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1186963350 M * Bertl buzztracker: please respond, otherwise you will be banned (for rejoining every hour)
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1186967590 M * cehteh prolly some bot spying us
1186967940 M * Bertl hehe, will wait till tomorrow, then ban ...
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1186968727 M * Bertl okay, off to get some food .. back later ...
1186968732 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1186968919 J * Borg- borg@aprogas.student.utwente.nl
1186969041 J * rob-84x^ rob@submarine.ath.cx
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1186982004 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1186982007 M * Bertl back now
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1186983807 N * nebuchad` nebuchadnezzar
1186984035 J * Risjh rsjds@59.93.133.20
1186984178 M * Bertl welcome Risjh!
1186984185 M * Risjh hi Bertl 
1186984370 J * Grub_ rsjds@59.93.130.37
1186984377 N * Grub_ Risjh_
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1186984504 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-255-55.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1186984522 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1186984728 M * Risjh_ how do i proceed to install FC on debian host?
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1186984946 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.103.154
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1186985038 J * bzed ~bzed@10-205-116-85.dsl.manitu.net
1186985916 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.103.154
1186985918 M * Risjh_ Bertl, around?
1186986249 M * Bertl yep
1186986287 M * Bertl you probably have a bunch of options here
1186986302 M * Bertl from a tar/template, or with rpm, or with yum
1186986392 J * Risjh ~rsjds@59.93.130.19
1186986456 M * Risjh Bertl,  how do i go about installing feodra on a debian host?
1186986483 M * Bertl 08:24 < Bertl> you probably have a bunch of options here
1186986486 M * Bertl 08:25 < Bertl> from a tar/template, or with rpm, or with yum
1186986497 M * Risjh hmmm
1186986514 M * Risjh i have yum and rpm installed on the host system
1186986520 M * Risjh but i am lost after that..
1186986527 M * Bertl well, then it is simple
1186986531 M * Risjh http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Fedora  <-- this way?
1186986539 M * Risjh the creating new vserver part..
1186986565 M * Bertl it is the same for all guest distros, just the options vary
1186986582 M * Bertl i.e. vserver <name> build -m <method> ...
1186986593 M * Risjh yep, thats what i figured, but when i tried it, it said no mount point /etc/rpm ..
1186986599 M * Risjh i did with -m yum
1186986619 M * Bertl then your rpm/yum is not properly installed (not uncommon for debian)
1186986632 M * Bertl simply create the directory and you should be fine
1186986643 M * Risjh directory?
1186986648 M * Bertl (or get a proper rpm package)
1186986657 M * Bertl /etc/rpm
1186986660 M * Risjh hmm
1186986670 M * Risjh ok, ill try with that
1186986700 M * Risjh also, say my root vserver dir is /var/lib/vservers
1186986729 M * Bertl yep?
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1186986732 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1186986757 M * Risjh and it has other vservers in it too... so i specify this only as the $ROOTDIR and $vserver  from that link i earlier?
1186986780 M * Risjh say, vserver /var/lib/vservers build -m ...
1186986794 M * Bertl that is the default for debian, other distros use /vservers and you do not need to specify the path
1186986807 M * Bertl i.e. vserver foo build -m ...
1186986811 M * Risjh ah
1186986815 M * Risjh thanks a lot
1186986816 M * Bertl will build the guest in /var/lib/vservers/foo
1186986826 M * Risjh no need to specify that rootdir as well?
1186986831 M * Risjh aah, ok i get it
1186986832 M * Risjh thanks
1186986840 M * Bertl no, but it doesn't hurt if you do
1186986866 M * Risjh what is context?
1186986879 M * Bertl a number you choose between 2 and 49151
1186986891 M * Risjh what does it do? any special function?
1186986893 M * Bertl it has to be unique for that guest
1186986905 M * Bertl it is the reference to the kernel context
1186986912 M * Risjh ah ok
1186986925 M * Bertl same number, same context :)
1186986952 M * Risjh ok, i see i can see other vservers context with verserver-stat
1186986955 M * Risjh *vserver
1186986965 M * Risjh CTX.. isn't it?
1186986986 M * Bertl yep, that is the process context
1186987003 M * Bertl there is also a network context, which usually is identical
1186987043 M * Risjh hmm
1186987107 M * Risjh what do i put for PKGBASE?
1186987114 M * Risjh $PKGBASE
1186987141 M * Risjh its PKGBASE="/vserver1/.pkg" in the script...
1186987151 M * Bertl the defaults should be fine there too
1186987151 M * Risjh so it should be /var/lib/vservers/.pkg?
1186987155 M * Risjh ah, ok
1186987167 M * Bertl i.e. only specify stuff you want to change
1186987184 M * Risjh  --interface=dummy0=eth0:10.1.1.4
1186987189 M * Risjh is the syntax correct?
1186987208 M * Bertl no, you probably want --interface eth0:10.1.1.4
1186987209 M * Risjh oops an exxtra =
1186987213 M * Risjh ok, thanks
1186987230 M * Bertl dummy0=eth0 will give you eth0:dummy0 as interface
1186987237 M * Bertl which is probably confusing :)
1186987266 M * Risjh yeah, :)
1186987346 M * Risjh also, how to delete a vserver? just rm -rf /var/lib/vserver/$vserver and remove /etc/vservers/$vserver* ?
1186987413 M * Risjh doesn't vyum show the progress of downloads?
1186987442 M * Bertl vserver name delete (or remove)
1186987464 M * Risjh ok, cool
1186987470 M * Bertl vyum will show whatever yum will show (it's just a wrapper)
1186987492 M * Risjh so i guess yum doesn't show it..
1186987671 M * Bertl maybe there is an option (like --verbose)
1186987902 M * Risjh how does it impose quota? thats in the vserver main config?
1186988019 M * Bertl you mean disk limits?
1186988075 J * dna ~dna@103-198-dsl.kielnet.net
1186988110 M * Bertl disk limits are handled by the tools now, i.e. you just have to specify the limit in the config
1186988201 M * Risjh ah
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1186988449 M * Risjh can i change my interface settings later on
1186988451 M * Risjh ?
1186988459 M * Risjh that is, after it has been created?
1186988720 M * Bertl sure
1186988728 M * Bertl just make sure that the guest is stopped
1186989001 M * Risjh cool, thanks a lot Bertl :)
1186989102 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1186990812 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1186990817 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1186990890 J * Risjh_ rsjds@59.93.135.196
1186990892 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
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1186994196 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Atlantica.Inet6.Info
1186994325 J * DavidS cool@helios.uni-ak.ac.at
1186994346 N * DavidS DavidS|Wien
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1186995970 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US
1186997342 J * FHTech ~Miranda@62.140.244.26
1186997498 M * FHTech Hello, a small question. After installation util-vserver I in /etc/init.d had two files vservers-default and vservers-legacy. Tell please, what distinctions and what needs to be started. Thanks
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1186997836 M * FaUl Bertl_zZ: around?
1186997847 M * FaUl Bertl_zZ: please highlight me if you are awake again
1186997890 M * eyck   how do you highlight someone?
1186997912 M * sid3windr by saying their nick? :P
1186997990 M * FaUl eyck: just writing the nick followed by a doubledot just like i do now
1186998011 M * sid3windr the column is rather unnecessary
1186998073 M * eyck let me try it..
1186998077 M * eyck FaUl:
1186998081 M * Risjh_ it depends on the client
1186998082 M * eyck hmm, doesn't work.
1186998091 M * Risjh_ eyck: worked?
1186998101 M * eyck how did you do it, when you did that, it highlighted fine
1186998111 M * eyck Risjh_: yours worked
1186998115 M * eyck mine didn't.
1186998115 M * Risjh_ yes, your client will highlight if someone says your name
1186998118 M * FaUl eyck: yea, that highlighted here
1186998118 M * eyck how do you do that?
1186998120 M * Risjh_ and it worked with me as well
1186998135 M * Risjh_ eyck, when someone says your nick in here, your client will highlight it
1186998144 M * eyck FaUl: it doesn't work when I try that
1186998150 M * FaUl eyck: it does
1186998152 M * eyck Risjh_: but when you do, it works.
1186998157 M * FaUl eyck: it higlightes on my client
1186998158 M * eyck no, no it doesn't.
1186998163 M * Risjh_ eyck, you cannot highlight yourself
1186998174 M * FaUl FaUl: me neither can, can i?
1186998180 M * FaUl no, i cannot highlight myself
1186998190 M * eyck oh, I broke your clients..
1186998195 M * eyck it stopped working
1186998202 M * FaUl ;-)
1186998210 M * eyck i'm sorry.
1186998341 M * FHTech To me can help ? :)
1186998435 M * Risjh_ hi, is the -d option for centos and Fedora the same? that is fc6 ?
1186998680 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US
1186998709 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-8-42.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr
1186998736 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso
1186998905 N * pmenier pmenier_off
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1186999092 J * Risjh rsjds@59.93.133.135
1186999111 M * Risjh hi, is the -d option for centos and Fedora the same? that is fc6 ?
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1186999485 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp121-44-237-56.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net
1186999984 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-203-113.pools.arcor-ip.net
1187001951 J * |pmenier| ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-8-42.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1187004346 J * thei0s ~G0D@BSN-61-2-25.dial-up.dsl.siol.net
1187004907 M * thei0s hi, I think I've found a bug in the debug printk messages. details: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/5570
1187005260 M * sid3windr haha, a bug in the debug messages. :>
1187005357 M * Borg- howdy sid3windr 
1187005396 M * sid3windr moo
1187005613 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-111-101.pools.arcor-ip.net
1187005655 M * daniel_hozac thei0s: looks like your klogd isn't able to process the messages quickly enough.
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1187007507 P * meebey 
1187007950 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com
1187008058 J * ema ~ema@fw.galliera.it
1187008940 J * FHTech ~Miranda@62.140.244.26
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1187009243 M * FHTech Hello, to me can help? On the channel openvcp are silent... Has established and has started daemon on a server, on other server has established webinterface, I add node but as did not try to add, displayed status Offline. server works, openvcpd is started. Who can knows, in what there can be a reason ?
1187009274 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1187009278 M * FHTech Version 0.2 rc2
1187009278 M * Bertl morning folks!
1187009284 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl!
1187009314 M * daniel_hozac FHTech: i don't know anything about openvcp, but IIRC there was a new release a few days ago...
1187009507 M * FHTech daniel_hozac: Thanks. I read about the new version, but it would be desirable to understand with this version
1187009678 Q * DoberMann[PullA] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1187009757 M * Bertl FHTech: the source is probably your friend then
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1187010059 P * friendly12345 
1187010330 J * DoberMann[PullA] ~james@AToulouse-156-1-67-59.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr
1187010506 M * FHTech Tell please, after installation util-vserver in /etc/init.d there were two files vservers-default and vservers-legacy. Than they differ also what it is necessary to start?
1187010635 M * daniel_hozac just two?
1187010638 M * daniel_hozac should be four...
1187010758 M * Bertl propably an older release
1187010792 M * daniel_hozac well, vprocunhide has been around for a really long time.
1187010867 M * Bertl ah right, forgot about that one ...
1187010901 M * Bertl btw, you did make an updated release yes?
1187010908 M * Bertl s/release/tar/
1187010923 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/util-vserver-0.30.214-pre2585.tar.bz2
1187010926 M * Bertl does that already use the newer interfaces?
1187010926 M * daniel_hozac latest there is.
1187010927 M * FaUl ah Bertl 
1187010931 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1187010947 M * Bertl so we can get rid of the v0 version and the v4 scheduler?
1187010957 M * daniel_hozac ctx_create_v0, yeah.
1187010965 M * FaUl Bertl: both, the ultrasparc and that sgi-mips thing are on the way to vienna, austria and will there be stored in metalab
1187010985 M * Bertl FaUl: excellent work! thanks a bunch!
1187010993 M * FaUl i tagged them by huge "property of linux-vserver project"-signs
1187011018 M * Bertl hehe, I don't think the metalab folks will snag them :)
1187011027 M * FaUl so i guess you can just go there and fetch them
1187011040 M * FaUl no, i don't think either, but maybe they just start to play around a bit
1187011055 M * FaUl and forget the main purpose of the systems 
1187011084 M * FaUl anyway - you may either go and fetch them or just take both with you - they aren't to big anyway
1187011097 M * Bertl well, if they like that hardware there, I'm fine with having remote access (saves me the power bill :)
1187011116 M * FaUl hehe
1187011135 M * Bertl but yeah, a visit there is overdue anyways .. will do so when I'm back from Boston
1187011154 M * FaUl Bertl: its perfectly ok for me anyway
1187011159 M * FaUl great ;-)
1187011160 M * Bertl and thanks again for your continuous effords!
1187011176 M * Bertl really appreciate it!
1187011215 M * FaUl it is nothing - both mashines fell into my hands for free and i'm very happy to see them make something usefull ;-)
1187011242 M * Bertl how was CCC?
1187011252 Q * FHTech Quit: FHTech
1187011398 M * FaUl amazing
1187011422 M * FaUl the whole light-thingy was just unbeleavable and the people where all very friendly
1187011494 M * Bertl did you take pictures?
1187011521 M * FaUl no, unfortunately my cam sucks but there are lot of good pictures arround
1187011543 M * FaUl http://www.ahzf.de/photographie/Zeitvertreib/3CCCamp2007/3CCCamp2007-ahzfp08.jpg
1187011554 M * FaUl thats how the whole camp looked at night
1187011578 J * Baby ~miry@195.37.62.208
1187011609 M * Bertl nice!
1187011611 M * Bertl wb Baby!
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1187012929 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com
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1187014070 M * Risjh Bertl, hi :)
1187014081 M * Bertl hey Risjh!
1187014103 M * Risjh i got the FC6 working fine, thanks :)
1187014147 M * Risjh but on the wiki, i saw that for CentOS the --dist option is still FC6, i know they are similar, but how to install CentOS?
1187014182 M * Bertl that is probably outdated info
1187014182 M * daniel_hozac -d centos4 or -d centos5
1187014198 M * Risjh oh, so centos is supported now? Coool.
1187014199 M * Bertl Risjh: please update the wiki when you succeeded
1187014205 M * Risjh Bertl, ok, sure i will :)
1187014214 M * Bertl tx!
1187014220 M * daniel_hozac CentOS has been supported for a several releases...
1187014231 M * daniel_hozac -a
1187014261 M * Bertl always a centos and a fedora there are :)
1187014291 M * Bertl supported they all will be :)
1187014316 M * Risjh hehe :)
1187014385 M * Risjh i installed the vserver fine ( fc6), now i am trying to figure out a way with apache( mod_proxy or something) so that i can start apache in the vserver, and the httpd in the main system redirects data/stuff to the appropriate internel ip..
1187014430 M * Bertl a simply http proxy will do, but of course, apache can do that too
1187014470 M * Risjh we already have apache running, another proxy would eat up some resources no? isn't it better that apache handles it?
1187014491 M * Bertl probably the easiest way is to use a different port for the guests, this way you do not have to limit the host apache
1187014494 Q * arcil Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1187014506 M * Risjh hmm
1187014513 M * Bertl Risjh: yes, if apache is already running on the host, that is fine
1187014539 M * Bertl by default, the host apache will bind to 'any' address
1187014550 M * Risjh the main system hosts websites/domains as well... I just want apache on the host to use a vservers apache for a particular domain, say , for example
1187014553 M * Bertl (this includes the guest IPs) so guests will not be able to bind
1187014567 M * Risjh and the guests are on internal network, as 10.1.1.4
1187014657 M * Risjh example, maindomain.com is the host, and i set up a vserver and start apache in it, and host vserverdomain.com .. Now i want apache on the host to relay data to vservers httpd, for vserverdomain.com, thats possible? 
1187014666 M * Bertl what does lsof -ni :http show on the host?
1187014673 J * arcil ~arcil@p5B077DB8.dip.t-dialin.net
1187014679 M * Bertl do you see *:http or <ip>:http
1187014685 M * Bertl welcome arcil!
1187014707 M * Risjh Bertl, nope, i don't see anyhting
1187014733 M * Bertl try lsof -ni :80
1187014774 M * Risjh nope, nothing.... The host system has 4-5 ips though
1187014818 M * Risjh ooh, ok it does show
1187014822 M * Risjh had to use sudo
1187014877 M * Risjh i see lots of <ip>:www
1187014990 M * Bertl check for LISTENING
1187014995 M * Bertl *LISTEN
1187015018 M * Risjh yep lots of it
1187015026 M * Bertl none with *?
1187015059 M * Risjh apache2   2447 www-data    3u  IPv4 46285655       TCP <ip>:www (LISTEN)
1187015060 M * Risjh   <-- one of the lines
1187015071 M * Risjh nope... none with *
1187015086 M * Bertl okay, so your host is already restricted, then you do not have to worry about the port, I guess
1187015135 M * Risjh so i can just start apache on the guest os?
1187015162 M * Risjh but how will the requests sent to the hosts httpd get redirected to guest's httpd?
1187015234 M * Bertl you need to configure a subrequest based on the domain name
1187015257 M * Risjh ok, on the hosts apache?
1187015272 M * Bertl of course, the guest apaches are 'just' serving on their ip
1187015377 M * Risjh ah, mod_proxy or something? just using  "VirtualHost " won't help.. i reckon
1187015487 M * Bertl well, if you put a general rewrite rule there, that should work too
1187015540 M * Risjh ah, cool, i will look into it thanks :)
1187015563 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com
1187015899 J * friendly12345 ~friendly@ppp121-44-237-56.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net
1187016376 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.107
1187016389 M * rgl hello
1187016426 M * Bertl hello rgl!
1187016465 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1187016510 M * rgl Bertl, humm, 2.6.22.2 was promoted to non-rc1? :)
1187016530 M * Bertl yep
1187016554 M * rgl you're using that one now?
1187016567 M * Bertl well, we are using 2.3.x on 2.6.22
1187016571 M * Bertl (2.6.22.2)
1187016628 Q * arcil Remote host closed the connection
1187016631 M * rgl I'm talking about production :)
1187016643 M * rgl oh wait, you're using 2.3.x on production?
1187016659 M * Bertl at some places, yes
1187016679 M * rgl interesting :)
1187016701 M * daniel_hozac that's probably not to be recommended at this point though, even if it seems fine here too :)
1187016719 M * Bertl yeah, still very experimental :)
1187016737 M * rgl you known what I miss?  some sort of "change log", like, I don't even known what is in 2.3 *G*
1187016757 M * Bertl ah, we have change logs (when somebody updates them :)
1187016771 M * rgl like, have a repository that we can use :D
1187016784 M * daniel_hozac i try to keep the stable changelogs uptadated..
1187016789 M * daniel_hozac (damn lag)
1187016817 M * Bertl rgl: go ahead, use a repository
1187016857 M * rgl daniel_hozac, indeed the 2.2.x series have a nice summary changelog.  many thx :)
1187016868 M * rgl Bertl, where is it? :D
1187016885 M * Bertl rgl: wherever you create it, no?
1187016938 M * rgl Bertl, I mean, it would be nice to have access to the development repository has changes are being made.  not when a patch is cut.
1187016977 M * Bertl well, I doubt it would give you any more info than you get by looking at the patches/deltas
1187017009 M * rgl ok I give up :)
1187017067 M * Bertl look, check out the git repository for OLPC, and tell me what was added/fixed between the last two updates
1187017078 M * Bertl (vserver branch that is)
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1187017214 M * daniel_hozac with git, the repository isn't necessarily up to date either.
1187017221 J * buzztracker ~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net
1187017278 M * rgl which one is the vserver branch at http://dev.laptop.org/git ?
1187017324 M * Bertl http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=olpc-2.6;a=shortlog;h=vserver
1187017369 M * rgl Bertl, http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=olpc-2.6;a=commitdiff;h=19a56dd89931b261944d171206e57a1cf7fd35ad  there :)
1187017425 M * Bertl well, looks similar to me like this: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-ipv6-fix03.diff
1187017443 M * Bertl (not from the change PoV though)
1187017498 M * rgl it looks, because you known where to look.
1187017521 M * daniel_hozac and everyone would automatically know where we publish our git trees? :)
1187017541 M * rgl and even then, those patches are scattered.  now in a single place of contact.
1187017556 M * daniel_hozac patches would be scattered in the case of git too.
1187017568 M * Bertl rgl: as I said, feel free to do a git repository which tracks devel
1187017569 M * daniel_hozac i wouldn't be committing things to the same tree as Bertl, i'd have my own tree.
1187017597 M * Bertl rgl: and add meaningfull descriptions too (I will gladly explain the patches to you)
1187017632 M * daniel_hozac now... i would also like to see us use a version control system.
1187017642 M * daniel_hozac just not for these reasons :)
1187017660 M * rgl daniel_hozac, sure there will.  just publish all the git (or other revision control thingy) tree in a wiki page.  after that, its straitforward to use the git (or other) tools.  but, that just my opinion.  you guys surely have other.  :D
1187017671 M * daniel_hozac (well, patches with attached explanations are one reason)
1187017715 M * daniel_hozac rgl: and why can't we just put the URLs of Bertl's experimental area, my people space, Hollow's people space, doener's people space, etc?
1187017758 M * rgl daniel_hozac, if you publish that information in a central place.  no problem for me.
1187017845 M * Bertl isn't people.linux-vserver.org a central place?
1187017865 M * Bertl somebody wanted to do a simple mirror of Experimental to this location too, IIRC
1187017880 M * Bertl (which would put all the stuff in a central place, I guess)
1187017923 M * rgl Bertl, it is.  but where are the links to the repo/patches of each of those persons?
1187017958 M * daniel_hozac http://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/people/ :)
1187018005 M * rgl you are kidding me *G*
1187018032 M * rgl wheres the roadmap?  I'm supposed to browser all of that?
1187018062 M * daniel_hozac you'd have to browse all of that even if we used git..
1187018083 M * daniel_hozac this is not a problem version control would solve.
1187018098 M * Risjh Bertl, when i did ifconfig lo up, i get access denied errors. :S
1187018101 M * rgl how so?  if I want to you your tree, I just browse to a single place, and thats it, I'm using your latest work.
1187018114 M * rgl err s,you,use,
1187018132 M * Bertl Risjh: inside a guest I hope?
1187018145 M * Risjh Bertl, yep
1187018154 M * daniel_hozac rgl: how is that different from going to http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/?
1187018161 M * Bertl Risjh: that is perfectly fine, you do not up/down interface there
1187018173 M * rgl daniel_hozac, knowing that you are working on p/k/?
1187018174 M * Risjh Bertl, oh... its not allowed?
1187018188 M * Bertl Risjh: nope, not allowed and not necessary
1187018195 M * Risjh Ah, ok :)
1187018196 M * daniel_hozac rgl: how would you know i was working on my git tree?
1187018204 M * Risjh Bertl, but i cant seem to use nmap as well... 
1187018216 M * rgl daniel_hozac, I could see the age of the last commit?
1187018217 M * Bertl Risjh: use it on the host
1187018230 M * Risjh Bertl, it cannot be used in guests?
1187018231 M * daniel_hozac rgl: you can also see the timestamps on those files...
1187018243 M * daniel_hozac rgl: same thing. this is not a problem version control solves.
1187018256 M * rgl daniel_hozac, indeed.  but, don't compare the convenience of one over the other :|
1187018262 M * Bertl Risjh: it can, but as it uses raw sockets, it's not a good idea, you don't want your guests to spoof packets from other guests, do you?
1187018294 M * Risjh ooh, nope.. I was just wondering is its restricted, because i was getting errors when i tried it :)
1187018342 M * daniel_hozac the reasons i want some version control are simple: automatic changelog and a way to see when something was changed.
1187018364 M * rgl daniel_hozac, for example, I look at this file: delta-nopage-clean01.diff                      20-Apr-2006 06:01  3.9K   which seems rather old.  is it in use now?
1187018398 M * daniel_hozac it's probably been merged into the tree.
1187018414 M * rgl daniel_hozac, indeed.  I'm not mention that, because well, that granted :)
1187018425 M * rgl so, you don't known :D
1187018443 M * rgl How I am supposed to known? :)
1187018449 M * Bertl it's quite easy to figure
1187018451 M * daniel_hozac how would version control help?
1187018462 M * Bertl just try to apply/revert it :)
1187018482 M * rgl daniel_hozac, because the patch in that file would (not) be there? 
1187018491 M * daniel_hozac what?
1187018562 M * rgl I would known that particular patch is in your tree, because I would have seen it before, so I would not even think about it.
1187018598 J * fatgoose_ ~samuel@76-10-147-136.dsl.teksavvy.com
1187018605 M * daniel_hozac you seem to be under the misconception that we all work against the same trees.
1187018621 M * Bertl rgl: maybe you should get a feeling how development here works first
1187018631 M * daniel_hozac there would be_at_least_ one tree per developer.
1187018652 M * Bertl rgl: maybe at some point, you find a way to improve and document it, and then we can talk about repositories
1187018655 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com
1187018696 M * rgl daniel_hozac, eventually, all work against the same, now?  I expect that some features are first made in a individual tree, and merged with "trunk".
1187018702 M * Bertl rgl: atm, git is a PITA for me, for several reasons, and svn/cvs/mercurial is not really up to the task
1187018703 M * rgl err s,now,no
1187018728 M * daniel_hozac rgl: exactly. but how would you tell?
1187018766 M * rgl daniel_hozac, because I could browse the repository?
1187018776 M * rgl daniel_hozac, right now, I can't tell/known.
1187018819 M * daniel_hozac so you'd go through the entire changelog of the main tree looking for that one commit?
1187018831 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure i see how that's "better"
1187018902 M * rgl why?  I don't even care about a particular patch.  I only care about "I'm I looking at the latest/current tree"
1187018922 M * daniel_hozac _that's_ what the patches are.
1187018957 M * rgl  could also use the tool to look at that particular patch too. it just a mater of quering the repo.
1187018967 M * rgl but patches do not carry history :|
1187018985 M * daniel_hozac see, _that's_ why i want version control.
1187018993 M * Bertl deltas between patches do :)
1187019016 M * daniel_hozac (by history i mean rationales, who-did-what, etc.)
1187019018 M * rgl Bertl,  comparing patches? omg.
1187019037 M * daniel_hozac that's how i write the changelogs :)
1187019046 M * rgl daniel_hozac, exactly.  all the good goodies about SCM.
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1187019780 M * nebuchadnezzar Hello
1187019786 M * daniel_hozac hi
1187019793 M * nebuchadnezzar I have a problem starting my vservers on a new machines
1187019809 M * nebuchadnezzar http://paste.linux-vserver.org/5571
1187019834 M * nebuchadnezzar I manually try vserver-info bsid CONTEXT and it gives me 42
1187019838 M * nebuchadnezzar which is ok
1187019854 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4FA2F.dip.t-dialin.net
1187019859 M * daniel_hozac that usually happens when the guest isn't starting any service, and you're using an init-less initstyle.
1187019881 M * nebuchadnezzar but 'vserver-info bsid CONTEXT false' as seen in vserver-utils doesn't work
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1187019904 M * Bertl try to enable a guest service there
1187020002 M * nebuchadnezzar sorry functions and not vservers-utils
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1187020009 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: ok
1187020266 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-147-136.dsl.teksavvy.com
1187020279 M * rgl Bertl, daniel_hozac: isn't this model http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/KernelPractice that is used by you guys to develop vserver?
1187020342 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: ok, my build was corrupted
1187020344 M * nebuchadnezzar thanks
1187020384 M * daniel_hozac rgl: looks more like vanillatome...
1187020394 M * daniel_hozac (what's up with my spacebar...)
1187020415 M * rgl what does that mean daniel_hozac ?
1187020432 J * _pmenier_ ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-1-151.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr
1187020433 M * daniel_hozac that it's the vanilla model.
1187020448 M * Bertl vanilla = mainline kernel
1187020470 M * daniel_hozac we don't have subsystem maintainers or anything like that.
1187020476 M * rgl yup.  that page is trying to explain how one could use mercurial to mount the linux kernel development style.
1187020479 M * daniel_hozac we have Bertl, and people who contribute patches to Bertl.
1187020483 M * Bertl rgl: btw, ever asked yourself why nobody uses mercurial for the kernel?
1187020535 M * rgl Bertl, yes.  and I asked other people too (maybe not the right ones), but none could explain reasonable why.
1187020574 M * Bertl well, try it for a week (tracking mainline) and you know
1187020625 M * rgl daniel_hozac, that seem to be the development model of mercurial itself.
1187020633 M * rgl Bertl, whats the problem?
1187020652 M * rgl http://www.kernel.org/hg/
1187020709 M * Bertl I said, track it, not let it be tracked :)
1187020727 M * rgl but tell me whats the problem :D
1187020744 M * Supaplex congress
1187020758 M * rgl Supaplex, sorry?
1187020778 M * Supaplex just a cheap shot at u.s. congress. :)
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1187020815 A * rgl does not follow america
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1187020858 M * Bertl rgl: mainly performance, missing hardlink feature, no cherry-picking
1187020898 M * rgl performance?  i though that was one of the things going for hg :|
1187020899 M * Bertl and no real advantage over git ...
1187020933 M * rgl well, for me, the real advantage is its being multi-platform.
1187020968 M * Bertl while git isn't?
1187020976 M * rgl try using git on windows.
1187020981 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1187021016 M * Bertl rgl: well, I read it is available there, just somewhat slower due to the missing filesystem features
1187021133 M * rgl Bertl, I think that because git is using linux specific thingies.
1187021149 M * daniel_hozac such as?
1187021151 M * rgl anyways, I though hg had hardlinks :|
1187021192 M * rgl daniel_hozac, I really don't known. what I known is, you can't get git to run on native windows.  you'll have to use one of the ports.
1187021227 M * daniel_hozac so, it's multi-platform then too, no?
1187021259 M * rgl I've read the windows support is rather weak.  maybe its improved now.
1187021320 M * Bertl well, let me ask the important question: who really cares about windows in regard to a linux kernel project?
1187021344 M * rgl no one I guess :D
1187021402 M * rgl I'm fine with using *any* (but CVS ;) SCM.
1187021423 M * Loki|muh I have to use CVS here at my university :(
1187021461 M * Risjh Bertl, for debian mod_proxy, the package is libapache2-mod-proxy-html?
1187021515 M * Supaplex apt-file can answer that.
1187021544 M * rgl Bertl, Recreate hardlinks between two mercurial repositories at Recreate hardlinks between two mercurial repositories
1187021546 M * rgl err
1187021557 M * rgl Bertl, Recreate hardlinks between two mercurial repositories at http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/TipsAndTricks#head-f6c2fdd99afc10b3af2234f63eb91dda0e01145f
1187021587 M * rgl Bertl, there it says hg uses hardlinks.  but will break them when you pull :|
1187021600 M * Risjh Supaplex, i did apt-cache search... and came up with that only, so was confirming :)
1187021611 M * daniel_hozac _if_ we were to move to a version control system, git is the only sane choice.
1187021619 M * Supaplex apt-file show pkg | less
1187021643 M * Bertl yeah, I have to agree with daniel_hozac on that
1187021662 M * rgl I'm fine with it :)
1187021690 M * Bertl okay, heading over to the office, bbl
1187021695 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1187021947 M * Guy- hi
1187021951 M * daniel_hozac hello
1187021958 M * Guy- I'd like to give one of my guests a ppp connection
1187021961 M * Guy- what's the best way to do this?
1187021967 M * Guy- the ppp IP will be dynamic
1187021983 M * Guy- do I just add the ppp0 interface to the guest, and restart it whenever the ppp IP changes?
1187021986 M * Guy- or is a restart not even necessary?
1187021989 M * daniel_hozac make a script that runs when it connects, assigning the address to the context.
1187022009 M * Guy- can that be done while the context is running?
1187022017 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1187022027 M * daniel_hozac that's the idea. you wouldn't have anything in the configuration.
1187022041 M * daniel_hozac obviously depends on your kernel/utils though.
1187022060 M * Guy- they're recent
1187022071 M * daniel_hozac naddress --nid <guest> --set --ip <IP>/<prefix> should do the trick for any 2.0+ kernel.
1187022105 M * Guy- OK, it's slightly more difficult though because the guest also has a static IP on a different interface
1187022121 M * Guy- but I guess I can just --add?
1187022128 M * Guy- and --remove the previous one...
1187022141 M * daniel_hozac --remove for a specific address requires the IPv6 patch.
1187022158 M * Guy- I didn't apply that one
1187022164 M * daniel_hozac so, you can't use that.
1187022177 M * daniel_hozac just use --set and specify both IPs.
1187022181 M * Guy- OK
1187022184 M * Guy- thanks
1187022193 M * daniel_hozac np.
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1187037404 M * Guy- is there a way to grow a jfs filesystem mounted inside a guest without restarting the guest?
1187037412 M * Guy- normally, it would be mount -o remount,resize
1187037428 M * Guy- but when I try this with vnamespace -e, it says the fs isn't already mounted
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1187043941 M * daniel_hozac Guy-: tried using secure-mount?
1187043950 M * daniel_hozac (pointing it at the right files)
1187043976 J * aj_ ~aj@e180212039.adsl.alicedsl.de
1187044043 M * Guy- yes
1187044044 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1187044062 M * daniel_hozac and?
1187044085 M * Guy- without vnamespace -e, it didn't find the mountpoint (obviously)
1187044099 M * Guy- with vnamespace it said 'you must specify the filesystem type'
1187044127 M * Guy- specifying -t jfs yielded "mount: . not mounted already, or bad option"
1187044172 M * Guy- the command I used was vnamespace -e 24 /usr/lib/util-vserver/secure-mount -t jfs -o remount,resize --chroot --fstab /etc/vservers/foo/fstab /dev/somevg/somelv var/lib/notes
1187044179 M * Guy- from the root of vserver 'foo'
1187044241 M * daniel_hozac i guess secure-mount isn't really equipped for remounts... how about just a vnamespace + chroot + mount?
1187044244 M * Guy- 'var' here is itself a mountpoint, so without vnamespace I can't see var/lib
1187044245 M * daniel_hozac insecure of course.
1187044290 M * Guy- vnamespace -e 24 chroot /vservers/foo mount /var/lib/notes -o remount,resize
1187044298 M * Guy- mount: /var/lib/notes not mounted already, or bad option
1187044335 M * daniel_hozac does your mtab in the guest have it?
1187044341 M * Guy- uh, I'm being stupid
1187044348 M * Guy- this isn't a jfs filesystem after all
1187044353 M * Guy- it's xfs :)
1187044364 M * Guy- dmesg complained about the unknown mount option...
1187044376 M * daniel_hozac ;)
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1187044398 M * Guy- of course, this is even worse, because there is no way to grow an xfs only mounted in a guest :(
1187044498 M * Guy- (other than stopping the guest, mounting the fs on the host, growing it, umounting, etc etc)
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1187045244 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: ping?
1187045251 M * daniel_hozac pong
1187045252 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1187045268 M * Bertl do we need the v0 version of  VCMD_net_create with recent tools?
1187045340 M * daniel_hozac humm. when was v1 added?
1187045417 M * Bertl hmm, must have been some time ago, I guess
1187045432 M * Bertl it adds support for specifying the flags at create time
1187045443 M * daniel_hozac yeah, sounds like a 2.1 thing.
1187045443 M * Bertl similar to the ctx_create
1187045453 M * daniel_hozac thing is, the utils seem to be using it already.
1187045456 M * daniel_hozac inadvertently.
1187045479 M * Bertl okay, that is fine, and the ctx v1 will be supported in HEAD/TRUNK yes?
1187045487 M * daniel_hozac so, this should mean they've been broken on 2.0 for a while...
1187045494 M * daniel_hozac yeah, it is.
1187045497 M * Bertl (or already is or so?)
1187045502 M * Bertl okay
1187045505 J * Linus ~linus@bl7-133-238.dsl.telepac.pt
1187045518 M * Bertl so I remove the v0 calls completely from olcp and from 2.3.x
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1187045531 M * daniel_hozac okay.
1187045581 M * Bertl the net migrate seems to be using the newer ones already for some time now too
1187045618 M * Bertl but that might explain why 2.0.x required the legacy stuff, no?
1187045623 M * daniel_hozac most likely by accident there to :)
1187045637 M * daniel_hozac hmm, which legacy stuff?
1187045645 J * Freax ~linus@bl7-133-238.dsl.telepac.pt
1187045661 M * Bertl IIRC, on 2.0 you needed to compile the old legacy stuff into the tools 
1187045671 M * Bertl (newer tools that is)
1187045681 M * daniel_hozac certainly shouldn't be needed...
1187045690 M * daniel_hozac and the VCI version should make sure it doesn't get used.
1187045728 M * Bertl okay, just verified, the net_migrate is v0 (we didn't do a v1 there)
1187045760 M * daniel_hozac okay. makes sense i guess, since we don't have any net migration flags.
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1187045905 M * daniel_hozac hmm. the create_v1's seem to have been introduced before 2.0...
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1187046391 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what about enter_space_v0 ?
1187046419 M * daniel_hozac that hasn't been used since 2.6.18.
1187046435 M * Bertl ah, excellent, so we are on v1 there already
1187046440 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
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