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1181096475 M * doener_ Bertl_zZ: might be interesting for you: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/5/411
1181098701 J * hardwire` ~bip@rdbck-3150.wasilla.mtaonline.net
1181098861 M * mugwump hey, my original scheduler did that
1181098867 M * mugwump the cross-cpu fairness I mean
1181098874 M * mugwump shame about the cacheline problems ;)
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1181115748 J * Moo ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com
1181115765 N * Moo MooingLemur
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1181120900 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1181120905 M * Bertl morning folks!
1181120962 M * Bertl doener_: tx! the design looks surprisingly similar to what we have been experimenting with ... it might be a good idea to join forces and/or combine solutions there ...
1181121122 Q * chand Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181121465 M * Baby hi! :)
1181121579 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1181121809 M * tanjix hi Bertl
1181122109 M * tanjix what were the two tools you used with me to see performance of the vserver hosts? iostat and ...?
1181122146 M * Bertl no idea, but you can check the channel logs ...
1181122200 M * Bertl but I would probably use vmstat too (if it is I/O related)
1181122250 Q * micah Read error: Operation timed out
1181122481 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1181122857 M * tanjix yes vmstat was the one
1181122921 M * tanjix what must i take care on when examining outputs from those things?
1181122965 M * Bertl mostly not to misinterpret the data :)
1181123131 M * tanjix hm this will not really help me :)
1181123157 M * tanjix you maybe saw on the output that the iostat showed too much work for the disk, right?
1181123300 M * Bertl yes, IIRC, I suggested to load balance between two disks
1181123447 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is
1181123605 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@51.88-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1181123842 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-197-225.pools.arcor-ip.net
1181123988 M * tanjix yes; but how did you see that the disk had too much work?
1181124218 M * Bertl by looking at the page in/out columns
1181124368 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer
1181125075 J * Aiken ~james@ppp247-3.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1181125096 M * tanjix and what values are good and which ones not?
1181125219 M * Bertl basically you should know how much your harddisk can handle
1181125231 M * Bertl (you can test that with bonnie++, for example)
1181125268 M * Bertl and you should not exceed 50% for good performance
1181127195 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer
1181127251 J * Aiken ~james@ppp247-3.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net
1181127598 M * tanjix what is bonnie++?
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1181131735 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1181132176 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
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1181133496 M * Bertl tanjix: a filesystem benchmarking tool
1181134475 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181134995 M * Guy- not a very realistic one, btw
1181135026 M * Guy- it's good enough for raw speed measurements (like hdparm)
1181135041 M * Bertl well, it's _a_lot_ better than hdparm
1181135041 M * Guy- but it doesn't really give you much of an idea about the performance of a filesystem under realistic load
1181135054 M * Guy- use things like iozone and postmark for that
1181135072 M * Bertl yep, but we do not want to measure fs performance, but disk I/O :)
1181135094 M * Guy- OK, OK, I just can't resist to spread the holy word :)
1181135179 M * Bertl but I agree, bonnie is not the best tool out there
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1181138326 J * crypt ~crypt@p54A3B46F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1181138332 M * crypt hi all
1181138406 M * crypt one short question: /usr/sbin/vserver: line 122: getopt: command not found, which trick to get it working?
1181138437 M * Bertl install getopt or a bash which supports that?
1181138476 M * crypt this is the current debian testing package util vserver 213
1181138498 M * Bertl who is the maintainer?
1181138534 M * crypt Ola Lundqvist says packages.debian.org
1181138559 M * crypt and the co Maintainer: 	Micah Anderson
1181138586 M * Bertl so I would file a bug report then ...
1181138625 M * crypt ok, this meens you have no idea which package contains the getopt function/binary
1181138655 M * Bertl util-linux or coreutils
1181138670 M * Bertl but that should be installed by default, so I assume it is a bug
1181138705 M * mjt $ type getopt
1181138706 M * mjt getopt is /usr/bin/getopt
1181138709 M * mjt $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/getopt
1181138709 M * mjt util-linux: /usr/bin/getopt
1181138738 M * mjt btw... getopts is a shell builtin
1181138758 M * crypt but replacing getopt with getopts does not work ;)
1181138791 M * crypt ok util-linux was the missing thing :) thank a lot :)
1181139004 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is
1181139195 Q * shedi 
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1181139556 M * Bertl hmm, util-linux missing in a debian install? interesting ...
1181139714 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-dhcp1-12.ethz.ch
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1181142811 J * kaner_ kaner@strace.org
1181142812 Q * kaner_ 
1181142945 M * meandtheshell hi folks
1181142957 M * Bertl hey meandtheshell!
1181142972 M * meandtheshell Bertl: did you read the ml thread regarding disk I/O limiting?
1181143008 M * meandtheshell somebody post mentioned a patch etc.
1181143049 M * meandtheshell hm ... wouldn't it be great to get this into Linux-VServer default release version?
1181143194 M * Bertl if it works .. sure, why not?
1181143248 M * meandtheshell that would be great since I think Linux-VServer really (by now) provides all folks may desire in their dreams but decent disk I/O limiting ;]
1181143321 M * Bertl could you point me to the url, all I saw (yet) was the ionice patch/addon
1181143325 M * lylix second that
1181143353 J * yarihm_ ~yarihm@hg-public-dock-182-dhcp.ethz.ch
1181143362 M * meandtheshell well, yes the ionic patch URL
1181143365 A * meandtheshell googles
1181143412 M * Bertl that one I have, but that will not help you :)
1181143414 M * meandtheshell s/ionic/ionice/
1181143430 M * Bertl i.e. it is already in Linux-VServer in a slightly different way
1181143455 M * meandtheshell hm ... so I missed a Linux-VServer milestone - did I?
1181143459 M * Bertl means, that a guest is automatically assigned a separate 'context' for I/O scheduling
1181143471 M * Bertl (when the CFQ scheduler is used)
1181143504 A * meandtheshell no idea what you're talking about :)
1181143510 M * Bertl the problem with that is that there is quite a number of system or asynchronous I/O going on, which cannot be associated with a context
1181143511 M * meandtheshell CFQ?
1181143524 M * meandtheshell right
1181143526 M * Bertl CFQ is one of the I/O schedulers available in 2.6
1181143534 M * meandtheshell ok
1181143571 M * Bertl so, if you enable that, each guest will get a separate queue for accountable I/O
1181143575 M * Bertl ~
1181143623 M * meandtheshell ah - and that one could be limited? (the queue I mean)
1181143638 M * meandtheshell by the way - http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/ionice.1.html
1181143785 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181143798 M * meandtheshell ah http://www.users.on.net/~anonc/.patches/vserver/readme.txt so ionice makes use of CFQ anyways
1181143832 M * Bertl yes, we might want to try to put guests into idle by default
1181143845 M * meandtheshell so (for the record - not tested yet) - standard DebianGNU/Linux kernels (the vserver ones) have CFQ enabled?
1181143864 M * Bertl (ar at least make idle a configureable option)
1181143872 M * meandtheshell yep
1181143882 M * Bertl meandtheshell: I have no idea about std. debian kernels :)
1181143889 M * meandtheshell hehe
1181143902 M * Bertl on mainline kernels you _can_ enable and select CFQ :)
1181143955 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu
1181143960 A * meandtheshell to old for kernel compiling ;-]
1181143966 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1181143968 M * stefani hola
1181143978 M * Bertl meandtheshell: how old is too old?
1181144013 M * meandtheshell 78
1181144032 M * Bertl and you are 78?
1181144069 M * meandtheshell well, yes sometimes I feel that old
1181144090 M * meandtheshell depends on the amount of sleep I got the night before
1181144091 M * meandtheshell :)
1181144177 M * meandtheshell enough - back to the topic - so I/O disk scheduling is already possible using CFQ kernel support and ionice CLI tool
1181144192 M * meandtheshell I don't need util-vserver here - yes?
1181144244 M * meandtheshell by the way - waldi would be the right person to poke for CFQ support in DebianGNU/Linux kernels - yes?
1181144260 M * Bertl atm, util-vserver does not support the io stuff, AFAIK
1181144277 M * Bertl but I guess it wouldn't be too hard to get it there
1181144285 M * waldi meandtheshell: cfq is default since .18
1181144315 M * Bertl whether the ionice is sufficient to configure that (and/or) we need more kernel side support is currently unknown to me
1181144345 M * Bertl if somebody is interested in testing this ... be my guest.
1181144348 M * meandtheshell waldi: just figured 
1181144348 M * meandtheshell markusgattol@pc1:/boot$ pi CFQ config-2.6.21-1-vserver-686 
1181144348 M * meandtheshell CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y
1181144348 M * meandtheshell CONFIG_DEFAULT_CFQ=y
1181144348 M * meandtheshell markusgattol@pc1:/boot$ 
1181144353 M * meandtheshell :)
1181144410 A * meandtheshell oh my god  - where have I been for the last six month or so? hibernation? ;]
1181144473 M * meandtheshell Bertl: I will defenitely do that but not before August or so - lack of time till then
1181144486 M * Bertl okay, np :)
1181144520 Q * chand Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181144877 M * Bertl meandtheshell: hmm, are you from Austria?
1181145137 M * meandtheshell Bertl: yes - and we did already meet in person
1181145145 M * meandtheshell 2 times if I recall correctly 
1181145175 M * meandtheshell (Austria - no, not that one with 10 feet tall mice)
1181145189 M * meandtheshell ;)
1181145197 M * Bertl ah, yes, I think I remember you ...
1181145233 M * Bertl confused me with the 'too old' part :)
1181145299 M * meandtheshell Bertl: confusion: a natural behavior of "not so mighty" creatures in order to not get eaten by "the mighty" creatures
1181145315 A * meandtheshell gotta go get some food
1181145322 M * meandtheshell frigde is damn empty
1181145336 M * Bertl make that :)
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1181146384 A * MooingLemur moos at Bertl in greeting.
1181146419 M * Bertl moo moo ...
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1181153572 J * chand ~chand@m167.net81-64-156.noos.fr
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1181161529 J * tuxmania ~bonbons@158.64.110.161
1181161829 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
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1181162800 J * fatgoose ~samuel@adsl-68-127-132-36.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net
1181162801 M * fatgoose hi
1181162844 M * Bertl fatgoose: hey!
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1181163014 M * fatgoose I would like to use the vserver API in python, is that possible?
1181163042 M * fatgoose for two different project, one using chbind and the other to control my vservers (chattr, start/stop)
1181163058 M * Bertl yes, as a matter of fact, a friend of mine is currently working on an updated python binding thingy for the recent API
1181163070 M * fatgoose great
1181163099 M * Bertl so maybe contact BobR_oO, when he is around ...
1181163101 M * fatgoose how it would work to use chbind into python?
1181163131 M * fatgoose ie. chbinding a function that do network call
1181163148 M * Bertl well, the bindings will wrap the syscalls themseleves, but you could as well do a system command invocation from python I guess
1181163172 M * daniel_hozac hmm.
1181163184 M * daniel_hozac he's implementing the syscalls in Python?
1181163201 M * Bertl AFAIK, yes, why?
1181163204 M * daniel_hozac wouldn't it be better to use (e.g.) util-vserver's libvserver?
1181163219 M * Bertl maybe, I don't know much about python
1181163239 M * Bertl won't hurt to have a chat with him, I guess ...
1181163240 M * daniel_hozac (which really isn't that much work to do with ctypes)
1181163264 M * daniel_hozac i did a proof of concept of that a while back.
1181163278 M * fatgoose daniel_hozac: the python binding?
1181163278 M * Bertl excellent, please contact him when around ...
1181163294 M * daniel_hozac fatgoose: yes.
1181163321 M * fatgoose I saw that, I'll check it again
1181163336 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1181163338 M * fatgoose these:
1181163338 M * fatgoose http://www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/contrib/python-bindings/
1181163341 M * daniel_hozac where? cause i can't find it.
1181163353 M * daniel_hozac well, that's sladen's bindings.
1181163361 M * daniel_hozac (which i guess are really outdated by now)
1181163372 M * Bertl yes, definitely
1181163425 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1181163441 M * daniel_hozac hey marcfiu!
1181163443 M * marcfiu hello vsWorld
1181163445 M * marcfiu Hi daniel_hozac
1181163494 M * Bertl hey marcfiu! how's going?
1181163583 J * mstrobert ~mstrobert@wkstn.wycliffe.ca
1181163592 M * Bertl wb mstrobert!
1181163600 M * mstrobert Bertl:  thanks !
1181163791 M * daniel_hozac fatgoose: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/__init__.py
1181163811 M * daniel_hozac fatgoose: note though, it's an older proof of concept, so it's lacking recent features.
1181163861 M * marcfiu hi Bertl, pretty good.
1181163875 M * marcfiu Just got back from Brazil and had the privilege to visit an OLPC trial school.
1181163879 M * marcfiu Super cool experience!
1181163892 M * Baby goodnight all :)
1181163893 M * marcfiu Just wish their laptops had "you know what" on them already. :)
1181163896 M * fatgoose nice
1181163900 M * mstrobert marcfiu: nice
1181163925 M * mjt "you know what"?
1181163926 M * neuralis marcfiu: it's getting there
1181163933 M * marcfiu neuralis: sweet!
1181163958 M * Bertl marcfiu: great! and how was it?
1181163961 M * fatgoose marcfiu: I tried one last weekend, there is a trick to get a shell prompt :)
1181163967 M * marcfiu neuralis: while there I also had an impromptu meeting with your competition.
1181163993 M * neuralis fatgoose: no trick, same as any other machine running X
1181164027 M * marcfiu Bertl: they showed me a video of the 2nd grade students getting the XO for the first time.  They were not given any formal introduction, tutorial, etc.
1181164039 M * marcfiu They weren't even given instructions on how to open the XO.
1181164045 M * Bertl marcfiu: competition?
1181164050 M * marcfiu It was funny to watch a few of them trying to pry open the laptop.
1181164070 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1181164077 M * marcfiu and the proud face of one boy when he flipped open the rabbit ears and then opened the laptop.
1181164114 M * Bertl we did a presentation of the XO on linuxwochen last weekend
1181164124 M * marcfiu And then they were off to the races... amazing to watch "observational learning" in action.  As soon as one student figured out something new with the laptop, then everyone else would know within second afterwards.
1181164156 M * Bertl it was amazing how the children there were attracted to the XOs, ignoring all the 'grown up' laptops
1181164230 M * marcfiu And the teachers there mentioned that the novelty of the laptop has significantly increased student attendance, which in of itself is a significant pedagogic achievement.  Now there is just a need for more, much more educational software AND of course the appropriate infrastructure to support it all.
1181164265 M * marcfiu Bertl: yeah, the xo is definitely cooler than the grown up laptops... it would have been even better if you showed them outside under direct sunlight. :)
1181164286 M * marcfiu mjt: "you know what" == topic of this irc channel.
1181164297 M * marcfiu Bertl: "competition" == classmate
1181164299 M * mjt aha
1181164310 M * Bertl marcfiu: guess what we did :) we had a terrasse ontop of the building ...
1181164324 M * marcfiu Bertl: excellent.
1181164347 M * Bertl ah, didn't know that the 'classmate' is considered a competition :)
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1181164444 M * marcfiu well, they apparently have active trials in other parts of Brazil.
1181164449 M * marcfiu I didn't see one.
1181164464 M * marcfiu I've heard that technologically it appears sub par compared to the XO.
1181164502 M * marcfiu However, the decision on which type of laptop to go with wont likely be based solely on which laptop is technologically superior.
1181164529 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181164534 M * marcfiu Its very much a political process.
1181164691 M * Bertl indeed ...
1181164714 M * marcfiu and this political process will be heavily influenced by the local economy impact of annually $1B or more on the laptops.
1181164734 M * marcfiu That is, there are ~45M students in the right age group to receive laptops.
1181164909 M * daniel_hozac fatgoose: keep me posted about the python bindings. i'd love to include them in the utils once they're good enough.
1181164940 M * daniel_hozac (and preferably as maintenance-free as possible)
1181164951 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-100-129.dclient.hispeed.ch
1181164990 M * marcfiu Assuming a laptop has a life span of 4.5 years, then to keep the program up Brazil would have to purchase approx. 10 million laptops per year to keep the pipe full.
1181165000 M * marcfiu 10^7 * $100 per laptop require $1B per year
1181165019 M * marcfiu assuming the price of the laptop comes down to the magic $100 mark at this volume.
1181165048 M * marcfiu That's a lot of money that would go to Taiwan, which is where the XO is manufactured.
1181165057 M * marcfiu daniel_hozac: python bindings?
1181165065 M * marcfiu fatgoose: are these for util-vserver?
1181165069 M * daniel_hozac for libvserver.
1181165084 M * marcfiu daniel_hozac: nice, we wrote our own for PlanetLab.
1181165093 M * daniel_hozac it's my old proof of concept.
1181165098 M * marcfiu daniel_hozac: would be nice to dump ours in favor of someone else's.
1181165098 M * daniel_hozac ah, what did you use?
1181165109 M * marcfiu daniel_hozac: what do you mean?
1181165120 M * daniel_hozac ctypes? swig? or just doing it manually in c?
1181165127 M * meandtheshell Bertl: how exactly is the procedure leading to the /proc entry in /etc/fstab? I mean the kernel writes that into /etc/fstab - yes?
1181165131 M * marcfiu manually doing it in c.
1181165140 M * daniel_hozac ah, okay.
1181165148 M * marcfiu so anything better would be great!
1181165169 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: /etc/fstab? that's a configuration file.
1181165179 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: I know
1181165202 M * daniel_hozac so... nothing but you should be writing there ;)
1181165215 J * mire ~mire@4-168-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1181165239 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: well then sombody's on my machine since I didn't create the /proc line in /etc/fstab
1181165244 M * meandtheshell DebianGNU/Linux here
1181165261 M * Bertl the proc line is usually part of your distro
1181165264 M * daniel_hozac well, /proc, like / is one of those essential filesystems. it's probably put there by the installer.
1181165275 M * daniel_hozac (well, more or less essential)
1181165308 M * meandtheshell ok - so the installer is to blame
1181165322 M * daniel_hozac "blame"? how do you intend to use your system without /proc mounted?
1181165364 M * nox XO is the release of the olpc?
1181165384 M * meandtheshell well, there's no need to actually mount it since the kernel does it anyways
1181165407 M * meandtheshell so even without the proc line in /etc/fstab it works fine
1181165419 Q * fatgoose Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181165453 M * Bertl meandtheshell: no, the kernel doesn't
1181165468 M * meandtheshell I see - so that line is mandatory?
1181165475 M * Bertl a system without /proc mount, will have no /proc :)
1181165492 M * Bertl but no problem with that, it's not strictly required
1181165509 M * daniel_hozac it's just that a lot of things won't really work anymore. ;)
1181165597 M * meandtheshell all right ... but the system should run normally even without the /proc line in /etc/fstab but a lot of "pooling" tools which take their information wont work anymore - yes?
1181165634 M * meandtheshell take their information from /proc*
1181165812 M * daniel_hozac ype.
1181165834 M * Bertl ype?
1181165845 M * daniel_hozac yep, but with a twist ;)
1181165851 M * Bertl lol
1181165949 M * meandtheshell Bertl: you agree? /proc good to have but no problem if a system lacks it - I am not sure so ...
1181165971 M * meandtheshell but sounds logic ...
1181165977 M * Bertl meandtheshell: well, let me put it this way: you can get away without it :)
1181165984 M * meandtheshell lol
1181165991 M * Bertl never said it would be simple or fun! :)
1181165994 M * daniel_hozac but probably not with your average distro.
1181166009 M * daniel_hozac (without hacking it, that is)
1181166061 M * meandtheshell ok - thank you folks for that clarification 
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1181166561 M * Bertl meandtheshell: you're welcome! 
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1181170200 M * meandtheshell http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1112/debianwaymz3.png <--- the facts on DebianGNU/Linux , /etc/fstab and /proc
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1181170675 M * mstrobert Ah ha. openSUSE guest indeed wasn't starting because of /etc/init.d/rc .So I replaced it with just a script to execute "/etc/init.d/cups start", and now the vserver starts. Now I just need to see how to modify the correct openSUSE rc file to make it work. Yay.
1181170836 M * Bertl mstrobert: yay! make that and let us know/put it on the wiki
1181170891 M * mstrobert Bertl: will do. (er, assuming I succeed, that is :)
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