1182816052 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1182816683 M * rgl gag... with a single disk it works fine... oh well, going to sleep... tomorrow this has to work *G*
1182816694 M * rgl later guys.
1182816708 Q * rgl Quit: Leaving
1182816995 M * slack101 can people make partition on vservers ?
1182816997 M * slack101 or no ?
1182818021 M * cehteh you mean repartition the harddrive?
1182818071 M * cehteh hopefully no :) .. quite dangerous when vservers can access hardware at a low level
1182818081 M * slack101 in somones vserver if they do parted what happens ?
1182818100 M * cehteh EACCESS or such
1182818125 M * cehteh usually vservers root does not have the capabilities to access the hardware
1182818148 M * slack101 yea
1182818182 M * cehteh if you give them access, then consider give them the root password of the host server .. thats easier to setup and the effects are the same :)
1182818267 M * slack101 im kidding 
1182818284 M * slack101 so basically a vserver is a folder with a quota set on it :P
1182818328 M * cehteh well, little more
1182818346 M * slack101 whats more ?
1182818374 M * cehteh pimped chroot, diffrent quotas, security contexts, ip address binding, ....
1182818384 M * Solaris i use lvm so every vserver has its own partition
1182818396 M * slack101 i meant space wise
1182818406 A * cehteh shares and hashifies all vservers
1182818417 M * slack101 is that better to do ?
1182818424 M * slack101 use a different partition for ever vserver ?
1182818446 M * cehteh depends on the usage .. it certainly needs much more memory (RAM too)
1182818470 M * slack101 ooo
1182818475 M * slack101 whats the purpose 
1182818520 M * slack101 why woukd you give each vserver its own partition ?
1182818527 M * slack101 is it more secure ?
1182818651 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-14-11.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr
1182818688 M * cehteh theoretically yes ... practically i dont know any exploit to abuse shared partitions
1182818739 M * slack101 whats the problem with doing it the regular way ?
1182818755 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182818756 M * cehteh but if i have really high security constraints i wont use vservers anyways ... or maybe 1 vserver per host to easy manageability
1182818768 M * cehteh dunno ask Solaris 
1182818851 M * Solaris better to have and not need than to need and not have :D
1182818864 M * slack101 well
1182818869 M * slack101 not if it casues more overhead 
1182818870 M * slack101 ;)
1182818903 M * cehteh well .. i dont have much memory in my server ... 
1182818926 M * slack101 i got 2 GB not much at all i want like 6 
1182818976 M * cehteh 512 MB on a viaC3 here ... my small old box :) (sitting here in the office)
1182819098 M * slack101 what kind of connection ?
1182819106 M * cehteh most amortized box i have .. was very cheap and runs since more than 5 years now, some raid hd swaps and one new installation 1 year ago .. 
1182819120 M * slack101 connection ?
1182819122 M * cehteh just DSL 2000/384
1182819159 M * slack101 whats the box for ?
1182819174 M * slack101 shared ip ?
1182819177 M * cehteh suffices for my crummy website, bind and email .. and quite some other services .. but nothing big
1182819181 M * cehteh static ip
1182819204 M * slack101 ip never changes ?
1182819207 M * slack101 where you locatred?
1182819223 M * cehteh webserver, proxy, git, postfix, bind .. prolly forgot some
1182819224 M * cehteh germany
1182819267 M * slack101 how do yall germans speak this good as english 
1182819270 M * cehteh dont tell me its hard to get static ip's in the usa? :)
1182819274 M * slack101 taught in school for a long time ?
1182819283 M * slack101 its easy +2.00 a month
1182819298 M * cehteh uhm .. my english is quite bad i think 
1182819302 M * slack101 or some its free but if you change mac address it will pull a new static ip 
1182819310 M * cehteh but yes we have it in school
1182819315 M * slack101 from what grade ?
1182819328 M * cehteh any english is mandatory
1182819335 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving
1182819340 M * slack101 from little kid ?
1182819344 M * slack101 or high school ?
1182819370 M * cehteh huh i forgot .. think 5th year .. its loooong ago :)
1182819396 M * cehteh 5th year of school i meant .. 
1182819406 M * cehteh but that changed now
1182819432 M * slack101 what is it now 
1182819437 M * slack101 in usa we just learn english
1182819441 M * slack101 and spanish
1182819441 M * cehteh currently (i live near french border) kids are told french from first class on
1182819454 M * cehteh (ok sinning Ferre Jaques and such)
1182819467 M * slack101 so you speak french too ?
1182819470 M * cehteh no
1182819474 M * slack101 ah
1182819480 M * cehteh i am bad at (human) languages
1182819486 M * slack101 ooo
1182819492 M * slack101 i speak english spanish and portuguese 
1182819494 M * cehteh and i come from north germany
1182819502 M * cehteh only english here
1182819511 M * slack101 no german ?
1182819512 M * cehteh (well and german)
1182819524 M * cehteh as foreign language i meant
1182819528 M * slack101 well english has become per say and international language 
1182819565 M * slack101 even in brazil i speak english most of the time lol 
1182819578 M * slack101 most people are taught it and most people want to speak it 
1182819643 M * slack101 cehteh: i think it just became legal in the last 10 years or so to teach german in the usa ;)
1182819697 M * slack101 so yea you wont find hardly no german speakers 
1182820502 J * gerrit gerrit@host661461325d.prpl.res.tor.fcibroadband.com
1182822356 Q * coderanger_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182822551 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1182835136 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1182835996 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85.127.102.3
1182837276 J * DavidS ~david@p548103A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1182838869 J * HeinMueck ~Miranda@dslb-088-064-021-075.pools.arcor-ip.net
1182839134 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
1182839846 J * dna ~naucki@86-218-dsl.kielnet.net
1182842616 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182842703 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1182842716 M * Bertl morning folks!
1182842887 M * mattzerah hey Bertl 
1182842889 M * mattzerah how are ya ?
1182842955 M * Bertl I think I'm fine :) and you?
1182842988 M * mattzerah about the same, i think :p
1182842995 M * mattzerah just finished work, so i'm pretty fine :)
1182843010 M * mattzerah about to sit down in front of telly for an hour
1182843042 M * mattzerah i got my vserver kernel working for centos (not the centos one, vanilla packaged as an rpm)
1182843058 M * Bertl ah, nice, url?
1182843058 M * mattzerah just need to do a bit more fooling around with it
1182843067 M * mattzerah not *just* yet - maybe on the w/e
1182843088 M * Bertl hehe, not even something to look at?
1182843096 M * mattzerah if you would like, hang on.......
1182843109 M * mattzerah (i cant always remember the url's hehe)
1182843172 M * mattzerah http://www.mattsoftware.com/msw_repo/centos/5/msw_experimental/i386/kernel-vserver-2.6.19-0.4.el5.MSW.i686.rpm
1182843230 M * mattzerah i'm thinking about dropping the kernel-vserver, and just packaging as a kernel, then when i yum update it will see it as an update
1182843238 M * mattzerah at the moment i have to yum install kernel-vserver
1182843263 M * mattzerah which i guess is fine, i'm just figuring out in my head what i would like to do
1182843360 M * Bertl do you have a src rpm or the spec file too? :)
1182843374 M * mattzerah yes, instead of i386 use SRPMS
1182843386 M * mattzerah and instead of .i686.rpm .src.rpm of course
1182843398 M * mattzerah its the centos5 rpm, modified to include the vserver patches
1182843414 M * Bertl kernel-vserver-2.6.19-0.4.el5.MSW.src.rpm?
1182843426 M * Bertl ERROR 404: Not Found.
1182843445 M * mattzerah http://www.mattsoftware.com/msw_repo/centos/5/msw_experimental/SRPMS/
1182843455 M * mattzerah sorry, no -vserver either
1182843461 M * mattzerah its browsable
1182843468 M * DavidS hey bertl! isn'T it a bit early for you? *g*
1182843503 M * Bertl DavidS: definitive!
1182843933 M * mattzerah okay, off for dinner and a bit of relaxation :)
1182843950 M * mattzerah i'de love to know how you went with the kernel if you have any suggestions
1182843962 M * mattzerah but i'll hopefully have one that i'm happy with on the w/e
1182843963 M * mattzerah :)
1182844124 M * Bertl okay, great!
1182844169 A * sid3windr moos loudly in #vserver's general direction
1182844400 J * ntrs ntrs@68-188-55-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1182844562 M * Bertl wb ntrs!
1182845908 M * Bertl I guess I'll try to get some more sleep now ...
1182845912 M * Bertl back later!
1182845918 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1182845928 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1182846144 J * ninou ~sylvain_f@bredele.imag.fr
1182846313 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182847225 J * dna ~naucki@27-214-dsl.kielnet.net
1182849538 N * _mcp mcp
1182849698 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-122-154.pools.arcor-ip.net
1182849814 N * mcp _mcp
1182852465 J * coderanger_ ~laptop@wireless-17.media.mit.edu
1182853156 Q * HeinMueck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182853718 J * HeinMueck ~Miranda@dslb-088-064-021-075.pools.arcor-ip.net
1182855108 J * xsbyme ~xsbyme@d51526964.access.telenet.be
1182855115 M * xsbyme enybody here
1182855200 M * xsbyme http://pastebin.ca/590099
1182855626 M * coderanger_ xsbyme: What exactly are you asking?
1182855696 M * xsbyme i'm stuck there lots of errors eny clue
1182855703 M * xsbyme using gentoo
1182855771 M * coderanger_ I fail to see how vserver is involved in this. You are messing with some kind of Perl binding for VMWare
1182855804 M * xsbyme ic nvm it
1182856147 Q * fs Remote host closed the connection
1182856196 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98
1182857437 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1182857442 M * rgl hello
1182857774 J * toom ~toom@coco.docisland.org
1182858006 Q * bragon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182858117 J * bragon ~bragon@sam.geeknode.org
1182860922 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1182861370 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182861682 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
1182862200 Q * chand Quit: chand
1182862216 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1182862710 M * daniel_hozac mattzerah: any reason it's not 2.6.20 based?
1182863654 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1182863740 Q * xsbyme Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182863990 J * gerrit ~gerrit@fw54.torolab.ibm.com
1182864699 M * awk hey daniel_hozac I could be missing the abvious. but what is the easiest way to configure things like Trixbox or Clarkconnect, etc etc Distro's that have a custom install scheme. something that is going to customize the entire OS
1182864708 M * awk How would this be installed?
1182865045 M * daniel_hozac easiest way is probably to just install it on a machine, and copy the result to a guest.
1182865144 J * Excds ~excds@c-a77de255.06-47-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1182865152 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182865153 M * Excds Hello all!
1182865171 M * Excds Does anyone here know the maximum number of vservers I can run on one host?
1182865172 P * marcfiu 
1182865177 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182865180 P * marcfiu 
1182865196 M * harry Excds: a loooooooooot
1182865201 M * harry about 60k i think
1182865230 M * Excds harry: Hmm, then why didn't it work when I tried starting vserver50-120...
1182865260 M * Excds harry: Ok, I'll try starting servers 1-47 and do the rest manually to check...
1182865261 M * harry Excds: i don't know... i haven't seen the error
1182865272 M * harry or errors
1182865285 M * harry but you can definately run more than 10000 guests
1182865311 M * harry but it will be hard on a pentium 90MHz with 8MB ram
1182865366 M * Excds harry: The cpu and memory will probably be fine. I've got a 3GHz 3GB machine.
1182865410 M * harry that won't be a problem then i think
1182865418 M * harry why won't the other machines boot?
1182865427 M * harry what's the error?
1182865464 M * Excds 255
1182865470 M * Excds Which is really helpful.
1182865470 M * harry ?
1182865481 M * Excds It was when running it with the debian init script...
1182865736 M * Excds harry: The error message I got was '255', which I didn't find helpful. ;-)
1182865826 M * awk Excds why not mark each of them
1182865829 M * awk and see if they start
1182865844 M * harry Excds: that 's the output of vserver <name> start ?
1182865851 M * harry that's the only thing?
1182865872 M * awk I don't think he is using it that way
1182865878 M * Excds harry: No, it was the output from the Debian init.d script. I'm trying it manually now...
1182865922 M * awk Excds what would you use all those vservers for?
1182865924 M * harry aha
1182865971 M * Excds awk: It's a crazy idea I had for testing of home gateways and such.
1182865991 M * awk heh
1182865996 M * Excds awk: I've set up this new server and documented the setup, so I will post it on debian-administration later.
1182866033 M * awk I keep forgettig to document the setup of things :)
1182866056 M * Excds awk: A separate virtual machine behind each gw separated by a VLAN trunk.
1182866143 M * Excds Ah, much better. Or worse, really...
1182866143 M * Excds vserverhost:~# vserver vserver150 start
1182866143 M * Excds vcontext: vc_create_context(): Out of memory
1182866165 M * awk heh
1182866171 M * awk what is each vserver driving
1182866181 M * daniel_hozac i take it you're not out of memory?
1182866212 M * Excds awk: basic Debian etch, with vncserver, ssh and lighttp
1182866213 M * daniel_hozac i further assume this is on x86_64, or another arch capable of using that 3 GiB RAM?
1182866238 M * Excds daniel_hozac: Um, no -> Mem:   3108008k total,  1490196k used,  1617812k free
1182866312 M * Excds daniel_hozac: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
1182866319 M * daniel_hozac that doesn't matter.
1182866329 M * Excds daniel_hozac: What does then?
1182866334 M * daniel_hozac the kernel can only use the lowest gibibyte anyway.
1182866341 M * daniel_hozac (unless you change the memory split)
1182866344 M * harry daniel_hozac: depending on where you set the split
1182866349 M * harry ah... yes, that :)
1182866358 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl
1182866359 M * Excds Soooo, how do I set the split?
1182866365 M * daniel_hozac CONFIG_VMSPLIT
1182866376 M * daniel_hozac depends on CONFIG_EMBEDDED.
1182866384 M * awk daniel_hozac so not setting the split, how would the memory be used?
1182866387 M * daniel_hozac you really should consider getting a 64-bit box.
1182866389 M * awk or wouldn't it be used?
1182866394 M * harry awk: 1-3
1182866402 M * harry 1GB max for kernel stuff, 3GB userspace
1182866406 M * harry allocatable
1182866411 M * daniel_hozac the upper 2 gibibytes would only be used for userspace.
1182866412 M * awk ahh, I see
1182866423 M * Excds daniel_hozac: Well, I have one or two 64-bit machines lying around...
1182866428 M * awk and you say with 64BIT machines?
1182866440 M * awk how is the split set by detault, or isn't there a split set as static?
1182866443 M * daniel_hozac with a 64-bit machine, these problems don't exist.
1182866445 M * harry with 64 bit machines, addressing isn't limited to 32 bits ;)
1182866463 M * awk ahh :)
1182866472 M * harry 32 bits is 2^32 or 4GB
1182866477 M * Excds daniel_hozac: But I'd have to build a new kernel if I wanted to use the 32-bit machine?
1182866490 M * harry Excds: no
1182866508 M * daniel_hozac you can use it fine, you just have to accept its limitations.
1182866556 M * Excds daniel_hozac: And the limitations are that I can't use more than 1GB kernel space, so that I can't start anymore vservers?
1182866571 M * harry seems so, Excds 
1182866576 M * daniel_hozac looks like. of course, it could be something else.
1182866587 M * harry daniel_hozac: can't you check the amount of kernel memory used??? /proc/slabs or so?
1182866591 M * daniel_hozac dmesg ought to shed some light on it.
1182866614 M * daniel_hozac /proc/slabinfo only has info about slabs, AFAIK.
1182866632 M * Excds daniel_hozac: What should I look for in dmesg=
1182866633 M * Excds ?
1182866643 M * daniel_hozac anything memory related.
1182866652 M * Excds 2166MB HIGHMEM available.
1182866652 M * Excds 896MB LOWMEM available.
1182866667 M * Excds I guess that's it...
1182866669 M * harry Excds: paste a /proc/meminfo somewhere
1182866676 M * harry paste.linux-vserver.org
1182866677 M * harry or so
1182866709 M * Excds http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2731
1182866767 M * harry seems ok... what do you daniel_hozac ?
1182866786 M * harry +think
1182866788 M * onox if I upgade libtool, can packages break?
1182866820 M * daniel_hozac onox: not retroactively. just new things, IMHO.
1182866825 M * daniel_hozac harry: looks good to me.
1182866835 M * harry so there must be another problem
1182866843 M * harry Excds: what kernel version are you using?
1182866853 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1182866876 M * daniel_hozac let me guess, 2.6.18-4? :)
1182866878 Q * cedric Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182866882 M * Excds Yes
1182866893 M * daniel_hozac ah, thank you crystal ball.
1182866902 M * harry how did you know, daniel_hozac ?
1182866912 M * Excds Ok, so what does the crystal ball say?
1182866913 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1182866922 M * daniel_hozac harry: Debian users... :)
1182866923 M * Excds Or rather, what's broken with 2.6.18-4
1182866935 M * harry hehe
1182866944 M * Excds daniel_hozac: Yes, I know... I'm a Debian user...
1182866957 M * Excds daniel_hozac: Not that ashamed of it either. ;-)
1182866967 Q * cedric 
1182866990 M * daniel_hozac well, try with a kernel released within the past 6 months.
1182866993 M * Excds Anyway, back to my question. Is there anything specific that's wrong with that kernel version?
1182866999 M * Excds Hmm, ok.
1182867096 M * Excds I'll try a different version then.
1182867098 T * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0, 2.0.3-rc3, devel 2.3.0.12, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0 | util-vserver-0.30.213 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
1182867109 M * daniel_hozac i'd suggest a recent one.
1182867136 M * rgl hi daniel_hozac :D
1182867141 M * rgl what changed on the topic?
1182867143 M * harry what did you change?
1182867172 M * meandtheshel1 rc3
1182867173 M * daniel_hozac 2.0.3-rc3
1182867178 M * harry ha
1182867251 M * rgl humm, why is still a 2.0.x arround? :D
1182867273 M * daniel_hozac them Debian users keep using it.
1182867293 M * meandtheshel1 regarding what changed at the topic http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5845/pidginchangetopicnn9.png
1182867308 M * meandtheshel1 Yes, Sirs, how colorful :)
1182867326 M * daniel_hozac heh.
1182867330 M * rgl whah hehe
1182867345 M * meandtheshel1 frickn cool init
1182867352 M * meandtheshel1 ;-]
1182867369 M * rgl finally got my box working with two disks ... *G*
1182867380 M * Excds daniel_hozac: Trying with this instead -> linux-image-2.6.21-1-vserver-686
1182867394 Q * FloodServ Service unloaded
1182867420 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net
1182867450 M * rgl meandtheshel1, humm pidgin works better with IRC than xchat? 
1182867486 M * meandtheshel1 rgl: I never used xchat - I am with pidgin and erc (Emacs)
1182867493 M * daniel_hozac irssi ftw ;)
1182867516 M * rgl :D
1182867533 M * meandtheshel1 pidgin has irssi feature set in his plugin-pack - yay!
1182867538 M * onox irssi > (pidgin || xchat)
1182867545 M * Excds daniel_hozac and harry: Thanks a lot for you help!
1182867561 M * harry np
1182867567 M * harry Excds: does it work now?
1182867573 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshel1: does pidgin support screen? ;)
1182867588 M * meandtheshel1 never tried - but should work
1182867593 M * harry daniel_hozac: use dircproxy + pidgin :p
1182867625 M * daniel_hozac those proxy/bouncing services are weird.
1182867650 M * Excds harry: Just testing it now, but it still takes a while to reboot with a bunch of vservers running...
1182867656 M * harry true :)
1182867702 M * rgl where is the libvserver & vserver-utils download page? 
1182867720 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1182867734 M * daniel_hozac we really should remove that from the topic.
1182867754 M * harry knock yourself out! ;)
1182867756 M * daniel_hozac it's libvserver/vcd/vstatd know.
1182867759 M * meandtheshel1 So Bertl loves the pillow a lot ;)
1182867763 A * meandtheshel1 too
1182867772 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/vcd
1182867775 M * harry vcd? vstatd?
1182867780 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/vstatd/
1182867784 M * harry never used that
1182867787 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/libvserver/
1182867788 M * harry why do i need it?
1182867793 M * harry i use util-vserver
1182867795 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver replacement.
1182867795 M * onox what is libvserver used for?
1182867801 M * daniel_hozac vcd.
1182867804 M * daniel_hozac and vstatd.
1182867817 M * harry same goes for vcd and vstatd
1182867834 M * daniel_hozac vcd is a vserver control daemon
1182867840 M * daniel_hozac vstatd is pretty obvious :)
1182867843 M * Excds harry: I'll have to continue tomorrow... Now there seems to be an incompatibility with the vserver tools with the kernel... That's what happens when you try to mix Debian distributions...
1182867854 Q * Excds Quit: Thanks a lot guys
1182867930 M * harry daniel_hozac: is that stable? are there packages?
1182867941 M * daniel_hozac not yet.
1182867954 M * daniel_hozac IIRC, Hollow is planning on a release in august or so.
1182867992 M * meandtheshel1 those boys are busy at university right now I assume ;)
1182868007 A * meandtheshel1 remembers those days
1182868028 P * jesusch 
1182868109 A * harry will look at the code
1182868138 M * rgl daniel_hozac, thx.  I suppose I can use vserver-utils instead of util-vserver?
1182868185 M * meandtheshel1 oh my god  - today I went out to buy some candies, came home with a six pack of yummy  ice lollies - now, 7hs later there are only two left :) Someone hand over the Insulin injector
1182868190 M * daniel_hozac rgl: vserver-utils don't exist anymore.
1182868215 M * rgl daniel_hozac, vcd for everything?
1182868229 M * daniel_hozac everything guest related.
1182868251 M * daniel_hozac i think libvserver contains smaller utilities.
1182868251 M * rgl humm, what do you mean?
1182868267 M * daniel_hozac vcd deals with entire guests.
1182868272 M * rgl I can't create/start/stop guests?
1182868278 M * daniel_hozac sure you can.
1182868294 M * rgl hy did you say "guest" related? :D
1182868348 M * daniel_hozac because AFAIK vcd doesn't have things like "enter the namespace" or "enter the network context", it only has "enter the guest".
1182868361 M * daniel_hozac libvserver has the smaller things.
1182868382 M * daniel_hozac (i guess it should be noted that i've never used either libvserver or vcd)
1182868414 M * harry why's that?
1182868415 M * rgl I see. thx :D
1182868418 M * harry (me neither btw ;))
1182868427 M * daniel_hozac because i'm happy with util-vserveR? :)
1182868432 M * harry hehe
1182868441 M * harry me too... but still... if it's better... i have to change! ;)
1182868443 M * rgl util-vserver seems to be borked when compiled with gcc 4.1.x :(
1182868452 M * daniel_hozac rgl: umm.. no.
1182868470 M * rgl daniel_hozac, why does it crash and burn here?
1182868475 M * daniel_hozac because you're using Ubuntu.
1182868486 M * rgl huh? :|
1182868493 M * daniel_hozac dietlibc is broken on Ubuntu.
1182868530 M * rgl humm, can't I use normal glibc?
1182868551 M * daniel_hozac only if you don't care about the security implications...
1182868588 M * rgl so, the solution is to remove all ubuntu patches to dietlibc?
1182868679 M * daniel_hozac no, you should get http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/dietlibc/ and try again, if it still doesn't work, disable SSP and friends and build with -fno-stack-protector-all
1182868690 M * harry printf("Usage: vstatd [<opts>]\n"
1182868691 M * harry tssssss
1182868694 M * harry not good, Hollow ! :)
1182868705 M * harry hardcoded usage...
1182868732 M * harry wouldn't it be better to make it: printf("Usage: %s ....", argv[0]);
1182868736 M * harry etc...
1182868845 M * rgl daniel_hozac, humm, why use the dietlibc hosted there?
1182868885 M * daniel_hozac rgl: it has quite a few fixes from 0.30. upstream isn't terribly active right now...
1182868906 M * daniel_hozac should be merged as soon as upstream is responding again.
1182868947 M * rgl I see.   You guys will keep that branch?  or onde upstream merges, it dies?
1182869058 M * daniel_hozac i think it'll die.
1182869149 M * harry i've seen fefe on 23c3...
1182869165 M * harry he was still talking about dietlibc...but i didn't know there was a problem
1182869175 M * harry i'll ask him if you want...
1182869194 J * [BiG^BrotheR] ~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253
1182869253 M * daniel_hozac well, you should be talking to Hollow.
1182869257 M * FaUl daniel_hozac: i can point fefe on that on the camp somewhen within the next months if you want
1182869282 M * daniel_hozac Hollow's the one who collected all the patches and created it etc.
1182869294 M * daniel_hozac but sure, making fefe aware of it is always a good idea.
1182869317 J * DreaM[BrB] ~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253
1182869321 M * FaUl i've to talk to fefe anyway
1182869359 A * daniel_hozac notices one of his patches is missing.
1182869592 Q * mEDI_S Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182869681 Q * [BiG^BrotheR] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182869715 Q * cedric Quit: cedric
1182869801 Q * DreaM[BrB] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182869934 J * mEDI_S ~medi@snipah.com
1182870320 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182870330 M * meandtheshel1 whois fefe?
1182870341 M * FaUl maintainer of dietlibc
1182870343 M * daniel_hozac dietlibc maintainer.
1182870353 M * meandtheshel1 I see 
1182870419 M * meandtheshel1 ah ok - so fefe is felix leitners nick - yes?
1182870439 M * meandtheshel1 sure it is ...
1182870444 M * harry yes
1182870460 A * meandtheshel1 never noticed that :)
1182870635 J * David1 ~david@p54811BDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1182870734 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67
1182870775 Q * coderanger_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182871016 Q * DavidS Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182871045 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-195-079.pools.arcor-ip.net
1182871340 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1182871817 M * meandtheshel1 I want to see how much RAM a particular application demands for itself - I remember there's a tool to show that but I can't remember the name - does some one know it? 
1182871829 M * daniel_hozac ps? :)
1182871897 M * Solaris i thinks his talking about something elese :)
1182871916 M * eyck_ ps ? top?
1182871920 M * Solaris nop..
1182871946 M * meandtheshel1 yes, not ps - there was something more feature rich than ps, top, ntop etc.
1182871948 M * meandtheshel1 hm ...
1182871962 M * Solaris i forgot it to... herr
1182871989 M * meandtheshel1 damnit - not making notes is bad bad bad
1182872004 M * Solaris maybe in the dir.. of vserver tools
1182872017 M * Solaris herr.. im talking really bad english..lol
1182872135 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182872138 Q * ninou Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [Iceape 1.0.9/2007051000]
1182872138 P * marcfiu 
1182872228 M * Solaris ha.. meandtheshel1 isnt it the tool that show how much shared and not shared mem an app uses?
1182872323 M * meandtheshel1 Solaris: well, I wish I could tell - right now I am searching the whole damn debian archive with all the tools I know to handle 
1182872439 M * meandtheshel1 hm ... was it a better-ps-made-for-nerds ?
1182872445 M * meandtheshel1 :)
1182872772 M * eyck_ hmm, ps already is good enough, 
1182872783 N * eyck_ eyck-
1182872816 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182872950 M * meandtheshel1 eyck-: yeah - should do - I agree 
1182872995 M * meandtheshel1 I was just pissed that I didn't made a note - if I recall correctly that tool had better formating and the like
1182873155 N * David1 DavidS|Vechta
1182873228 M * Solaris meandtheshel1 i was talking about pmap
1182873253 M * meandtheshel1 Solaris: ah - let me check
1182873361 M * meandtheshel1 no - not what I came across but thx for the hint
1182873395 M * meandtheshel1 lol - iceweasel is quite a fat animal
1182873404 M * meandtheshel1 needs 500 MB RAM here
1182873411 M * Wonka only?
1182873422 M * meandtheshel1 Wonka: yeah - tell me yours need more
1182873426 M * meandtheshel1 no way
1182873479 M * meandtheshel1 markusgattol@pc1:~$ ps aux | egrep 'USER|icewe' | grep -v grep
1182873479 M * meandtheshel1 USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
1182873479 M * meandtheshel1 1000     27795  5.3 17.7 297376 184376 pts/0   Sl   06:01  35:03 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox
1182873479 M * meandtheshel1 markusgattol@pc1:~$ 
1182873491 M * Wonka i can go from 120MB RAM and no swap used (of 256MB) to 82% RAM useage plus 550MB swap by just starting iceweasel and restoring some session...
1182873498 M * Wonka (with 42 tabs)
1182873504 M * meandtheshel1 lol
1182873524 M * Wonka that qualifies as "more", i think :>
1182873536 M * meandtheshel1 yep
1182873567 M * meandtheshel1 well, I don't care - /me simple spends his PC another gig RAM :)
1182873577 M * meandtheshel1 simply*
1182873726 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182873749 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.10.107
1182873806 M * Wonka it's a notebook.
1182873832 M * Wonka last time i looked, 1GiB Kingston Valueram would have cost me 127EUR + s/h
1182873845 M * Wonka little much for my account, atm
1182873984 M * meandtheshel1 my notebook has 2 GiB RAM - fine thingy - that is more than my workstation has :)
1182873984 M * meandtheshel1 - ws 6 years old
1182873984 M * meandtheshel1 - notebook 9 months
1182873997 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1182874002 M * Bertl monring folks!
1182874004 M * meandtheshel1 Bertl: morning
1182874098 M * rgl hey Bertl :D
1182874133 M * rgl Bertl, I finnally got my box running (with ubuntu ;)
1182874145 M * Bertl rgl: excellent! what was the problem?
1182874164 M * rgl vserver-start no longer displays the host/root on its output?
1182874178 M * Bertl yep, that is correct
1182874224 M * rgl Bertl, when I added two disks, the thing didn't work.  after touching the BIOS, I've changed the SATA settings to use AHCI, and it started to work magically :)
1182874268 M * Bertl ah, 'broken/unsupported' ide chipset with sata driver
1182874305 M * rgl its odd, because its an intel one, which should be supported fine *G*
1182874321 M * Bertl ICH6/ICH7 I presume?
1182874330 M * rgl yup ICH7
1182874351 M * Bertl they often use an addon controller, like the JMicron 363 or 366
1182874373 M * Bertl (which is also supported, but needs careful handling)
1182874377 M * rgl I just want to use LVM with stripped data *G*
1182874387 M * rgl no HW RAID at all.
1182874397 M * Wonka ITYM striped
1182874416 M * rgl ITYM? :D
1182874422 M * Wonka I Think You Mean
1182874429 M * meandtheshel1 Bertl: what I said above RSS + VSZ = ~500MB is wrong isn't it
1182874438 M * Bertl Wonka: naked sounds much better :)
1182874443 M * Wonka lol
1182874449 M * rgl oh yeah :D
1182874466 M * Wonka naked data...
1182874468 M * meandtheshel1 it's just VSZ whereas RSS is a part of VSZ which is currently in RAM - yes?
1182874478 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182874497 M * meandtheshel1 so - 184376 RAM usage of iceweasel
1182874514 M * Bertl yeah, that sounds more like it
1182874515 M * meandtheshel1 184376 KiB RAM*
1182874515 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1182874534 M * meandtheshel1 all right - I summed them up ---> wrong
1182874596 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:5c0:85e2:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33
1182874821 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4ECF1.dip.t-dialin.net
1182875983 M * rgl oh, vserver build now fails... can you look at http://pastie.caboo.se/73687 ?
1182876042 M * Bertl fiesty?
1182876112 M * rgl Bertl, its ubuntu 7.04
1182876128 M * rgl (the code-name of that realease)
1182876165 M * Bertl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29
1182876187 M * Bertl 7.04 19 April 2007[37] Feisty Fawn
1182876221 M * rgl gag... omg, I've got the name wrong :(
1182876226 M * rgl thx for spotting it.
1182876284 M * rgl though, the problem is the same :-(
1182876324 M * rgl vserver-build is not ignoring the arguments after "--"
1182876353 M * Bertl what version of util-vserver?
1182876387 M * rgl 0.30.213
1182876464 M * Bertl what does $REPO contain? another typo?
1182876505 M * daniel_hozac yeah, $REPO is probably empty.
1182876514 M * Bertl when $REPO is empty, then -- is an argument to -m
1182876545 M * rgl oh, thats right.  REPO is empty :-(
1182876601 M * rgl its doing its thing now.  oh, this was so lame. sorry :-(
1182876616 M * Bertl np, that is within our expertise :)
1182876913 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later ...
1182876918 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1182877849 Q * chand Quit: chand
1182879241 J * mire ~mire@7-168-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1182879550 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1182880450 M * rgl humm, when I do a "vserver ocelot start", the guest boot scripts say "cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied", but that file is alteady there... known what might be wrong? 
1182880481 M * daniel_hozac your guest is mildly retarded and recreates things unnecessarily? :)
1182880558 M * rgl maybe its something else :-(
1182880604 M * rgl when I do "vserver ocelot enter
1182880604 M * rgl ", it fails with: "vlogin: openpty(): Permission denied"  any ideia why?   might be related with the other? :|
1182880632 M * daniel_hozac permissions on /dev/pts/*? /dev/ptmx?
1182880720 M * rgl daniel_hozac, I don't think so.  please see http://pastie.caboo.se/73712
1182881074 M * Hollow FaUl: fefe is at the ccc camp?
1182881096 M * rgl daniel_hozac, omg... if I mount the guest on the host (instead of using the fstab on the guest) it works :|
1182881176 M * Hollow unfortunately the camp is during my vacation..
1182881183 M * Hollow so i can't blame fefe :)
1182881184 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1182881185 M * FaUl Hollow: i'm quite sure
1182881309 M * rgl daniel_hozac, something is wrong with mount the FS from ith fstab :-(
1182881319 J * cameronm ~cameronm@ny.webpipe.net
1182881362 M * cameronm i just increased the disk space for one of my vservers in the configuration file, but i don't know how to make the vserver re-read the config.  is this possible? or do i have to restart to increase disk space?
1182881500 M * rgl cameronm, what disk space?  (/me is a VS "newbie")
1182881529 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182881631 M * cameronm rgl: the disk quota in dlimits/space_total
1182881818 P * marcfiu 
1182881908 M * daniel_hozac rgl: you have the guest's root mount in the fstab? have you remembered to make it dev?
1182881966 M * daniel_hozac cameronm: there's currently no way to have it reread the configuration file, but you can simply run vdlimit --xid <guest> -s space_total=<value> <mount point>
1182881971 M * rgl daniel_hozac, you mean, making the /dev/main/ocelot inside the guest FS?
1182881987 M * daniel_hozac rgl: no, i mean in the fstab, do you have dev in the options field?
1182882019 M * rgl daniel_hozac, the guest fstab I have this: /dev/main/ocelot  /     ext3    rw,noatime              0 0
1182882035 M * daniel_hozac right, which is wrong
1182882047 M * daniel_hozac you need to have dev in the options field, i.e. rw,noatime,dev.
1182882106 M * rgl daniel_hozac, oh.  in the previous vserver versions I didn't have that.  I'll try with "dev" now.  thx :D
1182882209 M * daniel_hozac because they were wrong :)
1182882261 M * rgl daniel_hozac, they were?   humm, but they work *G*
1182882274 M * rgl daniel_hozac, it now works :)
1182882594 M * rgl is there a way of redirecting a guest /dev/console to host syslog?
1182882654 M * daniel_hozac sure, write a daemon that creates sockets in the guests and logs it.
1182882810 M * rgl ah ok.  using syslogng or something like that on the guest is fine too :D
1182882940 M * daniel_hozac well, you could probably setup syslog-ng on the host to do it.
1182882950 J * dna_ ~naucki@27-214-dsl.kielnet.net
1182883143 M * rgl daniel_hozac, humm, for that I have to mount the guest FS before sarting the guest?
1182883177 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1182883208 J * sauron ~zeus16384@12.20.4.100
1182883222 M * sauron hi guys, i have a few probs
1182883265 M * sauron im writing a paper in favor of vserver and I listed a few issues I want to tackle with vserver
1182883268 M * sauron The number of processes is only limited by the sky, resulting in spectacular crashes.
1182883270 M * sauron Memory is not controlled closely, thus any process able to take most of it to itself, including swap space, and then crashing the server.
1182883270 M * sauron File handling is totally out of control from how much space they take up to how much of them is loaded into memory as cache to how fragmented they are; thus taking down the whole file system which is usually shared among all procsses exacaerbating the whole experience
1182883270 M * sauron Services and resources are not restricted or quantified to certain users - they can mostly be started by anyone in any numbers, even if most users normally only need say 10% of all available services.
1182883270 M * sauron Privileged areas are few and far between. Superuser can only use them if he/she gets a chance to say something. Unfortunately, since there is no effective protection of these areas in place, they are most inaccessible when they would be most needed (in times of crises and emergency when the superuser could actually relieve system issues)
1182883351 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182883427 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182883432 M * sauron anyway, trying to find answers to these.
1182883585 M * daniel_hozac to what?
1182883599 M * sauron hey daniel
1182883601 M * daniel_hozac i didn't see a single question mark
1182883604 M * sauron sorry
1182883609 M * sauron let me copy a bit more
1182883615 M * sauron my "wish list"
1182883632 M * sauron esource management should be controllable in real-time both automatically and manually.
1182883644 M * sauron By switching the OS to "manual pilot" I should be able toadd or remove memory segmentsclose filesswitch to another set of tasks, even to new environmentsreconfigure the system to suit other type of usage, without restarting or any drastic measure. For example, it should be very simple to clear out memory after many small processes used and framented it. Likewise, it should be easy to switch the system (even a number of servers together) back to previous sta
1182883690 M * sauron Optimization of the system should be on-going and automatic, so no crash-effects hit when you have to run "much needed maintenance". This entails:
1182883695 M * daniel_hozac you might want to use paste.linux-vserver.org.
1182883701 M * sauron yeah
1182883704 M * sauron I will
1182883705 M * sauron sorry
1182883808 M * sauron danny I coppied it there under sauron. looks it doesnt support html though
1182883950 M * sauron it maybe a bit abstract but I need a few of these things and wanted to see what's possible with vserver already.
1182883971 M * sauron http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2733
1182884076 M * daniel_hozac you realize it's much easier to just ask specific questions, right?
1182884151 M * sauron yeah sure. for example, i wonder if its poss to:
1182884167 M * sauron assign dedicated range of memory to a vserver? say limit it
1182884173 M * sauron may it is doc'd somewhere
1182884178 M * sauron may=maybe
1182884214 M * rgl can't you use the std linix limits thing?
1182884267 M * sauron never did before. what is the std linux thing for limiting memory?
1182884281 M * sauron remember its for a context only... 
1182884349 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Memory_Limits
1182884427 M * sauron Cool!
1182884432 M * sauron I'll check this
1182884482 M * daniel_hozac did you look at http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation at all?
1182884508 M * sauron daniel sure
1182884541 M * daniel_hozac and you didn't think "Memory Limits" might be what you were after?
1182884542 M * sauron but it is big and in flux and it was simpler to ask, if you dont mind
1182884556 M * daniel_hozac uh, it's not big.
1182884564 M * daniel_hozac it's like 50 links.
1182884583 M * sauron hoestly I was not looking at it now as I was focusing on diff. projects. I was happy that I could get my environment running 
1182884613 M * sauron yeah I know but when i kept looking at the doc I always found some little note or link here and there that I did not see before
1182884642 M * sauron sometimes direct q is better
1182885505 Q * cedric Quit: cedric
1182885711 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182885857 Q * mire Quit: Leaving
1182885894 M * sauron later,
1182885900 Q * sauron 
1182886154 P * marcfiu 
1182886536 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1182886622 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1182887949 Q * slack101 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182888023 J * sauron ~zeus16384@12.20.4.100
1182888045 M * sauron hi daniel,
1182888091 M * sauron i checked the vlimit... set it to some low value but doesnt seem to be of any use....
1182888186 M * sauron used both /usr/sbin/vlimit -c ... --rss 8000 and wrote 8000 to the file /etc/vservers/<name>/rlimits/rss.hard and bounced the vserver
1182888296 M * daniel_hozac and, you are using 32 MiB of RAM?
1182888308 M * sauron i started a proc that uses 25MB RSS
1182888316 M * sauron and I had no prob starting another of the same kind...
1182888325 M * daniel_hozac and how much of that was shared?
1182888340 M * sauron khm... good queston.....
1182888347 M * sauron I wish I knew that... is ther any way to check that?
1182888373 M * sauron I do have these running in other vserver.... that's right...
1182889009 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1182889949 Q * DavidS|Vechta Quit: Leaving.
1182890903 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1182891693 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1182891703 M * Bertl back now ... but almost off to bed ...
1182891932 M * sauron hi bertl
1182891950 M * sauron i think my kernel is old... is it poss that rlimits only supp >2.6.18?
1182891983 M * sauron mine is 2.6.17-13 and rss.hard doesn't seem to work
1182892008 M * sauron at least I see a ref to it at http://linux-vserver.org/Resource_Limits
1182892176 M * Bertl what vserver version does your kernel have?
1182892237 M * sauron 2.0.2.1
1182892371 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-220-241.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
1182892698 J * gerrit ~gerrit@204.50.130.82
1182892790 M * Bertl sauron: with that version the VM limit had the function of the RSS.hard
1182892815 M * daniel_hozac well...
1182892819 M * Bertl sauron: no combined page accounting back then
1182892826 M * daniel_hozac only as far as /proc/meminfo is concerned.
1182892839 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: yes, that is correct
1182892930 N * Solaris SMMDI
1182892965 P * marcfiu 
1182892974 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed .. have to get up early ...
1182892980 M * daniel_hozac okay, good night!
1182892982 M * Bertl have a good whatever everyone! cya!
1182892988 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1182893120 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving.
1182893239 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1182893259 M * sauron sorry, 0.30.212-1
1182893287 M * Guy- I just noticed that if I vserver exec something, then press CTRL-z and then say 'fg', not all interrupted guest processed get a CONT signal
1182893290 M * Guy- is this a bug?
1182893892 M * daniel_hozac kernel?
1182893900 M * daniel_hozac utils?
1182893908 M * daniel_hozac or wait, exec.
1182893920 M * daniel_hozac hmm, yeah, that should work anyway.
1182893949 M * daniel_hozac (as long as the kernel isn't broken)
1182893990 M * sauron good nite
1182893994 Q * sauron 
1182894154 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: 2.6.20.11-vs2.2.0
1182894168 M * daniel_hozac really? that should be fine.
1182894170 M * Guy- util-vserver 0.30.213
1182894209 M * daniel_hozac so what's the exact scenario?
1182894239 M * daniel_hozac i.e. how would i duplicate it on my identical machine?
1182894265 M * daniel_hozac s/machine/steup/
1182894268 M * daniel_hozac +english ;)
1182894269 M * Guy- http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2734
1182894279 M * Guy- this is the relevant output from vps axfu
1182894298 M * Guy- the 'create-av-users' script basically consists of a number of adduser/useradd/addgroup commands
1182894325 M * Guy- the vps axfu is from after issuing the 'fg' command
1182894414 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i seem to be able to reproduce it with something as simple as vserver ... exec sleep 60.
1182894550 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1182894635 M * daniel_hozac that is strange. this should be fixed already.
1182894707 M * daniel_hozac or wait, nevermind.
1182894796 M * daniel_hozac fg is bash doing its thing. the host isn't allowed to signal guest processes, so that'll be denied.
1182894808 M * daniel_hozac ... i think :)
1182894967 M * Guy- so this can't be 'fixed' then?
1182894997 M * Guy- maybe processes should be allowed to send signals to their own children even across contexts?
1182895162 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1182895209 M * daniel_hozac that would be one idea... not quite sure it's a good one :)
1182895269 M * Guy- it looks good to me :)
1182895296 M * Guy- it has other advantages as well - for example, it makes your signal-relay program unnecessary :)
1182895328 M * daniel_hozac where's the patch? :)
1182895352 M * Guy- um - did I seem to be implying there was one? oops, my bad, sorry :)
1182895583 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-wsf-hack01.diff not even compile tested, so use at your very own risk ;)
1182895721 M * Guy- uh, thanks
1182895731 M * Guy- it's going to be a while until I can test this
1182895735 M * Guy- a few days at least
1182895751 M * daniel_hozac well, i'm still not convinced it's a good idea.
1182895764 M * daniel_hozac i think it looks like an ugly hack actually.
1182895789 M * Guy- I don't know about that
1182895799 Q * HeinMueck Quit: Aah!
1182895809 M * Guy- to me, it looks pretty natural that 'of course' any process can send signals to its children
1182895811 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182895826 J * Hollow ~hollow@proteus.croup.de
1182895854 M * Guy- I don't see any drawback... do you?
1182895911 M * daniel_hozac not right now, but i'm sure there are some. ;)
1182895998 M * Guy- OK, there's plenty of time to find out :)
1182896778 Q * cameronm Quit: leaving
1182897795 M * onox sending signals across contexts? :s
1182897901 M * daniel_hozac sounds scary, doesn't it?
1182898837 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-193-100.pools.arcor-ip.net
1182899062 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1182899200 Q * lilalinux Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182899561 M * onox daniel_hozac: sounds like giving a hacker a remote control?
1182899966 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@69.81-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1182900313 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182900313 M * Guy- onox: to control the child processes he spawned into the other context, yes
1182900362 M * Guy- onox: I think if an attacker can create child processes in another context, his ability to send them signals isn't going to be my most important worry
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1182901579 J * lylix ~eric@dynamic-acs-24-154-33-109.zoominternet.net