M * slack102 surpassed
1188266904 M * Bertl for the hard limit, there is a counter, for the soft limits, you have to 'compare' the current value to the limit
1188266933 M * Bertl there is nothing like a grace period (yet)
1188266942 M * slack102 what is the easiest way to per say every 10 mins have it check the soft and hard limits ?
1188266952 M * slack102 a cron obviously 
1188266957 M * slack102 but hmm
1188267042 M * Q_1 Woo-hoo, 'make test' this time, ALL the perl checks passed! :-) Thanks again.
1188267082 M * Bertl excellent!
1188267208 M * slack102 you would be suprised how lighttpd and a good mysql config can make your system meory under 30 mb of ram
1188267234 M * slack102 a person who installs apache + all its modules n crap running mysql un comnfigured it would be twice that if not more 
1188267244 M * slack102 and with traffic lighttpd doesnt grow much apache goes nuts 
1188267245 M * slack102 hmmm
1188267335 M * slack102 btw Bertl last question how can i have a vserver write to iptables ? is thie a seting for that somewhere ? 
1188267344 M * slack102 its just for my vserver my use 
1188267359 M * Bertl you probably need NET_ADMIN for that
1188267369 M * Bertl but beware, it will give you full network access
1188267374 M * slack102 wht exaclty is that an option to enable in vserver ?
1188267388 M * slack102 Bertl: as i said its a vserver for me and only me 
1188267455 M * Bertl it is a bcapability, so it goes to the config file bcapabilities
1188267469 M * slack102 Bertl: and i can do it just for 1 vserver ?
1188267470 M * slack102 cool 
1188267619 M * Q_1 You a slackware user slack102 ?
1188267680 M * slack102 used ot be 
1188267687 M * slack102 why ? 
1188267780 M * Q_1 Just wondering. :-) (I'm slackware here)
1188267829 M * slack102 i used ot be 
1188267839 M * slack102 but debian is far better due to its simple architecture
1188267840 M * slack102 and 
1188267841 M * Q_1 Every now and then, I wish for another variant of slackware though, something sort of like pkgsrc, but without the silly stuff. Or, maybe, just a slackware compiled for i686 with a good build system.
1188267844 M * slack102 package management
1188267857 M * slack102 try debian
1188267859 M * Q_1 I tried debian, hated it actually.
1188267861 M * Q_1 :-)
1188267864 M * slack102 why ?
1188267887 M * Q_1 I felt it was infested with too much garbaldy-gook
1188267896 M * slack102 like what ?
1188267905 M * Q_1 (just my opinion though.. I know other people really like debian)
1188267914 M * slack102 o yea i like it alot 
1188267918 M * slack102 and i was a slackware freak
1188267926 M * slack102 if you wan a simple system like slackware
1188267933 M * Q_1 Maybe it's improved since I tried it.
1188267936 M * slack102 do a debootstrap and install ONLY what you need
1188267949 M * slack102 that will be like 250-300 mb 
1188267964 M * slack102 i like slackware but its not practical to use 
1188267964 M * Q_1 Does it still have all those wacky shell scripts and a package manager that complains about dependencies?
1188267977 M * Q_1 Yea, I hear ya on the "practical" side.
1188267977 M * slack102 i didnt use it up until this year
1188267982 M * slack102 i dont know how it was in the past 
1188268004 M * slack102 its not practical to use slackware unless its a private project etc your own distro etc
1188268012 M * slack102 fact is you need packages lol
1188268024 M * slack102 i like Gentoo as well although i dont use it 
1188268029 M * slack102 but gentoo also keeps it simple 
1188268030 M * Q_1 Yea, I like packages I just don't like being told what to do by packages.
1188268044 M * slack102 debian pretty much  keeps all the stuff it can out 
1188268052 M * slack102 2ndly you can tell it not to download a specific package 
1188268065 M * Q_1 I just want something that'll let me download a source package, compile it, then install it.. with the ability to set custom build flags.
1188268074 M * slack102 use gentoo lol
1188268082 M * slack102 it can also be light and simple 
1188268090 M * slack102 a gentoo base is like heh 150-300 mb ?
1188268102 M * slack102 i dont care about size but i hate bloat :P
1188268113 M * Q_1 I read the docs of gentoo, neat idea but.. doesn't it complain about dependencies and have a lot of build configure stuff?
1188268133 M * slack102 takes bout 2-3 hours to build a gentoo base 
1188268182 M * slack102 some people hate debain casue they hear man debian takes liek 3 days 
1188268185 M * Q_1 I thought, perhaps this time (and I'm having second thoughts about another slackware install.. but) I'm thinking about a vserver for intranet stuff and then a bunch of vservers with different apache configs.
1188268188 M * slack102 well sure if you compile kde openoffice etc
1188268204 M * slack102 i highly suggest moving from slackware
1188268211 M * slack102 i still love slackware
1188268215 M * slack102 but i just cant use it 
1188268219 M * slack102 its a great learning tool 
1188268222 M * Q_1 With the compiler installed in /opt/tools/ (so I can mount --bind it to any vserver w/out dragging it along)
1188268232 M * slack102 they pretty much make you config everything and has a nice config script system
1188268248 M * slack102 why not just put it on the vserver?
1188268252 M * slack102 but i guess you could 
1188268266 M * slack102 vservers use a real folder and th actual file system
1188268278 M * slack102 they dont put it into a virtual disk placed in a file or nothing
1188268288 M * slack102 so yes that would work 
1188268289 M * Q_1 Because (and this is niave on my part, I suppose, lots of things I can't seem to figure out) but.. I want something easy to backup. Should fit on a single DVD.
1188268307 M * slack102 i suggest debian 
1188268310 M * slack102 or gentoo
1188268396 M * Q_1 Hmm.. maybe gentoo (this after spending a week trying to trace down problems with my current vserver project..) 
1188268418 M * slack102 i can have a debian  base 200 mb ish up in 10 mins 
1188268427 M * slack102 gentoo is good if you take the time
1188268431 M * slack102 and learn the package manager
1188268513 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188268556 M * Q_1 I'll read up on gentoo some more. I like slackware.. really I do, but you are right, it is getting old compiling everything. (yet.. I DO want to compile several things)
1188268593 M * Q_1 Funny thing is, I remember a time when sysadmins would say slackware was the ONLY way to go.
1188269117 M * slack102 that was before internet connection speeds made it reliable to download new stuff Q_1
1188269126 M * slack102 yes in 95 slackware was the way to go
1188269131 M * slack102 all up until about 
1188269132 M * slack102 heh
1188269135 M * slack102 2000 ish
1188269140 M * slack102 heh maybe 2002
1188277354 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1188277359 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1188278068 Q * julius_ Remote host closed the connection
1188279866 J * sharkjaw ~gab@158.36.44.106
1188280766 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1188281451 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1188282375 Q * fb_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1188284078 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1188289014 J * pmenier ~pmenier@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr
1188289988 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1188290680 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@pppoe-5.2.110.89-adsl.spbnit.ru
1188290775 J * borgfish ~bla@141.12.66.166
1188290776 M * borgfish hello
1188290813 M * borgfish how do i define multiple ips ? can i just write one in each line in file ./interfaces/0/ip ?
1188291969 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1188293805 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-127-110-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1188297609 J * click click@ti511110a080-2899.bb.online.no
1188297952 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1188299148 M * igraltist hi
1188299160 M * igraltist when i try to start a guest i get this
1188299161 M * igraltist  vserver fileserver start
1188299161 M * igraltist stack smashed in main (value 0x00000000000kpp00)
1188300554 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is
1188301846 P * click [IRSSI]
1188301993 J * FHTech ~Miranda@62.140.244.26
1188302027 M * FHTech Hello, tell please how it is possible to make after reboot node VPS were loaded ?
1188302060 M * FHTech it is necessary to start them manually...
1188302098 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1188302499 M * AStorm borgfish: no, you create more interface subdirectories
1188302504 M * AStorm e.g. interfaces/1/
1188302505 J * click click@ti511110a080-2899.bb.online.no
1188302563 M * AStorm FHTech: if I understand your broken English correctly: just add an init script to start them
1188302656 M * AStorm igraltist: that shouldn't happen, which version of util-linux and GCC do you have?
1188302673 M * AStorm *util-vserver
1188302679 M * AStorm obviously ;p
1188302683 M * FHTech AStorm: echo "default" > /etc/vservers/vpsname/apps/init/mark ?
1188302717 M * AStorm FHTech: yes, and add the init script to some runlevel
1188302720 P * friendly12345 
1188302757 M * FHTech AStorm: Thanks
1188302788 M * AStorm you can use a different mark too, the init script is configurable
1188303010 J * grobie ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1188303138 M * grobie hi there
1188303586 Q * FHTech Quit: FHTech
1188303865 M * igraltist AStorm,  util-vserver 0.30.212-r2, gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo Hardened 3.4.6-r2 p1.5, ssp-3.4.6-1.0, pie-8.7.10)
1188303908 M * AStorm looks ok, except it's an old GCC (but the default for Hardened)
1188303920 M * AStorm I'd ask in #gentoo-hardened on freenode
1188304083 M * eyck what does espdiff do?
1188304318 M * waldi AStorm: newer gcc versions already include the shown mechanisms
1188304346 M * AStorm eyck: man espdiff
1188304354 M * AStorm waldi: I know
1188304367 M * AStorm eyck: it tries to fix patch problems
1188304437 M * AStorm of course, mostly botches it, but what do you expect from ESP ;P
1188304546 M * eyck AStorm: man doesn't tell me anything, besides that it's highly magical
1188304569 M * AStorm it's a pun on the other diffutils
1188304581 M * AStorm there's interdiff, filterdiff etc.
1188304605 M * AStorm espdiff does one of these, but in "a funny command" way
1188304687 M * AStorm try it yourself
1188304693 M * eyck hmm, but what exactly is it that it does?
1188304702 M * AStorm or read the source code
1188304708 M * igraltist hmm so no chance to get a guest running, because the stack smashing?
1188304711 M * eyck it just says: "No brainwave activity detected.  Aborting"
1188304722 M * eyck so I figured i'd better ask
1188304730 M * igraltist is there a possible to debug something
1188304747 M * eyck are my brainwaves lacking? or someone else?
1188304816 M * AStorm igraltist: ... really ask on #gentoo-hardened
1188304915 M * AStorm eyck: it's a joke, basically
1188304915 Q * Rich_Estill Read error: Connection reset by peer
1188304921 M * AStorm read the command's source ;P
1188304944 J * Rich_Estill ~restill@c-24-11-195-139.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1188304986 M * sid3windr some people have a weird sense of humour :p
1188305072 M * AStorm it's a good joke when you tell someone who can't resolve rejects (especially simple ones) to use it
1188305151 M * AStorm there is an automated reject fudging tool called wiggle though, but it usually breaks things
1188305153 M * AStorm :>
1188305220 M * eyck bah,
1188305224 M * eyck it's a bash script,
1188305228 M * eyck this sucks, 
1188305238 M * AStorm ;P
1188305242 M * eyck unfunny, 
1188305257 M * AStorm what, should be Fortran for extra fun? ;P
1188305271 M * eyck I prefer the jokes to be a little bit substantiall
1188305273 M * eyck or elaborate
1188305280 M * eyck hmm, like Parrot for example.
1188305318 M * AStorm what's so funny about Parrot VM?
1188305320 M * eyck nice joke, funny, millions of manhours went into this
1188305354 M * AStorm that's not a joke, that's a failure ;P
1188305361 M * eyck feature
1188305425 M * AStorm LLVM is alive, OTOH
1188305517 J * grobie_ ~chatzilla@site.lycos.de
1188305741 J * pusling_ pusling@88.212.70.38
1188305764 J * danman_ danman@eliza.wigner.bme.hu
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1188305786 N * grobie_ grobie
1188305847 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1188306003 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1188306003 J * independence independen@80.252.175.45
1188306003 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de
1188306003 J * Eimann eimann@chaconne.etherkiller.de
1188306003 J * svenk ~sven@213.73.89.36
1188306003 J * toom_ ~toom@coco.docisland.org
1188306003 J * tokkee tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org
1188306003 J * kaner_ kaner@strace.org
1188306003 J * C14r_ ~C14r@h58173.serverkompetenz.net
1188306003 J * Falle ~falle@diana.falle.se
1188306003 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org
1188306003 J * fosco fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1188306003 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1188306003 J * the-me Patrick@Linux-Dev.org
1188306003 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de
1188306003 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1188306003 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1188306003 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98
1188306003 J * ard ~ard@gw-cistron.kwaak.net
1188306003 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1188306003 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de
1188306003 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1188306003 J * mact ~sithkemm@i9a018.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
1188306284 N * pusling_ pusling
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1188309154 M * matti Hi esa 
1188309162 M * matti eyck I mean
1188310775 M * igraltist how do i mount a partion from lvm to a vguest?
1188311085 M * daniel_hozac same as you'd mount any other filesystem.
1188311490 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1188311494 M * Bertl morning folks!
1188311512 M * Bertl igraltist: just put it into the fstab in the guest config tree
1188311542 M * igraltist ah ok
1188311561 M * Bertl igraltist: or if you want to do it _after_ the guest was started, enter the namespace with vnamespace and mount it there
1188311584 M * igraltist one other thing i have, what must i accept when i have the util-vserver compile with --disable-dietlibc ?
1188311605 M * Bertl security issues, strange behaviour, errors
1188311639 M * Bertl the problem is that glibc is modular
1188311651 M * Bertl so you will end up loading parts of it from inside the guest
1188311697 M * igraltist hmm so i must look for other solution 
1188311713 M * daniel_hozac the solution is: don't use hardened :)
1188311726 M * igraltist haha , no
1188311729 M * Bertl dietlibc should be fine for you too
1188311740 M * daniel_hozac it's true, hardened is known to break dietlibc.
1188311761 M * igraltist so than i cannot use the vserver
1188311777 M * igraltist i do not go back from hardened
1188311785 M * Bertl why not compile the tools without hardened
1188311797 M * Bertl the result will be static linked tools anyway
1188311802 M * fb Bertl: is it possible to mount physical block device inside guest?
1188311818 M * Bertl fb: from inside or into inside the guest?
1188311834 M * fb using /etc/vserver/...fstab, i mean
1188311836 M * Bertl igraltist: you could even build them in a vserver guest :)
1188311845 M * Bertl fb: yep, should work fine
1188311853 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hard to enter a guest when the utils don't work ;)
1188311879 M * Bertl well, for this specific task, probably chroot would suffice :)
1188312128 M * fb Bertl: something like this: /dev/mapper/vg-cyrus    /var/spool/cyrus        xfs     defaults        0 2
1188312131 M * fb ?
1188312152 M * Bertl looks good
1188312176 M * fb and works fine. thanks a lot! :)
1188312196 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1188312215 J * Julius ~julius@p57B255D7.dip.t-dialin.net
1188312237 M * fb and with my /dev/problem, would it be possible to mount --bind it?
1188312257 M * Bertl /dev/problem?
1188312277 M * fb ;)
1188312294 M * fb i'd like to have access to a sound device inside one of my guest
1188312313 M * Bertl ah, as I said, best approach would IMHO be to add an udev rule
1188312326 M * fb i don't care if those devices appear on the host or not
1188312328 M * Bertl (which copies the devices when they are created, and removes them)
1188312330 M * fb yeah
1188312344 M * fb but i have no idea how to add such rules :(
1188312344 M * Bertl but you can _simply_ cp -va them from the host to the guest
1188312361 M * fb Bertl: that's what i do now
1188312363 M * Bertl just make sure that you do not copy devices you do not want inside the guest :)
1188312401 M * fb seems to be simple, /dev/snd/* seems to be sufficient :)
1188312674 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@178.67-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1188312681 M * igraltist hmm its looks that the vserver also dont like the pax
1188312724 M * igraltist now i have compiled the dietlibc with the vanilla gcc profile and the same
1188312762 M * igraltist also the util-vserver with this, does not help
1188312908 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188313083 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188313146 J * FHTech ~Miranda@62.140.244.26
1188313263 M * FHTech Hello, at attempt to start vserver, error  "An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script (/etc/init.d/rc 3) failed". How it can be corrected?
1188313280 M * daniel_hozac did you get any other messages?
1188313324 M * FHTech RTNETLINK answers: File exists
1188313324 M * FHTech vsched: non-numeric value specified for '--fill_rate'
1188313324 M * FHTech An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when
1188313324 M * FHTech there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script
1188313324 M * FHTech (/etc/init.d/rc 3) failed.
1188313346 M * daniel_hozac so, there you go.
1188313371 M * daniel_hozac you specified a non-numeric value for the fill-rate in your /etc/vservers/<guest>/schedule file.
1188313567 J * Julius ~julius@p57B255D7.dip.t-dialin.net
1188313586 M * FHTech hm. schedule: 1.6
1188313586 M * FHTech 32
1188313586 M * FHTech 500
1188313586 M * FHTech 200
1188313586 M * FHTech 1000
1188313586 M * FHTech dummy
1188313608 M * Bertl 1.6 is not numeric in daniel_hozac's book :)
1188313628 M * daniel_hozac well, it's not an integer.
1188313634 M * Bertl and dummy is definitely not numeric :)
1188313653 M * Bertl --> vsched: non-numeric value
1188313671 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188313673 Q * phreak`` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188313674 Q * bzed Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188313674 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1188313709 J * leebi ~mleeb@80.108.127.20
1188313717 M * Bertl welcome leebi!
1188313728 M * leebi hi
1188313751 P * leebi 
1188313823 M * FHTech 1.6 replaced on 16, dummy replaced on 2000. error vsysctl: open("."): Permission denied :(
1188314012 M * Bertl FHTech: what tool/kernel version is that?
1188314068 M * FHTech Bertl: Kernel: 2.6.18-4-vserver-amd64, util-vserver: 0.30.213;
1188314154 M * daniel_hozac showattr /etc/vservers/<guest>/vdir/
1188314207 M * FHTech daniel_hozac:: ----ui- /etc/vservers/<guest>/vdir
1188314215 N * ensc Guest2087
1188314226 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F9DC.dip.t-dialin.net
1188314235 M * daniel_hozac so that didn't hav ethe desired effect... try /var/lib/vservers then.
1188314332 Q * Guest2087 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188314390 M * FHTech "/var/lib/vservers" - no file, no dir
1188314439 M * daniel_hozac okay, /vservers then, whereever you have your guests.
1188314462 M * AStorm igraltist: as to hardened: just disable stack protector
1188314486 M * AStorm -fno-stack-protector in CFLAGS for util-vserver
1188314545 M * igraltist AStorm, i try it allready
1188314556 M * AStorm unless... it's PaX interfering
1188314556 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac 
1188314557 M * matti ;]
1188314564 M * AStorm then, use chpax on the executable
1188314566 M * daniel_hozac hi matti.
1188314567 M * matti Hi Bertl 
1188314568 M * matti :)
1188314578 M * daniel_hozac PaX works fine.
1188314595 A * matti seconds daniel_hozac 
1188314596 M * AStorm Should.
1188314607 M * Bertl hey matti!
1188314612 M * AStorm igraltist: or, also add -fno-pie
1188314621 M * igraltist i also try this
1188314627 M * matti Bertl: How's life?
1188314655 M * FHTech daniel_hozac: showattr /vservers ; ---BuiX /vservers ; ---buiX /vservers/guest
1188314664 M * igraltist i try also the soucre and if i --disable-dietlibc it work and then with it it break
1188314687 M * daniel_hozac FHTech: and is the xid of the guest the same as what you've specified in /etc/vservers/<guest>/context=
1188314767 M * AStorm igraltist: the funny thing is, it worked fine here on Hardened
1188314775 M * AStorm though I didn't use GCC 3,x
1188314804 M * AStorm but 4.1 (unofficial) with a modified hardened profile
1188314839 M * igraltist never exists 2 identical system 
1188314848 M * igraltist only similar
1188315190 M * Bertl matti: busy atm :)
1188315250 M * igraltist AStorm,  this i the base what i use, http://paste.debian.net/35601
1188315277 M * Bertl igraltist: well, if you such a hardened fan, maybe try to figure (and fix) why dietlibc, gcc and hardened doesn't play nicely?
1188315329 M * AStorm Bertl: and you port util-vserver to a non-sucky libc - uclibc
1188315331 M * AStorm :-)
1188315349 M * Bertl IIRC, somebody (Baby?) already compiled it with uClibc
1188315359 M * AStorm Good, igraltist, try that then
1188315387 M * Bertl but I don't know what needed to be changed, but btw, uClibc sucks almost the same as dietlibc
1188315405 M * Bertl the only difference is, that we fixed dietlibc for almost all archs by now :)
1188315498 M * AStorm hmm?
1188315511 M * AStorm Except I can actually build a system against uClibc
1188315515 M * AStorm on x86 and x86_64
1188315517 M * AStorm :>
1188315518 M * FHTech daniel_hozac: Many thanks
1188315536 M * AStorm w/o too many patches
1188315543 M * Bertl AStorm: what about ppc, sparc, mips? :)
1188315554 M * AStorm mips works
1188315562 M * AStorm others, dunno
1188315570 M * matti Bertl: I see ;-p
1188315644 M * AStorm arm works too
1188315647 M * Bertl AStorm: but personally, I'm fine with uClibc too, as long as the executables become static
1188315665 J * Hollow ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1188315689 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1188315691 M * AStorm they do by default
1188315693 Q * FHTech Quit: FHTech
1188315718 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org
1188315720 M * AStorm there is an experimental dynamic loader for x86 and x86_64, but it was broken on the second one last time I tried ;P
1188315731 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1188315743 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection
1188315790 M * AStorm ld -static and you're set
1188315889 M * Bertl well, daniel_hozac will have other requirements, like minimal changes to the code and easy alternate configuration between uClibc and dietlibc, but I guess a proper patch would have good chances to get accepted
1188315954 M * Bertl okay, I have to leave now ... will be back later this evening ...
1188315958 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1188316128 Q * Piet_ Quit: Piet_
1188317390 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1188317705 J * jmcaricand ~jm@d83-179-159-127.cust.tele2.fr
1188317793 A * matti is looking for somebody with a shell box in Bangkok.
1188317864 M * bXi why in bangkok?
1188317894 M * matti I need to reach a box in Bangkok and I cannot reach it from UK
1188317904 M * matti I need something in this country.
1188317910 M * matti Sad but true.
1188317970 M * slack102 why
1188317977 M * matti I just need a SOCKSv5 proxy through it :)
1188317978 M * slack102 matti: do they block you or something ?
1188318005 M * matti slack102: No. Connectivity Europe -> Asia is a crap?
1188318009 M * slack102 where are you now ? 
1188318014 M * matti Moon.
1188318019 M * slack102 i mean
1188318022 M * slack102 UK or asia 
1188318028 M * matti Guess.
1188318028 M * slack102 herein usa we can reach asia fine 
1188318039 M * slack102 asia ?
1188318049 M * matti Doh..
1188318051 M * matti Jesus :)
1188318067 M * matti slack102: Just go back to whatever you were doing mate.
1188318067 M * matti ;]
1188318075 M * daniel_hozac matti: :)
1188318080 A * slack102 already has 
1188318080 M * matti bXi: Do you have anything?
1188318083 M * slack102 eewedfdfsdf
1188318085 M * slack102 daniel_hozac: 
1188318089 M * slack102 there we go once again 
1188318092 M * matti daniel_hozac: Or you?
1188318111 M * daniel_hozac matti: no, all my boxes are in Sweden.
1188318128 M * slack102 matti: why not just get one in the usa they can contact thailand just fine 
1188318213 M * bXi matti: nope just wondering :P
1188318225 M * bXi matti: where are you tryng to connect
1188318229 M * bXi maybe it'll work from .nl
1188318465 M * matti ;]
1188318477 M * matti I manage to log on the box through Vienna.
1188318482 M * matti Thanks anyway.
1188318489 M * matti Level3 sucks sometimes.
1188318671 M * bXi http://apparoat.nl/firefox.jpg
1188318680 M * bXi i knew firefox had memory issues
1188318685 M * bXi but this is just a tad too much
1188318783 M * matti LOL
1188318811 M * slack102 hey whats that debian kernel thing that can install it from the kernel ?
1188318820 M * slack102 i cant remember the name of it 
1188319459 M * eyck Hi matti 
1188319550 M * eyck slack102: what what?
1188319583 M * slack102 yea ?
1188319589 M * slack102 i cant remembr the name of it 
1188319595 M * slack102 and its kinda old but still works 
1188319632 M * eyck  rephrase the question? 
1188319640 M * eyck you want to instal kernel?
1188319644 M * eyck  make-kpkg ?
1188319648 M * slack102 no no 
1188319649 M * slack102 :P
1188319653 M * slack102 let me google first
1188319775 M * slack102 eyck: ther was a kernel for debian a while back that will install a debian to the server quite easily 
1188320043 P * pmenier I am leaving
1188320071 M * eyck  'kernel for debian' ? 
1188320081 M * eyck debootstrap?
1188320102 M * eyck almost every kernel works with debian
1188320199 M * slack102 listen
1188320202 M * slack102 eyck: 
1188320207 M * slack102 its a kernel 
1188320224 M * slack102 the kernel itself install debain 
1188320235 M * slack102 do you understand now ?
1188320238 M * eyck no.
1188320252 M * eyck installer fits in initrd?
1188320295 M * slack102 yes
1188320304 M * slack102 and install debain 
1188320310 M * slack102 without ever moutning the root partition 
1188320325 M * slack102 people used ot use it all the tiem
1188320327 M * eyck nice trick, but what's the point?
1188320327 M * slack102 really cool 
1188320335 M * slack102 casue i need it :D
1188320345 M * eyck  you can make it yourself then, 
1188320352 M * eyck  just put udebootstrap in initrd
1188320382 M * eyck cdebootstrap
1188320424 M * eyck it's really small, should fit in even standard size ramdisks
1188320560 J * AstralS ~astralsto@sud.globenet.org
1188320615 M * eyck  I just don't see the point, 
1188320783 Q * AStorm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188321116 M * slack102 eyck: theres a great point casue if you have a remote server and you want to install another distro ? how would you go about it 
1188321197 M * eyck definitely not with a 'special kernel'
1188321207 M * slack102 so tell mw how ?
1188321211 M * slack102 casue there is no other way 
1188321223 M * eyck there is always more then one way to skin a cat
1188321229 M * slack102 if you let the "real" kernel mount the root partition its impossible 
1188321230 M * eyck and in this case, there are multiple :) 
1188321242 M * eyck hmm, why exactly?
1188321280 M * slack102 you cant change mounted partitions like that 
1188321280 M * slack102 if your using stuff
1188321280 M * eyck one example - you install your new distro into a swap partition, and then reboot to it, 
1188321298 M * eyck from the swap-installed system you can do anything to the old /
1188321311 M * slack102 yes that would work as well
1188321313 M * slack102 quite ghetto 
1188321320 M * eyck ghetto?
1188321324 M * slack102 but give me another way ?
1188321327 M * slack102 yes ghetto
1188321348 M * eyck  this used to be standard way of doing this (especially cross-OS, not only cross-distro)
1188321358 M * eyck  like, am I black now?
1188321370 M * slack102 what doesn color have to do with it ?
1188321392 M * eyck  dunno, ghetto here means place for racial extermination.
1188321401 M * slack102 lol?
1188321406 M * slack102 ghetto here isa bad area of town 
1188321412 M * slack102 NOTHING to do with race 
1188321434 M * eyck   warsaw ghetto - area of town, where germans puts judes before they kill them along with poles and pikes
1188321437 M * slack102 but people use the phrase thats kinda ghetto all the time 
1188321447 M * eyck  what does it mean?
1188321449 M * slack102 blacks too ?
1188321459 M * slack102 lol
1188321473 M * slack102 i livein the usa i guess its different
1188321478 M * slack102 its not racial at all 
1188321521 M * slack102 though in spain a ghetto was a place where all the black people lived and like you used it only in that way ;) 
1188321521 M * eyck  hmm
1188321535 M * eyck wikipedia seems to think it is racial.
1188321538 M * slack102 but the ghetto's here are very diverse 
1188321538 M * eyck "A ghetto is an area where people from a specific racial or ethnic background live as a group in seclusion"
1188321551 M * slack102 i dont care what wiki says ;) 
1188321560 M * slack102 Bronx is a ghetto and all people live there
1188321573 M * slack102 souht side la is a ghetto and all kinds of people live there ;) 
1188321575 M * eyck oh, yes, 
1188321596 M * slack102 it could be racial is the country is 99.8 percent white 
1188321606 M * slack102 and all the black people live in a certain part of town 
1188321647 M * slack102 then i could see it that way but its really not , its mor of a way saying like when someone has a car all messed up tied together with bungie cords << thats kinda ghetto :P
1188321660 M * eyck  "there's a new meaning for "ghetto" may describe one's frugal buying habits unlike that of the middle and upper-class"
1188321725 M * eyck  tied with bungie cords. ok get it.
1188321738 M * slack102 rich people can be gheto too ;) 
1188321744 M * slack102 its really jus a funny slang term
1188321745 M * eyck in this sense, the whole initrd thing is kind of ghetto.
1188321800 M * slack102 not really
1188321805 M * slack102 using swap is far more ghetto
1188321817 M * slack102 people use customixed kernels all the time ;) 
1188321818 M * eyck clean. elegant.
1188321824 M * eyck what's ghetto about that?
1188321851 M * slack102 about what ?
1188321854 M * slack102 using swap ?
1188321881 M * eyck yupp.
1188324314 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1188325151 Q * jmcaricand Quit: Parti
1188325708 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188325808 N * AstralS AStorm
1188327179 Q * Johnnie Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188327746 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
1188328564 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net
1188328831 P * meebey 
1188328969 J * bjorn_ bjorn@archlinux.no
1188328974 N * bjorn_ epicbjorn
1188328984 M * epicbjorn Good evening
1188329074 M * epicbjorn I have this issue starting my only vserver, that i can't seem to get resolved. the message i get is "save_ctxinfo: open("/usr/var/run/vservers/enduron"): No such file or directory". seems pretty obvious, but when i create the file it gets deleted and it still complains. any idea?
1188329203 J * lucydu69 ~tz@lal69-3-82-228-197-8.fbx.proxad.net
1188329331 M * lucydu69 hi my new blog : http://ganjahouse.antiville.fr/
1188329337 Q * lucydu69 autokilled: This host triggered network flood protection. please mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error, quoting this message. (2007-08-28 19:28:57)
1188329479 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it
1188330924 M * slack102 anyone here ever done a remote consoe over ethernet ?
1188331057 J * Alumin ~alumin@67.95.13.186
1188331123 M * Alumin is it possible to re-allocate disk space on virtual servers?  In other words, if I want one of my vservers to claim more of the host's disk space
1188331177 M * Alumin I'm guessing it'd be a two-step process...first resize the virtualized physical disk, then resize the partition?
1188331681 M * AStorm uh?
1188331693 M * AStorm What do VServers have to do with disk allocation?
1188331709 M * AStorm it's your choice if you put them on separate physical partitions or loop devices
1188331713 M * AStorm you don't have to, at all
1188331763 M * AStorm vservers have per-context quotas, much nicer
1188331872 Q * fosco Remote host closed the connection
1188332175 J * fosco fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1188332454 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1188332717 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1188333016 J * Verit ~thomas@dslb-082-083-247-171.pools.arcor-ip.net
1188333379 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188333405 M * eyck Alumin: yes. that works very well with lvm and xfs, 
1188333437 M * Verit i'm running stable+grsec, and i cannot renice a process despite grsecurity/chroot_restrict_nice being set to 0
1188333452 M * Verit this seems to be related to CAP_SYS_NICE, how can i grant that capability to a vserver?
1188333492 M * Alumin AStorm: oh.  I just inherited these servers and I'm getting my feet wet with the technology, I figured the vservers were getting virtualized disk information from their host
1188333519 M * Alumin I agree that quotas are preferable to partitioning
1188333597 M * eyck that is very debatable
1188333613 M * eyck but for toys - yes, definitely, quotas are preferable
1188333658 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1188333674 M * daniel_hozac disk limits are far easier to use than different LVs.
1188333723 M * eyck like I said, for toys - preferable.
1188333731 M * daniel_hozac more like, for production.
1188333744 M * daniel_hozac where down-time isn't acceptable.
1188333765 M * eyck yes, there we prefer lvm 
1188333769 M * eyck exactly.
1188333791 M * daniel_hozac LVM requires down-time.
1188333800 M * fb daniel_hozac: it doesn't
1188333800 M * eyck uh?
1188333805 M * eyck since when?
1188333840 A * the-dude thinks since lvm2 
1188333840 M * daniel_hozac online resizing for ext[23] isn't too stable, IIRC.
1188333853 M * the-dude daniel_hozac, its not stable?
1188333854 M * eyck yes, lvm and xfs. perfect.
1188333864 M * daniel_hozac XFS is not a supported Linux-VServer filesystem.
1188333876 M * the-dude what about reiserfs?
1188333881 M * eyck that's why people toying with ext3 have to resort to ugly hacks like quota.
1188333885 M * eyck since when?!
1188333885 M * fb daniel_hozac: otoh, xfs requires fs to be online :)
1188333903 M * daniel_hozac since 2.1, probably.
1188333907 M * fb online and mounted
1188333924 M * eyck you're trying to force me off the vserver? are you?
1188333934 M * daniel_hozac also, separate LVs means you don't get any unification.
1188333949 M * fb that's true
1188333981 M * fb daniel_hozac: what do i loose because xfs? some security?
1188333987 M * daniel_hozac COW.
1188334022 M * eyck this sucks.
1188334105 M * fb uh... this may sound silly, but what is cow?
1188334118 M * eyck copy-on-write
1188334126 M * eyck  links
1188334174 M * eyck is there any other news for me? 
1188334196 M * fb eyck: you mean gard links that let you have one base system and the other that links to this one?
1188334221 M * eyck yeah, and links that brake when you modify one of 'copies'
1188334260 M * fb i can life with this... my vservers are so different, they have barely any common base
1188334274 M * eyck oooh, 
1188334279 M * eyck same here.
1188334291 M * eyck but supposedly daniel believes noone runs like this.
1188334294 M * AStorm fb: do what you want
1188334308 M * AStorm it's less convenient and not any more secure :-)
1188334321 M * daniel_hozac eyck: i just said XFS is not fully supporte.d
1188334333 M * AStorm it is somewhat supported though, but experimental
1188334339 M * eyck experimental?
1188334352 M * AStorm I don't know if it checks VServer quotas
1188334371 M * AStorm eyck: this means: if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces
1188334378 M * AStorm though it shouldn't break
1188334393 M * daniel_hozac XFS does not support disk limits, no.
1188334399 M * AStorm hmm
1188334414 M * daniel_hozac essentially, the only Linux-VServer filesystem part that is implemented on XFS is the barrier.
1188334414 M * AStorm well, you can still do per-dir quotas with its own quota system
1188334422 Q * Julius Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1188334428 M * AStorm daniel_hozac: I've seen CoW implemented too
1188334438 M * daniel_hozac no, you haven't.
1188334470 M * daniel_hozac CoW might dead-lock, but will usually just produce files full of 0s.
1188334485 M * AStorm ah, thanks for the heads-up
1188334487 M * AStorm :-)
1188334543 M * fb AStorm: they're often different flavours of linux, so...
1188334567 M * AStorm fb: so? they break the filesystem or something?
1188334569 M * AStorm ;P
1188334579 M * AStorm why do they have to be kept on separate partitions?
1188334583 M * AStorm fragmentation?
1188334753 M * fb AStorm: just fecause i find it easier to maintain for myself, that's all :)
1188334765 M * fb AStorm: and i'm not an advocate of any method
1188334772 M * AStorm so why do you have the problem then? :p
1188334780 M * AStorm because its so "easy to maintain"? :P
1188334787 M * eyck you can snapshot and hot-backup seperately mounted filesystems..
1188334807 M * AStorm you can do that with normal fs too
1188334809 M * eyck  I wonder, how do quota people do that
1188334813 M * eyck how?
1188334817 M * AStorm though, it's not instantaneous
1188334825 M * AStorm and doesn't "block" the filesystem
1188334835 M * AStorm so, it's not exactly a snapshot, but still a copy
1188334841 M * AStorm rsync or tar or cp -a
1188334879 M * eyck uh. oh.
1188334884 M * eyck painfull.
1188334886 M * eyck slo.
1188334901 M * eyck toy.
1188334923 M * fb AStorm: i? where did i mention that? 
1188334937 M * AStorm fb: ah, not you, Alumin
1188334949 M * fb :)
1188334949 M * AStorm eyck: as if LVM snapshotting was fast ;P
1188334969 M * AStorm and don't even dare dismissing working solutions as "toy" :>
1188334976 M * AStorm many servers are backed up in this way
1188334982 M * eyck toys are working solutions.
1188334996 M * eyck usually, they don't allow selling broken toys
1188334997 M * AStorm I think LVM snapshots are much less tested
1188335007 M * eyck hehehe
1188335012 M * eyck good one.
1188335016 M * AStorm the only small problem you might have, is that someone deletes a file on the fly
1188335029 M * AStorm which is required by something which got already backed up
1188335038 M * eyck well, we've got different needs.
1188335044 M * AStorm s/deletes/deletes or moves/
1188335044 M * fb xfs_dump works pretty well
1188335052 M * AStorm fb: sure it does :-)
1188335063 M * AStorm and is _much_ more tested than LVM snapshots
1188335070 M * AStorm I guess.
1188335072 M * fb and sometimes i prefer raid 1 running in degradated mode
1188335094 M * AStorm hmm, raid 1 (esp. software, linux) has had some bugs
1188335104 M * AStorm that'd make you overwrite a working FS with a broken copy
1188335108 M * AStorm so it's not really a backup
1188335139 M * AStorm I'd use something more reliable
1188335190 M * fb never hit that wall ;)
1188335195 M * AStorm lucky
1188335203 M * AStorm it made that on broken HDDs sometimes
1188335233 M * AStorm also, restoring a "backup" made in that way means erasing the broken system
1188335233 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-255-55.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1188335257 M * AStorm which isn't sometimes a best thing to do (back it up first if you do that)
1188335279 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1188335287 M * AStorm well, that applies to all backups
1188335325 M * fb AStorm: well, one can screw any kind of backup ;)
1188335345 M * fb and in most cases, it's human factor...
1188335372 M * AStorm no no, I'm talking about the broken system
1188335379 M * AStorm to archive it before restoring a backup
1188335384 M * AStorm you should know why :>
1188335401 M * fb ah, ok
1188335635 M * Verit neither SYS_NICE nor IGNEG_NICE in ccapabilites or bcapabilites helps. nice --15 always fails in the vserv
1188335669 M * AStorm uh, why would it?
1188335681 M * AStorm check rlimits inside the context, maybe they block it
1188335949 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1188335957 M * Verit as in "ulimit -e" or "-r"? or where would i see that?
1188335992 M * Verit because -e: max nice - and -r: max rt priority are both set to zero and immutable (limit: setrlimit failed: operation not permitted)
1188336219 M * Verit strance "nice sleep" shows priority 15 in top, yet "renice 19 -pPID" shows 0: old priority 0, new priority 19
1188336229 M * Verit then top still shows the old priority
1188336337 M * Verit also, even htop as root only allows to raise the process nice value, never lower it
1188336353 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-109-39.dclient.hispeed.ch
1188336375 M * Verit some strange interaction between vserver and grsec?
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1188343631 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1188343704 M * Bertl evening folks!
1188343734 M * slack102 Bertl: good evening Bertl
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