1183248346 Q * rgl_ Quit: Leaving
1183248716 N * onox onox`zZzZ
1183249576 J * gerrit ~gerrit@204.50.130.82
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1183250736 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-60-5.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1183252023 Q * cehteh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183254168 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org
1183254399 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving
1183255044 M * slack101 Bertl, feeliong sick again 
1183255058 M * Bertl how so?
1183255077 M * slack101 i dunno man 
1183255087 M * slack101 i be sitting here and my mouth feels all hot 
1183255097 M * slack101 stomach dont feel all to well
1183255104 M * Bertl make sure you got enough to drink
1183255115 M * Bertl (non alcoholic :)
1183255120 M * slack101 i drink so much water its not even funny 
1183255179 M * Bertl that's good, roughly 2l/day are suggested, if more then the better
1183255218 M * slack101 i have drunk like 5 bottles today so far 
1183255226 M * slack101 its miami if you dont drink water
1183255228 M * slack101 you die 
1183255274 M * slack101 not treally an option ;)
1183255274 M * Bertl well that's not just in miami so :)
1183255284 M * slack101 well yea i know 
1183255301 M * slack101 but the killerer heat does add to it 
1183256888 J * zul ~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183256888 Q * zul_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183256975 M * slack101 Bertl, was it you that said you could do something like run kernel once ?
1183256994 M * Bertl yep, among others ..
1183257014 M * slack101 do you know how to do it off hand ?
1183257020 M * slack101 i use lilo but i cant find anything on it 
1183257033 M * Bertl -R is the option, IIRC
1183257045 M * slack101 in lilo ?
1183257057 M * slack101 do you set it in the conf ?
1183257176 M * slack101 Bertl, people are telling me its not possible 
1183257180 M * Bertl man lilo
1183257183 M * Bertl http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/lilo
1183257215 M * Bertl (check the -R option)
1183257318 M * slack101 but what if the other kernel fails in the first place ?
1183257333 M * Bertl that is what panic=30 is for
1183258017 M * slack101 should i just go for it lol 
1183258022 M * slack101 and hope it works 
1183258380 J * zul_ ~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183258380 Q * zul Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183259597 M * slack101 where can i get  a default config ?
1183259606 M * Bertl for what?
1183259757 M * Supaplex mommy
1183259760 M * Supaplex ;)
1183259820 M * slack101 for the kernel
1183259842 M * slack101 cause i used the config for the older version of vserver and thats not working
1183259884 M * Supaplex use the .config from the one that works, and make oldconfig first.
1183259932 M * Bertl that's easy, 'make defconfig'
1183259945 M * Bertl that will make a default kernel config for any kernel
1183262176 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1183262181 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1183272528 Q * daniel_hozac Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183273945 Q * |pmenier| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1183274334 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1183275214 J * DavidS ~david@p548111D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1183277878 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCF36C.dip.t-dialin.net
1183278745 J * yarihm ~yarihm@c-76-102-6-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
1183279827 M * DavidS what is the best/easiest method to configure a vserver with a ip which cannot leave the host? e.g. for internal services
1183280537 M * phedny I have a localhost-only MySQL vserver with in interfaces/0/: lo > dev; 172.19.19.24 > ip; 24 > prefix
1183280564 M * phedny 172.19./16 is one of those non-routable private prefixes
1183280751 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183280791 M * DavidS ah .. so i have to bind it to lo... i was wondering, because i had tried it on a interface, but i still could ping to the outside (got a REJECT from the router)
1183284290 J * dna_ ~naucki@p54BCF36C.dip.t-dialin.net
1183284487 J * nkukard__ ~nkukard@dsl-240-112-57.telkomadsl.co.za
1183284697 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183284842 Q * _nkukard_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183287265 M * haxier DavidS: perhaps with a dummy0 network interface?
1183287578 M * haxier you have some info in the vsever mailing list and in http://seehuhn.de/pages/vserver
1183287906 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:5c0:85e2:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1183288724 J * yangvnc yang@yang.sponsor.oftc.net
1183288738 M * yangvnc Is it possible to run bind (udp) inside a guest?
1183288791 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@223.219-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be
1183289143 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1183289202 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183289216 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-112-218.pools.arcor-ip.net
1183289957 J * oxylin ~jpeeters@chv78-2-88-161-189-78.fbx.proxad.net
1183290408 Q * oxylin Quit: Ex-Chat
1183290464 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
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1183290846 J * starcode ~starcode@host-82-135-57-200.customer.m-online.net
1183291154 M * DavidS yangvnc: yes, it is
1183291203 M * starcode Hi all
1183291215 M * starcode I have a problem with secure-mount
1183291329 M * starcode It always mounts my nfs-shares with the mount option "nodev" unless if have the mount option "nolock" given... any idea why?
1183291384 M * starcode Currently my vserver fstab has the mount options "defaults,nolock,noatime"
1183291421 M * starcode But if I change this to "defaults,noatime" the "nodev" option is magically inserted by secure-mount
1183291439 M * starcode This is still the case if I use the mount options "defaults,noatime,dev"
1183291472 M * starcode Why does lock/nolock infuence dev/nodev?????
1183291509 M * starcode I
1183291528 M * starcode I'm running kernel 2.6.20.14-vs2.2.0 with 0.30.212 vserver utils
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1183295055 J * arachnist ~arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl
1183295059 Q * Piet Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183295179 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1183295583 N * onox`zZzZ onox
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1183296249 J * arachnist ~arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl
1183296254 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@223.219-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be
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1183299364 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1183300061 J * cryptronic ~oli@p549CCA38.dip.t-dialin.net
1183300064 Q * baldy Quit: leaving
1183300064 M * cryptronic hi all
1183300097 M * cryptronic is there a possibility to change a running vservers bcap's when using util vserver?
1183300330 M * slack101 bcpas cryptronic  ?
1183300334 M * slack101 bcaps ?
1183300355 M * sid3windr yes, bcaps
1183300370 M * sid3windr you as a virtualisation guru should know what they are, no? :)
1183300432 M * slack101 give me the full name ?
1183300432 Q * zul_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183300439 J * zul ~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183300455 M * slack101 i use a program called bcaps it control bandwiddth 
1183300456 M * slack101 ;)
1183300467 M * slack101 not sure if its the same thing is is talking about ;)
1183300532 M * slack101 ah
1183300533 M * slack101 i know 
1183300537 M * slack101 quick google
1183300558 M * slack101 http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Capabilities_and_Flags
1183300563 M * slack101 maybe this can help you cryptronic 
1183300635 M * slack101 sid3windr, also i just leave the default bcaps no reason to change anything yet ;)
1183300708 Q * bXi Remote host closed the connection
1183300874 M * cryptronic the problem is that i want to change them when vserver is running and when i make the files, then i have to restart the guest
1183300951 M * slack101 restart that big of an issue ?
1183301003 J * jordi ~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net
1183301063 M * jordi hello
1183301094 M * jordi I have a vserver that for some reason at times beconemes memory hungry
1183301110 M * jordi and has killed the host a few times
1183301117 M * jordi so, I tried to install a rss.hard limit
1183301150 M * slack101 jordi, might wanna take that up with Bertl_zZ 
1183301166 M * jordi I have a rlimits/rss.hard file with "200000" as contents
1183301177 M * jordi if I'm not mistaken that should cut it to 800megs.
1183301188 M * jordi I tried 1GB last night, died miserably
1183301202 M * jordi however
1183301207 M * jordi it's ignoring this limit
1183301209 M * jordi 49155  179   1.8G     1G  41m53s47   1m51s81   1h32m48 despertaferro
1183301223 M * jordi slack101: okay
1183301226 M * jordi anyone else have ideas?
1183301239 M * slack101 jordi, i am sure Bertl_zZ  will ;)
1183301248 M * jordi okay. :)
1183301259 M * jordi I'll stay in my silent spot ;)
1183301270 M * cryptronic slack101, i hate restarting guests
1183301283 M * slack101 gotta do what you gotta do :P
1183301301 M * jordi today I rescued this box from a 60+ load
1183301319 M * jordi after a very patient ssh session, 1 command every 15 minutes or so
1183301398 M * slack101 lol
1183301555 M * arachnist jordi: 60+? that's nothing
1183301587 M * arachnist i once left my system with 500+ load, hopefully oomkiller cleaned it up
1183301850 M * eyck- hmm, there are systems where 100+ load is normal
1183301953 M * arachnist well
1183301996 M * arachnist depending on a system/hardware, 16 can be too much and 150 can be still usable
1183302180 M * Guy- hey
1183302188 M * Guy- I have a number of vshelper processes sticking around
1183302191 M * Guy- is that normal?
1183302238 M * Guy- http://paste.linux-vserver.org/3138
1183302458 M * jordi I guess it's bad when the high load is caused by kswapd
1183303127 M * sid3windr very
1183303343 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1183303613 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCF36C.dip.t-dialin.net
1183304482 J * Mekansiz_Reis ~MT19483@85.99.13.161
1183304485 P * Mekansiz_Reis 
1183304663 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183305479 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3
1183307645 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk
1183308038 M * yangvnc Is it possible to run bind (udp) inside a guest?
1183308044 M * eyck- yes
1183308047 M * yangvnc Ime: Ines Jana Klasinc, Ljubljana
1183308047 M * yangvnc Nova Ljubljanska banka
1183308047 M * yangvnc TRR: 02010 2754954390
1183308051 M * yangvnc damn, sorry
1183308079 M * yangvnc I wanted to paste this bind error - http://paste.debian.net/31749
1183308177 M * FaUl ;-)
1183308673 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183308678 A * rgl waves
1183309824 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1183309830 M * Bertl morning folks!
1183309854 M * onox good morning
1183309860 M * onox are you still in the usa?
1183309922 M * Bertl no, why?
1183309940 M * onox because it is 9pm here in europe?
1183309945 M * onox err, 7pm
1183309965 M * eyck- who should I contact about updating link to vs1.2.11 on linux-vserver.org main page?
1183309986 M * Bertl onox: ever heard of BUT?
1183310007 M * FaUl eyck-: it's a wiki, so feel free to change it ;-)
1183310024 M * eyck- FaUl: that page is protected from editing
1183310029 M * eyck- i think..
1183310042 M * Bertl eyck-: are you registered?
1183310078 M * eyck- i do think so, I found a 3+ month old message in my spam box recently, saying that I'm about to get registered
1183310080 M * onox Bertl: no, what is it?
1183310095 M * Bertl onox: that's Bertl's Universal Timezone :)
1183310101 M * onox rofl
1183310106 M * FaUl eyck-: it isn't, you have to edit http://linux-vserver.org/Template:CurrentPatchTable
1183310151 M * eyck- the best is 'Universal Time'
1183310170 M * eyck- which, after some digging, I found to be +7h from me,
1183310190 M * eyck- or ~+7
1183310201 M * eyck- anyhoo, they've got it on Texas
1183310228 M * eyck- in
1183310327 M * onox UTC = gmt?
1183310331 M * sid3windr ack
1183310352 M * DavidS onox: mostly
1183310366 M * onox mostly, not always?
1183310397 M * DavidS onox: i believe there are some subtle differences like leapseconds or something like that .. you'll find details on wikipedia for sure, if you are interested
1183310559 M * FaUl eyck-: are you successfull with my hint? ;-)
1183310581 J * phedny_ ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1183310982 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183311000 M * eyck- FaUl: thanks, yes. it works.
1183311821 M * onox Bertl: what's the default root pass of a guest?
1183312114 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1183312394 M * slack101 wow
1183312411 M * slack101 Bertl, virtual box is way more hefty then vserver :P
1183312421 M * sid3windr ...
1183312442 M * slack101 vserver has no overhead compared to that 
1183312457 M * DavidS "it is also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License"  *lol*
1183312469 M * DavidS From http://www.virtualbox.org/
1183312564 M * onox vbox is dual-licensed
1183312601 M * sid3windr slack101: you just found that out?
1183312622 M * slack101 well its not that bad sid3windr 
1183312639 M * slack101 you cna run about 10 wndows vps on one machine with decent hardware
1183312698 M * Bertl and about 200 guests on a decent Linux-VServer machine :)
1183312744 M * slack101 yea i know 
1183312752 M * Bertl but yeah, we know that full system virtualization is more resource hungryy than lightweight isolation (which Linux-VServer does)
1183312771 M * slack101 is thier anything like vserver for windows ?
1183312803 M * yangvnc Bertl hello, could you tell me what is the reason of not working bind on my guest?
1183312809 M * Bertl slack101: not sure .. but IIRC, swsoft has virtuozzo for windows?
1183312813 M * yangvnc I wanted to paste this bind error - http://paste.debian.net/31749
1183312816 M * fb Bertl: is there a distro you suggest for a vserver host?
1183312821 M * slack101 Bertl, wtf?
1183312831 M * slack101 fb, he uses mandrivia 
1183312831 M * harry 19:57 < slack101> you cna run about 10 wndows vps on one machine with decent hardware
1183312834 M * harry 19:58 < Bertl> and about 200 guests on a decent Linux-VServer machine :)
1183312838 M * harry that's all extremely relative...
1183312846 M * harry if they are all idle, you're right
1183312864 M * slack101 i was talking about 10 idle 
1183312871 M * slack101 maybe mor e i dont know i ddint test
1183312878 M * slack101 someone  else told me that ;)
1183312916 M * Bertl yangvnc: seems you have a named already running on the host
1183312918 M * slack101 Bertl, but as you may see things .... windows virtualizaiotion wise for linux is getitng better 
1183312921 M * fb harry: full virtualization is much more resource-hungry than "just" a separation
1183312936 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1183312955 M * harry fb: true
1183312963 M * yangvnc Bertl: hmmm, yeah its a rented VPS, so it could be that its running on main (I don't know)
1183312968 M * harry but i have a server with 4 cpu's, 2 GB ram, running 10 vservers
1183312973 M * harry and that machine is "full"
1183312980 M * slack101 vservers ?
1183312987 M * harry yes
1183312992 M * slack101 what are they doing ?
1183312994 M * harry but they do run... a LOT!
1183313001 M * Bertl fb: no, all distros should be fine, FC seems well maintained and (very recent) debian too, ubuntu and centos are a bad choice as it seems
1183313004 M * fb harry: not that i try to hurry you ;) but did you gave a try to a ip6 patch?
1183313009 M * sid3windr containerization! :)
1183313024 M * onox Gentoo ftw!
1183313029 M * slack101 Bertl, who are you say say CentOS is better ?
1183313034 M * harry a listserver for a 40k people university, rewrite servers for emailadresses, webserver for 10.000 people, ftpserver, printserver, some java application for all the buildings in leuven etc etc...
1183313034 M * slack101 i cant belive that 
1183313044 M * Bertl yangvnc: you could try with strace -fF (that should get more info)
1183313045 M * slack101 Bertl, im jus kidding CentOS sucks really bad 
1183313047 M * harry fb: bloody hell i allmost forgot!
1183313048 M * slack101 its buggy
1183313056 M * harry not now... tomorrow, remind me again! :)
1183313091 M * slack101 harry, most vservers dont have that 
1183313093 M * fb no hurry, as i told you i can live with chroot-ed lighttpd in host
1183313116 M * sid3windr harry: 2G RAM isn't a lot for a quadcpu box
1183313121 M * sid3windr esp with 10 vservers
1183313127 M * fb and first, i need to get ip6 addresses 
1183313131 M * yangvnc Bertl: strace -fF /etc/init.d/bind start > output ?
1183313135 M * sid3windr (... says someone with a dual quadcore with 2G)
1183313166 M * Bertl yangvnc: nah, better put the strace in the startup script, where bind is actually started
1183313178 M * Bertl yangvnc: otherwise we get tons of bash/script trace
1183313205 M * Bertl yangvnc: and you can use -o bind.trace
1183313299 M * fb looking through the backlog, it seems i'm the last one who prefer bind and sendmail over other alternatives ;)
1183313300 M * yangvnc Bertl: you got me here now....putting it into which script init.d ? ... I wouldn't know how to modify that.
1183313306 M * harry fb: i'm working on it ;)
1183313320 M * Bertl yangvnc: vi /etc/init.d/bind :)
1183313333 M * onox sendmail? no postfix?
1183313342 Q * phedny_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183313402 M * fb onox: i did a research lately and it seems the only real alternative might be an exim
1183313442 M * yangvnc Bertl: http://paste.debian.net/31769 (init.d bind script)
1183313470 M * meandtheshell what do I do if I've say a machine with more then 64GB RAM? make menuconfig let's me only choose between 
1183313470 M * meandtheshell - off
1183313470 M * meandtheshell - 4GB and
1183313470 M * meandtheshell - 64GB
1183313503 M * slack101 i dont get OS virtulization works for windows
1183313635 M * onox fb: postfix is sendmail-compatible?
1183313636 M * arachnist meandtheshell: you can't get an x86 with >64GB of ram
1183313663 M * arachnist meandtheshell: and for anything above 4GB you need to use PAE which is a little slow
1183313680 M * meandtheshell x86-64
1183313689 M * Bertl yangvnc: /usr/sbin/named  (after the start-stop-daemon)
1183313707 M * arachnist meandtheshell: is the kernel amd64?
1183313723 M * Bertl meandtheshell: usually those machines are NUMA?
1183313748 M * Bertl meandtheshell: and you shouldn't get that option with a 64bit kernel
1183313767 M * meandtheshell that's all a hypothetical question - I don't have a 64GB machine around
1183313789 M * meandtheshell Bertl: why not - there is hardware that supports more than 64GB
1183313792 M * Bertl well, on x86_64 (64bit) you are usually limited to 2^36 or 2^48
1183313820 M * meandtheshell http://www.deltacomputer.de/produkte/cluster/D80z-I3.shtml
1183313841 M * Bertl (the 2^36 machines cannot handle more than 64GB, the 2^48 machines can handle 256TB :)
1183313865 M * meandtheshell yeah - 256TB sounds sane ;-]
1183313874 M * Bertl meandtheshell: but as I said, you will not get this option on x86_64
1183313899 M * Bertl (it is basically a 32bit x86 option)
1183313920 M * arachnist Bertl: physical 2^36 on intel cpus, physical 2^40 on amd, 2^48 virtual on both
1183313954 M * meandtheshell why not - I don't understand, if I take for example the server above that can handle 256GB RAM you're telling me Linux doesn't support that 
1183313958 A * meandtheshell confused
1183313981 M * arachnist meandtheshell: it's not supported on hardware level
1183313998 M * meandtheshell arachnist: can you elaborate that please? 
1183314066 M * arachnist i mean that you'll run out of address space of your cpu which is bad usually, 'cause if you're lucky, it'll simply not see the extra memory, and if you're not lucky, it won't boot at all
1183314164 M * arachnist imagine telling a dog to fetch a whole tree instead of just the stick you threw
1183314169 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F80C.dip.t-dialin.net
1183314220 M * arachnist now you understand?
1183314280 M * slack101 would be stupid to use virtual box actually
1183314287 M * onox ???
1183314288 M * slack101 why do people use that thing
1183314293 M * arachnist slack101: ?
1183314296 M * onox slack101: yesterday you praised vbox
1183314299 M * meandtheshell Bertl: well, yes that server is a NUMA system so (256GB/number_cpu's) < 2^36 gibibyte RAM - yes?
1183314299 M * slack101 yes
1183314310 M * slack101 well its the best for what it offers if your looking for that
1183314316 M * yangvnc Bertl: if this strace output makes any sense to you - http://paste.debian.net/31771 ?
1183314320 M * slack101 but as Bertl  there is virtuzzzo
1183314328 M * meandtheshell arachnist: no, your dog story is confusing
1183314334 M * meandtheshell ;)
1183314339 M * slack101 and it looks it iwll do better for my windows servers 
1183314341 M * arachnist virtuozzo? openvz?
1183314348 M * slack101 not the same 
1183314382 M * onox hmm, net-snmp's testsuite fails completely inside a guest
1183314408 M * arachnist 'OpenVZ is the basis of the Virtuozzo™ — a commercial virtualization solution offered by SWsoft.'
1183314418 M * arachnist really not the same?
1183314443 M * meandtheshell s/gibi//
1183314461 M * sid3windr lol
1183314633 M * slack101 ok
1183314635 M * slack101 yea
1183314637 M * rgl http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/Linux-VServer  *G*
1183314641 M * slack101 OPENVZ supports windows tooo
1183314646 M * slack101 oh nope guess what it doesnt
1183314649 M * slack101 but virtuzzo does 
1183314661 M * slack101 maybe they used magic :D
1183314670 M * rgl slack101, have you tried openvz?
1183314680 M * slack101 no but it does not support windows 
1183314742 Q * cehteh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183314767 M * onox still don't understand why not to use vbox
1183314771 M * onox phreak``: alive?
1183314773 M * meandtheshell arachnist: so a x86_64 intel cpu does only support 2^36 whereas a x86_64 AMD cpu supports up to 2^40 byte of physical address space?
1183314775 M * onox yes, I know you are alive
1183314813 M * meandtheshell or did I understand wrong what you said above?
1183314822 M * rgl meandtheshell, "only"?  you got a setup that requires "only" that? :)
1183314840 M * onox phreak``?
1183314851 M * meandtheshell rgl: as I said, it's hypothetical - I want to know
1183314885 M * sid3windr wikipedia will know :p
1183314913 M * slack101 onox, cause you cna use virtuzzoo 
1183314914 M * harry fb: try this one: http://people.linuxpvserver.org/~harry/ipv6/ipv6-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3-grsec2.1.10-20070628.diff
1183314919 M * arachnist meandtheshell: yes
1183314945 M * onox slack101: virtuozzo, is like... proprietary?
1183314955 M * meandtheshell arachnist: I see, well that's strange ... also that both are x86_64
1183314964 M * meandtheshell how come?
1183314967 M * arachnist meandtheshell: there are some differences
1183314975 M * meandtheshell arachnist: sure ... 
1183314980 M * matti Hi harry 
1183315022 M * arachnist meandtheshell: wouldn't be much surprised if intel tried to cripple x86_64 a little, because it wasn't their
1183315027 M * harry fb: haven't tested it yet, since i don't have ipv6 stuff/experience
1183315034 M * slack101 onox, only os virtualization that support windows 
1183315092 M * Bertl slack101: virtuozzo(tm) is a proprietary solution, which costs quite a lot
1183315094 M * sid3windr so not virtualization
1183315094 M * matti Eh.
1183315116 M * matti Hi Bertl 
1183315127 M * Bertl slack101: last time I heard something like a few hundred bucks per cpu and month :)
1183315201 M * matti And it is not that great.
1183315215 M * meandtheshell well, is there any know guy who runs a NUMA system with Linux-VServer ?
1183315244 M * matti meandtheshell: What do you want?
1183315275 M * meandtheshell matti: you do? What arch is this?
1183315285 M * meandtheshell what config with regards to RAM
1183315307 A * harry off now... cya'll later!
1183315314 M * harry in a few hours or so
1183315379 M * matti meandtheshell: I don't understand.
1183315413 M * Bertl meandtheshell: all newer AMD systems are NUMA?
1183315439 M * arachnist Bertl: all x86_64 from amd should be NUMA-capable
1183315450 M * phreak`` onox: kinda
1183315451 M * arachnist Bertl: at least dualcore and opterons
1183315453 M * matti Intel Core 2 Duo AFAIK as well.
1183315460 M * arachnist matti: only the newer ones
1183315465 M * matti I see.
1183315483 M * arachnist at least that's what help in menuconfig says about intel and numa
1183315490 M * meandtheshell arachnist: yes ccNUMA that is - cc as cache coherent
1183315529 M * meandtheshell Bertl: I am not sure if all AMD Systems are NUMA? Are they?
1183315550 M * sid3windr numa numa yay, numa numa numa yay
1183315566 M * Bertl yangvnc: now checking your strace ...
1183315594 M * onox phreak``: util-vserver-svn's vunify-test fails
1183315606 M * matti sid3windr: Heh, you didn't take your medicine.
1183315608 M * onox util-vserver[-svn]
1183315609 M * matti sid3windr: :(
1183315640 M * sid3windr you know dragostea din tei right? :P
1183315641 M * matti meandtheshell: Opterons are NUMA for sure.
1183315646 M * Bertl yangvnc: seems like an older kernel and your bind is compiled with capability support (which doesn't work)
1183315661 M * matti meandtheshell: I am not sure about desktop K7 and K8 CPUs.
1183315669 M * matti sid3windr: Nah.
1183315673 M * phreak`` onox: -> Hollow / daniel_hozac :)
1183315674 M * Bertl yangvnc: I would suggest recompiling bind with --disable-linux-caps (or whatever the option is called)
1183315677 M * phreak`` I don't do svn :-P
1183315679 M * sid3windr matti: ok!
1183315684 M * meandtheshell matti: same here ... opterons I am sure about
1183315692 M * arachnist k7 (which are pre-amd64) don't support numa
1183315692 M * matti sid3windr: This one, which suppose to suppress your mental disorder :)
1183315692 M * onox phreak``: normal util-vserver too
1183315701 M * sid3windr http://youtube.com/watch?v=RwVxrIO_A9s \o/
1183315714 M * sid3windr matti: which one of the 42 ?
1183315721 M * Hollow pong?
1183315724 M * onox it complains about some directory, looks pretty gentoo specific
1183315727 M * rgl what is /prov/virtnet on the host?
1183315735 M * arachnist and as for desktop amd64 cpu's and numa... well, i have a numa-enabled kernel right now, and it works fine
1183315749 M * arachnist and i have amd64 x2 4200+, on socket am2
1183315750 M * meandtheshell I see - what cpu?
1183315750 M * matti arachnist: And NUMA is supported?
1183315754 M * meandtheshell ok
1183315766 M * matti I've C2D with NUMA.
1183315771 M * matti And it works as well.
1183315775 M * arachnist matti: dunno if it would boot if it wouldn't be supported
1183315794 M * matti Good point.
1183315910 M * matti arachnist: Anyway - you've >= 4 GB of memory?
1183315915 M * arachnist nope
1183315917 M * arachnist 2GB
1183315928 M * matti So, what do you need NUMA anyway?
1183315937 M * matti s/what/why/
1183315937 M * arachnist i just forgot to turn it off ;P
1183315944 M * matti LOL
1183315954 M * arachnist it was enabled by default ;P
1183315960 M * arachnist and i was in little hurry
1183315969 M * matti :)
1183316636 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-051472d5.08-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1183316642 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1183316794 M * rgl what is /prov/virtnet/ that is present on the host?
1183316813 M * daniel_hozac it contains information about the network contexts.
1183316822 M * onox Hollow!
1183316828 M * Hollow onox!
1183316834 M * onox we need to fix this vunify-test failure bug on gentoo
1183316855 M * Hollow i don't fix testsuites
1183316859 M * onox why not?
1183316875 M * Hollow because i would fix testsuites all day long
1183316883 M * onox no no, it's just 1 test
1183316892 M * Hollow do you have a patch?
1183316893 M * onox related to image dir
1183316893 M * slack101 Bertl, doesnt windows itself supply some kind of virtual servers ?
1183316923 M * Bertl slack101: how would I know?
1183316940 M * slack101 well you seem to be up on some stuff so i thought i would ask
1183316952 M * Bertl slack101: check out #windows(tm) :)
1183316965 M * Hollow hehe
1183317140 M * sid3windr slack101: I thought _you_ were the virtualisation expert? :p
1183317152 M * sid3windr but no, windows doesn't have that
1183317413 M * slack101 im sure its got something ;)
1183317426 M * slack101 sid3windr, im the expert of what i know ;) 
1183317448 M * slack101 but hey i like how you comment everytime i ask a question ...... makes me feel special 
1183317576 M * slack101 ive always said the only thing vserver needs is money 
1183317577 M * slack101 ;)
1183318085 M * slack101 Bertl, you ever going to charge for linux vserver ?
1183318246 M * lylix $1/question
1183318281 M * onox the $1 per question?
1183318350 M * slack101 i would make a OSS version and a paid version 
1183318361 M * lylix haha... pre-paid live support
1183318513 M * Bertl slack101: okay, for you, USD 20 for each month and cpu :)
1183318535 M * slack101 i wouldnt mind 
1183318554 M * slack101 i am looking at all solutions 
1183318718 M * sid3windr :)
1183318722 M * sid3windr bertl++
1183318763 M * slack101 for instance 
1183318783 M * slack101 people always rant and rave how linux is free .............but the people are getting paid 
1183318790 M * slack101 has anyone saw Linus's house 
1183318792 M * slack101 ;)
1183318882 M * daniel_hozac you realize free refers to freedom, right?
1183318944 M * slack101 no they think all these people do this for thier god given time and devote to thier to the free world 
1183318961 M * slack101 a dream of communisim in use but its not like that 
1183318964 M * sid3windr [01|21:39:42] < slack101> people always rant and rave how linux is free .............but the people are getting paid
1183318970 M * sid3windr that's good, they're getting paid and I can use it for free
1183318975 M * sid3windr my hardware costs me enough already :p
1183318984 M * sid3windr (speaking of myself personally, not my company)
1183318987 M * slack101 thats fine '
1183318990 M * slack101 but
1183319022 M * slack101 if linux vserver ever wanted to compete with the big boys ...... Bertl  would have to get some major oney coming through pay people to program etc etc 
1183319032 M * slack101 i never said ditch an OSS version 
1183319045 M * slack101 but since people use this to make money ......why not make money 
1183319143 M * sid3windr emm
1183319156 M * sid3windr what is vserver missing that you think an army of coders is needed to bring it up to commercial speed?
1183319169 M * slack101 look at irtuzzo 
1183319170 M * slack101 typo
1183319172 M * slack101 vir
1183319716 M * slack101 Bertl, just something to think about 
1183319733 M * slack101 i cant imagine working so hard and not getting paid my fair amount when people use the software i create to make millions 
1183319764 M * daniel_hozac and what would your suggestion be for a business model?
1183319776 M * Bertl slack101: I'm fine with that ... probably something which separates us :)
1183319778 M * meandtheshell slack101: you seem to live in the past - even MS says in the future they will make money with support not with selling programs
1183319786 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1183319826 M * slack101 ok yea
1183319834 M * slack101 when Windows is FREE let me know 
1183319859 M * slack101 yea sure your paying 100.00 not for windows its for the support
1183319864 M * slack101 whatever they are getting money 
1183319871 M * meandtheshell I can't - I will probably be the last human on earth to recognize that :)
1183319896 M * slack101 stupidest thing i ever heard meandtheshell 
1183319908 M * slack101 windows is going ot be free << lol
1183319926 M * slack101 Linux is free becasue theres SOOO many people who donate 
1183319932 M * daniel_hozac you're the only one who has said that...
1183319962 M * meandtheshell slack101: ok - you're free to think whatever you want to ...
1183319966 M * Bertl slack101: looks like you are getting more than off-topic ... please focus, this channel is about Linux-VServer :)
1183319976 M * slack101 sure
1183319993 M * slack101 i gotto goto the mall anyways 
1183320011 M * slack101 but yea im sure to goto the mall to pick up my free copy of vista 
1183320015 M * slack101 :D
1183320020 M * meandtheshell slack101: sure, don't forget to buy MS support :-]
1183320062 M * slack101 Bertl, if you had 2 million dollars would 10,000 be a big expense for you ?
1183320133 M * meandtheshell slack101: if you had 20 fingers could you write more code?
1183320147 M * Bertl slack101: depends on what I'd spend it for :)
1183320168 M * slack101 of course it wouldnt ....... so all im saying is since people make millions using it anyways you yourself culd benefit and it would give you more resources to make vserver better 
1183320175 M * slack101 in the end everyone is happy 
1183320197 M * Bertl feel free to donate quite a lot in the future :)
1183320210 M * slack101 im a nice guy so of course 
1183320211 M * slack101 but 
1183320217 M * slack101 well blah nevermind
1183320220 M * Bertl it will definitely improve the project
1183320228 M * slack101 there you said it !!!!
1183320235 M * slack101 money will improve the project
1183320252 M * slack101 money is not always an evil thing 
1183320257 M * slack101 if used right its great 
1183320307 M * daniel_hozac so?
1183320311 M * slack101 Bertl, you could still idle on #vserver 24 hours a day .........you would just have alot of money to tell people hey do this do that 
1183320330 M * slack101 Bertl, and of course you could have beach houses in miami and huge spanish influenced homes 
1183320382 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/3138 - is this normal? 
1183320385 M * slack101 maybe it was just i was grown up hard :D
1183320393 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: the vshelper processes have been sitting around for days
1183320422 M * slack101 the USA is a beautiful place if you have money but if you dont it will for sure incline you to make some .......the government is not as money friednly as europes 
1183320487 M * daniel_hozac Guy-: certainly doesn't look right.
1183320505 M * daniel_hozac i didn't think that code was in the utils yet though...
1183320527 M * FaUl i think vserver is as god as it is because it's not millions of dollars that create this project but people who like what they create
1183320527 M * daniel_hozac oh wait, yes it is.
1183320567 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: yes it is in the utils or yes it is normal? :)
1183320642 M * daniel_hozac it's in the utils.
1183320647 M * daniel_hozac it's definitely not normal.
1183320684 M * Guy- is it safe to kill them?
1183320698 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1183320713 M * daniel_hozac do you get it consistently?
1183320724 M * daniel_hozac i.e. for each reboot/halt -f issued inside the guest?
1183320731 M * Guy- I think so, yes
1183320739 M * daniel_hozac okay, good.
1183320798 M * daniel_hozac edit <libdir>/vshelper, add --debug to the spawn $_VSERVER ... restart/stop lines.
1183320832 M * daniel_hozac then touch /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vshelper/logfile (creating directories if necessary)
1183320909 M * Guy- done
1183320940 M * Guy- I'll play with it later and see what is logged
1183320941 M * Guy- thanks
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1183320959 M * daniel_hozac thank you. you're the one doing the work ;)
1183320969 M * onox 22:02 < meandtheshell> slack101: if you had 20 fingers could you write more code? <-- no, it takes significant more time to think about what code to write than the time it takes to write the code itself
1183320985 M * onox at least, that's my opinion :)
1183321004 M * slack101 i didnt say that he did 
1183321005 M * FaUl i think it would be better to have 20 brains instead ;-)
1183321012 M * onox lol :)
1183321023 M * slack101 yes resources as i said above 
1183321053 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: but you're the one telling me how :) both parts are important :)
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1183321082 M * FaUl slack101: but i don't think that throwing a lot of money on some project would help makeing it significantly  better
1183321102 M * meandtheshell whatever, soon there will be monkeys writing our OSes since genetics evolves like hell these days
1183321116 M * daniel_hozac oo, i want code monkeys!
1183321121 M * onox lol :D
1183321124 M * meandtheshell monkeys don't take money just bananas
1183321137 M * onox rofl
1183321145 M * meandtheshell slack101: as you see - FOSS don't need money but bananas
1183321178 M * DavidS I'll be convinced of monkeys as coders only after they have written one of shakespear's works ;)
1183321300 A * meandtheshell plants a banana tree in his garden ... just in case
1183321416 M * slack101 i think so
1183321421 M * slack101 FaUl, i thin kso alot
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1183322617 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org
1183323097 M * rgl I've been using this munin plugin http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-vserver/people/holger/munin-plugins/plugins/vserver_cpu_?op=file to monitor the vservers, but it now cannot extract the guest name because its using this: cat /proc/virtual/$i/cvirt |grep NodeName   but cvirt no longer contains the NodeName... what is the alternative?  calling vserver-stat ?
1183323132 M * daniel_hozac vserver-info would've been the right way all along.
1183323234 M * rgl daniel_hozac, like: vserver-info 20 NAME
1183323235 M * rgl ?
1183323240 M * rgl which returns nothing?
1183323271 M * rgl or vserver-info 20 ID ?
1183323312 M * daniel_hozac i guess, if the nodename is what you really want (and not the guest's name), you might try vuname as well...
1183323353 M * rgl what NAME should have returned?
1183323387 M * daniel_hozac ID would've been my first try.
1183323420 M * daniel_hozac NAME returns the name of the guest.
1183323437 M * daniel_hozac the argument is e.g. a path to a configuration directory though.
1183323530 M * rgl ah, it receives a path. ok.   but the ID is good enought for this plugin.  thx :)
1183324143 M * rgl is there a way to list the running vservers using vserver-info ?
1183324163 M * daniel_hozac that's what vserver-stat is for...
1183324205 M * rgl oh ok hehe
1183324272 M * rgl humm, but the vserver-info 20 NAME is borked (no output).
1183324304 M * daniel_hozac because NAME takes a path to a configuration directory...
1183324310 M * daniel_hozac ID is what you want, as i said
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1183324406 M * rgl oh sorry.  my bad.  :-(
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1183324495 M * rgl daniel_hozac, still vserver-info 20 NAME /etc/vservers/ocelot return nothing.
1183324509 M * daniel_hozac vserver-info /etc/vservers/ocelot NAME...
1183324551 M * rgl jeebus.  I'm failing every attempt to use vserver-info! omg!
1183324619 M * rgl vserver-info /etc/vservers/ocelot XID  should return anything?
1183324635 M * rgl (anything other than 0)
1183324708 M * daniel_hozac XID takes a pid and returns the xid of that process.
1183324783 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-220-241.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
1183324871 M * rgl ah thank you.
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