1182471028 Q * onox Quit: zZzZ 1182471111 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182472619 Q * coderanger_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182473010 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-15-6.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr 1182473108 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182475184 M * brcc_ Hello Bertl! 1182475352 M * Bertl hey brcc_! LTNS! 1182475392 M * brcc_ ltns :) Lot of work did not have time to come around. Do you have news on the memory stuff ? (reemmeber about the limits we were talking about) 1182475437 M * Bertl you think we would make progress without you? 1182475484 M * brcc_ i dunno i had the impression that i wasn't helping since some people did nto agree with me 1182475501 M * brcc_ but if you want i am here to cooperate 1182475560 M * Bertl hehe, IIRC, you wanted a 'feature' to use the mappings instead the entire RSS for in guest memory display, right? 1182475620 M * brcc_ It hard to say what i really want i was trying to find something that would behave more similar to a real server 1182475631 M * brcc_ Regarding limits / output of free 1182475658 M * brcc_ At that time i read a lot and there are some openvz info about it 1182475681 M * brcc_ what do you think about us getting some hints there ? 1182475858 M * Bertl not a good idea :) 1182475869 M * Bertl thing is, we know how OpenVZ accounts memory 1182475889 M * Bertl first, it does it in a complicated and intrusive way with a lot of overhead 1182475899 M * Bertl second, it doesn't get it right either :) 1182475907 M * brcc_ hehehe 1182475917 M * Bertl I grant you that it 'looks more like the real thing' 1182475930 M * Bertl which is probably why they do it the way it is done 1182476085 M * brcc_ How could we get it more linux the real thing in linux-vserver ? 1182476096 M * brcc_ I wish that was fine so we could go on to the quota stuff hehe 1182476227 M * Bertl well, IIRC, I suggested to look at the current accounting (done in recent kernels, e.g. vs2.2.0) and tell me what values you would expect to see (comparison with real hardware) and what the accounting is showing 1182476295 M * brcc_ ok,i am using 2.2.0 1182476858 M * brcc_ so you want me to compare a real x a vserver 1182476866 M * brcc_ should i disable swap at the real server? 1182476906 M * Bertl nah, swap is fine, we want to provide that too 1182476923 M * Bertl you should just try to have the same apps running as on the virtual server 1182476938 M * Bertl which might require a little offset calculation 1182476956 M * Bertl i.e. get the values when newly started, and when you started a few servicess 1182477165 M * slacker403 man what does it take to order a pizza 1182477231 M * neuralis slacker403: a sound mastery of the internet 1182477293 M * brcc_ Bertl: ok, going to install exactly same OS image so the libs are the same. 1182477313 M * brcc_ Can i use vmware for that? I expect vmware to behave as a real server :) 1182477440 M * slacker403 neuralis: i call 3 times 1182477443 M * slacker403 still not here 1182477455 M * Bertl brcc_: probably good enough, just make sure to match the arch 1182478256 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-246-136.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1182479652 M * brcc_ ok 1182479660 M * brcc_ going to sleep! i will do the tests asap 1182479663 M * brcc_ gnight 1182479678 M * Bertl have a good one! 1182480435 M * slacker403 blah long day 1182481666 J * Sertj i@62.150.233.91 1182481678 M * Bertl welcome Sertj! 1182481915 J * LMissyQ tgillianf@CBL217-132-67-224.bb.netvision.net.il 1182481915 J * ScornerT ~BwantedJ@53531D82.cable.casema.nl 1182481915 J * RstingerW ALORD@81.181.17.10 1182481915 J * OthruE ~XhackingV@114.199.208.218.cbj02-home.tm.net.my 1182481915 J * QfiberE ~KH2D@249.62.94.219.brf01-home.tm.net.my 1182481915 J * Ylt3E ccortieg@195.39.186.11 1182481915 J * QadslK ~VwizardU@124.106.235.199 1182481917 J * OloadX ArOOn@62.215.21.42 1182481924 J * OuncoolA ~UpleaseN@86.60.66.116 1182481924 J * OShaggyG ~ZstormQ@62.162.228.130 1182481925 J * FlinkV ~Bmemories@89.144.71.252 1182481925 J * NoxygenH ~CdidaF@60.49.242.145 1182481925 J * VlongA ~GadjustF@62.150.215.54 1182481925 J * KscarfaceG ~YwavC@91.140.140.156 1182481926 J * YstunW ~BsurfingM@125.162.42.249 1182481927 J * XjakeG ~GmatrixY@86.62.228.111 1182481927 J * UarrowG ~XexitW@adsl196-186-108-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma 1182481927 J * GveruZ ~IwhereJ@203.111.235.2 1182481941 F * ChanServ +o Bertl 1182481942 J * IbabeF NexT@168.187.139.103 1182481946 P * OShaggyG 1182481946 P * OuncoolA 1182481946 J * OmontrealU ~FjawsB@124.6.166.20 1182481946 J * JdestroyO ~Alandrove@static-host210-2-132-200.khi.dancom.net.pk 1182481946 J * VcuteboyT ~OexpressH@auh-as30285.alshamil.net.ae 1182481946 P * JdestroyO 1182481946 P * OmontrealU 1182481946 P * VcuteboyT 1182481946 J * NfrenchJ ~AviewM@60.49.98.207 1182481947 P * GveruZ 1182481947 P * FlinkV 1182481947 P * NoxygenH 1182481947 P * UarrowG 1182481947 P * ScornerT 1182481947 P * RstingerW 1182481947 P * LMissyQ 1182481947 P * VlongA 1182481947 P * QfiberE 1182481947 P * OloadX 1182481947 P * OthruE 1182481947 P * KscarfaceG 1182481947 P * QadslK 1182481947 P * XjakeG 1182481947 P * NfrenchJ 1182481948 P * Ylt3E 1182481948 P * YstunW 1182481949 J * CnewY anoellax@adsl196-126-221-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma 1182481949 J * BwaveR brenaRx@168.187.163.125 1182481949 P * BwaveR 1182481949 J * QhackerzU clair1k@62.215.52.96 1182481951 P * QhackerzU 1182481952 P * CnewY 1182481954 P * IbabeF 1182481962 J * JcoverN tgillianf@CBL217-132-67-224.bb.netvision.net.il 1182481963 P * JcoverN 1182481963 J * MtheloveY ~BwantedJ@53531D82.cable.casema.nl 1182481963 J * FpointM brenaRx@168.187.163.125 1182481963 J * IranC ~ZstormQ@62.162.228.130 1182481963 J * LupdateA ~XhackingV@114.199.208.218.cbj02-home.tm.net.my 1182481963 J * SunixerP ~GadjustF@62.150.215.54 1182481963 J * LOfficeU ALORD@81.181.17.10 1182481963 J * RshelbyL ~UpleaseN@86.60.66.116 1182481963 J * UshoeV ~KH2D@249.62.94.219.brf01-home.tm.net.my 1182481963 J * UsoftS ~IwhereJ@203.111.235.2 1182481963 J * GwhiteI ~FjawsB@124.6.166.20 1182481963 J * PnatureS ~XexitW@adsl196-186-108-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma 1182481963 J * HsoftwareT ~YwavC@91.140.140.156 1182481963 J * FarsenalM ~Bmemories@89.144.71.252 1182481963 J * DTravelU ~GmatrixY@86.62.228.111 1182481963 J * HdodgeJ ArOOn@62.215.21.42 1182481963 J * SspiceH ~OexpressH@auh-as30285.alshamil.net.ae 1182481963 J * WbornZ ccortieg@195.39.186.11 1182481963 J * IswimH ~CdidaF@60.49.242.145 1182481963 J * ZducatiP ~VwizardU@124.106.235.199 1182481963 J * PcreamF ~BsurfingM@125.162.42.249 1182481964 P * RshelbyL 1182481964 P * IranC 1182481964 P * WbornZ 1182481964 P * GwhiteI 1182481964 J * MsupersQ NexT@168.187.139.103 1182481964 P * SspiceH 1182481964 J * UclearanceQ ~AviewM@60.49.98.207 1182481964 J * RshelbyL ~UpleaseN@86.60.66.116 1182481964 J * IranC ~ZstormQ@62.162.228.130 1182481964 P * PcreamF 1182481964 J * KopD ~Alandrove@static-host210-2-132-200.khi.dancom.net.pk 1182481965 P * UsoftS 1182481965 J * UsoftS ~IwhereJ@203.111.235.2 1182481965 P * FarsenalM 1182481965 J * FarsenalM ~Bmemories@89.144.71.252 1182481965 P * MtheloveY 1182481965 J * MtheloveY ~BwantedJ@53531D82.cable.casema.nl 1182481965 P * LOfficeU 1182481965 J * LOfficeU ALORD@81.181.17.10 1182481965 J * JcoverN tgillianf@CBL217-132-67-224.bb.netvision.net.il 1182481965 P * SunixerP 1182481965 P * UshoeV 1182481965 J * UshoeV ~KH2D@249.62.94.219.brf01-home.tm.net.my 1182481965 P * HdodgeJ 1182481965 P * PnatureS 1182481965 J * PnatureS ~XexitW@adsl196-186-108-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma 1182481965 P * LupdateA 1182481965 J * LupdateA ~XhackingV@114.199.208.218.cbj02-home.tm.net.my 1182481965 P * HsoftwareT 1182481965 J * HsoftwareT ~YwavC@91.140.140.156 1182481965 P * ZducatiP 1182481965 J * ZducatiP ~VwizardU@124.106.235.199 1182481965 P * FpointM 1182481965 J * FpointM brenaRx@168.187.163.125 1182481965 P * DTravelU 1182481965 J * DTravelU ~GmatrixY@86.62.228.111 1182481965 J * HdodgeJ ArOOn@62.215.21.42 1182481965 P * KopD 1182481965 J * GwhiteI ~FjawsB@124.6.166.20 1182481966 J * WbornZ ccortieg@195.39.186.11 1182481966 P * MsupersQ 1182481966 J * MsupersQ NexT@168.187.139.103 1182481966 J * PcreamF ~BsurfingM@125.162.42.249 1182481966 P * UclearanceQ 1182481966 J * SspiceH ~OexpressH@auh-as30285.alshamil.net.ae 1182481966 J * UclearanceQ ~AviewM@60.49.98.207 1182481966 J * TshadowB clair1k@62.215.52.96 1182481967 J * UcoverY anoellax@adsl196-126-221-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma 1182481967 J * NjawsI ~GadjustF@62.150.215.54 1182481967 J * KopD ~Alandrove@static-host210-2-132-200.khi.dancom.net.pk 1182481967 Q * HdodgeJ Max SendQ exceeded 1182481968 P * UcoverY 1182481968 P * TshadowB 1182481968 P * IswimH 1182481969 P * JcoverN 1182481969 J * IswimH ~CdidaF@60.49.242.145 1182481970 P * GwhiteI 1182481970 J * GWKJ clair1k@62.215.52.96 1182481970 P * SspiceH 1182481970 P * RshelbyL 1182481970 P * WbornZ 1182481970 P * IranC 1182481970 P * PcreamF 1182481971 P * MtheloveY 1182481971 P * LOfficeU 1182481971 P * NjawsI 1182481971 P * KopD 1182481971 P * UshoeV 1182481971 P * LupdateA 1182481971 P * HsoftwareT 1182481971 P * ZducatiP 1182481971 P * FpointM 1182481971 P * DTravelU 1182481971 P * UsoftS 1182481971 P * FarsenalM 1182481971 P * PnatureS 1182481971 J * PsativaG anoellax@adsl196-126-221-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma 1182481972 P * MsupersQ 1182481972 P * UclearanceQ 1182481973 P * IswimH 1182481974 P * PsativaG 1182481974 P * GWKJ 1182481982 F * Bertl +is 1182482287 M * Bertl Sertj: I hope you are not related to this nonsense? 1182482338 Q * Sertj Quit: ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ScriptiSOnLyOps°·.¸¸.->¿¿¿¿¿¿¿<-.¸¸.·°DownLoad at: 1182482625 F * Bertl -is 1182482639 F * Bertl -o Bertl 1182483194 M * slacker403 openVCP is more cool then i thought 1182483205 M * slacker403 it controls vservers pretty good 1182483226 M * Bertl great! 1182483239 M * slacker403 you should try it out 1182483269 M * Bertl already did, some time ago 1182483290 M * slacker403 the SVN 1182483294 M * slacker403 they imrpoved it quite a bit 1182483299 M * slacker403 i added a bunch myself 1182483308 M * slacker403 uses iptables for bandwidth 1182483314 M * slacker403 i added a billing thing 1182483322 M * slacker403 openVPS is crap though 1182483331 M * Bertl k, will take a look at it again soon ... 1182483369 M * slacker403 i already got 10 new customers just because of that panel 1182483657 M * Bertl wow! impressive! 1182483692 M * slacker403 Bertl: thats a nifty peice of software 1182483709 M * slacker403 anytime you can give someone instant restore start stop / restart 1182483727 M * slacker403 when other companies well alot dont even do that 1182483729 M * slacker403 then yea 1182484934 Q * Johnnie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182486441 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1182486445 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1182486710 Q * samueltc Quit: samueltc 1182486993 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182488632 J * eSa| ~kvirc@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it 1182488668 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1182488775 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@proteus.croup.de 1182488775 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer 1182488834 N * Hollow_ Hollow 1182489160 Q * fullsick 1182490560 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182491028 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann[PullA] 1182491819 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182492508 J * mountie ~mountie@CPE000f66950c89-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1182493714 J * dna ~naucki@160-200-dsl.kielnet.net 1182493773 J * HeinMueck ~Miranda@dslb-088-064-000-071.pools.arcor-ip.net 1182494081 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1182496849 M * slacker403 anyone up ? 1182496945 A * arachnist 1182496967 M * arachnist probably the least useful person around 1182497008 M * slacker403 lol 1182497013 M * slacker403 arachnist: you use vserver ? 1182497032 M * arachnist usually i do, but not at the moment 1182497081 M * slacker403 what distro is your host server ? 1182497145 M * arachnist gentoo 1182497161 M * slacker403 hmmmmm 1182497167 M * arachnist or at least will be, when i set everything back up 1182497189 M * slacker403 hmmm 1182497198 M * slacker403 yea 1182497203 M * slacker403 i am using debian 1182497210 M * slacker403 jus casue its already installed on the host server 1182497212 M * arachnist (debian just doesn't cut it...) 1182497224 M * slacker403 what do you need ? 1182497232 M * arachnist a useable package manager? 1182497246 M * slacker403 aptitude ? 1182497249 M * arachnist paludis 1182497251 M * slacker403 apt-get ? 1182497251 M * slacker403 ;) 1182497256 M * slacker403 i dont need anything fancy 1182497302 M * slacker403 jus something to work 1182497333 M * slacker403 all im doing to my host is adding bind and vserver to my host server 1182497346 M * arachnist there are some paludis features that simply make life easier 1182497351 M * arachnist like hooks and sets 1182497362 M * slacker403 arachnist: do you know what file it is so bind just runs on the host ip and doesnt mess up my other ip's ? 1182497378 M * arachnist nope 1182497385 M * arachnist never messed with bind 1182497415 M * slacker403 do you use a DNS server ? 1182497417 M * arachnist i only use dnsmasq 1182497694 M * derjohn3 slacker403, you want to run bind (DNS) within a guest ? 1182497710 M * derjohn3 slacker403, which VS Version do you use ? 1182497774 M * derjohn3 slacker403, if you just want bind only to bind to one IP, you can a) configure that in binds conf or b) use "chbind" command of verserver. you would not need a full guest. 1182497881 M * sannes slacker403: man named.conf, it gives you all the details of how to make it listen on a specific ip I believe 1182498328 M * slacker403 no 1182498335 M * slacker403 ah 1182498339 M * slacker403 sannes: thanks 1182498382 M * sid3windr :P 1182498386 M * sid3windr fancy that, a manual page 1182500568 J * gypsymauro ~Io@84.18.151.77 1182500569 M * gypsymauro hi 1182500616 M * gypsymauro what's the best way to move a vserver guest from a machine to another? I'm using debian and I c a lot of symlinks, there is doc about that? 1182500674 M * DavidS move /etc/vservers/VS_NAME and /var/lib/vservers/VS_NAME .. that should be all you need 1182500688 M * DavidS of course default settings should be the same on both 1182500698 M * DavidS network interface names might be a problem too ... 1182500732 M * gypsymauro DavidS: once I done this but at boot vserver takes a lot, it sounds like it checks every file.. 1182500795 M * DavidS i don't understand 1182501565 M * gypsymauro DavidS: after moved the directory of vserver on another partition of my disks when the machine start vserver .."extension" takes 1-2 minutes to boot up 1182501846 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@10.196-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be 1182501930 M * DavidS gypsymauro: what did you use to move the dir? 1182501970 M * DavidS I presume you already checked, that it is no "mere" performance problem 1182502021 M * gypsymauro DavidS: suppose I've vserver in /vserver directory but now I want it on /opt/vserver if I move the dir this makes the boot of machine slow down and is when the vserver part does something, I can hear the disk working 1182502258 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182502567 M * DavidS gypsymauro: what command did you use to move the dir? 1182502634 J * eSa| ~kvirc@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it 1182502742 M * gypsymauro DavidS: cp 1182502755 M * gypsymauro DavidS: even with tar 1182502858 M * DavidS ok 1182502866 M * DavidS at least it was nothing trivial :) 1182502960 J * cedric ~cedric@80.70.39.67 1182502962 M * gypsymauro :D 1182502981 M * DavidS uhm .. when the destination dir has a different name than the source dir, then you have to adapt the vdir symlink in the config to the new location 1182503005 M * DavidS (and not forget to set the barrier in the file system 1182503006 M * DavidS ) 1182503238 M * gypsymauro DavidS: what's the barrier? 1182503264 M * DavidS it's a special flag set in the file system to prevent chroot-escapes 1182503293 M * gypsymauro uhm I'll lose it when copying files? 1182503305 M * DavidS Debian's init script (or pacakging scripts) sets it automatically on /var/lib/vservers 1182503321 M * DavidS it has to be on the parent directory AFAIK, but check the wiki or the scripts 1182503326 M * gypsymauro doh! 1182503336 M * DavidS actually AFAIbelieve ;) 1182503357 M * DavidS I usually (bind-)mount the space I need into /var/lib/vservers 1182503361 M * Adrinael_ It sets it to $vdiractual/.. 1182503379 M * Adrinael_ vdiractual=`readlink -f /etc/vservers/$vserver/vdir` 1182503394 M * slacker403 any of you trying ot make a quick 1 k ;) ? 1182503410 M * DavidS slacker403: always :) 1182503413 M * Adrinael_ No, er 1182503417 M * Adrinael_ I misread this 1182503423 M * Adrinael_ No, I'm not 1182503430 M * slacker403 i need something done quick and i will be out tomorrow hmmm 1182503430 M * DavidS Adrinael_: does that mean the barrier is set on vserver start? 1182503447 M * Adrinael_ Dunno, I'm just grepping the init script =) 1182503465 M * Adrinael_ A barrier is also set on $vrootactual, which is 1182503466 M * Adrinael_ vrootactual=`readlink -f /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase` 1182503466 M * DavidS slacker403: depends. I do linux consulting 1182503484 M * slacker403 a fancy way of saying getting paid ot tell people what to do ? 1182503553 M * DavidS slacker403: system design, implementation and training on the job 1182503599 M * slacker403 i know how ot do it, i do alot of reading .......... its just i dont feel like doign it and c0onfiging shit ofr 5 hours plus i am busy remainder of the week 1182503606 M * slacker403 wow 1182503608 M * slacker403 typos 1182503629 M * slacker403 its dark in here lol 1182503630 M * DavidS that would count in the "implementation" category then :) 1182503654 M * slacker403 where you live ? 1182503660 M * DavidS austria 1182503676 M * slacker403 and you Bertl_zZ 1182503677 M * slacker403 ? 1182503686 M * DavidS approximatly 80km from here IIRC 1182503704 M * slacker403 so different people 1182503708 M * DavidS yeah 1182503713 M * slacker403 age ? 1182503715 M * slacker403 just curious 1182503717 M * DavidS I'm "just another happy vserver user" 1182503775 M * DavidS My english ohmepage is a bit out of date but gives the major cornerstones. http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?DavidSchmitt 1182503789 M * DavidS I'm looking better now though, than on the pictures there :) 1182503804 M * slacker403 is that you ? 1182503850 M * DavidS yeah .. I was very sick two years ago and lost 20 kg .. now I'm up to strength again :) 1182503859 M * slacker403 sorry i see the cancer part now 1182503863 M * slacker403 how old are you again ? 1182503880 M * DavidS I'll be 28 in a few days 1182503885 M * slacker403 sucks 1182503890 M * slacker403 got it that early ? 1182503893 M * slacker403 family histroy ? 1182503907 M * DavidS no, it was one of those "get it young or never"-types 1182503922 M * slacker403 damn 1182503949 M * slacker403 did it almost get you ? 1182503962 M * slacker403 or were you ok all the way ? 1182504043 M * slacker403 atleast your doing better now 1182504051 M * DavidS I'm 1.90m (that's 6ft something) and had 52 kg (116 pund) at the lowest point. had i gone to the doctors a few weeks later, I wouldn't be here now 1182504069 M * slacker403 damn 1182504082 M * DavidS there was a good quote from my german page: 1182504101 M * DavidS "I guess the ones of the people who weren't so lucky would look worse." -- "No. They're dead." :)) 1182504116 M * slacker403 lol 1182504125 M * slacker403 well i cant imagine what you went through 1182504128 M * slacker403 looks like bad shit 1182504140 M * DavidS slacker403: there are days i don't believe it myself :) 1182504150 M * slacker403 is it gone now ? 1182504189 M * slacker403 like hopefully for good ? 1182504203 M * DavidS it never will be .. but only 2% of the people -- who survived as long as i did -- did at a later time from the cancer 1182504212 M * DavidS s/did/died/2 1182504223 M * DavidS it never will be .. but only 2% of the people -- who survived as long as i did -- di_e_d at a later time from the cancer 1182504232 M * slacker403 ah 1182504237 M * slacker403 so your pretty much good ? 1182504237 M * slacker403 :P 1182504282 M * DavidS directly after therapy I had a 45% chance .. so I guess I'm pretty lucky ... 1182504297 M * slacker403 damn 1182504298 M * DavidS survival chance that is 1182504312 M * slacker403 im impressed 1182504319 M * DavidS lol :)) 1182504332 M * slacker403 i jus had an aunt die of cancer 1182504344 M * slacker403 47 i think 1182504393 M * DavidS I feel with you .. I met a few guys and gals at the hospital who were sick too ... one of them had it from family history. his sister died a few years from the same he now had :-( 1182504426 M * slacker403 damn 1182504439 M * slacker403 and i get pissed i wasnt born with perfect vision 1182504448 M * slacker403 i have to wear contacts :D 1182504472 M * DavidS this was almost harder for me than my own sickness .... because i couldn't do anything about it .. in the end though it's every one's own problem though .. somehow the weeks in the hospital made me callous to a certain degree 1182504487 M * DavidS slacker403: does it help that i'm wearing glasses too? :-P 1182504491 M * slacker403 lol 1182504510 M * slacker403 you from austria or germany ? 1182504524 M * DavidS austria, I'll be living in germany for the next years though 1182504530 M * slacker403 ah 1182504535 M * slacker403 im jus from the usa 1182504539 M * slacker403 Miami florida 1182504544 M * slacker403 south east usa 1182504576 M * DavidS that sounds like a nice place to be 1182504590 M * slacker403 you have heard of it ? :P 1182504636 M * DavidS I'm tempted to say "of course". we do have tv and "miami vice" over here too, you know ;))) 1182504658 M * slacker403 csi miami :P 1182504669 M * DavidS even that :) 1182504684 M * slacker403 but yea its a beautiful city, they try really hard to keep it looking super 1182504719 Q * gypsymauro Quit: leaving 1182504744 M * slacker403 well spend alot of money == trying :P 1182504745 M * slacker403 but yea 1182504746 M * DavidS I was in Las Vegas/San Francisco/Hollywood 10 years ago .. very interesting too 1182504757 M * slacker403 summer ? 1182504761 M * DavidS slacker403: city officials are the same all over the world ;) 1182504783 M * slacker403 i will never go back out west 1182504790 M * slacker403 i was in nevada 1182504802 M * DavidS spring. it was actually for a conference in Las Vegas (cheap hotels, you know) and I spent another week in SF and hollywood 1182504816 M * slacker403 on horseback on this little thing some friend talked me into it, we got lost middle of the desert sand dunes ........sand storm came i thought i was dead 1182504842 M * DavidS so you had your own near death experience too ;-) 1182504854 M * slacker403 i think you were a tad closer :P 1182504860 M * slacker403 it was a midl sand storm 1182504865 M * slacker403 those things can kill you, well they do 1182504947 M * slacker403 but yea miami is more hot 1182504955 M * slacker403 but yea so im setitng up a box with vserver 1182504958 M * slacker403 another one 1182504966 M * slacker403 and i wanted this one setup a little different 1182504974 M * DavidS anyways .. back to those 1k (USD presumably). that would get you 7-8hours of my work at current rates. yesterday i counted and I'm currently at 5 hosts with ~70 guests 1182504977 M * slacker403 and ddint have the time so i was looking to pay someone 1182504998 M * DavidS define "a little different" 1182505030 M * slacker403 debain instead of gentoo on host ? ;) 1182505057 M * DavidS that's good .. I've got only debian experience :) 1182505073 M * slacker403 yea and a custom distro made 1182505080 M * slacker403 thats the catch :P 1182505100 M * DavidS so you need some CD made to install vserver-enabled hosts? 1182505116 M * slacker403 well a .tar :P 1182505127 M * DavidS a tar of the host? 1182505144 M * slacker403 guest 1182505178 M * DavidS vserver new_name build -m debootstrap -- -d etch -m http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian 1182505205 M * slacker403 i need a custom debian guest distro made 1182505209 M * DavidS tar cvzf result.tar.gz /var/lib/vserver/new_name /etc/vservers/new_name 1182505221 M * DavidS oh .. i was wondering if it would really be so easy.. 1182505222 M * DavidS ;) 1182505232 M * Adrinael_ Absolute paths in a .tar, that ought to be fun later on 1182505234 M * slacker403 like bind postfix lighttpd configured 1182505248 M * DavidS I currently use puppet to configure my vservers 1182505257 M * slacker403 puppet ? 1182505269 M * DavidS cfengine replacement on steroids 1182505274 M * slacker403 ah 1182505287 M * slacker403 im still kinda un decided with everything that i want 1182505290 M * DavidS i.e. you can actually do something with it without bleeding eyes 1182505388 M * DavidS slacker403: can you actually type up the corner stones of what you need: apps, how should they be configured (external/with scripts/once), how should updates work... 1182505451 M * DavidS I could e.g. deliver a image containing the full host+configstuff+guests 1182505523 M * DavidS please send it to office@edv-bus.at then i can give you a more realistic quote 1182505550 M * slacker403 yea 1182505558 M * slacker403 as i said im still kinda deciding what i want 1182505564 M * DavidS from the sound of it though, I would propose a script to run post vserver-build time to install and run puppet to configure the rest 1182505636 M * DavidS if it is pressing, i can do the first 8 hours work on sunday. 1182505757 M * DavidS and of course we need to work something out how i can be reasonably sure that i will actually see the money in the end :) 1182505835 M * DavidS now i need to wrap myself around some food. I'll be available later again 1182506513 J * HeinMueck41 ~Miranda@dslb-088-065-246-075.pools.arcor-ip.net 1182506796 Q * HeinMueck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182507712 Q * matti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182508135 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-198-103.pools.arcor-ip.net 1182508203 J * dreamind ~dreamind@p54A7B341.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1182508238 N * dreamind Guest68 1182508879 N * Guest68 dreamind 1182509834 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1182510793 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1182513026 M * awk hmm has anyone had sucess building a guest that requires a specialized setup, eg: trixbox, clarkconnect, things like that? 1182513030 M * awk any ideas on how to go abours doing these installs? 1182513739 J * fatgoose ~samuel@204.19.247.184 1182514852 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1182514986 M * ard hmmm 1182515014 M * ard should the latest version not be 2.2.1rc3? (instead of 2.2.0rc3...) 1182515030 M * ard since delta-pid_task-fix01.diff is in that version 1182515242 M * daniel_hozac it's 2.2.0-rc3 for 2.6.21. 1182515369 M * ard but what about the delta-pid_task-fix01.diff? 1182515381 M * ard that's not in 2.2.0 for 2.6.19.7 1182515567 M * DavidS back 1182515889 M * DavidS awk: install the guest on a new box and tar/rsync it then you "only" have to provide an appropriate kernel and priviledges 1182516231 M * daniel_hozac ard: because it's not important for <2.6.21. 1182517371 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254 1182517854 Q * fatgoose Quit: fatgoose 1182517996 M * micah daniel_hozac: do you agree with Ola's final message in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378673 that this is not a bug and wont be fixed upstream? 1182518210 J * ninou ~sylvain_f@bredele.imag.fr 1182518215 M * ninou hi 1182518217 M * daniel_hozac well, if someone gives me a patch for it, (i.e. rm -f for chroot-sh) i wouldn't reject it. 1182518222 M * daniel_hozac hello ninou 1182518286 M * Hollow why does util-vserver clean /var? 1182518297 M * ninou why mounting nfs directory in vserver/fstab use 5 minutes to start ? 1182518309 M * daniel_hozac it cleans /var/run. 1182518328 M * Hollow shouldnÄt that be rcs job? 1182518332 M * daniel_hozac (for the sysv initstyle) 1182518336 M * Hollow or init or whatever 1182518339 M * daniel_hozac no, that's part of the sysinit script. 1182518340 M * Hollow ah 1182518350 M * daniel_hozac which isn't run for sysv. 1182518370 M * Hollow ok, in gentoo we have an init script for cleanup :) 1182518397 M * daniel_hozac you also execute the boot runlevel, no? 1182518433 M * Hollow yep.. 1182518521 M * Hollow i don't think that it should be util-vservers job, regardless of init style, but i guess i'm a minority in that regard :) 1182518528 M * daniel_hozac btw, i wanted to run something by you... http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2691 1182518559 M * daniel_hozac well, for the sysv initstyle, util-vserver assumes the responsibilities of init and the sysinit scripts. 1182518567 M * daniel_hozac (since neither of those are run) 1182518624 M * Hollow hm, should this patch fix something, or just change semantics? 1182518633 M * daniel_hozac no fix, just cleanup. 1182518644 M * Hollow ok, because we still need a fix here :) 1182518659 M * daniel_hozac so it's still broken? 1182518663 M * Hollow at least for the shutdown case it somehow doesn't work 1182518703 M * Hollow and some people reported that colo works, but they get weird chars 1182518714 M * Hollow crap.. 1182518798 M * daniel_hozac ninou: have you tried using fstab.remote insteaed? 1182518800 M * daniel_hozac -e 1182518807 M * ninou no 1182518856 M * daniel_hozac could also be because you're not running portmap on the host. 1182518865 M * daniel_hozac have you checked dmesg there? 1182518938 M * ninou portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out 1182518951 M * ninou RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). 1182519012 M * daniel_hozac so, there you go. 1182519019 M * daniel_hozac start portmap. 1182519132 M * ninou how ? 1182519276 M * ninou ok found 1182519333 M * ninou daniel_hozac: thanks 1182519338 Q * ninou Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [Iceape 1.0.9/2007051000] 1182519341 M * DavidS slacker403: of course I can also provide decision support ;) 1182520231 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1182521612 Q * svenk_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182521903 M * nox how can i get rid of the device-mapper: table: 253:0 lvm error?i find paste of the error but no solution @google? 1182521945 M * nox make initrd without lvm? 1182522165 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1182522264 J * svenk ~sven@213.73.89.36 1182523960 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.127.111.125 1182524327 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1182524747 J * coderanger_ ~laptop@wireless-247.media.mit.edu 1182524981 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182525072 J * eSa| ~kvirc@ip-87-238-2-45.adsl.cheapnet.it 1182525440 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-2-66-98.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net 1182525794 J * bzed ~bzed@10-205-116-85.dsl.manitu.net 1182525861 Q * hallyn_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182526633 Q * eSa| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182526673 Q * James1 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1182526913 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1182526923 M * Bertl morning folks! 1182526941 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182527140 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1182527194 M * Bertl wb stefani! 1182527247 M * stefani h. 1182528126 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182530524 M * nox Bertl: how can i get rid of the device-mapper: table: 253:0 lvm error?i find paste of the error but no solution @google? make initrd without lvm? 1182530720 M * Bertl what _is_ the problem for you? 1182530722 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4ECBF.dip.t-dialin.net 1182530772 M * nox the logspam 1182530781 M * Bertl show me! 1182530789 M * Bertl (paste.linux-vserver.org :) 1182530840 Q * chand Quit: chand 1182530896 M * nox grep "device-mapper: table: 253:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed" /var/log/syslog | wc -l 1182530899 M * nox 250400 1182530915 M * nox in aprox 4hours :D 1182530935 M * Bertl who is looking that one up in such a short interval? 1182530944 M * nox dunno 1182530969 M * nox 1.8GB time is left ^^ 1182531028 M * Bertl look, IMHO you have a problem on that machine, and the syslog message gives you a hint that something is wrong 1182531043 M * nox damn lvm 1182531051 M * Bertl but, the problem is not the message, the issue is what causes the _lookups_ 1182531073 M * Bertl first, please upload at least one of those messages to pastebin 1182531101 M * nox ofcause it is exacr the msg from the grep 1182531107 M * nox always the same 1182531147 M * Bertl hmm, so that is not even a Linux-VServer message? 1182531159 M * daniel_hozac nope. 1182531229 M * nox well sry then didn?t want to blame vserver i am still completly happy with it :D 1182531230 M * Bertl so I further conclude that the lookup happens on the host 1182531238 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1182531253 M * Bertl at least usually the guest has no lvm devices 1182531269 M * nox i guess it has to do with the (completly senseless) lvm integration on ubuntu 1182531283 M * Bertl soo .. something on your host system is constantly calling some kind of lv/pv/vgscan 1182531291 M * nox yes never will want to use lvm ^^ 1182531318 M * Bertl lvm is quite fine and works perfectly, just because ubuntu messes it up, doesn't make it bad per se 1182531354 M * Bertl it is quite a lot faster and has less overhead than the loop device for example 1182531389 M * Bertl nox: did you try to confront the ubuntu folks with this issue? maybe they have some idea/solution? 1182531483 M * nox yes gonna try that way 1182531548 M * nox just because it happened with the new vps kernel and first hit at google was paste.linux-vserver.org/pastebin.php?dl=2570 , i thought i try another stupid question here :D 1182531908 M * Bertl hehe, who pasted that? 1182531924 M * Bertl maybe it got resolved in the meantime and he knows how :) 1182531937 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce 1182532293 Q * Wonka Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182532524 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de 1182532773 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, I uploaded 2.0.3-rc3 yesterday, just forgot to mention it :) 1182532837 M * daniel_hozac hehe, okay. 1182532913 M * eyck are there SuSe vserver templates available? Wiki suggests that the only way to run SuSe in vserver guest is to first install it on physical hardware, is that correct? 1182532942 M * daniel_hozac no. 1182532947 M * Bertl I think suse needs very recent tools to work properly (at least modern suse) 1182532950 M * daniel_hozac you should be able to install it with the yum build method 1182532950 J * routed ~guilherme@201.22.206.159.adsl.gvt.net.br 1182532964 M * daniel_hozac (after creating the necessary directories with repository information, etc.) 1182532965 M * Bertl welcome routed! 1182532981 M * daniel_hozac but yes, you need trunk to start/stop SuSE guests. 1182533013 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, what about debootstraping debian and ubuntu on the same machine? is this supported in trunk? 1182533028 M * daniel_hozac not yet, but that's one of the things i intend to add soon. 1182533050 M * Bertl ah, good to know ... and the static rpm issue? resolved? 1182533063 M * daniel_hozac not yet... i'm planning on attacking that tonight. 1182533079 M * daniel_hozac not quite sure how to handle the usernames/groupnames. 1182533081 M * Bertl excellent! let me know when you have something you want tested 1182533086 M * daniel_hozac i will. 1182533095 M * derjohn hm, is it the intended behavior that 'vserver-stat' doesnt show the 'root server' anymore since .213 ? 1182533099 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1182533107 M * daniel_hozac it had no business there in the first place, IMHO. 1182533118 M * Bertl I completely agree 1182533144 M * eyck daniel_hozac: thnks 1182533169 M * Bertl although it was nice to see how much less a guest would take :) 1182533181 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1182533198 M * derjohn yes, and even the name was misleading. (we always speak of "host" ...). And the RSS / VSZ value which were shown there ? 1182533213 M * eyck hmm 1182533215 M * daniel_hozac same as for the guests, the sum of the processes. 1182533229 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.213 does the right thing and asks the kernel. 1182533261 M * derjohn ah, ok. I think i have to adapt some scripts that work via vserver-stat, tail , grep and wc .... 1182533269 M * derjohn did 212 nor ask the kernel ? 1182533273 M * daniel_hozac nope. 1182533287 M * derjohn some crytsal ball? /proc ? 1182533288 M * daniel_hozac just summed up the /proc values. 1182533293 M * derjohn ok 1182533295 M * derjohn fine ... 1182533316 M * derjohn that might explain, why I saw mem values labeled "15+" 1182533446 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, is there any reason why the name of a guest is truncated to 21 chars in vserver-stat ? (brakes some scripts) 1182533463 M * Bertl 21, interesting ... 1182533474 M * derjohn /me is not good in counting 1182533494 M * derjohn echo TESTING-aps-qi-2-vir | wc 1182533494 M * derjohn 1 1 21 1182533494 M * daniel_hozac 80 character wide output maybe? i don't know actually :) 1182533506 M * derjohn my terminal ? 1182533510 M * derjohn let me see ... 1182533568 M * daniel_hozac no, i mean vserver-stat. 1182533577 M * daniel_hozac so it doesn't overflow terminals of that size. 1182533587 M * daniel_hozac but yes, it is getting truncated to 20. 1182533603 M * daniel_hozac (18 for legacy guests) 1182533643 M * derjohn well, I should consider to be shorter in order to make it work ;) 1182533679 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: we might make that 32 (which is currently the kernel limit) 1182533696 M * Bertl and/or check for terminal width? 1182533711 M * Hollow 32? isn't utsname 64 + \0? 1182533715 M * daniel_hozac that makes sense. 1182533727 M * Bertl hmm, correct, 64 it is 1182533741 M * daniel_hozac but /etc/vservers/ is stored in the name too. 1182533747 M * Hollow ah 1182533747 A * Bertl is still living in oldold_uts :) 1182533750 M * Hollow heh 1182533767 M * daniel_hozac (or /usr/local/etc/vservers/ depending on the configuration) 1182533785 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: the question is, does it make sense to store that there? 1182533803 M * Hollow .oO(symlink hell) 1182533804 M * Hollow :) 1182533822 M * daniel_hozac well, you can have guests in multiple directories. 1182533841 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: AFAIK, the vserver commands are not working with /etc1/vservers/guest and /etc2/vservers/guest no? 1182533841 M * daniel_hozac i.e. vserver /etc/vservers5/test start should work fine. 1182533854 M * Bertl really? 1182533868 M * daniel_hozac they certainly should, and the code is there. 1182533876 M * daniel_hozac so i don't see why not. 1182533878 M * Bertl okay, then it makes sense :) 1182533933 M * derjohn interesting, wc counts the linefeed as character, an echo -n gives the the "correct" 20: echo -n "TESTING-aps-qi-2-vir"| wc 1182533933 M * derjohn 0 1 20 1182533955 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: as usual, I leave those userspace decisions in your caring hands :) 1182534050 M * daniel_hozac hehe :) 1182534312 Q * cedric Quit: cedric 1182534564 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1182534832 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1182536165 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1182536266 J * James1 ~jltaylor@72.24.216.31 1182536682 P * James1 1182537323 M * slacker403 good day Bertl daniel_hozac etc 1182537834 J * sauron ~zeus16384@12.20.4.100 1182537846 M * sauron hi all, do you guys know some test scripts for vsched? 1182537858 M * sauron I want to simulate high cpu load but i dont have any scripts for this 1182537896 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/cpuhog.c 1182537910 M * daniel_hozac (or maybe http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/cpuhog-0.02.c) 1182537947 M * sauron thanks!! 1182537988 M * coderanger_ Bertl: Is there any significant overhead involved in making a new container? 1182538031 M * daniel_hozac it's not a hot path, so there might be. 1182538072 M * daniel_hozac but in practice, there shouldn't be anything really noticable... 1182538627 P * drkvg 1182538941 Q * s0undt3ch Remote host closed the connection 1182538987 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@80.69.34.154 1182539025 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl 1182539814 M * sauron by the way... i am having a real hard time trying to fit all my processes into memory :( I dont have much 1182539838 M * sauron trying to think of all ways.. I already vhashified all I could 1182539856 M * daniel_hozac then the solution is probably, get more RAM. 1182539862 M * sauron i cant :( 1182539871 M * daniel_hozac (unless you're willing to change the applications to ones that require less) 1182539884 M * sauron yeah I kepp trying from there also 1182539884 M * daniel_hozac why can't you? 1182539906 M * sauron cause its not my app 1182539908 M * sauron commercial 1182539915 M * sauron just was tying all I can with its config params 1182539918 M * sauron so it eats less 1182539928 M * daniel_hozac so that's why you can't get more RAM? 1182539950 M * sauron oh I though you asked why cant I make app use less ram 1182539955 M * sauron well, i run my test on my laptop 1182539963 M * sauron and its maxed out. I am waiting on a bigger server 1182539969 M * sauron but it has some probs, not ready yet 1182539974 M * sauron but I want to move w/ my project. 1182539988 M * coderanger_ swap 1182539994 M * sauron bigger server runs on vmware esx 1182540009 M * sauron and it has some weird error with buslogic driver when I compile this spec kernel for vserver 1182540019 M * sauron so my colleague is working on a workaround there 1182540045 M * sauron swap yes... its just slow. but that will be it. too bad I have to refdisk my hdd for that again to make more. or add another small hdd w/ swap 1182540088 M * coderanger_ You can also use a swap file, instead of a swap partition, it will just be a bit slower 1182540100 M * sauron really 1182540101 M * sauron I didnt know that 1182540118 M * sauron its not mkswap is it the way you create it? 1182540158 M * coderanger_ mkswap /swap 1024 1182540177 M * coderanger_ You need to make the file first though 1182540187 M * coderanger_ read the manpage, it shows how to do it 1182540204 M * sauron oki 1182540204 M * sauron thanks 1182540205 M * sauron ! 1182540241 M * sauron this vstat is a really neat feature 1182540252 M * sauron I wish it could be used in other situations somehow too 1182540258 M * sauron sorry vsched 1182540259 M * sauron I mean 1182540262 M * coderanger_ If you really need to speed, you can also do a network block device + gigE + ramdisk on a remote machine. Hilarious but works. 1182540272 M * sauron wow 1182540288 M * sauron sounds like frankenstein 1182540317 M * sauron quick q: vstat can only be used in vservers right? 1182540333 M * sauron can't it also be used to say slow down a process on an ordinary server? 1182540346 M * sauron sorry s/vstat/vsched/ I drank too much 1182540367 M * daniel_hozac if that process is running in a vserver context, you can use vsched. 1182540382 M * sauron but if not.... 1182540404 M * daniel_hozac then no. 1182540424 M * sauron i see. too bad, I really want solutions where processes can be 'throttled' 1182540441 M * sauron too any OSs just crash when there is pressure instead of slowing down some proc's 1182540463 M * sauron but there are some apps that let you slow them down 1182540471 M * sauron any=many 1182540474 M * daniel_hozac so, start using Linux-VServer everywhere? 1182540482 M * sauron that's one idea 1182540491 M * sauron but I am afraid of potential reception 1182540498 M * sauron because poeple are afraid of its overhead 1182540502 M * sauron (whatever tiny) 1182540517 M * coderanger_ Are they the same people who use -0400? 1182540518 M * sauron cause in some servers we need very very much speed 1182540530 M * coderanger_ er, -O400 1182540545 M * sauron sorry what is -O400 1182540624 M * coderanger_ A joke about people using gcc optimizations, I would point to funroll-loops.org, but I think it went away 1182540644 M * sauron ah. I thought it must be somethign like that 1182540789 Q * routed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182542801 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182543375 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:5c0:85e2:0:20b:5dff:fec7:6b33 1182543433 Q * sauron 1182543530 J * mountie ~mountie@CPE000f66950c89-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1182544316 M * Bertl back now ... we had a network outage 1182544400 M * Bertl coderanger_: not really, but of course, there is some amount of time required to create one, so you should not create a million of them per second and expect it to have no effect on the machine :) 1182544435 M * coderanger_ Bertl: But at the level of making one per second it should be fine, no? 1182544445 M * Bertl coderanger_: the context creation will consume slightly more than a new 'user' struct (insidee kernel) has 1182544464 M * Bertl coderanger_: which is significantly less than tthe process creation itself 1182544489 M * Bertl one per second should not be noticeable 1182544496 M * coderanger_ okay 1182544507 M * Bertl well, actually it should not even be detectable from the resource consumption 1182544580 M * Bertl note that the clone/fork time and resource consumption will be a magnitude higher 1182546020 J * James1 ~jltaylor@72.24.216.31 1182546206 Q * derjohn3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182548224 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182548503 P * James1 1182548758 Q * HeinMueck41 Quit: Aah! 1182549006 J * HeinMueck ~Miranda@dslb-088-065-246-075.pools.arcor-ip.net 1182549895 J * SonicUltima ~SonicUlti@adsl-76-198-235-166.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net 1182549905 M * SonicUltima hi 1182549908 M * Bertl welcome SonicUltima! 1182549922 M * SonicUltima o............k 1182549924 M * SonicUltima np 1182549956 M * SonicUltima hello? 1182549963 M * Bertl SonicUltima: don't want to talk to a bot? 1182549966 M * SonicUltima is anyone gonna speak? 1182549978 M * SonicUltima y? 1182549986 M * Bertl why? 1182549999 M * SonicUltima bertl 1182550010 M * SonicUltima is anyone gonnna talk? 1182550015 M * Bertl about what? 1182550025 M * SonicUltima u know chat 1182550033 M * Bertl like we do right now? 1182550042 M * SonicUltima damn 1182550054 M * SonicUltima click 1182550065 M * SonicUltima bragon 1182550076 M * SonicUltima coderanger 1182550081 M * Bertl try with complete phrases ... :) 1182550091 M * SonicUltima .............. 1182550099 M * SonicUltima >:( 1182550132 M * Bertl well, can't help you then :) 1182550180 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182550207 J * oxylin ~jpeeters@chv78-2-88-161-189-78.fbx.proxad.net 1182550217 M * oxylin hi everybody 1182550224 M * Bertl welcome oxylin! 1182550229 M * oxylin I've a question about routing with vservers 1182550235 M * oxylin someone can help me? 1182550238 M * Bertl let's hear! 1182550243 M * oxylin :-D 1182550276 M * oxylin my host system have an ip in 192.168.0.0/24 and another one in 192.168.100.0/24 1182550287 M * oxylin my vservers are in 192.168.100.0/24 1182550290 M * Bertl okay 1182550295 M * coderanger Bertl: You must be a very complex bot ... ;-) 1182550306 M * oxylin how can I get my vserver have internet connection? 1182550309 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-220-241.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1182550323 M * Bertl coderanger: yeah, have to be careful and hide from the turing polic 1182550347 M * Bertl oxylin: how does your host get internet connection? 1182550366 M * oxylin via a routeur which give it address by dhcp 1182550387 M * oxylin the router ip is 192.168.0.254 1182550388 M * Bertl okay. so the router is probably in 192.168.0.0/24 too, yes? 1182550394 M * oxylin yes 1182550419 M * Bertl great, so you have two options, either you move your guests into that network too, or you use SNAT for outgoing connections 1182550437 M * Bertl the later one could easily be done by an iptables entry like this: 1182550450 M * oxylin I looked for that on Internet (google is our friend) but I didn't find anything... I'm a bit new to that things 1182550472 M * Bertl iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.100.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.0.X 1182550478 M * oxylin I'can't put vserver on the same subnet as host 1182550480 M * Bertl replace X with the host's ip 1182550547 M * oxylin juste that will solve my problem? 1182550557 M * Bertl I'd say so :) 1182550598 M * Bertl you might want to add something like 1182550604 M * Bertl -o eth0 or so 1182550619 M * Bertl (to restrict it to an interface 1182550669 M * oxylin I did add an dummy0 interface to create the vserver subnet and make it accessible from host 1182550681 M * oxylin it's a problem? 1182550699 M * oxylin I did add it on host 1182550701 M * Bertl no 1182550709 M * oxylin and use it to create vserver via newvserver 1182550729 M * Bertl well, you should avoid that debian script 1182550740 M * Bertl but that is another problem ... 1182550762 M * Bertl (you can replace it with 'vserver build' 1182550780 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1182550782 M * Bertl this way it will not only be portable, but also allow to build other guests and on different distros) 1182550847 M * oxylin it doesn't work :( 1182550867 M * oxylin a ping on www.google.com fail 1182550873 M * oxylin from vserver 1182550893 M * Bertl you sure that you don't have other iptables rules in place? 1182550912 M * Bertl if so, let's do the following: 1182550925 Q * SonicUltima Quit: SonicUltima 1182550942 M * oxylin no it's the only one 1182550955 M * Bertl use 'tcpdump -vvnei eth0 icmp' on the host 1182550966 M * Bertl then do the follwing ping (again on the host) 1182550997 M * Bertl ping -c 1 -I www.google.com 1182551040 M * Bertl upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org 1182551088 M * oxylin ok 1182551492 M * Bertl Hollow: you around? 1182551568 M * Hollow Bertl: barely :) 1182551585 M * Bertl in what language is the pastebin written? 1182551591 M * Hollow php 1182551611 M * Bertl ah, excellent! how do I access the code? 1182551646 M * Hollow on helios: /var/www/paste.linux-vserver.org/lib/something 1182551668 M * Bertl okay, my key or so should be there, I guess? 1182551683 M * Hollow if not i can upload it :) 1182551755 M * Hollow is something wrong with the pastebin? 1182551768 M * Bertl no, I just want to enhance it a little 1182551773 M * Hollow ok 1182551783 M * Hollow i'd like to have the code from paste2.org ;) 1182551798 M * Bertl and they don't give it to you? 1182551801 M * Hollow it has good syntax highlighting 1182551807 M * Hollow no, i just discovered it 1182551834 M * oxylin Bertl, nothing appears with tcpdump 1182551835 M * coderanger_ You can always call out to pygments 1182551837 M * oxylin no output :( 1182551902 M * oxylin it is possible to configure the route table of vservers? 1182551908 M * Bertl oxylin: that means that your default route is not going over eth0, I'd say 1182551929 M * Bertl oxylin: otherwise you would have captured something there 1182551941 M * Bertl oxylin: i.e. we need more information about your setup 1182551944 Q * HeinMueck Quit: Aah! 1182551949 M * oxylin on vserver there is a '*' in the interface column 1182551959 M * oxylin for the default route 1182551967 M * oxylin what do you need? 1182551972 M * Bertl forget Linux-VServer, we are doing normal linux networking stuff here 1182551984 M * Bertl i.e. Linux-VServer is not taking part atm 1182552014 M * oxylin ok 1182552025 M * Bertl what interfaces do you have on the host? 1182552035 M * onox oxylin: have you tried to ping an ip address instead of a hostname? 1182552038 M * oxylin the physical interface eth0 1182552046 M * oxylin and a dummy interface dummy0 1182552053 M * oxylin etho -> 192.168.0.14 1182552062 M * oxylin dummy0 -> 192.168.100.1 1182552069 M * oxylin vserver -> 192.168.100.3 1182552077 M * oxylin routeur -> 192.168.0.254 1182552088 M * Bertl okay, a few things here: 1182552098 M * oxylin eth0 is dynamic with dhcp and dummy0 is static 1182552109 M * Bertl first, you write 'etho' with an O not a 0 at the end 1182552132 M * oxylin it's a mistake of me... 1182552141 M * oxylin the interface is eth0 with a zero 1182552143 M * Bertl make sure not to do that when giving computer commands :) 1182552170 M * Bertl then, the vserver ip is assigned to an interface (doesn't have an interface of it's own) 1182552172 M * oxylin it's ok I'm sure 1182552185 M * Hollow off to bed now.. cu tomorrow 1182552186 M * oxylin ok 1182552191 M * Bertl so I assume that 192.168.100.3 is assigned to dummy0 too 1182552197 M * Bertl Hollow: good night! 1182552218 M * oxylin dummy0 have 192.168.100.1 on host 1182552219 M * Bertl oxylin: let's verify that with 'ip addr ls' 1182552229 M * Bertl (please use paste.linux-vserver.org for everything longer than 3 lines) 1182552287 M * oxylin ok... dummy0 have two ip 192.168.100.1 and 192.168.100.3 1182552296 M * oxylin it's what ip says 1182552316 M * Bertl excellent, now let's check the routing setup with 'ip route ls' 1182552330 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1182552349 M * oxylin I will paste because I don't understand the output 1182552355 M * Bertl np 1182552579 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2701 1182552606 M * oxylin could you explain me the output meaning? 1182552631 M * Bertl sure, the first line is the routing assignment for the 192.168.100.0/24 range 1182552648 M * Bertl it means that all data sent to one of those addresses go to dummy 1182552668 M * oxylin ok 1182552685 M * oxylin what means src 192..... 1182552686 M * Bertl the second line is the same for your eth0 network (192.168.0.0/24) with the info that the host uses 192.168.0.14 1182552705 M * Bertl this means, if packages are sent, use that address (preferably) 1182552713 M * oxylin ok 1182552727 M * Bertl the last line is the default route, it gets used for all other addresses 1182552753 M * oxylin If I correctly understand.... It lack a default route for the dummy interface? 1182552770 M * Bertl no, you can only have one default route per routing table 1182552775 M * oxylin ok 1182552794 M * Bertl if you had two, that would mean: if we have a packet we cannot handle, send it here or better there? 1182552815 M * oxylin ok I understand what you mean.. 1182552817 M * Bertl which only makes sense in load balancing and failover scenarios 1182552829 M * oxylin ok 1182552838 M * onox default gateway is used for connections to hosts outside your local network, right? 1182552846 M * oxylin right ! 1182552849 M * oxylin :) 1182552854 M * Bertl oxylin: you still have that tcpdump running? 1182552861 M * oxylin no 1182552869 M * onox Bertl: should ip route ls also display "127.0.0.0/8 dev lo scope link"? 1182552871 M * Bertl okay, start it again, let's try a few pings 1182552896 M * Bertl onox: usually local routes are not shown 1182552921 M * Bertl onox: ip route ls table local 1182552962 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2702 1182552965 M * Bertl oxylin: first one is: ping -c 1 -I 192.168.0.14 192.168.0.254 1182552989 M * onox what means src in "scope link src X"? 1182553015 M * Bertl see a few lines above (it is the preferred source ip) 1182553053 M * Bertl oxylin: do you see something with tcpdump? 1182553081 M * oxylin yes 1182553090 M * Bertl okay, good, now let's try 1182553105 M * onox if 192.168.100.0/24 are your vservers, then why do they route to 192.168.100.1? (which is another vserver i assume) 1182553105 M * Bertl ping -c 1 -I 192.168.100.1 192.168.0.254 1182553130 M * Bertl onox: 192.168.100.1 is asigned to the host 1182553147 M * oxylin it works too 1182553164 M * Bertl okay, please show me the dump from this ping 1182553186 M * oxylin but the routeur answer to 192.168.0.14 1182553204 M * Bertl that is fine 1182553230 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-200-252.pools.arcor-ip.net 1182553258 M * onox Bertl: my ip route ls says: "10.0.2.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.2.3" 1182553262 M * oxylin (I'm testing this config on vmware) 1182553265 M * onox 10.0.2.X are vservers 1182553272 M * oxylin (oups... mistake :)) 1182553324 M * Bertl onox: and 10.0.2.3 happens to be the primary ip :) 1182553440 M * onox what defines the primary ip? 1182553527 M * Bertl on a network, on the same interface, there can only be one (primary) ip, all other ips will automagically become secondaries 1182553540 M * Bertl usually the 'primary' is the first one assigned 1182553592 M * Bertl care has to be taken with setups like Linux-VServer does, when the primary ip is assigned to a guest, because when you bring that guest down (with them tools managing the ip) it might easily take down the entire network 1182553607 M * Bertl (unless promote_secondaries is enabled) 1182553652 M * Bertl this is mostly because networking folks think that taking down the 'primary' ip actually means that you want to take down the entire interface 1182553660 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182553674 M * Bertl oxylin: do we have a tcpdump to look on? 1182553777 M * oxylin I'm testing my config on vmware 1182553791 M * Bertl that's fine, I guess :) 1182553795 M * oxylin and I can't save the output to a file :s 1182553810 M * Bertl well, that's a good reason to switch to QEMU :) 1182553812 M * oxylin get copy/paste it 1182553822 M * oxylin why? 1182553841 M * Bertl copy/paste works fine there, you even get a serial console :) 1182553897 M * oxylin ok i've the soluce a shell via sshj 1182553898 M * oxylin ssh 1182553906 M * Bertl :) 1182553958 M * onox Bertl: how do I make sure the primary ip of 10.0.2.0/24 is not a vserver, but the host? 1182554004 M * Bertl onox: by assigning one of those ips (in the network) to the host 1182554021 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2703 1182554030 M * Bertl onox: but with promote_secondaries enabled, you do not need to care 1182554040 M * oxylin ping -c 1 -I 192.168.100.1 192.168.0.254 1182554049 M * Bertl okay, good, 1182554064 M * Bertl what we see here is that the 192.168.100.1 was nat-ed to the host ip 1182554074 M * Bertl now let's try with 1182554078 M * oxylin I agree 1182554086 M * Bertl ping -c 1 -I 192.168.100.3 192.168.0.254 1182554091 M * oxylin when vserver send a packet it's like the host do 1182554094 M * Bertl you should basically see the same 1182554128 M * oxylin no 1182554132 M * oxylin 100% packet lost 1182554156 M * Bertl but 'ip addr ls' does show the 192.168.100.3 ip assigned to dummy0? 1182554181 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2702 1182554192 M * Bertl so that one is still valid, yes? 1182554230 M * Bertl then something is handling your guest packets special, which probably means that you have some iptables rules for that one active 1182554250 M * Bertl do you use some firewalling or so? 1182554265 M * oxylin nothing between host and vservers 1182554288 M * Bertl we are not talking Linux-VServer here, we are only doing host stuff 1182554303 M * Bertl we didn't do anything from inside a guest yet, or? 1182554314 M * oxylin ok 1182554332 M * oxylin I didn't do anything from vservers 1182554348 M * Bertl the fact that 192.168.100.3 is handled different than 192.168.100.1 means that your host config handles it differently :) 1182554353 M * oxylin then I've no rules except source nat 1182554382 Q * slacker403 Remote host closed the connection 1182554384 M * Bertl okay, let's upload the output of: 'iptables -t nat -L' and 'iptables -L' 1182554464 J * fatgoose ~samuel@204.19.247.184 1182554473 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2704 1182554474 N * fatgoose samueltc 1182554495 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2705 1182554593 M * oxylin It's speaking to you 1182554594 M * oxylin ? 1182554609 M * Bertl well, it tells me that something in your setup must be wrong 1182554625 M * Bertl but let's see if we can find it ... 1182554641 M * oxylin I hear you 1182554643 M * Bertl first, try to change the tcpdump to listen to dummy0 1182554654 M * Bertl and repeat the .3 ping from above 1182554709 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving 1182554752 M * oxylin the first give no output (ping as 192.168.0.14 to 192.168.0.254) logic I think 1182554763 M * oxylin the second give... (the time to paste) 1182554776 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2706 1182554779 M * samueltc you need to sneak into lo when you want dummy traffic right? 1182554789 M * oxylin and the third give nothing... an error again 1182554803 M * samueltc oh 1182554835 M * Bertl okay, I guess your ping is being smart here :) 1182554861 M * oxylin ?? 1182554895 M * Bertl does 'sysctl -a | grep forwarding' show any lines with nonzero values? 1182554926 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2707 1182554943 M * Bertl and same for: 'sysctl -a | fgrep .rp_filter' 1182554970 M * oxylin http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2708 1182554976 M * oxylin what's systcl? 1182555009 M * Bertl let's try: 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1' 1182555022 M * Bertl oxylin: 'man sysctl' :) 1182555054 M * oxylin great... 1182555058 M * oxylin very impressionant 1182555071 M * oxylin done 1182555079 M * onox do you masquerade postrouting? 1182555097 M * oxylin onox, you tell me? 1182555101 M * Bertl oxylin: does the ping from 192.168.100.3 now work? 1182555132 M * oxylin no 1182555153 M * Bertl okay, what kernel do you use? 1182555161 M * oxylin 2.6.18-4-686 1182555180 M * onox oxylin: create a firewall script: flush tables, set default policy, allow input to vserver, allow output, set masquerade postrouting, set up prerouting+forward for each port on each vserver 1182555225 Q * samueltc Read error: Connection reset by peer 1182555232 M * Bertl oxylin: okay, I don't have such an old kernel around, but that shouldn't be a problem, give me a few minutes to create a similar setup 1182555242 J * fatgoose ~samuel@204.19.247.184 1182555271 M * onox iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth00 -j MASQUERADE 1182555272 M * oxylin Bertl, ok 1182555299 M * onox s/eth00/eth0 1182555333 M * oxylin onox, your soluce give no results 1182555375 M * oxylin Bertl, I would like to say "thank you" for the time you spent 1182555489 M * Bertl oxylin: you're welcome! 1182555524 M * oxylin bertl, thank 1182555541 M * onox oxylin: maybe, but i recommend you write down your iptables rules somewhere 1182555668 M * Bertl onox: he already uploaded them 1182555863 M * oxylin bertl, do you find some thingS? 1182555873 M * Bertl sec 1182555897 M * oxylin I've all the time you need :-D 1182556145 M * Bertl yeah, actually have to recompile this test kernel, so will take a few more minutes 1182556157 M * oxylin np 1182556247 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1182556325 M * oxylin when I add manually the ip the dummy0 (by stopping before vsersers)... ping go ok 1182556367 M * oxylin and it works 1182556393 M * oxylin Bertl, I wrote some stuff 1182556407 M * Bertl that sounds like a broken kernel/tool then 1182556431 M * Bertl there should be no difference between manual and util-vserver setup 1182556437 M * oxylin may be... it's seems to be the interface initialization on the vserver side that cause problem?? 1182556446 M * Bertl there is none 1182556454 M * oxylin ??? 1182556467 M * Bertl everything regarding setup happens on the host and is not Linux-VServer related 1182556482 M * Bertl i.e. what you see (and get) is normal Linux networking 1182556488 M * Bertl nothing more, nothing less 1182556521 Q * stefani Server closed connection 1182556523 M * oxylin ok... I've a bit pain to understand who belongs responsabilities 1182556530 M * Bertl the Linux-VServer stuff works by isolating IP addressess (i.e. allowing certain processes to use only certain ips) 1182556541 M * oxylin ok 1182556543 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu 1182556550 M * Bertl Linux-VServer does not change nor interfere with routing or interface setup 1182556574 M * Bertl util-vserver simply uses existing (iproute2) tools to configure that for you 1182556599 M * Bertl you can as well configure it yourself (manually) and have util-vserver/Linux-VServer just use those IPs 1182556624 M * oxylin ok... In the ip addr ls output a thing change 1182556666 M * oxylin strange... now it works also when I start the vserver with util-vserver tools 1182556694 M * oxylin I reset the VM to test 1182556699 M * Bertl okay 1182556733 M * Bertl btw, it seems to me you are using vmware specific drivers for the networking, is that correct? 1182556744 M * oxylin with util-vserver tools it add a broadcast info 1182556768 M * Bertl okay, and that address is? 1182556768 M * oxylin bertl, I don't configure anything in vmware... I use defaults 1182556784 M * oxylin 192.168.100.255