1186185623 M * noobasaur but you're right .. I made the same assumption - that it would be safe to reboot. It could well be the case . and something else unrelated has occured.
1186185704 M * noobasaur daniel_hozac: yes. sorry, it's late for me and I'm not thinking straight. I installed a kernel using a package manager... not by compiling from source.
1186185705 M * neuralis no, you said you assumed networking would remain stable _until_ after the reboot.
1186185708 M * neuralis that's a valid assumption.
1186185729 M * neuralis after the reboot, you really can't know; it depends entirely on the kernel you loaded.
1186185806 M * noobasaur got it. I can see I am definitely going to need remote hands for this.
1186185883 M * noobasaur so here's a question: does the installation of linux-image-vserver-686 kernel 'break' networking configuration? and I realise this may be a question better answered on #debian...
1186185927 M * daniel_hozac it just installs the kernel.
1186185936 M * neuralis if your machine was set up to configure networking correctly through the common debian mechanisms, there's no reason a kernel install would interfere with any of it.
1186186002 M * neuralis my guess is that either your interfaces file is wrong or the vserver kernel isn't booting correctly for some reason.
1186186058 M * noobasaur ok. thanks for the help - I have a much clearer idea of where to look now. I've mailed the support guys.. just a case of waiting now :-)
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1186186942 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.115.2
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1186188734 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-42-121.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1186190587 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1186193105 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1186193519 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
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1186203857 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-195-95.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
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1186206454 J * slack101 ~comp@cpe-71-72-115-74.insight.res.rr.com
1186208781 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1186211559 N * kaner_ kaner
1186212367 J * dna ~naucki@95-215-dsl.kielnet.net
1186212399 J * DavidS ~david@p57A4891B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1186214087 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving.
1186215106 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.176.21
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1186215580 M * slack101 daniel_hozac: you up ?
1186215591 M * slack101 going through logs for the last 30 mins 
1186215963 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1186215973 M * Bertl morning folks!
1186216072 M * yangvnc hi Bertl 
1186217243 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-253-062.pools.arcor-ip.net
1186217452 M * Bertl welcome ftx!
1186217477 M * ftx hi
1186218014 M * slack101 Bertl: good morning Bertl
1186218023 M * slack101 its 5 am here
1186218114 J * Piet ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1186220512 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.108.255
1186220693 M * slack101 did you mirror that virtutables script Bertl or was that daniel_hozac ? i accidently deleted my copy 
1186220704 M * Bertl again? :)
1186220713 M * slack101 yep :(
1186220728 M * Bertl sorry, I'm not mirroring it, but paul or daniel_hozac might
1186220749 M * slack101 i deleted the vserver and i had it on windows but i just installed a new fresh windows on my othr partition 
1186220772 M * slack101 i guess if i did some driver recovry tools i could get it back 
1186220855 A * slack101 goes back through the logs again 
1186220881 M * Bertl you might use google for that
1186220907 M * slack101 i dont htink its been enough time 
1186221198 M * Piet hi
1186221208 M * Piet what's the purpose of the http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/util-vserver/browser/trunk/sysv/vservers-legacy file?
1186221252 M * Piet i'm asking because i have this as a dangling symlink on a debian etch system and wonder whether this needs to be kept there
1186221292 M * Piet this is vserver 2.0.2.1
1186221295 M * Bertl IIRC, it is starting legacy guests (i.e. very old config based guests)
1186221331 M * Bertl should not be needed for new style config guests
1186221343 M * Piet how can i determine whether i have any legacy guests?
1186221366 M * Bertl if you have a single config file for the guest, it is ancient legacy
1186221405 M * Piet oh i dont have that.
1186221416 M * Piet but then, /etc/rc3.d/S90vservers-default is a dangling symlink, too
1186221455 M * Bertl that is used to start guests with a 'default' mark
1186221563 M * Piet hmm the initscript for this is missing
1186221590 M * Piet all i have is this:
1186221592 M * Piet $ ls /etc/init.d/*vserver*
1186221592 M * Piet /etc/init.d/util-vserver          /etc/init.d/vservers-nameservice
1186221592 M * Piet /etc/init.d/vservers-mailservice
1186221609 M * Bertl interesting ...
1186221625 M * Piet hehe, yes, no way you can fix this. ;)
1186221641 M * Piet but it probably shouldn't be this way, right?
1186221669 M * Bertl don't know, you have to check with debian
1186221678 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1186221680 M * Piet ok, thank you
1186222113 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1186222132 J * dna ~dna@95-215-dsl.kielnet.net
1186223456 M * Bertl Piet: np
1186223647 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1186223668 J * dna ~dna@95-215-dsl.kielnet.net
1186223882 J * Blissex2 ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1186223968 Q * Blissex Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1186224120 J * schaefer ~chatzilla@port-87-234-150-24.dynamic.qsc.de
1186224138 M * Bertl welcome schaefer!
1186224149 M * schaefer hello everybody
1186227287 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1186227951 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1186228186 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Tcldrop.Com
1186230122 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1186231966 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.107
1186231969 M * rgl hello
1186231977 M * Bertl wb rgl!
1186231988 M * rgl hi Bertl :D
1186232001 A * rgl is trying kvm with win2k *G*
1186232087 M * rgl I've just "sudo usermod -a -G kvm rgl", but for some odd reason the auxiliary group of my user was not updated.  is that normal?
1186232101 M * rgl though, the /etc/group file is updated.
1186232130 M * Bertl how is that Linux-VServer related?
1186232155 A * rgl hides
1186232346 Q * rgl Quit: Zzzzz
1186232409 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.107
1186232440 M * rgl had to restart the desktop.
1186232444 A * rgl hides
1186232458 M * Bertl and I thought you had nap attack :)
1186232594 M * rgl Bertl, have you tried kvm?
1186232618 M * Bertl I'm using it for qemu
1186233474 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1186234684 M * rgl are you also using kqemu Bertl ?
1186234692 M * Bertl yep
1186234890 Q * Baby Remote host closed the connection
1186234940 M * rgl what is the purpose of kqemu in a kvm install?  I though qemu is only needed for the qemu-img utility :|
1186234964 M * Bertl I don't think it is used for qemu-img at all :)
1186234993 M * Bertl but on non-vt capable systems, kqemu improves the performance
1186235037 Q * besonen_mobile_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1186235038 M * rgl ah. on vt systems, there is no need for kqemu?
1186235052 M * Bertl there qemu can utilize kvm
1186235186 M * rgl ok :)
1186235196 M * rgl gag... windows 2000 setup is starting *G*
1186235386 M * rgl gag.  I rebooted from with qemu, and it borked my mouse on the host *G*
1186235443 A * Bertl doesn't use the graphical mode of QEMU
1186235971 M * rgl humm how do you use it then?  you use the VNC connection?
1186235991 M * Bertl seldom, mostly serial console
1186236080 M * rgl you use for linux only?
1186236104 M * Bertl yep
1186236258 M * rgl you known if it possible to  run osx?
1186236387 M * Bertl no, but I'm sure the QEMU forum knows more ...
1186236532 M * rgl oki :)
1186236537 M * rgl gag. windows works!
1186236543 A * rgl shits pans
1186236548 M * Bertl I really doubt that :)
1186236647 M * rgl it works :P
1186236663 M * rgl now, you can argue if it works correctly or not :D
1186236672 M * rgl but works *G*
1186236685 M * Bertl that would be the first time that win* works :)
1186236731 M * Bertl if you say 'it starts' or 'it runs' or even 'it hogs my resources', then that is something I could understand :)
1186236828 M * rgl ok ok.  s,works,runs, :D
1186236873 M * rgl using kvm is so simple *G*
1186236890 M * rgl its almost as simple as running vmware workstation *G*
1186236925 M * Bertl but not as simple as running Linux-VServer! :)
1186237030 M * rgl indeed.  vserver is nicier with network settings :D
1186237059 M * rgl now, I have to learn how to use the vlan stuff in order for making windows communicate with the outside *G*
1186240091 Q * rgl Remote host closed the connection
1186240098 Q * freax Quit: Democracy is also a form of worship.  It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.
1186240390 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.107
1186241802 M * Bertl off for dinner ...
1186241807 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1186243521 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1186243526 Q * rgl Remote host closed the connection
1186243712 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4EBEA.dip.t-dialin.net
1186243863 J * Baby ~miry@195.37.62.208
1186244753 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1186245611 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Atlantica.Inet6.Info
1186245672 J * rgl ~rgl@84.90.10.107
1186245681 M * rgl slack101, ping
1186246021 M * rgl gtg...
1186246022 P * rgl Boing
1186246031 M * slack101 yea
1186246197 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1186246201 M * Bertl back now ...
1186246514 M * slack101 Bertl: what did you eat ?
1186246538 M * Bertl a delicious meal
1186246571 M * slack101 oh
1186246605 A * slack101 was jus curiosu what they eat in austria 
1186246615 M * sid3windr raw dog
1186246619 M * sid3windr (...?)
1186246622 M * slack101 is it like a german cusine ?
1186246667 M * Bertl not really
1186246804 M * slack101 interesting
1186246821 M * slack101 a tad bit different then what we eat here
1186246825 M * Bertl more like bohemian cuisine
1186246848 M * slack101 yea i looked at the wiki
1186246897 M * slack101 here theres alto of rice and black beans  
1186246916 M * Bertl sounds nice too ...
1186247179 M * slack101 Bertl: if cooked right 
1186248360 M * slack101 RSS and VM limit which one is the hard memory limit again ?
1186248390 M * Bertl they both allow hard and soft limits to be set
1186248404 M * Bertl RSS hard is a hard limit as is VM hard
1186248517 M * slack101 whats the difference ? 
1186248524 M * slack101 i mean what does RSS mean and VM mean ?
1186248536 M * slack101 sory never bothered with memory stuff but i got a user using 200 mb so i need to set a cap
1186248558 M * Bertl RSS means Resident Set Size and VM means Virtual Memory (actually better described by Address Space (AS))
1186248614 M * slack101 i mean if i want a user to have 256 mb of memory nothing more which one would b better to use ?
1186248673 M * Bertl you want to set the RSS hard and soft to 256MB then and probably the AS/VM to 1GB or so
1186248721 M * slack101 ah ok
1186248863 M * slack101 btw got that openVCP to work .........been actively developing for it also kinda cool
1186248936 M * slack101 but using their .2 version .3 they messed it all up
1186249021 M * slack101 im about to fork it and release all the new stuff i have done to it aswell but yea 
1186249207 M * slack101 btw Bertl how do you do bandwidth accounting ?
1186249253 M * slack101 some people say use iptables some say use ntop with dumping some say use ipfm 
1186250489 J * Vudu ~vudumen@perverz.hu
1186250489 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer
1186251172 M * cehteh someone goes to FrOSCon and comes through Karlsruhe?  i'm searching for someone who picks me up
1186251235 M * eyck_ what's a froscon?
1186251252 M * cehteh http://froscon.de/
1186251851 M * sid3windr cehteh: maybe you want to arrange the "getting back" too ;)
1186251886 M * cehteh there is no getting back when i cant go there
1186252299 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1186252321 M * sid3windr true
1186256684 J * Piet_ ~piet@tor.noreply.org
1186256720 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection
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1186258592 J * Supaplex supaplex@166-70-62-199.ip.xmission.com
1186258631 J * DavidS ~david@p57A4891B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1186258662 M * Supaplex when I vserver foo enter, why does hostname return the host hostname and not the guest?
1186258695 M * DavidS Supaplex: you need to modify uts/nodename if you want to virt the hostname
1186258735 M * Bertl Supaplex: well, there are a bunch of possibilites, most likely because your config states so
1186258792 M * Supaplex uts/nodename was missing :)
1186258860 M * Supaplex yay! thanks. :)
1186259066 M * DavidS there is a page on the wiki with all possible config files
1186259106 M * Supaplex humm cool.
1186259578 Q * ftx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1186259709 P * meebey 
1186260018 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1186260135 J * ftx ~ftx@dslb-084-060-198-236.pools.arcor-ip.net
1186260427 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1186260847 M * Bertl wb bonbons! ftx!
1186261491 P * Supaplex 
1186262804 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-195-95.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1186264293 J * jmp_ ~jmp@Montreal.safe.ca
1186264312 M * Bertl welcome jmp_!
1186264337 M * jmp_ I am with jack (Gelinas) right now
1186264352 M * jmp_ and we are speaking about 127.0.0.0/8
1186264352 M * Bertl great! send greetings!
1186264356 M * jmp_ done
1186264397 M * jmp_ I still think we could improve 127.0.0.0/8 handling
1186264400 M * jmp_ by saying
1186264422 M * jmp_ 1) we do not need to specify 127 IP number (beside 127.0.0.1)
1186264451 M * jmp_ 2) all Class A should "stay" within the vserver
1186264473 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1186264484 M * jmp_ MY guess (but I am not an expert) that should be easy enough to implement
1186264495 M * jmp_ what is your point on the subject?
1186264503 M * Bertl 2) is part of mainline 
1186264513 M * Bertl 1) I do not understand :)
1186264545 M * jmp_ give you jack right now
1186264556 M * jmp_ there are two issues I think
1186264564 M * jmp_ jack speaking btw
1186264589 M * jmp_ One is the private 127.0.0.1 per vserver. I have not looked at vs2.2 much. I don't know if you have addressed this.
1186264622 M * jmp_ In prior version of vserver, connection to localhost was remapped to the first IP of the vserver.
1186264647 M * jmp_ for example, a service could not tell apart connection coming from 127.0.0.1 or the first IP.
1186264658 M * jmp_ Now, jmp is talking about something else.
1186264689 M * jmp_ In linux/unix (any OS ?), the 127.0.0.0 class A is a little magic (I just learned about it).
1186264689 M * Bertl okay, we are 'noew' (as in 2.3.x) remapping 127.0.0.1 to the lback address
1186264722 M * Bertl the lback address is guest specific and 'defaults' to 127.x.y.1
1186264733 M * Bertl where x.y is the network context id
1186264753 M * jmp_ On a non vserver system, if you try telnet 127.0.0.10, it will connect to a service doing a bind any and this service will see it coming from 127.0.0.10, even if this addresse is not configured
1186264820 M * jmp_ I was thinking about implementing a private 127.0.0.1 per vserver, simply by checking the XID in the socket.
1186264869 M * jmp_ When we do the test to map an IP to a socket, we have changed the logic a bit to support bind-any pointing to many IP of the vserver (at that time, up to 16, don't know if you changed that)
1186264906 M * Bertl yes, that limit got removed in 2.3 too
1186264908 M * jmp_ This test could have been changed to take 127.0.0.1 in account and connecting packets from the same XID.  Probably very little code
1186264953 M * jmp_ By doing this, 127.0.0.0/8 would be private to a vserver without any way out
1186264962 M * Bertl little code, but the effect is not really desired
1186264973 M * jmp_ Why ?
1186264981 M * Bertl the problem is the routing cache
1186265027 M * Bertl if you want per context lo (by separating on the nid)
1186265039 M * Bertl then you have to make the routing cache nid aware
1186265059 M * jmp_ A long time ago, we have tought about having a 127.0.0.X where X was the security context (before being the XID). 
1186265088 M * Bertl that is what we do now in 2.3  (see above)
1186265106 M * jmp_ By doing so, it was possible to kind of hide multiple loopback address, one per vserver and the vserver would believe it is 127.0.0.1
1186265113 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1186265118 M * jmp_ Now jmp is arguing that the whole 127.0.0.0/8 must be private
1186265137 M * jmp_ jmp argues that this is how a host is working now
1186265174 M * jmp_ Just to clarify (I have written a lot), can you summarize  what 2.3 does ?
1186265292 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.114.129
1186265338 M * Bertl sure
1186265355 M * Bertl 2.3 allows you to have a so called 'lback' address per context
1186265388 M * Bertl this will be used to 'remap' 127.0.0.1 to a guest specific address
1186265417 M * Bertl thus the routing will automatically separate it and packets will not overlap/collide
1186265450 M * Bertl when the sockets are queried, the address is mapped back, making it look like 127.0.0.1
1186265452 M * jmp_ So you do not have any problem with the routing cache with this solution
1186265460 M * Bertl exactly
1186265670 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving.
1186266317 N * ftx gerrit
1186266441 N * gerrit BeLu
1186266536 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.109.10
1186266700 Q * BeLu Quit: Verlassend
1186267281 M * slack101 Bertl: still trying to find this virtutables hmmmm 
1186267328 M * slack101 you should have a tools section on the main site to mirror this kind of stuff ;)
1186267402 M * Bertl ftp://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/people/dhozac/t/vserver_virtuatables-0.1.tar.gz
1186267439 M * slack101 you had it the hwole time ;)
1186267459 M * Bertl no, I looked it up right now, took me about 20 seconds to find
1186267494 M * slack101 i ddint know you had a ftp with stuff mirror'd on it 
1186267501 M * slack101 but i will be sure to keep it this time :P
1186267550 A * slack101 isstill wondered why they coded that daemon in php but yea 
1186268246 J * fosco fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1186268387 M * Bertl okay, enough for me for today ... off to bed. have a good one everyone!
1186268400 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1186268836 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1186269199 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.167.74.154