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1182068115 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1182068121 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1182071800 M * eyck__ good night
1182072037 N * virtuoso_ virtuoso
1182073868 N * eyck__ eyck
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1182097898 J * Beuc ~yo@82.238.35.175
1182097970 M * Beuc Hi. I suddenly got lots of errors such as "apache invoked oom-killer" and my computer crashed. I wonder if that's related to VServer? I use 2.6.20.13-vs2.2.0
1182098180 M * Guy- Beuc: I don't think it's directly related
1182098192 M * Beuc Or maybe I should upgrade to 2.6.20.14, there's something about oom in the ChangeLog
1182098197 M * Beuc Guy-: ok thanks
1182098201 M * Guy- Beuc: something ate up all your virtual memory and the kernel killed your processes
1182098219 M * arachnist Beuc: either apache got mad, or something else got mad, or you're really low on memory and that was just a matter of time
1182098254 M * arachnist at least that's my guess
1182098307 M * Beuc There's 5-6GB RAM so I don't think it's low memory. One of the Apache is regularly crashing during log_rotate so maybe that was that
1182098351 M * Beuc Aside from that I was doing a git-pull just before the crash but I'd be surprise it ate up all memory :)
1182098816 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1182098822 M * Bertl morning folks!
1182098963 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl!
1182099145 M * Wonka is there any way to have a vserver reboot itself?
1182099207 M * Bertl reboot?
1182099240 M * Wonka i want it to come back up again if i do "telinit 6" (or something)
1182099263 M * Wonka or, more precisely, my clients want it :)
1182099587 M * Bertl yes, works fine AFAIK (if you do reboot not halt)
1182099682 M * Guy- it didn't work for me when I last tried
1182099692 M * Guy- but maybe the context was persistent and that was a problem?
1182099709 M * Bertl that is for sure a problem :)
1182099723 M * Bertl i.e. no reboot will happen with persistant contexts
1182099738 M * Guy- OK :)
1182099790 A * Wonka needs to get some machine just for playing with...
1182100210 M * Bertl Wonka: use your laptop, or QEMU ...
1182100337 M * Wonka I would... but with only 256MB RAM, it hurts too much.
1182100376 M * Bertl nah, not really, you probably won't even notive that Linux-VServer is there unless you really use/need it
1182100442 M * Wonka at least qemu hurts...
1182100522 M * Wonka with Firefox running, memory usage is about 82%, and some 200MB swap are in use too
1182100546 M * Bertl won't change with Linux-VServer :)
1182100567 M * arachnist you might want to try some non-gecko based browser
1182100569 M * arachnist ;>
1182100579 M * Wonka which?
1182100588 M * Wonka links2 doesn't rip it ;)
1182100590 M * arachnist konqueror
1182100596 M * Wonka eerghs
1182100600 M * Wonka kdelibs are banned here
1182100622 M * Wonka for being way too fat
1182100626 M * arachnist lol?
1182100634 M * Wonka I am using fluxbox
1182100646 M * Bertl for webbrowsing? :)
1182100660 M * Wonka for window management
1182100689 M * Wonka neither KDE nor Gnome nor xfce were to my taste...
1182100689 M * arachnist kdelibs is fat? then firefox must be a sumo fighter after spending a year in us, eating hotdogs and hamburgers
1182100695 P * Beuc Leaving
1182100753 M * arachnist kde runs smoothly even on a p2 400 w/ 128MB of ram if you don't run any non-kde X apps
1182100797 M * Bertl gnome does so too btw
1182100815 M * arachnist i tried gnome on that set-up, barely started
1182100831 M * arachnist xfce ran fine until i started ff, when it started to crawl
1182100893 M * Bertl I have no problem with gnome on a much weaker machine (which happens to be my devel frontend at home) but I'm not using firefox, I'm with galeon
1182100982 M * dilinger kazehakase++
1182101011 M * arachnist yes, kazehakase is nice
1182101037 M * arachnist first used it about 0.2.7
1182101045 M * arachnist it crashed every second web page
1182101226 M * Bertl hope that improved by now :)
1182101233 M * arachnist well, yes
1182101252 M * arachnist but now i don't like gtk
1182101259 M * arachnist not to mention gecko
1182101312 Q * djbclark Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1182101321 M * Wonka when i boot a Knoppix DVD via PXE, i can browse the web in fluxbox, while KDE is still starting
1182101363 M * Wonka at university, I usually had read all of my mail and was reading my daily comics, while my fellow students still were waiting for KDE to finish booting
1182101381 M * Wonka I used mwm...
1182101404 M * Wonka the pool consisted of Sun Ultra5 machines
1182101408 M * arachnist well
1182101423 M * arachnist here it takes about 30s from grub to kde
1182101436 M * Wonka now there are 30 SunRay2 connected to a Fire 880, and still mwm is faster than KDE
1182101450 M * arachnist and it took 45 to 50s back on a p2 400 w/ 256MB of ram
1182101489 M * arachnist Wonka: mwm is fugly
1182101496 M * Wonka kdelibs, uncompressed size: 29,0MB; kdelibs-data, uncompressed size 30,4MB
1182101503 M * Wonka mwm just works
1182101520 M * Wonka ok, yes, it's not funny to have to use it
1182101531 M * Wonka so i took the hassle and built a fluxbox there too
1182101536 M * Wonka which also just works :)
1182101602 M * Wonka anyway. i don't like KDE, and i don't like Konqueror
1182101614 M * Wonka konqueror still has some CSS problems, afaik
1182101628 M * arachnist nope, it doesn't
1182101636 M * arachnist as long as site is standards compilant
1182101663 M * Wonka mmh... will have to try that against my pages
1182101674 M * Wonka the validator has nothing to remark about them
1182101693 M * arachnist konq passes acid2, gecko doesn't
1182101729 M * Wonka mh, nice...
1182102251 Q * dna Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182102276 J * dna ~naucki@253-243-dsl.kielnet.net
1182102692 J * [BiG^BrotheR] ~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253
1182102956 M * Bertl welcome [BiG^BrotheR]!
1182103009 M * [BiG^BrotheR] ty
1182103086 J * fatgoose ~samuel@76-10-154-196.dsl.teksavvy.com
1182103089 M * fatgoose hi
1182103098 M * Bertl hey fatgoose!
1182103241 M * fatgoose i'm on the balcony... amazing day today
1182103457 M * Bertl yeah, quite nice here too ...
1182104207 M * fatgoose usr/src/vcd/trunk/src/vcd/main.c:233: undefined reference to `mem_freeall'
1182104240 M * fatgoose ok ok in lucid
1182104362 M * neuralis Bertl: hey there. how're we looking?
1182104395 M * Bertl good, I basically have a version ready, which has all except for the ipv6 (which I'm still testing)
1182104441 M * Bertl I will upload a patch shortly, and will then continue testing .. we should have a basic regression testing for that branch in the next few days
1182104491 M * Bertl neuralis: the patch now has the following characteristics:
1182104509 M * Bertl - ext2/3/4 and jffs2 support, other filesystems not included
1182104541 M * Bertl - no support for quota but disk limit support for the filesystems (not complete for jffs2 yet)
1182104561 M * Bertl - peertag information and latest kernel ABI/API
1182104587 M * Bertl - BME extensions (attributed bind mounts)
1182104618 M * Bertl - NGNET networking, almost complete with ipv6 but no loopback isolation (not required for OLPC)
1182104648 M * neuralis for a first pass, that's more than excellent; we can always iron out bugs and problems as we go on.
1182104651 M * Bertl - all the accounting, limits and token bucket stuff
1182104695 M * Bertl - and most important, we tried to get as close as possible to kernel coding style :)
1182104708 M * neuralis rocking work.
1182104732 M * Bertl thanks!
1182104734 M * neuralis we'll throw it in a branch the moment we get the patch from you, and start autobuilding -vs kernel rpms.
1182104815 M * Bertl okay, should be ready in an hour or two ...
1182104873 M * Wonka sounds nice, especially the NGNET/IPv6 stuff :)
1182104893 M * Bertl Wonka: will be in 2.3.x shortly after
1182104911 M * Wonka cool
1182105144 Q * ruskie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1182105214 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net
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1182108412 M * Bertl dilinger: is the master branch up-to-date?
1182108455 M * Bertl dilinger: I just wonder because I assumed it would be at 22-rc5 by now ... but it seems it is still at 22-rc4-git*?
1182108477 M * dilinger i haven't merged in rc5 yet (and it's not done automatically)
1182108503 M * Bertl okay, do you want the patch against rc5 stuff, or against the master branch?
1182108516 M * dilinger rc5 is fine
1182108523 M * dilinger i'll sync up master
1182108578 J * markus_ ~chatzilla@213.47.89.232
1182108581 M * markus_ hi
1182108588 M * Bertl welcome markus_!
1182108635 M * Bertl dilinger: here you go: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/OLPC/patch-2.6.22-rc5-vsOLPC.0.4.1.diff
1182108647 M * dilinger Bertl: thanks!
1182108660 M * Bertl dilinger, neuralis: if you want to test it after building, here are some hints:
1182108680 M * Bertl - you need latest 0.30.213+ util-vserver or vcmd 0.09
1182108704 M * markus_ I'm using vserver 0.30.204 (on debian sarge from backports) and successfully built my first vserver using debootstrap :) However, my next goal is to create a new vserver by taking over an existing chroot installation which runs on its own right now. When going through the build --help options I can't find anything from which I could to this. Any hints?
1182108709 M * Bertl - testme.sh (latest version) will fail on #031 (which is okay, because the tools do not unshare uts spaces yet)
1182108750 M * Bertl - testfs.sh (latest version) needs a change from 'tagxid' to 'tag' otherwise all tests should be successful for ext2/3 
1182108774 M * Bertl markus_: first, update to recent tools, we are at 0.30.213!!
1182108795 M * Bertl markus_: then you should find build methods to use tar archives and even rsync
1182108827 M * markus_ Bertl: cool, thanks for the hint: do I only have to update the tools? Or also the kernel? I hope not the latter ..
1182108832 M * Bertl markus_: if you don't want to update, you still can use the skeleton build method an fill in the data
1182108841 M * markus_ Bertl: ah ..
1182108856 M * Bertl just make sure that you keep the reduced /dev from the skeleton
1182108867 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1182108878 M * Bertl wb ema!
1182108896 M * Bertl dilinger: you're welcome! let me know if you find something to change/adjust ...
1182108897 M * markus_ Bertl: where do I find the skeleton? Is there a default skeleton?
1182108917 M * Bertl vserver foo build -m skeleton
1182108970 J * cjb ~cjb@pullcord.laptop.org
1182108973 M * Bertl (not 100% sure that the 204 tools have that though :)
1182108978 M * Bertl welcome cjb!
1182108979 M * daniel_hozac they should.
1182108991 M * markus_ Yes .. but .. where *is* the skeleton? Or do I miss something? The help says "skeleton ... -- [<cmd> <args>*] installs a minimal skeleton filesystem, creates the configuration file and calls an optional command then" .. does this mean I create an empty, scratch one and just copy over all the files manualy?
1182108997 M * cjb Bertl: Hi.  :)
1182109003 M * Wonka markus_: it generates one
1182109016 M * Bertl markus_: it will be created out of thin air :)
1182109018 M * Wonka markus_: and then you can copy your chroot into it
1182109020 M * markus_ ah :)
1182109040 M * markus_ hmm .. 13thfloor.at? austria, wien?
1182109057 M * Bertl almost, nearby vienna :)
1182109069 M * markus_ kewl, I'm in vienna, 7th district
1182109084 M * Bertl yeah, the world is small :)
1182109113 M * markus_ are you involved in the project directly?
1182109138 A * markus_ is just curious
1182109169 M * Bertl markus_: kind of ...
1182109181 M * markus_ awesome :)
1182109184 M * daniel_hozac "kind of"? :P
1182109208 M * daniel_hozac markus_: you might want to look at http://linux-vserver.org/Developers
1182109221 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: yeah, I figured he will find that page sooner or later :)
1182109224 A * markus_ bows
1182109230 M * markus_ forgive my ignorance :)
1182109262 M * Bertl markus_: I'm sure you are doing interesting stuff yourself ...
1182109266 M * markus_ Doesn't happen a lot that austrian guys are involved in some kind of major open source apps these days
1182109315 M * markus_ Bertl: uhm, I guess not. Just a linux lurker, trying to move away from my chroot installation ;) so just a "regular user"
1182109348 M * Bertl hmm, I think you are wrong there ... many folks from Austria are doing really cool stuff, just not in Austria (usually, I wonder why :)
1182109365 M * markus_ lol :)
1182109387 M * markus_ Last questoin for today: is the "context" number involved in any kind of priority given to the vservers or is it juts a unique identifier number?
1182109416 M * neuralis markus_: just a unique id.
1182109425 M * markus_ ah, k.
1182109483 M * Bertl but you can adjust priorities for the guests/contexts
1182109507 M * neuralis Bertl: is there a reason util-vserver isn't linked from l-v.o?
1182109513 M * neuralis (front page)
1182109519 M * Bertl markus_: i.e. set a priority bias, and/or adjust scheduling priorities
1182109531 M * Bertl neuralis: I think it should be (somewhere)
1182109553 M * daniel_hozac neuralis: is it not prominent enough on the Downloads page?
1182109588 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, I updated the VCI version for the OLPC patch to 2.3
1182109598 M * daniel_hozac ah, nice
1182109606 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: and I removed most of the legacy/old interfaces
1182109625 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: seems to work quite well with 0.30.213+, except for the uts/ipc stuff
1182109642 M * Bertl (I removed the space hack there too)
1182109650 M * neuralis daniel_hozac: it took digging around; given that the front page table is rather expansive and very useful, you might wish to consider just sticking it in as a new row at the bottom
1182109688 M * neuralis daniel_hozac: also, the homepage link for util-vserver on the Downloads page points to an ancient/outdated savannah page
1182109688 M * daniel_hozac neuralis: yeah, i've thought about that in the past. but then we should probably add vcd and vserver too...
1182109717 M * Bertl neuralis: JFYI, vcmd is here: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/vcmd-0.09.tar.bz2
1182109717 M * daniel_hozac neuralis: savannah just doesn't have anything about the alpha versions.
1182109727 M * daniel_hozac neuralis: (well, except bugs and such)
1182109734 M * neuralis Bertl: yep, found it
1182109779 M * Wonka when will vcmd be in debian?
1182109781 M * Bertl markus_: so, what are you using Linux-VServer for?
1182109799 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: when someone uploads it? :)
1182109800 M * neuralis daniel_hozac: right, but it's pretty confusing unless you _know_ that savannah doesn't have anything about the latest versions, etc
1182109811 M * Bertl Wonka: it's a hack tool, I won't suggest putting it into debian
1182109816 M * Wonka 'k...
1182109822 M * daniel_hozac neuralis: sure.
1182109830 M * Wonka sounded like a replacement for vserver-utils
1182109839 M * Bertl Wonka: I mean, it's purpose is to excercise bleeding edge interfaces
1182109844 M * neuralis Wonka: you're thinknig about vserver control daemon
1182109846 M * neuralis Wonka: different thing
1182109849 M * neuralis *thinking
1182109855 M * Bertl Wonka: won't buy you anything if it was 3 years old :)
1182109876 M * Wonka ah, vcm-d, not v-cmd
1182109919 M * daniel_hozac other way around ,)
1182109967 M * Bertl hmm, init pid virtualization got broken again, it seems ...
1182110624 M * Bertl but it seems that happened some time ago .. at least all recent kernels show that misbehaviour ... I love the procfs changes :)
1182110835 M * daniel_hozac what misbehaviour is this?
1182110853 M * Bertl ls /proc shows wrong pids
1182110861 M * daniel_hozac in a guest?
1182110863 M * Bertl yep
1182110869 M * daniel_hozac wrong how?
1182110880 M * Bertl faked init pid is shown with the real pid
1182110919 M * Bertl seems to happen here with 2.6.20.14 + vs2.2.0
1182110929 M * daniel_hozac ah...
1182110950 M * Bertl ps auxww seems fine though
1182111024 M * arachnist 'ww'?
1182111045 M * daniel_hozac wery wide ;)
1182111059 P * cjb ERC Version 5.2 stable pre-release (IRC client for Emacs)
1182111069 J * Solaris ~satan@89.155.106.6
1182111124 M * Bertl welcome Solaris!
1182111141 M * Solaris hello :)
1182111543 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-109-39.dclient.hispeed.ch
1182111612 Q * ema Quit: leaving
1182111640 M * Wonka Solaris 8, 9 or 10? *duck*
1182111641 M * Solaris i need to create the hdv1 manualy?
1182111737 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1182111798 J * Mind7 ~103730197@84.228.57.152
1182111800 M * Mind7 mediom     --->       http://mediom.art4web.info/
1182111801 P * Mind7 
1182111828 M * Bertl Solaris: you mean the vroot device?
1182111969 M * Solaris Bertl.. im using lvm2
1182111985 M * Solaris and theres no hdv1 on the vserver
1182112072 M * Solaris im just starting using vservers... i used them some time ago. but stoped for a while....
1182112182 M * Bertl Solaris: okay, well, if you do not want to use quota (user/group) on the guest, you can do quite fine without /dev/hdv1 
1182112202 M * Bertl Solaris: for disk limits and normal operation, no device is required
1182112217 M * Bertl i.e. something like 'echo >/dev/hdv1' at most
1182112238 M * Solaris i installed arch linux on a vserver..
1182112252 M * Solaris and its complaining about no disk space
1182112260 M * Solaris when using pacman
1182112299 M * Bertl what does 'df' show inside the guest?
1182112316 M * Solaris [root@vArch /]# df
1182112316 M * Solaris df: no file systems processed
1182112327 M * Bertl see, that is probably your problem
1182112336 M * Bertl what does /etc/mtab contain?
1182112337 M * Solaris yep..
1182112349 M * Solaris none /proc proc rw,nodiratime,nodev 0 0
1182112359 M * Bertl add a line like this there:
1182112389 M * Bertl /dev/hdv1 / ext2 rw 0 0
1182112399 M * Bertl then try again with 'df'
1182112421 M * Solaris ok done..
1182112449 M * Solaris i tought that there should be one hdv1 in /dev...
1182112474 M * Bertl usually not necessary
1182112507 M * Solaris so.. this is permanent?
1182112509 Q * bon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1182112597 M * Solaris time will tell *g*
1182112868 M * Bertl Solaris: no, I assume you guest cleans /etc/mtab at some point of the startup
1182112891 M * Bertl Solaris: you might want to change that, because the tools (util-vserver) usually add this line on guest startup
1182113032 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@57.75-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1182113233 Q * markus_ Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]
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1182116107 J * joelleonhart ~joelleonh@ppp166-191.konnect.net
1182116334 J * DreaM[BrB] ~Dr-DreaM@84.23.96.253
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1182117407 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1182117426 M * yarihm good night everyone (where applicable)
1182117433 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1182117623 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1182117964 J * Aiken ~james@ppp121-45-250-169.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1182118323 M * Bertl morning Aiken!
1182120057 M * Bertl dilinger: everything fine so far?
1182120435 Q * hallyn resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120435 Q * micah resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120435 Q * mstrobert resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120435 Q * mugwump resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120435 Q * dilinger resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120435 Q * Rich_Estill resistance.oftc.net larich.oftc.net
1182120503 J * hallyn ~xa@adsl-75-0-158-74.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
1182120503 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1182120503 J * mstrobert ~mstrobert@wkstn.wycliffe.ca
1182120503 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1182120503 J * dilinger ~dilinger@mail.queued.net
1182120503 J * Rich_Estill ~restill@c-24-11-195-139.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1182120986 P * Solaris satan made me do it
1182121551 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net