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1184889911 J * EtherNet ~ethernet@host170.190-31-8.telecom.net.ar
1184890378 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1184890553 J * arachnist ~arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl
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1184892538 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-134-131.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1184894300 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
1184894993 Q * Johnnie Read error: Operation timed out
1184895578 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-142-234.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
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1184896557 J * nox ~nox@static.88-198-17-175.clients.your-server.de
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1184906367 J * HeinMueck ~Miranda@dslb-088-064-007-015.pools.arcor-ip.net
1184907075 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1184907126 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1184907652 Q * UukGoblin Remote host closed the connection
1184907691 J * UukGoblin ~jaaa@sr-fw1.router.uk.clara.net
1184908240 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1184909284 M * Ashsong Anyone awake?
1184909391 M * arachnist me, myself and i
1184909400 M * Ashsong Excellent.
1184909419 M * Ashsong Does VServer mess with pseudo-terminals?
1184909457 M * arachnist "mess" as in..?
1184909475 M * Ashsong "control access to"
1184909486 M * Ashsong More specifically:
1184909500 M * Ashsong I have an application which uses GTK's VTE widget to present a terminal to the user.
1184909531 M * Ashsong This application works fine in the host context, but starts failing when I put it into other contexts (and chroots)
1184909544 M * arachnist as long as you have /dev/ptmx, it should be fine
1184909553 M * arachnist crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 2007-06-28 15:50 ptmx
1184909553 M * Ashsong I'm having trouble finding the source of the failure: I don't have any decent logging output from it, and strace() doesn't tell me anything informative.
1184909578 M * Ashsong Hmm.
1184909593 M * arachnist at least with terms, dunno about other things
1184909641 M * arachnist besides, if it's an X app running in chroot/vserver that is supposed to use host's X server, you should have a shared /tmp between host and guest
1184909709 M * arachnist oh, and xhost +<ip or hostname here>
1184909716 M * Ashsong We're doing sillier things.
1184909758 M * Ashsong In particular, we're hardlinking/copying/bind-mounting the X socket and X authority files into the jails.
1184909793 M * Ashsong (I can start other X apps inside the container. In fact, the app starts; I'm just unable to interact with the terminal widget.)
1184909807 M * Ashsong (It's as though it receives no keyboard input whatsoever)
1184911667 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1184911732 M * Bertl morning!
1184911751 M * Bertl Ashsong: do you /dev/pts mounted inside the namespace?
1184911778 M * Ashsong Well, that's the question.
1184911787 M * Ashsong I rw-bind-mounted /dev into the container.
1184911797 M * Ashsong It's not clear whether that's compatible with devpts.
1184911808 M * Bertl that's nice, but doesn't help there, unless you rbind-mounted it
1184911811 M * Ashsong So now I'm about to try mounting devpts directly.
1184911818 M * Ashsong rbind?
1184911822 M * Ashsong rw-bind, you mean?
1184911829 M * Bertl recursive bind mount
1184911833 M * Ashsong Ah.
1184911841 M * Ashsong No, I'm pretty sure I didn't do that.
1184911843 M * Bertl but better to mount /dev/pts explicitely
1184911847 M * Ashsong Indeed.
1184911876 M * Bertl and you do not need rw access to /dev, as device nodes will work even on ro
1184911894 M * Ashsong Hmm.
1184911906 M * Ashsong I have much to learn about the mysteries of the kernel. :)
1184912012 M * Ashsong Bertl: Incidentally, thanks for your help with the cpu scheduling earlier. It works like a charm. :)
1184912023 M * Bertl excellent!
1184912764 M * markus__ morning
1184912916 M * Bertl and a good one 2u2!
1184912938 M * Bertl Ashsong: I should be around today every now and then, so if you need something, just ask ...
1184912949 M * Ashsong Bertl: thanks!
1184912950 M * Bertl (I will answer when I get back)
1184912959 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1184913396 Q * EtherNet Read error: Operation timed out
1184913850 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1184914662 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.116.18
1184914718 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann[PullA]
1184915043 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@195.254.225.136
1184915540 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz
1184915565 M * puck Hey, just wondering if there is any roadmap for including the IPv6 patch in the main vserver patch?
1184915582 M * Bertl_oO yep, consider it done for 2.3
1184915602 M * Bertl_oO (i.e. one of the next releases will contain ipv6 support)
1184915614 M * puck awesome, so I can use the 2.3 patch (devel is fine with me for now) and it might possibly work?  ;)
1184915635 M * Bertl_oO no, I said, _next_ releases :)
1184915645 M * puck ah, oh well...
1184915650 M * Bertl_oO the currently available release does not support it yet
1184915661 M * puck Cool, I can wait for a bit longer then.
1184915667 M * puck thanks!
1184915669 M * Bertl_oO you're welcome!
1184915692 M * Ashsong Bertl_oO: Okay, so I use mknod() to copy in /dev/ptmx, then I bind-mount /dev/pts.
1184915701 M * Ashsong Still not working. Currently working on getting strace output.
1184915713 M * puck Actually, I guess that leads to, any idea when 2.3 will be around?
1184915740 M * Bertl_oO 2.3 is already around
1184915769 M * Bertl_oO Ashsong: hmm, how do you 'copy' with mknod()?
1184915804 M * Bertl_oO Ashsong: but yeah, that should do the trick, although simply mount(2)ing the pts would be simpler
1184915808 M * puck cool
1184915859 M * Ashsong Bertl_oO: eek, sorry, that's what I'm doing.
1184915862 M * Ashsong I'm just sleepy. :)
1184915889 M * Ashsong And my 'copy', I guess I really mean 'make a new ptmx device where the containerized child can get to it'
1184915980 M * Bertl_oO device node, yes :)
1184916049 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@156.192-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be
1184916058 M * Ashsong Thanks.
1184916068 M * Ashsong If you're curious, I have an strace log http://dev.laptop.org/~mstone/inside.log from inside the container.
1184916086 M * Ashsong However, as I'm fading fast, don't worry about it too much.
1184916420 J * dna ~naucki@65-192-dsl.kielnet.net
1184916461 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184916672 M * Ashsong Ah hah!
1184916676 M * Ashsong Search for 'ptmx'
1184916683 M * Ashsong Half-way down in the log, there's an EACCES
1184916687 M * Ashsong whoops!
1184917061 M * Ashsong Hmm.
1184917081 M * Ashsong Telling mknod to use 0777 for its permissions still doesn't seem to fix the EACCES against /dev/ptmx
1184917087 M * Ashsong Thoughts?
1184917252 M * Bertl_oO EACCES on ptmx? sounds weird
1184917309 M * Bertl_oO double check that you are not bringing your terminal with you
1184917324 M * Bertl_oO (into the context) and then try to access it
1184917343 M * Bertl_oO check with the vlogin code (you probably have to do similar)
1184917352 M * Bertl_oO okay, back later ...
1184917403 M * Ashsong Thanks.
1184917428 M * Ashsong What do you mean by 'bringing my terminal with me'?
1184917443 M * Ashsong e.g. as an open file descriptor?
1184917618 N * Ashsong Ashsong|sleep
1184918308 T * harry http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0.3, 2.0.3-rc3, devel 2.3.0.12, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0.3 | util-vserver-0.30.213 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
1184920461 Q * vasko Quit: Hey!  Where'd my controlling terminal go?
1184920462 Q * HeinMueck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1184921061 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34
1184921699 Q * waldi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1184922018 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1184922224 J * Hollow ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1184922287 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1184923730 M * rgl is there a place that describes the /proc/virtual FS?
1184923871 J * baldy baldy@baldy.biz
1184924275 M * baldy huhu can anyone tell me which is the lates ipv6 patch?
1184924289 M * baldy and where is the link.. i cant find it :-(
1184924386 M * harry hmm... iirc, the latest one was for 2..20.5 or so
1184924390 M * harry hmm... iirc, the latest one was for 2.6.20.5 or so
1184924419 M * harry i updated it to 2.6.21.5
1184924425 M * harry or 6 if you want
1184924433 M * baldy the ipv6 patch?
1184924444 M * baldy then will .6 better ;)
1184924562 M * harry but only for grsec...
1184924654 M * baldy yeah no problem
1184924657 M * baldy i hope ;)
1184924739 M * harry gimme a sec :)
1184924893 M * harry http://people.linux-vserver.org/~harry/ipv6/ipv6-2.6.21.6-vs2.2.0.3-grsec2.1.10-20070720.diff
1184924905 M * harry http://people.linux-vserver.org/~harry/patch-2.6.21.6-vs2.2.0.3-grsec2.1.10-20070720.diff
1184924909 M * harry apply the last one first
1184924913 M * harry then ipv6 patch
1184924928 M * harry (you can disable grsec stuff if you don't know what it does ;))
1184924968 M * baldy k thx ;)
1184925006 M * rgl harry, how do you keep up updating your patch against new kernel updates?
1184925014 M * harry rgl: ?
1184925029 M * harry baldy: there is someone who uses this patch
1184925034 M * harry the ipv6
1184925041 M * rgl harry, what tool do you use to marge your patch/changes with the vserver patch?
1184925043 M * harry i don't have it myself
1184925051 M * harry but it works without a problem afaik
1184925061 M * harry rgl: no tool
1184925072 M * harry just interdiff/diff/vi/common sense :)
1184925076 M * rgl harry, how you do it?
1184925082 M * rgl uu! :D
1184925102 M * harry first: apply grsec, then i apply vserver patch
1184925117 M * harry fix all rejects/check all offset differences (to make sure they're ok)
1184925124 M * harry then test it
1184925139 M * harry for minor updates: interdiff the patches and apply them again
1184925144 M * harry mostly it's no problem :)
1184925155 M * rgl for the trained one ;)
1184925171 M * harry it's no rocket science... but experience helps ;)
1184925250 M * harry the ipv6 patch was pretty simple :)
1184925264 M * rgl and it helps to known grsec and vserver internals too, I suppose?
1184925284 M * harry i don't understand everything, but the basics... yeah :)
1184925299 M * harry if you have rejects in parts, i try to understand how it works
1184925331 M * harry you can't fix stuff if you don't konw what it does/how it works
1184925348 M * rgl a depth breath helps? :D
1184925641 Q * Wonka Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184926836 M * baldy harry: do u have any small ipv6 to to migrate it to the servers?
1184927009 M * harry ?
1184927033 M * harry i don't get it
1184927188 M * baldy the patch u mean
1184927193 M * baldy the patch is installed
1184927221 M * baldy i mean a smal how to to setup the ipv6 ips int the /etv/vservers/.../
1184927260 M * harry baldy: i never used it
1184927268 M * harry check the linux-vserver
1184927270 M * harry website
1184927289 M * baldy k i will have a look late hehe
1184928700 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184929062 J * renihs ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1184929073 M * renihs hey good old vservers devs! :p
1184929106 M * sid3windr OLD?!
1184929107 M * renihs i wonder, i am pretty sure that the problematic of a bsd jail or chroot was discussed (touched slighly) in the white papers of vservers (backjumping) 
1184929136 M * renihs but now i dont find anything on that and i want to argue about the advantages of vservers over jails/chroots (stupid comparison i know)
1184929151 M * renihs but i am not finding really alot docs which help me backup :p
1184929155 M * renihs sid3windr, sorry :p
1184929177 M * sid3windr ;)
1184929182 M * sid3windr I'm not a vserver dev, so I wasn't offended
1184929183 M * sid3windr :p
1184929185 M * renihs Bertl_oO, i know for looooong time ...that makes him old and wise in my perception
1184929258 M * renihs however any docs or principle problems (which i didnt understand and/or cant remember) with the jails compared to vserver would be appreciated alot 
1184930855 M * harry renihs: jails are bsd only
1184930870 M * harry chroot is only for processes, not for network/...
1184930885 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1184931343 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving.
1184931732 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection
1184931797 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1184933540 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1184933577 Q * rgl 
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1184935169 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1184936111 M * daniel_hozac baldy: http://linux-vserver.org/IPv6
1184936125 M * daniel_hozac baldy: also links to my people space which has updated IPv6-patches...
1184936156 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1184936210 M * sid3windr hm
1184936217 M * sid3windr I wouldn't suggest writing on wiki in first person
1184936222 M * sid3windr but ohwell.
1184936285 M * daniel_hozac that was a cut'n'paste from an email, IIRC :)
1184936393 M * daniel_hozac feel free to fix it ;)
1184936560 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1184936568 M * baldy daniel_hozac: is there no subnet lengh needed?
1184936595 M * daniel_hozac baldy: as usual, that is recommended.
1184936640 Q * cedric Read error: Connection reset by peer
1184936651 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1184936761 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184936770 M * baldy i will check it later
1184936772 M * baldy see a ddos
1184936784 M * baldy comming from 10.x.x.x hehe
1184938016 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1184938155 M * renihs harry, i know
1184938179 M * renihs but as far as i remembered, the initial flaw in the concept was the same or related
1184938311 Q * cedric Quit: cedric
1184938381 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1184938528 Q * markus__ Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071317]
1184939306 Q * matti Quit: 8-X
1184939592 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1184939876 J * simon_ ~simon@ip-83-99-23-143.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu
1184939915 M * simon_ hi
1184939933 M * simon_ I'm trying to run bind inside a vserver.
1184939940 M * simon_ Port 53/tcp works perfectly, but the udp equivalent doesn't work.
1184939946 M * simon_ The kernel version is 2.6.22.1 (including latest patch + utils).
1184939953 M * simon_ Any idea what the problem might be ?
1184939980 M * simon_ I've tried running bind on the host, with the same IP, and it did work (to rule out netfilter misconfigurations).
1184939993 M * simon_ Also adding various capabilities (NET_ADMIN, NET_RAW, ...) doesn't help.
1184940321 J * EtherNet- ~ethernet@host40.190-31-237.telecom.net.ar
1184940744 M * mjt define "doesn't work"
1184940761 M * simon_ packets arrived...but the vserver didn't reply
1184940773 M * simon_ well anyway somehow it seems to work now
1184940786 M * simon_ guess I was working just too late yesterday ;-)
1184940811 M * mjt you'd better specify interface address(es) to listen on in named.conf
1184940825 M * simon_ I did so
1184940825 M * mjt listing the guest's IPs in there
1184940854 M * mjt there's no difference between tcp and udp for vserver
1184940865 M * simon_ the strange thing was that I'm already running several vservers with bind...without any problems. it's only on this new machine with the latest kernel+patch that I had trouble
1184940884 M * mjt ..unless there's some bug somewhere ;)
1184940908 M * mjt and also, NET_RAW and NET_ADMIN has nothing to do with that
1184940910 M * simon_ hmm... or maybe it was because I was testing with nmap, because with nmap I still get no reply. But with dig I do get a reply
1184940933 M * simon_ I guessed so, but tried anything possible to get it to work :-(
1184940990 M * mjt http://lwn.net/Articles/242072/
1184940998 M * simon_ allright, nmap doesn't seem to be reliable for testing udp ports .... grrr I was wasting ours on that one
1184941003 M * mjt ..which is close to giving NET_ADMIN
1184941016 M * simon_ hahahah yeah I read that one :-D
1184941042 M * simon_ I do know net_admin is really bad.... it was just for testing
1184941063 M * simon_ thnx for your help mjt
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1184941249 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1184942033 Q * EtherNet- Remote host closed the connection
1184942414 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184942743 N * C14r_ C14r
1184944149 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
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1184945193 M * coderanger Is there a tool to dump the xid tag of a file?
1184945223 M * daniel_hozac lsxid
1184945279 M * coderanger ||ERR|| means no tag?
1184945294 M * daniel_hozac !!ERR!! means the filesystem doesn't support tagging.
1184945306 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. you didn't mount it with -o tag)
1184945322 M * coderanger Ahh, thanky
1184945538 M * coderanger Any reason other than tagging that a file wouldn't show up on the other side of a bind mount?
1184945641 M * coderanger Hrmm, doesn't seem related to vserver at all
1184945651 M * daniel_hozac what are you bind mounting?
1184945907 M * coderanger  /var
1184945922 M * coderanger The system dbus socket isn't visible on the other side of the bind
1184945964 M * coderanger  /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
1184946023 M * daniel_hozac and /var/run isn't a separete filesystem?
1184946029 M * daniel_hozac +english
1184946071 M * coderanger It is, but /var/run/dbus is present, just empty
1184946086 M * daniel_hozac so it's an rbind?
1184946102 M * daniel_hozac i.e. you see the /var/run mount in the activity as well?
1184946118 M * daniel_hozac (in /proc/mounts)
1184946164 M * coderanger Can't check that right now
1184946217 M * daniel_hozac check for MS_REC in your sources then (i assume you do the bind mount manually)
1184946219 Q * virtuoso Remote host closed the connection
1184946268 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1184946271 M * coderanger I'll add that, thanky
1184946317 M * daniel_hozac btw, if you need it, http://svn.linux-vserver.org/projects/util-vserver/changeset/2568
1184946347 M * coderanger We just manually wrapped the v5 calls using vc_syscall
1184946361 M * daniel_hozac okay.
1184946387 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu
1184946648 J * jmcaricand ~kvirc@d90-144-45-95.cust.tele2.fr
1184947309 N * ensc Guest824
1184947319 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F8D3.dip.t-dialin.net
1184947359 M * coderanger daniel_hozac: Many thanks again, that fixed it
1184947425 Q * Guest824 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1184947496 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1184947500 M * daniel_hozac okay, good, you're welcome.
1184947512 M * phedny thank you, daniel_hozac 
1184947564 M * daniel_hozac haha, not intended for you ;)
1184948740 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:5c0:85e2:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1184949154 Q * chand Quit: chand
1184949278 M * ntrs_ how easy/complex is it to implement user quotas in the guests?
1184951101 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1184952317 Q * cedric Quit: cedric
1184952792 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-108-053.pools.arcor-ip.net
1184953384 M * ntrs_ anyone?
1184955041 J * phedny_ ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1184955122 N * _fs fs
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1184955599 M * daniel_hozac ntrs_: the guests will have to be on separate filesystems and you'll have to setup vroot devices, but other than that, it's the same as on a typical machine.
1184955762 Q * jmcaricand Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/
1184956459 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, separate filesystems on separate physical devices?
1184956549 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1184956615 M * ntrs_ or just the vroot devices?
1184956635 M * ntrs_ Is there an easy howto or something similar available?
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1184957310 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-110-9.adsl.restena.lu
1184957670 M * daniel_hozac separate physical devices.
1184957706 M * daniel_hozac http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Standard+non-shared+quota
1184958051 M * Roey Hey all
1184958138 M * daniel_hozac hi
1184958307 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, wait, so I have to repartition the hard drive? I guess doing this for an existing running host with multiple guests is pretty much out of the question, right?
1184958410 M * ntrs_ The howto says nothing about multiple physical devices.
1184958415 M * Supaplex ext2 has a 'online resize support' feature, but it has to be setup at mkfs time.  I suggest that + lvm so you can dynamicly reallocate as needed
1184958460 M * Supaplex and as ext2, it applies to ext3 (and supposedly ext4 if/when it comes of age)
1184958583 M * daniel_hozac yeah, LVM is certainly the way to go if you want quotas.
1184958971 M * Supaplex hummm
1184958990 M * Supaplex can a guest mount an nfs export from the host?
1184959014 M * daniel_hozac if you give it the necessary capabilities.
1184959015 M * Supaplex the host reports it as an authenticated request, but the guest simply says permission denied. I can't find any logs.
1184959031 M * daniel_hozac where did you mount it?
1184959037 M * daniel_hozac i mean, from where.
1184959053 M * Supaplex Jul 20 19:16:05 riddle portmap[7566]: cannot bind udp: Address already in use
1184959065 M * daniel_hozac you might also want to look at the rpc and nfsd debugging options.
1184959125 M * Supaplex I think i'll grab and test the most sane localhost support, and rebuild
1184959149 M * Supaplex but for now, I'll cheat with mount --bind ;)
1184959211 M * Supaplex humph. cool.
1184959270 A * Supaplex crusies the wiki
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1184959502 M * Supaplex so fstab it is. bind works there. awesome ^ 2.
1184959530 M * Supaplex is there anyway to not reboot my guest, and allow fstab updates to apply?
1184959585 M * daniel_hozac no.
1184959601 M * daniel_hozac you can do the mount manually though, with vnamespace -e <guest> mount -n --bind ...
1184959662 M * Supaplex oh ok.
1184959879 M * Supaplex bah. special device grrr
1184959956 M * Supaplex riddle:~# vnamespace -e manage mount -n --bind -t ext3 /backups/manage/ /var/lib/vservers/manage/net/riddle/backups/
1184959959 M * Supaplex mount: special device /backups/manage/ does not exist
1184959999 M * Supaplex if I use ls -l /backups - it's there, but empty. the host has lots of files there, and the guest has no /backups directory
1184960005 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, what about quotas on loop mounted or bind mounted partitions? is that possible?
1184960186 M * daniel_hozac ntrs_: loop mounted, yes, bind mounted is still the same filesystem.
1184960208 M * daniel_hozac Supaplex: yeah, it was probably cleaned up when you started the guest (the /backups mount)
1184960217 M * ntrs_ how do I use loop mounted partitions to use quotas inside a guest?
1184960229 M * Supaplex I guess I'll restart it :(
1184960229 M * ntrs_ Is there  a guide or a howto for that?
1184960329 M * daniel_hozac ntrs_: just setup the loop devices as you normally would, and then follow the instructions.
1184960344 M * ntrs_ what instructions?
1184960451 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net
1184960452 M * daniel_hozac http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Standard+non-shared+quota
1184960558 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, is vroot still required if using loopback mounts?
1184960569 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1184960615 M * ntrs_ Can I only have eight vroot devices?
1184960624 M * daniel_hozac by default, yes.
1184960635 M * ntrs_ how do I increase the default?
1184960656 M * daniel_hozac load the module/boot with max_vroot=<number, up to 255>
1184960659 M * Supaplex uh wtf. I thought I installed libchart-linespoints-perl last week already. *grumble*
1184960669 M * Supaplex my guest better not be loosing config!
1184960672 M * daniel_hozac 256, actually.
1184960700 M * ntrs_ ah, so it is only a boot option?
1184960769 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1184960787 M * ntrs_ Is this independent between multiple guests? I mean, can I use a loopback mount and a vroot device to enable user quotas only for one guests and leave the other 20 guests not use user quotas or do I have to use quotas for all guests?
1184960808 M * daniel_hozac you can have them for just one if you want.
1184960836 M * ntrs_ the other ones do not have to be changed in any way, right? vroot devices or such?
1184961045 M * daniel_hozac right.
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1184963425 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, the howto says "/dev/vroot/0" but my system seems to have /dev/vroot0. Is this normal?
1184963437 M * daniel_hozac the first is the devfs path.
1184963622 M * ntrs_ /dev/hdv1 / ufs rw,usrquota,grpquota 0 0
1184963627 M * ntrs_ what is ufs here?
1184963676 M * sid3windr a dummy value
1184963747 M * ntrs_ so I should replace it with ext3?
1184963797 M * sid3windr no
1184963823 M * ntrs_ just leave it as it is?
1184963996 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1184964062 M * ntrs_ # mount -t ext3 /dev/vroot0 /vservers/thetest
1184964062 M * ntrs_ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vroot0,
1184964062 M * ntrs_        or too many mounted file systems
1184964062 M * ntrs_        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
1184964062 M * ntrs_        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
1184964077 M * daniel_hozac you're not supposed to mount the vroot0.
1184964083 M * daniel_hozac it's a quota proxy device.
1184964120 M * Roey anyone here know about ext4 and extcow?
1184964144 M * daniel_hozac Linux-VServer's COW isn't good enough for you? :)
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1184964562 M * Roey =)
1184964569 M * Roey daniel_hozac:  I don't know :(
1184964571 M * Roey is it fs-level?
1184964574 M * Roey I'll bbiab
1184964576 M * Roey going home
1184964767 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, do I have to have the loop device mounted before I try to start the guest?
1184964815 M * daniel_hozac ntrs_: you can use the guest's fstab if you want.
1184964831 M * daniel_hozac i don't think secure-mount implements -o loop though.
1184964864 M * ntrs_ so in any case the loop device has to be mounted before starting the guest?
1184964886 M * ntrs_ should it be mounted in /vservers/<guest> ?
1184964929 M * daniel_hozac depends on where you want the quotas, i guess.
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1184964965 M * ntrs_ What do you mean? Wouldn't I normally want the quotas in the guest?
1184964981 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1184964991 M * daniel_hozac well, you may just want them on /vservers/<guest>/home. i don't know ;)
1184965016 M * ntrs_ no, I want it for the entire guest.
1184965154 M * Roey um
1184965166 M * Roey so like, #linuxfs mentioned this project justnow
1184965177 M * Roey joern_
1184965192 M * ntrs_ daniel_hozac, as the last step the howto says "- still inside the guest, turn quotas on"\
1184965212 M * ntrs_ what do I do? I tried quotaon but it comes back with quotaon: using //aquota.group on /dev/hdv1 [/]: Invalid argument
1184965213 M * ntrs_ quotaon: Maybe create new quota files with quotacheck(8)?
1184965213 M * ntrs_ quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/hdv1 [/]: Invalid argument
1184965213 M * ntrs_ quotaon: Maybe create new quota files with quotacheck(8)?
1184965238 M * ntrs_ the aquota.user and aquota.group files already exist in /
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1184967440 M * ntrs_ is quota hash still required?
1184967453 M * ntrs_ for 2.2.0 and 2.6.19.X?
1184967841 M * daniel_hozac what do you mean?
1184967883 M * daniel_hozac the quota hash code isn't in 2.2.0 at all.
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