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1183164342 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-77-198.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr
1183164446 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183169480 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving
1183173564 J * yarihm ~yarihm@c-76-102-6-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
1183173686 M * Supaplex slack101: hey slacker, wassup
1183173707 M * slack101 what it do
1183173751 M * Supaplex bad stuff
1183179927 Q * rgl_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183182341 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1183182347 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1183187833 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183188569 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.102.189
1183190143 J * oxylin ~jpeeters@chv78-2-88-161-189-78.fbx.proxad.net
1183190153 M * oxylin Hi everybody
1183190160 M * arachnist hi
1183190272 M * oxylin I've a question, I have to recompile a kernel to be compatible with vserver. It would be a 2.6.18-5. I saw the patch version would be 2.1.1.3. Is it compatible with the util-vserver version 0.30.212 
1183190273 M * oxylin ?
1183190300 M * oxylin I saw that there a changement... with utilisation of "context" but I don't know what it means
1183190435 M * oxylin nobody have any idea?
1183190444 M * rgl I dunno sorry.  but why can't you use a recent kernel?
1183190492 M * oxylin because I use debian etch and util vserver package for it does not support the version 2.2.0 of the patch
1183190536 M * rgl rebuild util-vserver too?
1183190584 M * oxylin I can use a newer kernel but it give erros with ncontext: invalid argument..... because utilisation of context is deaprecated in newer versions
1183190602 M * oxylin rgl, my-be it was a solution...
1183190624 M * oxylin but i'm not expert in debian package building
1183190655 M * rgl you don't have to be one ;-)
1183190715 M * rgl I'm using ubuntu.  nad forbuilding util-vserver, I just did: dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/util-vserver/util-vserver_0.30.213-1.dsc
1183190730 M * rgl and the normal dpkg-buildpackage.
1183190778 M * rgl and for the kernel, just the normal build without the aid of a debian/ubuntu package.
1183190795 M * oxylin how... so...
1183190813 M * oxylin Do you have any link about dpkg-buildpackage?
1183190856 M * rgl lemme paste how I did the util-vserver build somewhere.
1183191135 M * rgl oxylin, see here http://paste.linux-vserver.org/3002
1183191162 M * rgl oxylin, please not that was on ubuntu... on debian it might be a little diferent (but I doubt)
1183191168 M * rgl err s,not,note,
1183191796 J * stan ~stan@78.32.135.146
1183192030 M * matti Hello IT!
1183192031 M * matti ;p
1183192072 M * oxylin ;)
1183192181 M * oxylin what's dietlibc ?
1183192378 M * rgl apt-cache show dietlibc
1183192394 M * rgl learn to use debian package tools :-)
1183192427 M * rgl actually, its: apt-cache show dietlibc-dev    *G*
1183192443 M * oxylin yes, I know that command, but I'm a bit tired this morning...
1183192458 M * oxylin why dietlibc from package is not good?
1183192502 M * rgl I'm not sure.  I just known that if you use it, the vserver utils crash and burn.
1183192517 M * oxylin lol ok... a good argument as well
1183192749 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCDEA3.dip.t-dialin.net
1183193058 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1183193441 J * cedric ~cedric@rny93-2-82-66-66-30.fbx.proxad.net
1183195688 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183196348 Q * oxylin Quit: Ex-Chat
1183196602 M * stan does "vserver name start" background itself? mine doesn't seem to
1183198227 M * rgl stan, it should start the vserver, then return to the shell.
1183198245 M * rgl (after its started)
1183198252 M * rgl (after its running...)
1183200362 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183203218 J * zul_ ~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183203218 Q * zul Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183204071 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183205558 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1183205598 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1183206050 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1183206882 J * Daniel15 ~daniel@60.241.80.44
1183206941 M * Daniel15 Anyone know if there's a tool similar to vps, except for netstat?
1183206948 M * Daniel15 (ie. show all open ports across all vservers)?
1183207520 M * Guy- hi
1183207526 M * Guy- I'd like to run xfs_growfs in a guest
1183207536 M * Guy- what capability would the guest need?
1183207536 M * Guy- ioctl(3, 0x400c586e, 0xfffdaec4)        = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
1183207549 M * Guy- xfs_growfs: XFS_IOC_FSGROWFSDATA xfsctl failed: Invalid argument
1183207558 M * Guy- also xfs_growfs: XFS_IOC_FSGEOMETRY xfsctl failed: Invalid argument
1183207570 M * Guy- this is with vattribute --set --xid 23 --bcap SYS_RAWIO --bcap SYS_ADMIN --bcap SETPCAP --ccap ADMIN_MAPPER --ccap QUOTA_CTL
1183208492 Q * ktwilight_ Remote host closed the connection
1183208858 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-119-163.pools.arcor-ip.net
1183209541 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@250.68-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1183210490 M * eyck- Daniel15: chcontext --ctx 1 netstat -alpn
1183210513 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183210600 M * Daniel15 Thanks eyck- :)
1183210748 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1183210939 Q * Daniel15 Quit: Going to bed
1183211109 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1183211288 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1183211295 M * Bertl morning folks!
1183211900 M * cedric afternoon Bertl
1183212472 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1183212636 N * DoberMann DoberMann[APWAL]
1183213797 N * DoberMann[APWAL] DoberMann
1183214462 J * quasisane ~sanep@c-75-67-252-184.hsd1.nh.comcast.net
1183214608 N * onox`zZzZ onox
1183214699 M * Bertl welcome quasisane!
1183214758 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:5c0:85e2:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1183214783 Q * coderanger Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183214800 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1183214972 J * coderanger ~coderange@c-65-96-210-168.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
1183215433 M * Bertl wb coderanger!
1183215441 M * Bertl hey bonbons!
1183215447 Q * stan Remote host closed the connection
1183215587 M * bonbons Hey Bertl!
1183215735 M * Bertl does anybody know why bind (nameserver) binds each ip separately instead of using IP_ADDR_ANY?
1183215749 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-24-227.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr
1183215763 M * Bertl (and can this behaviour be mended somehow?)
1183215847 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183215913 M * bonbons Bertl: did you try to "limit" bind to listen to 0.0.0.0?
1183215933 M * bonbons if I remember well you can set all its listening sources...
1183215938 M * Bertl no, I used the suggested 'any' for now
1183215954 M * Bertl which seems to be messed up like the rest of bind :)
1183216017 M * Bertl it even seems that is intentional ...
1183216023 M * Bertl  ... When { any; } is specified as the address_match_list for the listen-on-v6 option, the server does not bind a separate socket to each IPv6 interface address as it does for IPv4
1183216042 M * Bertl let's try with 0.0.0.0 :)
1183216173 M * Bertl 0.0.0.0 gives (how smart :) not listening on any interfaces
1183216376 J * fb ~fback@red.fback.net
1183216383 M * Bertl wb fb!
1183216400 M * fb hello Bertl 
1183216463 J * JoeJumbo ~satan@85.138.105.30
1183216471 M * Bertl wb JoeJumbo! :)
1183216479 M * JoeJumbo hello
1183217881 Q * arekm Quit: leaving
1183218535 M * baldy is for vs2.2.0-rc3 already a ipv6 patch out?
1183218613 M * Bertl you mean for the 2.6.21/22 kernels?
1183218621 M * baldy yep
1183218865 M * baldy mh for 2.6.20.4 is the lates v6 patch
1183219386 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183219903 M * baldy Bertl: is there any spezial need to configure the ip remapping?
1183219922 M * baldy or will it work by default?
1183220286 J * adrien-modulis ~adrien@modemcable082.209-201-24.mc.videotron.ca
1183220304 M * adrien-modulis hi everyone !
1183220461 M * Bertl baldy: which one?
1183220473 M * Bertl wb adrien-modulis!
1183220496 M * adrien-modulis Hi Bertl
1183220508 M * adrien-modulis so what's new with vserver ?
1183220848 M * Bertl we have a new branch, maybe a new stable release since you last checked? :)
1183222684 M * slack101 how is everyone 
1183222684 M * slack101 anyone here ever been to london ?
1183222708 M * rgl you guys known how to read the Chassis Intrusion Detect switch that the PC have to detect when you open the box?
1183222753 M * Bertl rgl: maybe #hardware :)
1183222771 M * Bertl rgl: actually, your hardware sensor chip should know ...
1183222793 M * rgl Bertl, you are such a spoiler heheh
1183222839 M * rgl Bertl, it knowns, and stops the PC from booting and all.  but, if you open the box while its running, you never known until you reboot hehe
1183222860 M * Bertl rgl: no, with lm_sensors, you should know immediately
1183222870 M * rgl Bertl, there i no #hardware :P
1183222881 Q * Blissex Read error: Connection reset by peer
1183222887 M * Bertl rgl: you actually tried?
1183222925 M * rgl Bertl, humm, I use lmsensors, but didn't see nothing about that particular sensor. I'll look harder *G*
1183222936 M * rgl Bertl, I'm there on #hardware :P
1183222992 M * Guy- Bertl: is there actually a compelling reason to use BIND, the Buggy Internet Name Daemon? :)
1183223066 M * rgl Guy-, you find bind9 buggy?
1183223068 M * Bertl Guy-: well, good alternatives?
1183223119 M * Guy- Bertl: for some values of 'good', djbdns fits the bill
1183223142 M * Guy- rgl: it has some features I don't particularly like, certainly
1183223161 M * Bertl Guy-: universe mismatch :)
1183223186 M * rgl Guy-, share your stresses with us :-)
1183223219 M * Bertl i.e. I prefer software which conforms to the RFCs and works in this universe, not the DJB one :)
1183223248 M * Guy- Bertl: for a caching recursive resolver, dnscache from djbdns beats BIND hands down; for authoritative service, the only issue with tinydns is that it doesn't honour NOTIFY messages
1183223251 M * slack101 theres 4.2 million cctv cams in london holy crap
1183223253 M * Bertl but granted, bind seems to get worse and worse (or maybe it was always that bad)
1183223268 M * Guy- Bertl: do you know of a specific RFC djbdns is violating or was that just a blanket statmenet? :)
1183223299 M * Bertl Guy-: just a general statement, I haven't looked too much into djbdns yet
1183223327 M * Guy- rgl: for example, I think AXFR sucks; and also I think trying to keep the authoritative DNS database in memory is a bad idea of several reasons
1183223359 M * Guy- Bertl: while I think DJB is an ogre, he _does_ take a close look at the standards before implementing something
1183223393 M * Guy- Bertl: and I like the way his software adheres to the KISS principle
1183223424 M * Guy- Bertl: it's probably fine to say that he's an arrogant son of a b*, but the thing about RFC violations... I don't know
1183223447 M * Bertl I know his interpretations from email
1183223456 M * Guy- Bertl: it's just that the ISC folks don't like him much, which is reciprocal and understandable (both ways)
1183223485 M * Bertl i.e. qmail is definitely violating some RFCs
1183223510 M * Guy- Bertl: which ones? I'm really interested
1183223533 M * Guy- qmail as distributed by DJB is unusable by now, but with the right set of patches, it works very well
1183223568 M * Guy- and I'm not aware of any RFC violations (just quirks where qmail is more lenient with the client, i.e. it doesn't actually enforce an RFC restriction)
1183223590 M * Guy- in other words, it allows the client to violate the RFC
1183223730 M * rgl Guy-, why not keeping it on mem?
1183223741 M * rgl Bertl, you also have powerdns.
1183223792 M * Guy- rgl: because this means long startup times, the need to restart when the database changes, and because the OS cache can keep often-accessed stuff in memory on its own, why reimplement this at the application level?
1183223871 M * Guy- rgl: tinydns has an RSS of about 350k, and I don't need to restart it, ever :)
1183223953 M * rgl Guy-, humm, I never benchmark either one.  but some say bind is way faster than tinydns/dnscache :|
1183223984 M * rgl Guy-, maybe they are wrong.  like the say: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. *G*
1183224020 M * Guy- rgl: I'm sure it's possible to create a benchmark where BIND comes out on top, and a different one where djbdns performs better
1183224041 M * Guy- rgl: for me, this isn't about raw performance of the DNS server, it's about design, stability, robustness, usability...
1183224079 M * rgl Guy-, sure :)    but I'm with you.  the startup time of bind kinda sux.
1183224189 M * rgl Bertl, but there is a nice #hardware on FreeNode :)
1183224580 J * rgl_ ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183224833 Q * adrien-modulis Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183224888 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183225205 M * Guy- is /etc/vservers/foo/fstab used during 'vserver foo stop'?
1183225276 M * daniel_hozac only if you're not using namespaces, IIRC.
1183225458 M * rgl_ are namespaces used by default?
1183225464 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1183225613 M * Guy- I didn't even realize it was possible not to use them
1183225650 M * daniel_hozac there's really no reason to disable it.
1183225819 M * daniel_hozac as for DNS servers, i must say i'm quite happy with powerdns.
1183226180 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4D4D0.dip.t-dialin.net
1183226500 M * Guy- I also heard it was OK
1183227519 M * transacid is 2.6.20.14 really the latest for vs2.2.0?
1183227610 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1183227621 M * transacid ok thanks
1183227623 M * daniel_hozac there's 2.2.0-rc3 for 2.6.21.5.
1183227644 M * transacid but the rc was borken
1183227654 M * transacid afair
1183227698 M * daniel_hozac hmm, -rc3 should be fine.
1183227699 M * transacid or was is -rc2
1183227705 M * transacid *confuseD*
1183227708 M * daniel_hozac there never was an -rc2 :)
1183227768 M * transacid hmm then -rc1
1183227797 M * daniel_hozac yes, -rc1 had a problem or two.
1183227797 M * transacid however, i remember talking to Bertl and he said there was a bug in one of the -rc versions
1183227801 M * transacid ah ok
1183227809 M * transacid thanks daniel_hozac 
1183227811 M * daniel_hozac that's why there is an -rc3 ;)
1183227848 M * transacid but then i dun understand why there is an rc at all when the final is out already
1183227869 M * daniel_hozac the finals are for 2.6.20 and 2.6.19.
1183227879 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.21 isn't at all as tested.
1183227902 M * transacid ah yeah i got a bit mixed up with all that numbers ;)
1183227904 M * daniel_hozac (plus we're quite certain there are still bugs in mainline 2.6.21)
1183228458 Q * FloodServ charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
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1183228458 Q * zul_ charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * hallyn charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * mugwump charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
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1183228458 Q * coderanger charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * Johnnie charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * slack101 charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * dilinger charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * bragon charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * Supaplex charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * Rich_Estill charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * jkl charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * phreak`` charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * mattzerah charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * quasisane charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * lylix charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * Hollow charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * besonen_mobile charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * brcc_ charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * awk charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * wenchien charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * tam charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228458 Q * tanjix charon.oftc.net resistance.oftc.net
1183228463 J * coderanger ~coderange@c-65-96-210-168.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
1183228463 J * zul_ ~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183228463 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-246-136.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1183228463 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-0-155-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
1183228463 J * Supaplex supaplex@166-70-62-199.ip.xmission.com
1183228463 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1183228463 J * slack101 fgfdgfdg@cpe-71-74-77-84.insight.res.rr.com
1183228463 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net
1183228463 J * dilinger ~dilinger@mail.queued.net
1183228463 J * bragon ~bragon@sam.geeknode.org
1183228463 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98
1183228463 J * Rich_Estill ~restill@c-24-11-195-139.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1183228463 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1183228463 J * mountie ~mountie@CPE000f66950c89-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1183228463 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-1961.wasilla.mtaonline.net
1183228463 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org
1183228463 J * jkl jkl@c-67-173-253-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1183228486 J * quasisane ~sanep@c-75-67-252-184.hsd1.nh.comcast.net
1183228486 J * lylix ~eric@dynamic-acs-24-154-33-109.zoominternet.net
1183228486 J * Hollow ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1183228486 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net
1183228486 J * brcc_ bruce@i.am.someasshole.com
1183228486 J * awk ~awk@kia.inet-corp.com
1183228486 J * wenchien ~wenchien@59-105-176-11.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1183228486 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com
1183228543 J * tanjix ~tanjix@office.star-hosting.de
1183228693 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.222.55
1183228898 J * Per ~chatzilla@c-3f1ce255.722-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1183228967 M * Per Hi! any experience of running vmware-server in a gentoo vserver (on a gentoo host)?
1183228980 M * Per My problem is that vmware wants to load modules (modprobe) but it gets a nice "Operation not permitted"
1183228988 M * daniel_hozac as it shoudl.
1183228994 M * daniel_hozac should too.
1183229024 M * Per yes I understand that (security issue), but how can I get it working?
1183229072 M * Guy- Per: read http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags
1183229218 M * Per I guess it's SYS_MODULE I'm after then.
1183229231 M * Guy- that's my guess as well
1183229239 M * Guy- I haven't tried it
1183229263 M * daniel_hozac you realize the modules probably aren't compiled correctly, right?
1183229331 M * Per they should be if they're compiled against the same kernel source, right?
1183229413 M * daniel_hozac so you copied it into the guest?
1183229470 M * Per yes
1183229481 M * arachnist hmm
1183229489 M * arachnist what does +R mean here?
1183229504 M * daniel_hozac wouldn't it be easier to just load the modules on the host?
1183229510 M * daniel_hozac arachnist: i think it's registered.
1183229517 M * daniel_hozac i.e. with services.
1183229587 M * Per daniel_hozac: sure. the question then is what I need to copy out of the guest, more than the .ko file (modules are not my friends)?
1183229659 M * daniel_hozac the .ko is the module, so that should be it....
1183229664 M * Bertl Per: your vmware load a proprietary module into the kernel
1183229684 M * Bertl Per: you know that there is a good chance that this collides somewhere with the vserver patches
1183229696 M * Bertl (and thus, can crash your machine)
1183229722 M * Bertl Per: I would advise to get QEMU with kqemu (and if your machine supports kvm, enable that too)
1183229746 M * sid3windr never crashed on me
1183229750 M * sid3windr :)
1183229767 M * sid3windr (but I run vmware on host not guest)
1183229773 M * Per btw, the reason for vmware is to run win2k3 server
1183229790 M * arachnist kvm plays nice with vserver
1183229793 M * arachnist so does vmware
1183229795 M * arachnist tried both
1183229806 M * arachnist virtualbox also seems fine
1183229904 M * Per I copied the "/lib/modules/2.6.20-vs2.2.0-gentoo/misc/vmnet.ko" out from the vserver to the host, but modprobe says it doesn't exists, do I need to do anything else?
1183229946 M * daniel_hozac depmod -a
1183230527 M * Per hmm, I can modprobe it on the host now, but vmware says:
1183230529 M * Per  * Vmware Server is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured
1183230531 M * Per  * for the running kernel.
1183230533 M * Per  * Please ensure that the modules have been compiled for this kernel:
1183230534 M * Per  * emerge --oneshot vmware-modules
1183230566 M * Per I did "emerge --oneshot vmware-modules" on the host
1183230600 M * daniel_hozac you should check the scripts to see what they're checking for.
1183230622 M * daniel_hozac most likely they're doing something that doesn't make sense in a guest.
1183230774 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1183230874 Q * JoeJumbo Quit: satan made me do it
1183231045 M * onox Per: maybe run vmware-config.pl?
1183231071 M * Per onox: I have done that :-)
1183231110 M * onox unload/reload module?
1183231129 Q * dilinger Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183231177 M * Per check
1183231384 M * Per the error message above was because of the existence of "/etc/vmware/not_configured"
1183231468 M * Per removing that let me start it but it failed with this in the log:
1183231470 M * Per vmware-start: Bridged networking on /dev/vmfailed
1183231495 M * Per I guess I'm back at permissions lacking in the vserver again
1183231500 M * Supaplex is there anything on the vmware forums?
1183232144 M * Bertl Per: why run it in a guest anyway?
1183232219 M * Per added security, we want to run some other services as well in that vserver and give root access to it to some people that we do not want to have root access to the host.
1183232225 M * slack101 why are you running vmware Per 
1183232226 M * Supaplex the only logic would be throttoling. win2k3 server doesn't play so nice as a vmware guest.
1183232250 M * Bertl Per: you are running a proprietary application with a proprietary kernel module? there is no security left?
1183232279 M * slack101 running vmware inside a linux vserver guest seems a littkle :\
1183232281 M * Bertl Per: i.e. vmware can do whatever it likes with your host, your guests and whatnot
1183232303 M * Supaplex vmware under uml ;) haha
1183232320 M * Supaplex it'll kill performance
1183232330 M * Supaplex *if* it works at all
1183232358 M * slack101 this is not what vserver is designed for 
1183232366 M * Per We are running gentoo on our server and a customer wants to run a win2k3 server. Is that such a bad idea?
1183232388 M * slack101 qemu ?
1183232395 M * slack101 or w/e it is called 
1183232407 M * Supaplex qemu has poor acpi support, win2k3 won't run in it, afaik
1183232414 M * Supaplex xen might be an option
1183232414 M * slack101 sure ?
1183232431 M * Supaplex yes
1183232446 M * slack101 ive ran 98 in qemu 
1183232461 M * Bertl or KVM
1183232500 M * Supaplex well 98 isn't win2k3, is it?
1183232503 M * Bertl Per: but IMHO, QEMU should work for win2k3 too, did you try release 9.0 with kqemu?
1183232535 M * Per nope, vmware was the first option
1183232542 M * slack101 dont people run Xp in quemu ?
1183232569 M * Supaplex maybe they overcame the bug I ran into, but I tried it just a few months ago
1183232574 M * Supaplex yes xp works
1183232591 M * slack101 how well is perforamnce ?
1183232595 M * slack101 ive never tried it 
1183232756 M * Supaplex I don't use xp enough to care
1183232765 M * Supaplex I don't use windows at all, enough to care. :p
1183232766 M * slack101 i dont mean just xp
1183232782 M * slack101 i mena how well does per say win2k3 or something run in win4lin quemu or w/e ?
1183232783 M * Supaplex it's pretty good, if kqemu is running
1183232795 M * slack101 i mena is it worth offering to people ?
1183232800 M * Per isn't kqemu a KDE app?
1183232808 M * FaUl Per: nope ;-)
1183232831 M * Supaplex it's a kernel module. everything that starts with k is not kde.
1183232837 M * nox maybe k from kernel
1183232838 M * Per Ok, I just found "KQEMU - KDE GUI For QEMU"
1183232853 M * Bertl Supaplex: no, not everything starting with k is from kde :)
1183232854 M * FaUl aiii
1183232858 M * Supaplex Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated
1183232861 M * Supaplex that kqemu
1183232876 M * Per ok :-)
1183232898 M * Supaplex maybe it was 2k8 server I was testing in qemu.
1183232915 M * Supaplex 2k3 got further than I remember, but alas...
1183232988 M * slack101 how much ram does win4lin/kquemu use ? 
1183233027 M * Supaplex I've never used win2lin
1183233033 M * Supaplex what's kquemu?
1183233049 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183233056 M * slack101 kqumu
1183233064 M * slack101 kqemu
1183233075 M * sid3windr koomoo
1183233085 M * Supaplex it's a kernel module, not sure.
1183233093 M * slack101 i wonder how much ram it would take up 
1183233122 M * Supaplex install it and find out :P
1183233127 J * Kenny ~chatzilla@c-58d9e253.03-109-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1183233229 J * Json chatzilla@c-d3af72d5.044-45-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1183233258 Q * rgl_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183233268 M * Per Well, I'm setting up vmware on the host now.  Thanks for the chat though :-)
1183233294 M * Supaplex why not allow them terminal server only access? :)
1183233336 M * slack101 i owuld use 
1183233340 M * slack101 Kqemu or w/e 
1183233356 M * slack101 looks much much faster
1183233426 M * rgl whats w/e?
1183233453 M * arachnist probably a dvorak-typo of w/o
1183233461 M * Supaplex qemu supports vnc to. so if terminal services is inaccessable, you can connect via vnc to the console
1183233522 M * Per Supaplex: That's what we will do now. We just thought it would be nice to give them linux access as well.
1183233549 M * Per arachnist: or "what ever"
1183233615 M * arachnist yes, that's also possible ;)
1183233687 M * slack101 whats fasster Kqemu or VIrtualBox ?
1183233736 M * onox Hollow?
1183233746 M * arachnist slack101: virtualbox
1183233757 M * slack101 is it really ?
1183233761 M * arachnist yes
1183233775 M * arachnist and it's also a little more user-friendly
1183233812 M * slack101 virtual box is still bassed on qemu correct ?
1183233822 M * arachnist what the hell?
1183233897 M * slack101 ?
1183233962 M * Supaplex I assume that's a no, it was never based on qemu?
1183233978 A * Supaplex checks the project page, does a little RTFM
1183233983 M * slack101 yes it is 
1183234005 M * slack101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QEMU
1183234009 M * slack101 scroll down
1183234031 M * Supaplex and yet you ask questions you ... already know the answer to.
1183234180 Q * Json Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]
1183234269 M * slack101 Supaplex, why not ? maybe the wiki was wrong ;)
1183234308 M * slack101 but it is based on QEMU but it uses its own recompiler / to run natve code .....and i think virtualbox is better in that reguard 
1183234384 M * Bertl slack101: there is no need to compile something if you run native code :)
1183234403 M * slack101 i meant
1183234415 M * slack101 it uses a recompiler for the native code it cannot run ;)
1183234419 M * slack101 instead of emulating it 
1183234423 M * slack101 as i took it anyways 
1183234425 J * pflanze ~chris@77-56-91-62.dclient.hispeed.ch
1183234444 M * pflanze Hello
1183234480 A * pflanze building 2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3
1183234506 M * slack101 \but hey i for sure will install both the newest kqemu and the newest virtualbox to see which one runs better
1183234521 M * slack101 i got two customers hwo want windows VPS and they will pay like 90 bucks so yea 
1183234568 M * slack101 glad i found that virtualbox 
1183234597 J * _nkukard_ ~nkukard@dsl-240-25-20.telkomadsl.co.za
1183234615 M * _nkukard_ how would one increase the size of /tmp in a vserver, or even use the hosts fs for it?
1183234619 M * slack101 i stilll dont get why that guy is running the vmware inside of the guest 
1183234662 M * Bertl _nkukard_: you can set that in the fstab inside the guest config tree
1183234671 M * _nkukard_ fanks
1183234709 M * Bertl _nkukard_: you might also remove the mount completely, although I wouldn't suggest to do so, because usually it gives a big bonus for I/O on 'normal' systems
1183234746 M * Bertl most I/O systems can barely handle a normal linux system, now think 30 guests hammering on the disks :)
1183234821 M * pflanze Hey, the News on http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org is quite old.. it's even missing the 2.2 release!
1183234877 M * _nkukard_ yea .... i should log to /var/log instead i think
1183234905 M * Bertl _nkukard_: definitely :)
1183237340 M * pflanze [Just to be sure: 2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3 means the 3rd release candidate of stable vs2.2.0 *for 2.6.21.5*, right? can't be otherwise]
1183237515 M * Bertl correct
1183237759 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1183237795 M * slack101 Bertl, looks like vbox is really cool too ;)
1183237812 Q * Per Remote host closed the connection
1183237824 M * Bertl slack101: sure, QEMU is quite cool
1183237830 M * slack101 Bertl, for windows stuff anyways 
1183237835 M * slack101 i said vbox 
1183237843 M * slack101 they changed it quite a bit 
1183237865 M * slack101 its a bit faster then kqemu 
1183237878 M * slack101 and kqemu normally does around 80 percent of the the actual system 
1183237901 M * Bertl virtualbox is based on QEMU
1183238384 M * slack101 not the module they use 
1183238391 M * slack101 i should yes its based on it 
1183238401 M * slack101 but thier thing they use to run alot of it nateivly is not 
1183238449 M * Bertl trust me, a machine with a kvm kernel and kqemu has the same performance characteristics
1183238479 M * Bertl on the same arch, it just executes native code
1183238491 M * Bertl no binary translation required
1183238817 M * sid3windr um
1183238837 M * sid3windr don't you need vm in your cpu for kvm?
1183238902 M * Bertl yep, as you do for virtualbox/vmware to get native performance
1183238942 M * Bertl of course, you can get good performance by partial code trapping and rewriting
1183238959 M * sid3windr :)
1183238971 M * sid3windr vmware needs to add paravirtualization to their server product
1183238973 M * sid3windr the free one
1183238980 M * sid3windr :]
1183239003 M * Guy- most desktop computers will have CPUs with hardware virtualization support by the end of next year
1183239028 M * Bertl Guy-: are you going to upgrade them or what? :)
1183239037 M * Guy- no :)
1183239041 M * Bertl Guy-: you forgot the 'new' :)
1183239072 M * Guy- well, the ones in active use will probably be new enough by then
1183239078 M * Guy- the majority, anyway
1183239083 M * Bertl I really doubt that
1183239089 M * sid3windr err
1183239092 M * Guy- the number of desktop PCs in use is still growing
1183239095 M * sid3windr Guy-: reality check please :p
1183239101 M * Bertl *bounced*
1183239125 M * Guy- but OK, I'll settle with 51% :)
1183239138 M * Bertl ah, the simple majority :)
1183239160 M * slack101 sid3windr, vmware is horrible 
1183239183 M * sid3windr is it?
1183239198 M * Guy- fwiw, I also think it's horrible :)
1183239221 M * slack101 Bertl, look at Kqemu / KVM things ...benchmarks .... kqemu is well ahead 
1183239223 M * Guy- but I haven't looked at it for a couple of years now, and it could have improved since then
1183239250 M * matti Hi Bertl :)
1183239279 M * slack101 Bertl, and vbox is ahead of kqemu its not bad at all really 
1183239293 M * matti VB is really nice.
1183239335 M * slack101 i finnaly got those 2 customers i been wanting they keepo asking me if i have windows vps 
1183239410 M * sid3windr if virtualbox has a "remote" system like vmware server I'll gladly switch
1183239434 M * matti What you mean by remote?
1183239445 M * slack101 vbox uses RDP
1183239458 M * matti Oh well, I know nothing about virtualization :<
1183239459 M * slack101 i think qemu lets you do VNC
1183239467 M * Bertl yep
1183239476 M * slack101 RDP is faster though ;)
1183239488 M * sid3windr aha, rdp.
1183239493 M * sid3windr so it doesn't need X to start and such?
1183239493 M * Bertl that really depends on the client
1183239499 M * slack101 i was impressed as hell to see windows running with no lag on my remote server via rdp 
1183239504 M * sid3windr Bertl: I think you mean "on the server"
1183239505 M * sid3windr :)
1183239522 M * Bertl no, not really, with tightvnc it is really fast
1183239523 M * slack101 rdp is windows sid3windr 
1183239526 M * sid3windr I don't see how a client can speed up the vnc screenscraping
1183239535 M * slack101 rdp server is faster
1183239536 M * sid3windr slack101: and?
1183239538 M * onox X via ssh is the most 1337 :+
1183239544 M * matti ;D
1183239548 M * sid3windr onox: you mean the überslowest ;)
1183239555 M * onox sid3windr: true
1183239568 M * slack101 it was just designed faster i dunno ...........VNC is cool too though
1183239573 M * sid3windr Bertl: that's with tightvnc as the server then :)
1183239578 M * onox just x11vnc, then start remote desktop?
1183239579 M * sid3windr rdp isn't designed to be faster
1183239581 M * slack101 but as Bertl with VNC it really depends on the client 
1183239583 M * sid3windr it's inside the gdi functions
1183239598 M * slack101 i will rephrase RDP is usually faster 
1183239602 M * sid3windr so let's see that again
1183239606 M * sid3windr I do /etc/init.d/vmware start
1183239613 M * sid3windr and I have running virtual machines I can connect to with a client
1183239613 M * slack101 and your using vmware
1183239620 M * slack101 thats horrible 
1183239621 M * sid3windr I don't want x11 on the machine
1183239632 M * slack101 vmware is all crap man it really is 
1183239642 M * slack101 its so slow it makes me cringe
1183239668 M * sid3windr so provide me with a drop-in alternative and I'll gladly use it :)
1183239681 M * slack101 i just praised one 
1183239684 M * sid3windr where?
1183239688 M * slack101 vbox
1183239690 M * onox vmware is slow?
1183239692 M * Guy- sid3windr: buy separate computers instead of the virtual ones ;)
1183239695 A * matti stop using VMWare completely after switching to VB.
1183239697 M * slack101 onox, oh yes
1183239698 M * onox then use vmware esx or something
1183239703 M * sid3windr Guy-: actually progressing in that way, yes
1183239708 M * sid3windr slack101: see above
1183239710 M * slack101 matti, isnt vbox 50x faster ? :P
1183239724 M * slack101 you dont need X installed 
1183239725 M * matti Indeed.
1183239735 M * matti X only for GUI.
1183239737 M * sid3windr so I can start vm's on boot?
1183239742 M * sid3windr on a server machine
1183239742 M * slack101 oh man
1183239751 M * sid3windr because as far as I can see that is not the case
1183239763 M * matti sid3windr: I am using VB for automated tests.
1183239768 M * sid3windr okay
1183239777 M * matti sid3windr: Works perfectly.
1183239780 M * sid3windr I'll check it out somewhere next week
1183239788 M * sid3windr any chance it'll import a vmware image? :>
1183239789 M * slack101 lol next week
1183239793 M * slack101 no no 
1183239798 M * slack101 they dont work that way 
1183239799 M * sid3windr dude
1183239799 M * matti sid3windr: Even crazy kernel VMSPLIT_, gr security, etc.
1183239804 M * sid3windr you couldn't even start a vserver last week
1183239813 M * slack101 ive been using vserver for 3 months 
1183239823 M * slack101 still not how i want it 
1183239830 M * sid3windr so what's your point with "lol next week" about?
1183239838 M * matti sid3windr: VB is really nice, not perfect, but not bad either.
1183239838 M * sid3windr matti: fancy
1183239844 M * slack101 cause it takes 10 mins to install vbox
1183239854 M * matti sid3windr: VMWare have some features, that VB is missing currently.
1183239855 M * slack101 matti, whats missing ? 
1183239857 M * sid3windr slack101: some of us have work to do :)
1183239878 M * slack101 you've been messing with vmware for the last 2 hours ;)
1183239878 M * sid3windr matti: well, the free as in speech factor is good, the free as in beer doesn't matter as I'm using vmw server which is also gratis
1183239886 M * sid3windr slack101: messing with vmware?
1183239890 M * sid3windr slack101: I haven't touched a vmware in weeks
1183239898 M * slack101 ok maybe i was wrong 
1183239902 M * sid3windr it's running, and it's been running ever since the box booted
1183239907 M * matti sid3windr: I know. And I am not trying to convince you... I am just adding my 2 cents.
1183239918 M * sid3windr matti: well, I don't need a lot of features
1183239937 M * sid3windr in fact, I just need -anything- that'll run a windows install on a linux box at reasonable compatibility
1183239938 M * slack101 sid3windr, someone else was in here earlier talking about it or something
1183239968 M * matti sid3windr: For most of the time I am using Xen.
1183239982 M * sid3windr I don't have time to mess about with xen :(
1183239986 M * slack101 matti, Xen for what ?
1183239996 M * matti sid3windr: VB for testing and lab only. VMWare if VB cannot handle something.
1183240008 M * sid3windr going to go for a drbd/ocfs2 with vserver for my personal servers
1183240016 M * sid3windr at work I introduced vserver a few months ago
1183240017 M * matti sid3windr: I was trying to use kvm, but it is pretty unstable tho.
1183240020 M * slack101 matti, what does vbox not have ? that you need just curious 
1183240021 M * sid3windr vmware for the windows virt part
1183240037 M * sid3windr when I read about kvm going into kernel I also read that kvm didn't do much yet
1183240037 M * slack101 matti, kqemu is faster then kvm benchmark wise 
1183240053 M * slack101 and vbox is faster then kqemu 
1183240054 M * slack101 soooo 
1183240055 M * slack101 :P
1183240057 M * matti slack101: For example - VB is unable to co-op with execution rings.
1183240088 M * matti slack101: Maybe they fixed this in latest release, but I was unable to work with Xen under VB.
1183240092 M * slack101 all i am doing with it is letting customers install dns and web servers 
1183240178 M * matti Heh.
1183240231 M * slack101 matti, whats the "heh" about ? :P
1183240239 M * matti Your approach ;p
1183240276 M * matti I see, that you become a virtualization guru recently :)
1183240306 M * slack101 matti, almost 
1183240311 M * matti Yeah.
1183240317 M * matti Almost.
1183240317 M * matti ;]
1183240330 M * slack101 only if i had my remote console at my datacenter GRRRR
1183240334 M * slack101 wont be there till tuesday
1183240352 M * sid3windr cisco 2511-rj ftw
1183240389 Q * Kenny Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]
1183240395 M * slack101 but man vmware 
1183240402 M * slack101 ive always hated that thing
1183240461 M * matti slack101: Hate is a really bad feeling :)
1183240468 M * matti ;p
1183240471 M * slack101 ok not hate dislike 
1183240519 M * slack101 i know my datacenter used vmware for thier vservers they used to sell 
1183240546 M * slack101 i can see why they stopped selling them 
1183240583 M * sid3windr your datacenter sells virtual servers?
1183240584 M * sid3windr odd
1183240591 M * sid3windr datacenter usually sells floorspace
1183240601 M * matti Heheh.
1183240603 M * slack101 well
1183240616 M * slack101 i think someone in the datacenter did 
1183240632 M * slack101 and used the datacenter website to make money 
1183240633 M * slack101 i dunno 
1183240638 M * slack101 it lasted about 2 months 
1183240856 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving.
1183240998 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-220-241.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
1183241280 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.109.192
1183241284 J * ntrs ntrs@68-188-55-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1183241421 M * rgl what is vbox?
1183241472 M * sid3windr virtualbox
1183241474 M * Bertl vbox is video/broadcasting thingy
1183241491 M * Bertl but here it was slack101ing for virtualbox
1183241515 M * sid3windr ;)
1183241525 M * sid3windr bebox!
1183241596 M * slack101 Bertl, the irc channel is xbox ;)
1183241599 M * slack101 vbox
1183241611 M * rgl interesting.   how does it stand agains vmware server?
1183241619 M * slack101 against ?
1183241643 M * rgl ops, yes, against.
1183241643 M * sid3windr rgl: you're on dangerous grounds now
1183241648 M * Bertl rgl: virtualbox is based on QEMU, they did a few changes to make it more consumer friendly
1183241649 M * slack101 lol
1183241651 M * sid3windr DO NOT MENTION VMWARE IN PRESENCE OF SLACK101
1183241659 M * slack101 no no Bertl 
1183241666 M * slack101 regualr QEMU is POOR
1183241670 M * onox slack101: vmware
1183241672 M * sid3windr virtualbox is rich?
1183241683 M * Bertl slack101: you can't compare apples and oranges
1183241694 M * sid3windr qemu is for HACKERS
1183241702 M * Bertl slack101: 'regular virtualbox' would be poor too :)
1183241704 M * slack101 KQEMU is good ......... Vbox is a tad faster then KQEMU casue they did some changes with grpahics and drivers and few more things are native 
1183241705 M * onox so, there is vmware, qemu, kmv, xen, vserver?
1183241715 M * Bertl something like that
1183241721 M * sid3windr and microsoft virtual pc 2005.
1183241734 M * slack101 well no no
1183241743 M * slack101 Vserver is not para virtualization or w/e 
1183241743 M * sid3windr oh, and parallels workstation
1183241744 M * rgl and solaris zones *G*
1183241751 M * sid3windr freebsd jails?
1183241754 M * sid3windr +-
1183241756 M * sid3windr not quite
1183241765 M * sid3windr lessee what else there is :p
1183241770 M * sid3windr openvz! :>
1183241770 M * slack101 Linux has jail too .... someone patched it in 
1183241777 M * slack101 same as vserver
1183241780 M * sid3windr what use is jails if there is vserver :p
1183241785 M * Bertl actually there is much more, we have different vmware technologies, there are two other projects besides Linux-VServer and of course things like BSD Jails and Solaris Zones
1183241814 M * onox kvm can be used right out of the box or not?
1183241818 M * sid3windr hmmm
1183241819 M * slack101 no
1183241823 M * sid3windr rgl: bochs!
1183241829 M * sid3windr and dosbox
1183241837 M * slack101 kvm is only good if you have one of those good processor otherwise it default to plain qemu 
1183241841 M * sid3windr or pearpc
1183241848 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1183241848 M * slack101 pearpc is done 
1183241852 M * Bertl onox: depends on what you consider 'out of the box'
1183241863 M * onox Bertl: is kvm used by some program? xen?
1183241864 M * sid3windr it's all done?
1183241865 M * sid3windr that's cool
1183241868 M * slack101 no
1183241869 M * sid3windr I'll have to try it out some time :D
1183241870 M * Bertl onox: IMHO Linux-VServer can also be used out of the box :)
1183241886 M * Bertl onox: Xen is the competition to KVM
1183241893 M * slack101 theres different forms of vps things 
1183241893 M * onox yup, emerge vserver-sources util-vserver-svn :)
1183241916 M * slack101 point is IF you need windows VPS and want best performance and less memory Vbox right now is the best it gets 
1183241933 M * Bertl I doubt that, but YMMV
1183241937 M * onox vbox is paravirt?
1183241943 M * slack101 yes
1183241959 M * slack101 Bertl, you doubt what ? :P
1183241961 M * onox that means you need a modified win****?
1183241968 M * sid3windr that you do NOT need
1183241976 M * trippeh_ Then its not paravirt
1183241981 M * sid3windr I hope virtualbox runs without paravirtualisation?
1183241981 M * Bertl onox: with kvm/VT/PCV no
1183241984 M * onox uhm
1183241997 M * slack101 sorry
1183242002 M * slack101 nevermind its not para 
1183242007 M * trippeh_ :)
1183242021 M * Bertl onox: same as with QEMU, paravirt without VT, native but restricted with VT
1183242036 M * slack101 most things get sent to the host as native but some things need some kind of JIT to do it 
1183242044 A * rgl notices ... since when this # had 110 ppl in it?
1183242049 M * slack101 things that *have* to be virtulized such as video cards 
1183242055 M * sid3windr rgl: that's because it's COOL :)
1183242059 M * Bertl rgl: we lost a few :)
1183242062 M * sid3windr poor Bertl though
1183242065 M * slack101 when i first joined vserver it had like 30 something people 
1183242068 M * sid3windr he has to greet them all as they come in
1183242079 M * sid3windr slack101: wow, you've been here long :)
1183242084 M * slack101 4 months 
1183242106 M * Bertl sid3windr: he had a lousy irc client back then :)
1183242109 M * sid3windr probably
1183242114 M * slack101 heh
1183242116 M * sid3windr lots of packet loss, NAMES response didn't get through :p
1183242121 M * slack101 i remember joining and being like damn only 34 people 
1183242163 A * rgl remebers 20 or so *G*  woah
1183242181 M * slack101  as you may see Bertl  deosnt like me to well but little does he know I'm the key to Linux Vserver future :D 
1183242198 M * sid3windr permission to burst into tears
1183242205 M * slack101 ;)
1183242208 A * rgl cof cof
1183242228 M * Bertl slack101: I like all the folks on this channel .. some I do like more than others ... that's correct :)
1183242247 M * slack101 lol
1183242276 M * Bertl slack101: what I usually don't like is misinformation and half chewed pseudo knowledge ... but that is something completely different ...
1183242298 M * slack101 everything i have said today is all fact  my friend 
1183242308 M * slack101 well ok maybe the hate of vmware
1183242335 M * slack101 if you run something lese besides windows and you want windows vservers .... vbox *is* the best it gets 
1183242352 M * slack101 due to 3 benchmarks and my own test ;)
1183242543 J * rgl_ ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1183242588 M * onox i'm going to try vbox
1183242589 M * onox :)
1183242671 M * slack101 if you need it then its the way to go 
1183242768 M * slack101 Bertl, also basing is one thing calling it the same thing is another, kqemu and qemu still completely virtulize the video card .......vboc uses a driver .... its still virtulized but not in the same way, and if you try both out you will see the difference 
1183242861 M * onox i'm currently using vmware
1183242864 M * onox workstation
1183242872 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1183243300 M * slack101 you already know my pov on vmware 
1183243337 J * dilinger ~dilinger@mail.queued.net
1183243437 M * onox lol :D
1183243452 M * Bertl wb dilinger!
1183243554 M * slack101 Bertl, do you really say that ? everytime someone joins .......or do you have ascript / bot setup ?
1183243576 M * Bertl slack101: didn't I tell you that I'm a bot? :)
1183243585 M * slack101 lol
1183243607 M * onox Bertl is a cylon
1183243620 M * Wonka only one scanning eye?
1183243649 M * onox uhm, there also ones who look like humans
1183243690 M * onox but the ones with one scanning eye are cooler :)
1183243758 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1183243769 M * Bertl onox: are you married?
1183243774 M * onox no
1183243776 M * onox why? :p
1183243785 M * Bertl ah, just wondering ....
1183243789 M * onox uh oh
1183243810 M * onox the cylons are trying to gather information
1183243812 A * onox hides
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1183244612 M * slack101 lol
1183245757 M * sid3windr lol onox
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