1185494463 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection
1185494474 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com
1185495841 M * slack101  /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/testing01: Function not implemented
1185495846 M * slack101 whats this mean ?
1185495875 M * daniel_hozac you have really old utils.
1185495881 M * Bertl sounds like something is calling something (kernel side) which is not there :)
1185497137 J * fs eazy@213.178.77.98
1185497143 M * Bertl wb fs!
1185497437 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-67-133.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr
1185497545 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185497595 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving.
1185498845 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1185500064 M * Hollow ok, it's all installed and updated, but i somehow can't get the webapp to work
1185500078 M * Hollow will finish this tomorrow, too tired already
1185500086 M * Bertl okay, tx, have a good one!
1185500092 M * Hollow night!
1185501302 M * mattzerah hi guys :)
1185501312 M * Bertl hey mattzerah!
1185501321 M * mattzerah how are you Bertl 
1185501330 A * mattzerah has been very busy :/
1185501334 M * Bertl fine fine, and you?
1185501343 M * mattzerah yea, very good - busy but good!
1185501350 M * mattzerah busy means my job is still stable :)
1185501380 M * mattzerah i actually have a question if you can answer it
1185501398 M * mattzerah i'm looking at a distributed filesystem to have all my vservers on
1185501422 M * mattzerah but i'm also thinking about putting the configs on the distributed storage as well - so i can basically boot the system of any of the computers that have the shared storage
1185501439 Q * ord Remote host closed the connection
1185501444 M * Bertl like lycos is doing with NFS?
1185501460 M * mattzerah but i dont want to have two instances running at the same time - do you know if there is a lockfile or something with util-vserver to stop me from starting up the same server twice ?
1185501467 M * mattzerah i'm not sure what lycos is doing :O
1185501491 M * mattzerah but i would assume so
1185501500 M * Bertl if you share the run directory too, it might suffice (double check with daniel_hozac)
1185501518 M * Bertl otherwise a simple 'locked file' should do the trick
1185501534 M * Bertl (you could test that in one of the startup scripts)
1185501542 M * mattzerah i think i will do that :)
1185501546 M * mattzerah if its not already there of course
1185501548 M * mattzerah hehe
1185501570 M * mattzerah i'm getting close to my vision, but i havn't got the hardware to test it out just yet
1185501623 M * mattzerah it would be nice to simply shut down a vserver, start it on the other hardware (even using heartbeat in case of failure) without having to spend the time rsyncing
1185501642 M * mattzerah i'm looking at glusterfs as the filesystem, its due for a stable release VERY soon
1185501648 M * Bertl yep, works fine, via NFS or drbd
1185501659 M * mattzerah awsome
1185501662 M * mattzerah :)
1185501666 M * Bertl in theory, even via gfs2, but we got no reports from that
1185501687 A * mattzerah needs to get back into learning vserver 
1185501694 M * mattzerah i know enough to get myself into trouble :)
1185501703 M * Bertl iSCSI and ATAOE are options for gfs2 and ocfs2
1185501728 M * mattzerah i've been reading about iSCSI too, it looks pretty cool, but not quite what i'm looking for
1185501736 M * mattzerah i shall let you know how it goes with glusterfs :)
1185501745 M * Bertl excellent!
1185501753 M * mattzerah i know ktwilight_ is running glusterfs clients and servers from vserver
1185501765 M * mattzerah but i'm not sure if he has run vservers off a glusterfs brick
1185501796 M * mattzerah thats going to be my next challenge i believe :)
1185501839 M * mattzerah anyway, thanx for the chat - i'll let you know my success or otherwise - 12 midday here, so i'm off for lunch 
1185501888 M * Bertl cya!
1185501967 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1185502339 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1185504725 J * scoundrel ~scoundrel@CPE0016b61a1533-CM0016923fe1fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1185504733 M * Bertl welcome scoundrel!
1185504737 M * scoundrel hi
1185504752 M * scoundrel I've a question about vserver internals (afaiu)
1185504764 M * Bertl go ahead ...
1185504774 M * scoundrel I need to get rid of this dumb limit of 16 IPs per vserver ;-)
1185504796 M * Bertl ah :) well, first, it's not dumb, it's kind of legacy :)
1185504824 M * scoundrel ok. it is not dumb ;-)
1185504853 M * Bertl second, it is going away as we speak .. but that won't help you right now, I guess :)
1185504879 M * scoundrel I have debian etch on my server now and in their patched kernel this limit is active. So I decided to take a look at sources and maybe find out how to make this limit larger
1185504901 M * Bertl and finally, there are patches out there to raise this limit :)
1185504960 M * scoundrel ah. I'd reeeally appreciate if you'd point me to these patches ;-)
1185504998 M * Bertl let me see if I can find them ...
1185505012 M * scoundrel great thanks.
1185505030 M * Bertl may I ask (in the meanwhile) what you need so many IPs per guest?
1185505035 M * Bertl +for
1185505088 M * scoundrel I've a strange google datamining script here and it uses large pools of IPs to make requests to google servers and not be banned ;-)
1185505122 M * scoundrel and I want to run it in separate vserver
1185505270 M * daniel_hozac the patches only raise NB_IPV4ROOT in include/linux/vserver/network.h, see e.g. http://linux-vserver.derjohn.de/dpatch/dpatch-directory-2.6.20.12-vs2.2.0/14-256IP-in-a-guest-ipv4-and-ipv6.dpatch
1185505279 Q * xinming Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185505297 M * Bertl ah, excellent! tx daniel_hozac!
1185505361 M * scoundrel ah! really great thanks!
1185505403 M * scoundrel I'm wondering, could it hurt performance or stability of the server some way?
1185505411 M * Bertl yes
1185505414 M * daniel_hozac it'll obviously hurt performance.
1185505421 M * daniel_hozac IP lookups are O(n)
1185505470 M * scoundrel O(IPs number on the system) or O(NB_IPV4ROOT)?
1185505484 M * Bertl O(IPs on the guest)
1185505507 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: speaking of 2.3, have you decided on how to release it? i.e. patch to 2.2, or just vanilla?
1185505593 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: not yet
1185505600 M * scoundrel ah, so I have 16 ips there now and wat to add 16 more so it would not be so weird.. anyways, really great guys! This IRC channel is the best one on OSS community channels I visited ;-)
1185505615 M * scoundrel of* OSS
1185505633 Q * scoundrel Quit: Leaving
1185505666 M * Bertl wll, tx for the flowers (left too quickly :)
1185505702 M * daniel_hozac hehe
1185508927 J * postfail ~postfail@cpe-74-79-199-67.twcny.res.rr.com
1185508939 P * postfail 
1185509929 Q * quasisane Read error: Connection reset by peer
1185510492 J * quasisane ~user@c-75-67-252-184.hsd1.nh.comcast.net
1185511701 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1185512123 J * hallyn_ ~xa@adsl-75-0-152-82.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
1185512399 Q * hallyn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185512435 M * Bertl okay, off to bed ... have a good one everyone!
1185512440 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1185512535 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US.TO
1185513775 J * micah_ ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1185513786 J * dilinger_ ~dilinger@mail.queued.net
1185513825 J * Supaplex_ supaplex@166-70-62-199.ip.xmission.com
1185513829 Q * bored2sleep synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * mugwump synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * coderanger synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * dragonheart synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * hardwire synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * neuralis synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * micah synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * Supaplex synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513829 Q * dilinger synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1185513849 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-7046.palmer.mtaonline.net
1185514105 J * coderanger ~coderange@c-65-96-210-168.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
1185514277 J * neuralis ~krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu
1185514319 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1185514528 J * bored2sleep ~bored2sle@66.111.53.150
1185514579 J * dragonheart ~dragonhea@ppp59-167-41-164.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net
1185514895 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1185515020 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185516001 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection
1185516012 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com
1185517590 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1185518208 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1185518550 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1185518761 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@125.161.242.3
1185518765 M * FEN_HIN Hello
1185519118 N * Supaplex_ Supaplex
1185520243 M * ktwilight_ mattzerah, yup, i ran glusterfs (client and server) on top of different vserver guests.
1185520310 M * ktwilight_ mattzerah, so what i have is one guest running no server, and another guest on client, both can be no the same machine, not a problem at all.
1185520330 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185520340 M * Borg- moin
1185520375 M * ktwilight_ hi :)
1185520376 M * Borg- okey.. once again.. does problem w/ loopback (127.0.0.1) + UDP & ICMP on guest is known?
1185520392 M * Borg- TCP 127.0.0.1 works..
1185520403 M * Borg- UDP 127.0.0.1 is unreliable
1185520412 M * Borg- ICMP 127.0.0.1 doesnt work at all
1185520435 M * Borg- 2.6.17.13 + 2.0.2.1
1185521611 M * matti Morning.
1185523512 M * slack101 was there anything wrong with the  2.6.19.7 vserver patch ? 
1185523518 M * slack101 or that version in general ?
1185523657 M * sid3windr oh my god you didn't boot it did you!
1185523662 M * sid3windr if you reboot now your disks will be empty!
1185523666 M * sid3windr :>
1185523888 M * danman lol
1185523917 M * Borg- sid3windr: howdy.. hows your smokeping? ;)
1185523982 M * sid3windr heh
1185523990 M * sid3windr still didn't have time for it :/
1185524015 Q * slack101 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185525206 J * slack101 ~comp@cpe-71-72-115-74.insight.res.rr.com
1185525355 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-205-95.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1185525390 Q * danman Quit: leaving
1185525474 J * danman danman@eliza.wigner.bme.hu
1185526104 Q * gresco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185526241 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1185526870 Q * balbir Read error: Operation timed out
1185526924 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1185527679 Q * FEN_HIN Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185528298 J * gresco ~gresco@4-154-114-200.fibertel.com.ar
1185528392 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@125.161.242.3
1185528666 J * FEN_HIN` ~JFOC@125.161.242.3
1185529059 Q * FEN_HIN Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1185530285 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@195.254.225.136
1185530758 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1185534213 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.116.66
1185534366 J * cedric ~cedric@rny93-2-82-66-66-30.fbx.proxad.net
1185534538 J * Mourad ~mourad@41.251.66.252
1185537628 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1185538045 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185538265 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185538320 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185538627 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net
1185538774 Q * cedric Quit: cedric
1185539236 Q * Mourad Excess Flood
1185539453 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185540153 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1185540583 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185540731 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1185540792 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185540865 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185540905 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185540966 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185541209 J * FBW fbw@fbw.cc
1185541220 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185541336 M * FBW Could whomever runs peoplelinux-vserver.org take a peek at Hollow's stage download page? The entire page appears to give HTTP 500 errors.
1185541366 M * Hollow ohoh
1185541386 M * daniel_hozac interesting.
1185541424 M * Hollow FBW: works again
1185541442 M * Hollow hm, icons still broken
1185541444 M * daniel_hozac heh.
1185541467 M * FBW Icons have nothing to do with the downloads, so thanks ;)
1185541473 M * Hollow yw!
1185541481 M * daniel_hozac that's new...
1185541496 M * daniel_hozac oh, must be from the mailing list setup.
1185541515 M * Hollow yeah, i updated apache while i was at it..
1185541534 M * Hollow and the new config did not allow Options in .htaccess in user's public_html
1185541679 M * Hollow FBW: sorry
1185541684 M * Hollow for killing your download :)
1185541757 M * FBW Ah, wasn't downloading yet... no links on this server and I was trying to type over the url into a wget from a computer that isn't mine, and has a font that apparently does not display '.' very clearly
1185541793 M * Hollow ok, then i killed another download :P
1185541806 M * FBW By the way, no disadvantage in having stages from march? :>
1185541833 M * Hollow well, except that you need to update a bit more packages in the beginning...
1185541837 M * Hollow but there will be new ones soon
1185542229 J * DavidS ~david@p548111D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1185542288 M * danman hi guys! after building a new vserver with Hollow's latest amd64 stage3 image, I chroot in it, and can't emerge anything, because "--- 'profiles/arch.list' is empty or not available. Empty portage tree?". Any idea?
1185542293 N * micah_ micah
1185542297 M * danman I am following the howtos, wikis...
1185542320 M * Hollow danman: gentoo host?
1185542324 M * danman yes
1185542338 M * danman Hollow: and greets to you, nice thing that you maintain these stuff!!!
1185542342 M * danman :-)
1185542351 M * Hollow and you create the vserver with vserver ... build ... -- -d gentoo?
1185542383 M * danman vserver myguest build --context 42 --hostname myguest --interface eth0:192.168.4.2/24 --initstyle gentoo -m template -- -d gentoo -t /backup/stage3-amd64-20070322.tar.bz2
1185542390 M * danman to be exact :-)
1185542397 M * danman like the wiki sais
1185542426 M * danman then chroot /home/vservers/myguest /bin/bash
1185542430 N * DavidS DavidS|Vechta
1185542463 M * danman env-update cries also of course ;-) with the same thing "--- 'profiles/arch.list' is empty or not available. Empty portage tree?"
1185542465 M * Hollow what does "portageq portdir" say? (on the host)
1185542488 M * danman /usr/portage
1185542504 M * danman everything is default on my system
1185542507 M * danman nothing specific
1185542509 M * Hollow ok.. then check /etc/vservers/myguest/fstab.. the vserver-build should have created an entry for /usr/portage in there
1185542516 M * danman hmm
1185542535 M * danman /usr/portage /usr/portage           none bind,ro 0 0
1185542540 M * danman it's there
1185542558 M * harry odd entry...
1185542564 M * Hollow then check inside the guest with "cat /proc/mounts"
1185542569 M * Hollow harry: no
1185542571 M * Hollow :)
1185542573 M * harry mkay
1185542573 M * danman after chroot
1185542576 M * harry my bad ;)
1185542584 M * harry still... looks weird :)
1185542584 M * daniel_hozac danman: you should start the guest.
1185542586 M * danman because I can't enter of course until I emerge something
1185542589 M * Hollow oh.
1185542593 M * danman daniel_hozac: I can't start it
1185542600 M * daniel_hozac why not?
1185542602 M * danman but this must be normal, cause the build script writes it...
1185542604 M * danman w8
1185542607 M * Hollow stage3 do not contain any daemon
1185542611 M * daniel_hozac right.
1185542612 M * danman !!! You have to install a service (e.g. syslog/cron) and add it to the
1185542612 M * danman !!! default runlevel before you start the guest the first time!
1185542612 M * danman !!! Otherwise the guest will die as soon as it has finished booting.
1185542615 M * Hollow that's why i made the stage4
1185542621 M * danman hmm
1185542626 M * danman now that's interesting ;-)
1185542631 M * danman stage4 = stage3 + daemons? :-)
1185542640 M * Hollow stage3+ syslog-ng
1185542643 M * danman wow
1185542644 M * danman ok
1185542648 M * daniel_hozac you could just make the context persistent.
1185542652 M * Hollow so that at least one daemon gets started to keep the guest alive..
1185542653 M * danman then I'll get that right away
1185542656 M * Hollow yeah
1185542682 M * Hollow echo persistant >> /etc/vservers/myguest/flags
1185542699 M * Hollow this will keep the guest alive even if no process is running inside
1185542699 M * danman hmm
1185542718 M * Hollow but use with care :)
1185542731 M * daniel_hozac persist_e_nt ;)
1185542738 M * Hollow right
1185542744 M * Hollow i misspell it every time
1185542748 M * danman lol
1185542749 M * danman ;-)
1185542781 M * danman ok, works now ;-)
1185542794 M * danman you guys are greate, thx very much!
1185542828 M * Hollow you're welcome
1185542935 M * danman is stopping the vserver problemistic always? I never had a clean stop...
1185542942 M * danman /usr/lib64/util-vserver/vserver.stop: line 83:  4931 Killed 
1185542945 M * danman and things like this
1185542955 M * danman if this is normal, I will ignore :-)
1185542968 M * daniel_hozac works fine here :)
1185542971 M * danman hmm
1185542973 M * danman ;-)
1185542982 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: is it supposed to work with persistent?
1185542989 M * danman might aswell get stage4 and see what it does default
1185542990 M * daniel_hozac yes, and it does.
1185542996 M * danman without any change
1185542997 M * daniel_hozac it removes the flags.
1185543001 M * Hollow ok, good
1185543023 M * daniel_hozac only thing it doesn't work for currently are guests without VXF_STATE_ADMIN.
1185543050 M * danman (what's that?) :-)
1185543079 M * daniel_hozac it's the flag that says "this guest can be administered from the host".
1185543096 M * danman ok, I understand
1185543280 M * danman http://pastebin.com/d613da622
1185543282 M * danman same thing
1185543290 M * danman I do it as root
1185543294 M * danman this is a fresh stage4
1185543299 M * danman did nothing with it
1185543306 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1185543308 M * Hollow there is something from with your fstab inside
1185543318 M * Hollow s/from/wrong/
1185543324 M * danman hmm
1185543336 M * Hollow it should only contain a dummy entry looking like this:
1185543343 M * Hollow /dev/hdv1 / ufs defaults 0 0
1185543349 M * danman that's it
1185543360 M * danman same thing
1185543373 M * danman it's your stage4, didn't touch it ;-)
1185543380 M * Hollow hm
1185543385 M * Hollow which util-vserver version?
1185543386 M * danman (amd64)
1185543400 M * danman 0.30.213
1185543408 M * Hollow strange
1185543415 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1185543424 M * Bertl morning folks!
1185543426 M * danman of course I guess this is not that big of a problem :-)
1185543435 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl
1185543439 M * danman but it's strange
1185543441 M * Hollow well, it's more a cosmetic bug..
1185543442 M * danman Hi Bertl !
1185543446 M * danman Hollow: yeah
1185543466 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185543480 M * danman ah well ;-)
1185543490 M * danman thx anyway!
1185543520 M * Hollow danman: ah, wait
1185543525 M * Hollow i guess you have old stages
1185543533 M * Hollow which baselayout version inside?
1185543566 M * FBW See Hollow, that's what you get for having your page malfunction ;)
1185543570 M * danman hmm
1185543623 M * danman Hollow: sys-apps/baselayout-1.13.0_alpha12
1185543625 M * Hollow FBW: well, that's what you get when suddenly none of your uploads get synced to the mirrors and you have to put it elsewhere because you don't have the time to care about misconfigured mirrors...
1185543628 M * danman 20070322
1185543636 M * FBW hah
1185543637 M * danman from your homepage :-)
1185543637 M * matti I forgot...
1185543639 M * matti Happy sys-admin day!
1185543640 M * matti ;D
1185543646 M * Hollow thanks matti :)
1185543646 M * danman oh yeah :-) cheers :-)
1185543647 M * FBW It's sys-admin day?
1185543650 M * matti :]
1185543656 M * FBW Darn... and I picked today to have a day off
1185543668 M * danman Hollow: do you have newer ones?
1185543669 M * danman ;-)
1185543686 M * Hollow no, these are the newset...
1185543692 M * danman :-(
1185543695 M * Hollow hm.. i thought i built some with baselayout-2
1185543711 M * Hollow anyway, if you upgrade to baselayout-2 inside you should be fine
1185543727 M * Hollow and please do NOT overwrite reboot.sh and shutdown.sh :)
1185543732 M * Hollow (during etc-update)
1185543735 M * danman hmm :-)))
1185543753 M * danman I will try that!
1185543766 M * Hollow i'm really looking forward to baselayout-2 stabilization.. all this chaos will be gone then
1185543775 M * Hollow and i don't have to produce stages anymore.. yay!
1185543780 M * danman lol :-)
1185543787 M * Hollow stage building sucks.
1185543805 M * danman but you are famous for gentooers who want to use vserver c:-)
1185543817 M * Hollow the system dependencies are so horribly broken that sometimes i wonder it even works at all
1185543824 M * danman lol
1185543864 M * Hollow well, i guess 2007.1 stages will have baselayout-2, so we don't have to wait that long
1185543872 M * danman :-)
1185543886 M * danman any date for that? :-)
1185543923 M * Hollow at least until 31.12.2007
1185543925 M * Hollow ;)
1185543935 M * danman ok :-)
1185543950 M * Hollow honestly, no idea.. it's up to releng..
1185543958 M * Hollow and the 2007.0 was already much much too late
1185543972 M * danman i c
1185544018 M * Hollow i will upload some baselayout-2 stages soon, probably the last ones then
1185544032 M * danman hmm
1185544043 M * danman thx in advance! :-)
1185544068 M * Hollow you're welcome!
1185544113 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: WTH!
1185544119 M * Hollow you mass comitter :)
1185544126 M * Hollow flooding my feed reader
1185544160 M * daniel_hozac what?
1185544165 M * FBW Hmmm, for some reason the vserver attempts to unmount /tmp on a vserver stop. Is this wrong, or have I set up permissions incorrectly resulting in 'must be superuser to umount' errors?
1185544173 M * daniel_hozac i haven't done anything.
1185544175 M * Hollow sorry, was just overwhelmed with the util-vserver timeline
1185544178 M * Hollow oh
1185544185 M * Hollow well, the feed doesn't list the author..
1185544203 M * daniel_hozac timeline doesn't show anything since the 22nd.
1185544219 M * danman FBW: same thing here :-) also gentoo?
1185544221 M * Hollow odd...
1185544227 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back a little later ...
1185544231 M * danman FBW: emerge baselayout-2 :-)
1185544234 M * Hollow my feed reader got the last 20 changes or so right now
1185544236 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1185544268 M * daniel_hozac FBW: cosmetical problem.
1185544268 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: heh, okay.
1185544280 M * FBW baselayout-2? Isn't the 1.13 one specifically required for vserver?
1185544299 M * Hollow well, baselayout-1.13 is baselayout-2
1185544305 M * Hollow (but written in C)
1185544306 M * danman oh really?
1185544316 M * FBW Then why would it solve the errors? :P
1185544331 M * danman Hollow: please choose one for use: 1.11.15-r3 1.12.9-r2 ~1.12.10-r3 ~1.12.10-r4 {M}(~)1.13.0_alpha12 [M]~2.0.0_alpha1 [M]~2.0.0_alpha2 [M]~2.0.0_alpha2-r1 [M]~2.0.0_alpha3 [M]~2.0.0_alpha3-r1 [M]~2.0.0_alpha4
1185544335 M * danman ;-)
1185544343 M * danman lol
1185544344 M * Hollow 2.0.0alpha4
1185544347 M * danman ok
1185544350 M * danman will do
1185544415 M * danman FBW: if you don't want to try, I'll reflect to this upgrade soon :-)
1185544569 M * danman Hollow: do you agree that if I have a second public IP, and I easily just write that in the build command, then it should see the net after start?
1185544585 M * danman without any other changes...?
1185544627 M * danman I mean eth0:secondpublicip/24
1185544638 M * Hollow yep, you can use --interface multiple times
1185544651 M * danman ok
1185544689 M * danman I guess during etc-update everything else can be overwritten, except the 2 you wrote
1185544695 M * Hollow yes
1185544707 M * danman ok
1185544723 M * danman also halt.sh? :-)
1185544747 M * danman sorry for asking again ;-(
1185544754 M * Hollow no, not halt.sh :)
1185544760 M * danman ok :-)
1185544769 M * danman thought so
1185544800 M * Hollow well, you can overwrite reboot.sh/shutdown.sh but you will get cosmetic bugs again :)
1185544826 M * danman it didn't want to do anything with them
1185544828 M * danman ;-)
1185544830 M * danman just halt.sh
1185544833 M * danman here I go
1185544841 M * Hollow halt.sh can be overwritten
1185544847 M * danman ok
1185544850 M * Hollow in fact, it should be
1185544862 M * Hollow and you're right... reboot.sh/shutdown.sh is from sysvinit, not baselayout
1185544867 M * danman yeah I see by now ;-)
1185544867 M * Hollow so no changes there
1185545031 M * danman FBW: stopped ok! Hollow rulz! :-)
1185545035 M * FBW By the way, I suppose you can't run multiple vservers with one IP address?
1185545037 M * danman yay for Hollow! :-)
1185545043 M * daniel_hozac FBW: sure you can.
1185545084 M * danman FBW: you can make an internal net etc.
1185545093 M * danman nice stuff
1185545094 M * danman ;-)
1185545097 M * FBW internal?
1185545108 M * danman 192.168....
1185545108 M * daniel_hozac host-local.
1185545136 M * danman and is it normal that the ports reserved on the host cannot be used on the guest? :-)
1185545155 M * danman (guest has another IP)
1185545165 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1185545169 M * danman of course the same interface
1185545169 M * danman ok
1185545170 M * daniel_hozac the host sees all.
1185545180 M * danman ok
1185545198 M * FBW In other words you need to make the vservers with non public addresses and then use firewall forwarding to configure what gets what?
1185545301 M * daniel_hozac that's one way to do it.
1185545324 M * danman daniel_hozac: if I have a second public IP and I would want to run apache on that IP on port 80, is it possible? because as what I've seen it doesn't let me run apache on port 80 ;-( do I have to create an alias interface (eth0:1) or what?
1185545329 M * danman ;-)
1185545345 M * FBW What would be the recommended way if I wanted to seperate services (dns, apache, mail) but still have one public IP for them, on a machine that has multiple, but limited public ip adresses?
1185545357 M * daniel_hozac do you have an apache running on the host?
1185545369 M * daniel_hozac FBW: that works as well.
1185545376 M * danman daniel_hozac: yes
1185545377 M * danman on port 80
1185545378 M * danman ;-)
1185545381 M * Bertl_oO danman: most likely, your host is running apache on all IPs
1185545386 M * daniel_hozac FBW: just be aware that guests are able to interfere with eachother.
1185545389 M * danman Bertl_oO: hmmmmmmmmmmm
1185545393 M * danman didn't think of that
1185545413 M * danman you must be right
1185545413 M * Bertl_oO FBW: in this case, you usually want to have private ips for the services, and NAT them to your public IP (can be != host public ip)
1185545414 M * FBW Well they would probably only interfere if you tried to run two services on the same ports from different vservers, I assume
1185545423 M * daniel_hozac FBW: (i.e. your DNS guest can bind to TCP 25)
1185545435 M * Bertl_oO FBW: this way, the services _cannot_ interfere with eachother
1185545470 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com
1185545530 M * tam Has anyone ever run into stale 'login' processes from a disconnected session when entering a guest from 'vserver zyx enter'?
1185545541 M * tam Mine are hogging the cpu of the system
1185545567 M * Bertl_oO tam: older tools?
1185545589 M * tam              util-vserver: 0.30.212; May  2 2007, 16:20:39
1185545596 M * Bertl_oO tam: update to 0.30.213
1185545623 M * tam Sure will
1185545624 M * tam thanks!
1185545630 M * Bertl_oO np
1185545828 M * FBW Bertl_oO: If I wanted to set up NAT in such a manner (locally) are there any terms I should google on? I've set up NAT only in router situations
1185545869 M * danman /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.4.2/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
1185545905 M * Bertl_oO iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s/d <guest/public-ip> .... -i/o ethX -j S/DNAT --to ...
1185545938 M * Bertl_oO (you want to use DNAT for inbound services)
1185545943 M * daniel_hozac FBW: potato potatoe.
1185545943 M * daniel_hozac FBW: just note that MASQUERADE might not work depending on your kernel configuration.
1185545954 M * FBW It's in there, I did the kernel manually
1185545967 M * danman oh yeah: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
1185545968 M * danman :-)
1185545973 M * daniel_hozac that's not needed.
1185545977 M * danman no?
1185545978 M * daniel_hozac you're not forwarding anything.
1185545981 M * danman ok ;-)
1185546034 M * daniel_hozac FBW: what i meant was, there is (used to be?) an option whether MASQUERADE applies to local packets as well.
1185546067 M * FBW Well I think I left no netfilter/iptables option unchecked, but we'll see.
1185546439 M * ex where was CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_LOCAL option
1185546459 M * ex but i cannot find it in newer kernels
1185546541 M * ex you can try use DNAT on OUTPUT chain
1185546683 M * FBW Mmm
1185546690 M * FBW Or I could just add a few ip addresses to the server
1185546741 M * FBW Anyway, getting 'invalid argument' on iptables
1185546910 M * danman FBW: what's the exact command?
1185547015 M * FBW iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -d 192.168.66.71 -p 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.100.1
1185547071 M * FBW 66.* being a local real test network, 100.1 being the vserver ip address that's bound to the loopback interface
1185547086 M * danman -A POSTROUTING ?
1185547091 M * FBW sec
1185547108 M * FBW Same
1185547111 M * daniel_hozac are you really using XNS-IDP? :)
1185547118 M * danman then kernel problem...
1185547123 M * FBW XNS-IDP?
1185547127 M * daniel_hozac -p 22
1185547128 M * danman what's that? :-)
1185547143 M * danman oh
1185547143 M * danman hehe
1185547167 M * daniel_hozac i think you want -p tcp --dport 22 or similar.
1185547183 M * FBW That
1185547196 M * FBW That's what I get for trying without re-reading the manpage after not doing this for years
1185547217 M * FBW Still the same error though
1185547245 M * danman kernel...
1185547260 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185547355 M * daniel_hozac does iptables -t nat -nvL work?
1185547478 M * FBW Faultlessly
1185547503 M * danman try this: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.100.1/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
1185547765 M * FBW works, but it probably doesn't do what I want
1185547802 M * FBW Concerning the error, dmesg reveals: DNAT target bad hook_mask 16
1185547811 M * FBW Might need to specify /24 somewhere I guess
1185547838 M * daniel_hozac what kernel is that?
1185547848 M * danman FBW: this exactly gives net for me in the vserver
1185547882 M * FBW vserver-sources
1185547892 M * daniel_hozac that tells me nothing...
1185547896 M * danman hehe
1185547900 M * Borg- guys
1185547908 M * daniel_hozac version numbers are neat ;)
1185547916 M * Borg- should I send an email about that loopback (127.0.0.1) issue to get any anwwers?
1185547920 M * FBW 2.2.20-vs2.2.0-gentoo
1185547950 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: i doubt that'll work, the mailing list is dead :)
1185547975 M * Borg- hmm not good then.. I already asked 2 times.. and noone willing to even read ;)
1185547999 M * daniel_hozac i've read it, i've just not had a chance to reproduce it.
1185548005 M * Borg- very easy
1185548012 M * Borg- connect to guess.. do ping 127.0.0.1
1185548015 M * Borg- should not work.
1185548019 M * danman daniel_hozac: I just can't get this working and I don't know why
1185548021 M * daniel_hozac right, it shouldn't.
1185548026 M * danman vserver myguest build --context 5580 --hostname myguest --interface eth0:2.2.2.2/24 --initstyle gentoo -m template -- -d gentoo -t /backup/stage4-amd64-20070322.tar.bz2
1185548032 M * danman /etc/init.d/sshd start
1185548045 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: I mean :) It SHOULD.. but should not.. if noone touched it
1185548046 M * daniel_hozac is your host's sshd listening on all IP addresses?
1185548053 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: no, it shouldn't.
1185548057 M * danman Jul 27 14:53:26 myguest sshd[7786]: error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
1185548060 M * danman Jul 27 14:53:26 myguest sshd[7786]: fatal: Cannot bind any address.
1185548065 M * danman and 2.2.2.2 is a public IP
1185548066 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: So.. 127.0.0.1 -> first Guest IP is not full functional?
1185548072 M * danman another one, not the host's one
1185548083 M * Borg- and it will never be?
1185548087 M * daniel_hozac danman: http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#When_I_try_to_ssh_to_the_guest.2C_I_log_into_the_host.2C_even_if_I_installed_sshd_on_the_guest._What.27s_wrong_here.3F
1185548097 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: nope. ICMP is not rewritten.
1185548105 M * Borg- UDP is broken too.
1185548114 M * Borg- sometimes it works.. sometimes it doesnt
1185548115 M * daniel_hozac so you say.
1185548121 M * daniel_hozac i have yet to see proof.
1185548142 M * Borg- login 2 times to guest... on 1: nc -u -l -p 2500
1185548149 M * Borg- or 2: nc -u 127.0.0.1 2500
1185548166 M * Borg- first packet will be sent properly.. others will be discarded
1185548176 M * Borg- nc -u guest_ip 2500 will work fine
1185548195 M * daniel_hozac WORKSFORME.
1185548208 M * Borg- what vserver?
1185548214 M * Borg- maybe I should upgrade then :)
1185548233 M * daniel_hozac this is on a 2.6.20-vs2.2 based kernel.
1185548237 J * anarcat ~anarcat@H144.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca
1185548238 M * anarcat hi
1185548239 M * danman daniel_hozac: ok, you were right, it started now
1185548252 M * Borg- [borg@titanium4] nc -u 127.0.0.1 2500
1185548252 M * Borg- ble
1185548252 M * Borg- snort
1185548257 M * Borg- [borg@titanium4]
1185548261 M * Borg- nc is closed..
1185548264 M * anarcat we're trying out linux-image 2.6.21-2-vserver-amd64 from debian, and we're getting a weird warning on etch
1185548273 M * anarcat i'll pastebin it
1185548276 M * Borg- seems it gets ICMP port unreach or sth like that
1185548293 M * daniel_hozac sounds like firewall to me.
1185548294 M * danman daniel_hozac: what do I have to do to be able to ssh in it from outside? cause it doesn't work... ;-( even with firewall turned off... But the ssh service started ok, and wrote ListenAddress etc...
1185548319 M * anarcat http://paste.linux-vserver.org/4657
1185548320 M * daniel_hozac so it's running now?
1185548324 M * danman daniel_hozac: yeah
1185548332 M * danman both host and guest is on 2222
1185548340 M * Borg- 16:58:36.301516 IP 127.0.0.1.32770 > 192.168.65.134.2500: UDP, length 4
1185548340 M * Borg- 16:58:38.173888 IP 127.0.0.1.32770 > 192.168.65.134.2500: UDP, length 6
1185548340 M * Borg- 16:58:38.173917 IP 192.168.65.134 > 127.0.0.1: ICMP 192.168.65.134 udp port 2500 unreachable, length 42
1185548345 M * daniel_hozac and that IP you assigned is routed to that server? i.e. you see the packets with tcpdump?
1185548346 M * danman and wrote both places the right interfaces and ports
1185548351 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: okey :) I will upgrade then.. if possible.. thanks
1185548354 M * anarcat the vservers basically just don't get started, it's just as if the kernel didn't have the vserver patch in
1185548357 M * daniel_hozac you only have to fix the host's configuration.
1185548358 M * danman daniel_hozac: hmm
1185548369 M * danman daniel_hozac: am I supposed to do anything special to make this routing?
1185548395 M * daniel_hozac anarcat: http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_now_get_errors_like_.22ncontext:_vc_net_create.28.29:_Invalid_argument.3B_dynamic_contexts_disabled..22_on_startup._Vservers_are_not_started
1185548398 M * danman daniel_hozac: all I know is that vmware uses it easily, and if I start up a vmware gentoo with that other public IP, I can connect to it with no rpoblem
1185548417 M * daniel_hozac danman: use the configuration provided by your ISP.
1185548428 M * anarcat daniel_hozac: oh, sorry
1185548471 M * danman daniel_hozac: that's used
1185548483 Q * chand Quit: chand
1185548485 M * danman I'll check tcpdump
1185548569 M * anarcat daniel_hozac: fixed it , thanks
1185548740 M * danman daniel_hozac: I think the route doesn't want to work, but it should ;-(
1185548744 M * danman every ISP setting is ok
1185548750 M * danman vmware works perfectly with that IP
1185548761 M * danman is there some special "route" command for this?
1185548815 M * daniel_hozac what's "this"?
1185548855 M * danman daniel_hozac: well to make me able to ssh in the guest with it's public IP
1185548868 M * danman or should this be working out of the box?
1185548881 M * danman I must be doing something wrong ;-)
1185548912 M * daniel_hozac it depends on the network configuration.
1185548927 M * danman daniel_hozac: but I don't even have net from the guest
1185548932 M * daniel_hozac if you just have multiple public IP addresses on the same network, it should work out of the box.
1185548935 M * danman (no masq, only public IP)
1185548945 M * danman that's exactly what I have
1185548962 M * danman and vmware has no problems when assigning the other public IP ;-(
1185548962 M * daniel_hozac try pinging the gateway from the guest.
1185548988 M * daniel_hozac it could just be caching your VMWare's MAC address.
1185549006 M * danman doest not work ;-(
1185549017 M * danman hmm
1185549037 M * danman that might be the problem ;-(
1185549052 M * danman ok, I'll try to wait then, don't need vmware anymore
1185549827 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1185550088 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1185550882 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185551096 N * dilinger_ dilinger
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1185551380 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
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1185551830 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185552159 N * ensc Guest191
1185552169 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F716.dip.t-dialin.net
1185552274 Q * Guest191 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1185552747 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
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1185553445 Q * emtty Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185553546 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185554357 M * Bertl_oO zLinux: having troubles with your conenction?
1185554372 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1185554380 M * Bertl dilinger: did you get my updates for OLPC?
1185554683 M * eyck   olpc one laptop per child?
1185554730 P * anarcat 
1185554945 M * Bertl eyck: correct
1185554960 M * eyck they use vserver?
1185554971 M * Bertl eyck: correct again
1185554986 M * danman daniel_hozac, Bertl: I'd just let you guys know, that the arp cache of the router was the problem ;-)
1185554995 M * danman it's working now!!! :-)
1185555007 M * Bertl danman: as expected yesterday! excellent!
1185555009 M * danman thx for every help!
1185555016 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1185555022 M * slack101 Good day!
1185555028 M * Bertl wb slack101!
1185555036 A * slack101 has entered the building :P
1185555043 M * eyck i'm on a roll today. guessing so correctly. incredible.
1185555058 M * Bertl eyck: yeah, try another one :)
1185555060 M * danman now my next question is, that how can I firewall my guest with another private IP? :-)
1185555073 M * danman I have to give the firewall rules from the host, right?
1185555074 M * slack101 it plays to look at config files 
1185555078 M * slack101 pays* 
1185555081 M * Bertl danman: the same as you firewall your hosts ip
1185555093 M * danman Bertl: I've read that iptables does not work on guests
1185555101 M * danman but ok, I guess it will work from the host ;-)
1185555104 M * danman great!
1185555114 M * Bertl danman: it is not allowed inside guest
1185555124 M * Bertl danman: it works quite fine _for_ guests
1185555142 M * danman i c
1185555145 M * danman great
1185555168 M * slack101 maybe wanna checkout a iptables web ui like i did danman
1185555172 M * slack101 works good 
1185555191 M * danman hmm, wat's it called?
1185555202 M * slack101 well its going to require a little modding on your side 
1185555205 M * Bertl slack101: do we have an url for that?
1185555210 M * slack101 sf.net theres about 50 ;)
1185555232 M * slack101 Bertl: well i can upload the one i made but i would like ot go over it a little bit mor 
1185555237 M * danman :-)))
1185555243 M * slack101 its very very simmple
1185555275 M * slack101 danman: and if your really desperate like right now theres virtua tables 
1185555290 M * slack101 daniel_hozac put up a mirror download of it 
1185555291 M * danman hmm, never heard of it :-)
1185555296 M * danman wow
1185555296 M * danman ok
1185555307 M * slack101 its a real per say Ghetto way of doing it :P
1185555309 M * slack101 but works 
1185555312 M * danman I guess that's an iptables equivalent in the guest?
1185555344 M * Bertl it's a proof of concept implementation of outsourcing iptables functionality to a host daemon
1185555347 M * slack101 well  you have iptables.sh and you run your iptables commnads on it and it sends it to the guest and depenidning on your ip it will set the rile to that 
1185555359 M * slack101 rule*
1185555375 M * danman wow
1185555376 M * Bertl danman: in a future version, the relaying will be done by the kernel
1185555387 M * danman cool
1185555408 M * Bertl (still needs to get a good policy daemon implementation)
1185555408 M * slack101 lol Bertl it went from its not on the agenda to its going ot be done in the kernel ; ) ?
1185555423 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185555430 Q * jkl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1185555478 M * Bertl slack101: if you check the IRC logs, you will find that I already suggested this approach to the folks who implemented the virtuatable stuff
1185555488 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185555495 M * slack101 Bertl: im just messing with ya 
1185555526 M * slack101 but yea that php daemon that virtuatables uses takes like 6 mb although i was surpised it did not leak 
1185555530 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185555573 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185555616 M * slack101 Bertl: didnt you say ther was a bash obstricator ? i looked ofr 2 hours for one 
1185555617 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection
1185555976 M * Bertl slack101: what I said was: <Bertl> slack101: you can write a small bash obfuscator, which converts any script into binary :)
1185556081 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
1185556747 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1185556768 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1185557935 J * balbir ~balbir@122.167.14.223
1185558116 Q * gerrit Quit: Client exiting
1185558274 Q * chand Quit: chand
1185558480 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1185558833 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: i don't remember if i showed this to you yesterday, http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-removeaf-feat02.diff
1185558851 M * Bertl yep, you did ... yes something like that is okay for me
1185558858 M * daniel_hozac oh, okay. hehe.
1185558897 M * Bertl most likely I'll change the bit number, but that should be a minor detail, I guess
1185558931 M * daniel_hozac sure..
1185559106 Q * Pazzo Quit: ...
1185559201 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection
1185559212 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com
1185559402 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1185560079 J * bzed ~bzed@10-205-116-85.dsl.manitu.net
1185560924 J * AStorm ~astralsto@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl
1185561205 Q * AStorm 
1185561221 J * AStorm ~astralsto@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl
1185561301 Q * AStorm 
1185561310 J * AStorm ~astralsto@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl
1185561435 Q * AStorm 
1185561845 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org
1185561892 J * AStorm ~astralsto@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl
1185561940 Q * AStorm 
1185561952 J * AStorm ~astralsto@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl
1185562229 M * Bertl AStorm: hmm, fine tuning your desktop?
1185562499 M * bXi Bertl: Linux venice 2.6.21.6-vs2.2.0.3.ipv6 #1 Thu Jul 26 15:40:19 CEST 2007 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
1185562503 M * bXi runs smoothly so far
1185562525 M * Bertl excellent, you know you could install a 64bit kernel there
1185562547 M * bXi i know but i'm afraid lots of stuff wont work
1185562635 M * daniel_hozac like?
1185562646 M * AStorm Bertl, yep
1185562653 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: latest java browser plugins
1185562653 M * AStorm sawfish
1185562660 M * bXi nxserver
1185562663 M * AStorm and IRC client a bit too
1185562684 M * daniel_hozac bXi: you can always run the 32-bit version of that...
1185562734 M * bXi wouldnt it also require a recompile of everything?
1185562749 M * daniel_hozac oh, you're a Gentoo user?
1185562754 M * bXi yeah
1185562762 M * AStorm bXi, no, it shouldn't
1185562763 M * daniel_hozac you should've gone 64-bit from the start then :)
1185562786 M * AStorm bXi, if you enable 32-bit compat support in the kernel, it will happily run 32-bit apps
1185562805 M * AStorm the only problem is that you won't be able to switch to 64-bit easily anyway
1185562816 M * AStorm you'd need a cross toolchain
1185562835 M * AStorm Because you can't rebuild glibc to support 64-bits w/o breaking everything
1185562862 M * bXi whats the advantage of 64bit anyway i've yet to see noticable differences
1185562888 M * AStorm mencoder, use it :>
1185562898 M * daniel_hozac yet you see the difference when compiling everything on your own?
1185562899 M * Bertl twice as fast, more virtual memory space, sse3/4
1185562913 M * bXi daniel_hozac: no but i like gentoo on servers 
1185562921 M * AStorm Yep, more memory space is definitively
1185562930 M * AStorm but "twice as fast" is doubtful :>
1185562932 M * daniel_hozac because then they always look real busy?
1185562947 M * bXi nah i like the portage concept
1185562954 M * bXi and i dislike freebsd :P
1185562972 M * Bertl AStorm: most serious apps use 64bit arithmetic (including large parts of the kernel) thus this alone gives a 2-3x speedup
1185562985 M * bXi hmmm
1185562988 M * Bertl AStorm: the larger (twice as large) register set adds too
1185563015 M * bXi i was thinking about 64bit cpu's some time ago
1185563031 M * bXi like would it be possible to somehow simulate 2 32bit cpu's with it
1185563043 M * AStorm bXi, not really
1185563052 M * daniel_hozac sure, run 2 qemus :)
1185563053 M * Bertl bXi: sure you can, but that would be wasted cpu power
1185563055 M * AStorm it doesn't have twice as many pipelines
1185563068 M * Hollow http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive?mss:1:200707:bgbgpcnanbgnpdoaffef
1185563071 M * Hollow :)
1185563084 M * bXi hehe
1185563088 M * daniel_hozac yay
1185563093 A * bXi subscribes
1185563098 M * Bertl \o/
1185563116 M * bXi Hollow: !
1185563123 M * Hollow vserver-subscribe@list.linux-vserver.org :)
1185563129 M * Bertl Hollow: is it easy to subscribe somebody from our side?
1185563134 M * daniel_hozac where's the web-interface? :)
1185563136 M * Hollow yes
1185563153 M * Hollow via qmailadmin
1185563168 M * Hollow i will send you the postmaster password
1185563171 M * AStorm qmail? Why?
1185563179 M * Bertl Hollow: okay, great, so I'll send the suggested mail, and relay you the data
1185563181 M * Hollow because qmail rocks
1185563185 M * AStorm ...
1185563199 M * bXi you remember that patch you fixed for one of the lirc modules?
1185563205 A * Bertl prefers postfix ...
1185563218 M * Bertl but qmail is fine if it works ...
1185563256 M * Hollow well, qmail is a PITA on bin distros, but qmail on gentoo defnitely rocks
1185563261 M * bXi Acknowledgment: I have added the address
1185563261 M * bXi bluepunk@gmail.com
1185563263 M * bXi to the vserver mailing list.
1185563265 M * bXi \o/
1185563295 M * Hollow bXi: yes, i do..
1185563305 M * Hollow but iÄm not sure it still exists :)
1185563308 M * bXi hehe
1185563317 M * bXi i'll find out soon enough
1185563372 M * bXi oh btw
1185563384 M * bXi http://www.syn-3.nl/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=39&Itemid=63
1185563384 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: if people really want a webinterface to enter their emailadress i guess we can create a really simple one fast enough :)
1185563394 M * bXi you might want to take a look at 
1185563396 M * bXi Syn-3 versie 4.1 release candidate 1 - Happy holiday releasenew!
1185563424 M * bXi they've included vserver support
1185563428 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: i guess i'm just spoiled by mailman ;)
1185563442 M * Bertl yeah, with those nice interfaces for everything :)
1185563444 M * AStorm Hollow, that's not qmail, it's qmail-esque patch blob :>
1185563451 M * Hollow yeah.. mailman even gives users passwords.. WTF?
1185563476 M * Bertl Hollow: to select the distribution (i.e. digest vs direct)
1185563493 M * AStorm also, to unsubscribe w/o sending an email
1185563871 M * Hollow vserver-digest-subscribe@list.linux-vserver.org :)
1185565103 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1185565842 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org
1185565847 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.9
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1185567630 M * Bertl Hollow: do I expect an answer from the subscribe url?
1185567654 M * Bertl s/url/email-address/
1185567791 M * bXi Bertl: yes
1185567800 M * bXi unless that digest thingie changed something
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1185568811 Q * DavidS|Vechta Quit: Leaving.
1185570618 M * sladen meh, have to up-dating all the filters
1185570639 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-205-95.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net
1185570700 M * sladen Bertl: you've re-pointed the DNS for linux-vserver?
1185570709 M * sladen Bertl: what address did it previously point to?
1185570848 M * sladen Bertl:  do you still have the moderator password for the previous mailman config?
1185571004 M * sladen Bertl: if so, try   echo who PaSsWoRd | mail vserver-request@daffy.hulpsystems.net
1185571644 M * Bertl sladen: sounds good in theory, but the ML is now finally down since 18th, and I never had any password
1185571739 M * Bertl sladen: but it would be great to subscribe your archives to the new list (if not done so already)
1185571859 M * bXi Bertl: do you know any project i could play with?
1185571861 M * bXi i'm bored :p
1185572086 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver could use some work... :)
1185572099 M * bXi i'm no c coder i'm afraid
1185572119 M * bXi i've hacked some patches
1185572121 M * sladen Bertl: how finally, finally down?  there's a MTA running it appears?
1185572178 M * daniel_hozac sladen: it's not doing the mailing list thing anymore.
1185572184 M * daniel_hozac messages go in, they never come out.
1185572241 M * sladen lovely
1185572249 M * Bertl bXi: you could try to 'hack' the iptable/netlink forwarding through kernel stuff?
1185572309 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-109-39.dclient.hispeed.ch
1185572310 M * bXi i'm afraid i'll break the kernel even by just thinking of doing that :p
1185573106 M * Hollow Bertl: i already subscribed you :)
1185573134 M * Bertl yeah, np, I got a mail stating that (after I confirmed the subscription :)
1185573145 M * Hollow ok :)
1185573204 M * sladen Bertl: mailman keeps trying to subscribe  p@s.org   can you please subscribe  vserver@p.s.org  manually?
1185573225 M * Hollow sladen: ok, sec..
1185573255 M * Hollow done
1185573259 M * sladen groovy
1185575042 M * Bertl hmm .. strange things happen ...
1185575076 M * Bertl Hollow: I just got email from Martin, with the list of subscribed folks ...
1185575089 M * Bertl (previously subscribed that is)
1185575090 M * Hollow wow, great
1185575109 M * Hollow forward them and i'll add them
1185575117 M * Bertl yes, but I think we should wait a little with that
1185575122 M * Hollow i already wrote a little app for work to add huge amounts of subscribers :)
1185575143 M * Bertl rationale: we might get a better view of active subscriptions
1185575178 M * Bertl nevertheless, I will do a delta to the folks I already sent email to, just to verify who we missed
1185575186 M * Hollow ok
1185575931 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1185577236 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-215-132.pools.arcor-ip.net
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