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1181013258 M * mugwump what's this namespace-cleanup-skip feature for
1181013280 M * mugwump I don't understand why it's necessary
1181013438 M * Bertl I guess, if you want certain stuff not to be cleaned up (removed) from the namespace?
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1181014587 M * Bertl anyway ... off to bed now ... have a good one!
1181014591 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1181031310 M * darktim hello || sali zäme
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1181036149 M * Guy- hi
1181036160 M * Guy- I'm trying to bind mount a filesystem into a running guest
1181036162 M * Guy- vnamespace -e 6 /usr/lib/util-vserver/secure-mount --bind --chroot /mnt/store/anonftp /store/anonftp
1181036177 M * Guy- this doesn't have the expected result; the new fs shows up in the guest's /proc/mounts
1181036188 M * Guy- but the contents of the directory does not
1181036219 M * Guy- the /store/anonftp mount point inside the guest stays empty
1181036224 M * Guy- what am I missing here?
1181038304 J * Aiken_ ~james@ppp233-152.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net
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1181039846 M * tokkee What are the most important (conceptual) changes since last year? ;-)
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1181046127 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1181046131 M * Bertl morning folks!
1181046305 M * Baby morning!! :)
1181046313 M * Baby afternoon here anyway :P ;)
1181046361 M * Bertl :)
1181046454 M * tokkee Bertl: Can you give me a one or two line summary of my question at 12:37?
1181046468 M * Bertl yep, ... sec
1181046529 M * Bertl Guy-: sounds interesting, what kernel/patch and tool version?
1181046568 M * Guy- Bertl: 2.6.20.11-vs2.2.0, 0.30.213
1181046593 M * Bertl tokkee: we finally got rid of the kernel side dynamic contexts, we are moving towards more *spaces, and ipv6 is coming :)
1181046612 M * Guy- Bertl: there's one possible twist - the root of the guest is mounted from its fstab and not available on the host; I'm not sure if that matters
1181046626 M * Bertl tokkee: besides that, only minor changes to accounting/limits 
1181046669 M * tokkee Bertl: Okay - thx.
1181046669 M * Bertl Guy-: where does stuff you touch in that dir end up?
1181046682 M * Guy- a sec
1181046689 M * Baby it is possible to run telnetd/sshd inside a vserver, isn't it?
1181046699 M * Bertl Baby: sure
1181046716 M * Baby oki, just in case :)
1181046718 M * Bertl Baby: but you need to restrict services on the host :)
1181046723 M * Baby hmm
1181046730 M * Baby restrict what?
1181046742 M * Bertl Baby: e.g. by default, sshd grabs IPADDR_ANY
1181046761 M * Bertl Baby: which will keep any guest from binding to port 22
1181046779 M * Baby ah oki, i understand what you mean now :)
1181046781 M * Bertl (sshd on the host, guests are automatically restricted)
1181046784 M * Guy- Bertl: it ends up in the rootfs of the guest, in the directory that should be the mountpoint of the bind mount
1181046804 M * Baby yup, i don't have a problem opening the port, but opening a virtual console when connecting
1181046809 M * Baby thanks Bertl :)
1181046813 M * Bertl Guy-: then it looks like you are modifying the wrong namespace
1181046832 M * Bertl Baby: you got /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts mounted?
1181046853 M * Bertl Baby: and your telnetd/sshd supports them?
1181046873 M * Guy- Bertl: how can that be? I have only one guest running and its context ID is 6 all right
1181046873 M * Baby hmm... /dev/ptmx ? that one i don't have
1181046877 M * Baby might be that :)
1181046890 M * Guy- Bertl: also, the new mount does show up in /proc/mounts inside the guest
1181046902 M * Guy- Bertl: so I'd say I'm modifying the right namespace
1181047035 J * chand_ ~chand@212.99.51.254
1181047098 Q * chand Read error: Connection reset by peer
1181047158 M * Bertl Guy-: yes, that is what looks funny
1181047229 M * Bertl Baby: definitely, that is the multiplexor/master
1181047263 M * Baby nup, i already had it, that was not the problem :(
1181047278 M * Baby i'll keep trying :)
1181047405 M * Bertl do you have 'screen' at hand?
1181047415 M * Baby nup
1181047425 M * Bertl nup?
1181047438 M * Baby i might try with a more verbose telnetd and see the exact error i guess
1181047454 M * Bertl sshd has a -d option
1181047477 M * Baby the connection is establishec, but cut suddenly when i telnet inside the vserver, not outside
1181047502 M * Baby yup, not using ssh but dropbear, but i still have a problem with the source of enthropy
1181047520 M * Bertl pool depleted?
1181047533 M * Baby random seems to block due to the lack of enthropy, that's why i'm trying with telnetd first
1181047560 M * sid3windr didn't the entropy thing get changed so that network traffic was not used anymore, only input stuff?
1181047567 M * Bertl Baby: get yourself an optical mouse and attach/load the driver :)
1181047572 M * sid3windr hmm, no, that can't be because then most servers won't work :p
1181047573 M * sid3windr hehe
1181047585 M * Bertl Baby: then put it on a reflective surface ...
1181047588 M * Baby XD
1181047597 M * sid3windr flicker flicker :)
1181047608 M * sid3windr but!
1181047614 M * sid3windr will that movement be random, Bertl ?
1181047616 M * sid3windr :]
1181047620 M * sid3windr if it's not moving
1181047642 M * Guy- Bertl: any ideas?
1181047669 M * Baby http://lldn.timesys.com/docs/about_entropy
1181047676 M * Baby maybe this will do for the entroppy
1181047691 M * Bertl well, the better way is to get a camera and a fire detector :)
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1181047890 M * Bertl Guy-: hmm, is the source of the --bind mount visible in the guest namespace?
1181048000 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254
1181048002 M * Guy- Bertl: I don't know how to answer that question; it's mounted on the host, and vnamespace -e 6 ls shows it, so I guess yes
1181048023 M * Guy- ah
1181048034 M * Guy- Ok, apparently the host mounted it after the guest started
1181048051 M * Guy- so that's why it doesn't work then
1181048077 M * Guy- any way around this?
1181048105 M * Guy- I can umount it on the host, and mount it in the guest, but how can I make them both see it?
1181048114 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: would it be possible to create a cross-namespace mount?
1181048127 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: definitely!
1181048145 M * daniel_hozac might be time to look at that ;)
1181048157 M * Bertl yes, we just have to figure an interface ...
1181048170 M * Bertl actually I was hoping that mainline would define it first
1181048183 M * daniel_hozac yes, that would be nice...
1181048249 M * Bertl but I'm fine with adding an interface to the syscall switch ...
1181048686 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0, 2.0.3-rc2, devel 2.3.0.12, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0 | util-vserver-0.30.213 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
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1181048836 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de
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1181055824 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-223-061.pools.arcor-ip.net
1181056228 J * j0lt ~j0lt@fhtagn.democrite.net
1181056452 M * j0lt hello, I have a little problem starting up a vserver
1181056459 M * j0lt when I do vserver test-lvs-lamp0 start
1181056470 M * j0lt I get the following error : 
1181056471 M * j0lt save_ctxinfo: open("/var/run/vservers/test-lvs-lamp0"): Permission denied
1181056580 M * j0lt anyone has an idea about what's going on here ? The directory /var/run/vservers/ exists, and I tried a chmod 777 to test, but it doesn't change anything
1181056664 M * DavidS|Kiel j0lt: ls -lad /var/run/vservers/test-lvs-lamp0 ?
1181056713 M * j0lt the file itself doesn't exist, I belive it is created when the vserver is started (?) and containes the context number
1181056739 M * Bertl what about the dir, and the permissions?
1181056749 M * j0lt If I create the file and put the context number in it, I still get the same error, and the file is beeing deleted in the process
1181056767 M * DavidS|Kiel ah .. /var/run/ ... sorry, I was reading /lib/
1181056783 M * Bertl j0lt: what kernel/patches/utils do you use?
1181056801 M * j0lt :~# ls -la /var/run/vservers
1181056801 M * j0lt total 8
1181056801 M * j0lt drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Jun 11  2006 .
1181056801 M * j0lt drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Jun  5 14:25 ..
1181056872 M * j0lt for the kernel / patch 2.6.17.13-vs2.0.2.1 , utils is util-vserver_0.30.212-1_i386.deb
1181056884 M * Bertl ah, debian?
1181056886 M * j0lt yes
1181056897 M * Bertl do you use tagxid?
1181056915 M * j0lt not that i know
1181056954 M * Bertl okay, could you upload the output of vserver-info - SYSINFO (to paste.linux-vserver.org) please?
1181056977 M * j0lt sure
1181057045 M * j0lt http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2243
1181057133 M * Bertl okay, let's do a 'vserver --debug test-lvs-lamp0 start'
1181057139 M * Bertl and upload that too please ...
1181057159 M * j0lt ok
1181057613 M * j0lt ok it's updated
1181057656 M * j0lt http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2245
1181057744 M * Bertl did you compile the tools yourself?
1181057834 M * j0lt the util-vserver ? no, it is the standard debian package (etch)
1181057873 J * yarihm ~yarihm@hg-public-dock-182-dhcp.ethz.ch
1181057923 M * Bertl j0lt: okay, as I do not see a reason for the strange behaviour, could you try with 0.30.213 (best mainline) and compile/install that?
1181057944 M * yarihm hi everyone ...
1181057981 M * yarihm i'm looking for a fedora core7 distribution-script. it seems as if the "newest" util-vserver does not yet provide for one?
1181057988 M * j0lt I acctualy tried using util-vserver_0.30.210-8bpo2_i386.deb instead too, to see if it was maybe a version problem of the package, but it's doing the same thing
1181058057 M * j0lt ok Bertl I'll try that
1181058282 M * Bertl my best guess would be some kind of weird permission issue, e.g. tagged filesystem or immutable flag set
1181058305 M * Bertl but the fact that you can create the file and it gets removed doesn't really support that
1181058922 M * Bertl okay, off to dinner, back later ...
1181058928 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1181058969 M * j0lt still getting the same error message even with the 0.30.213 util-vserver :/
1181059211 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: and the redhat one doesn't work, or what?
1181059237 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: the redhat one? you mean the redhat-util-vserver-package?
1181059287 M * daniel_hozac no, i mean the redhat script, which is used for fc*, rhl*, and centos*...
1181059293 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1181059321 M * daniel_hozac j0lt: showattr -d / /var /var/run /var/run/vservers
1181059354 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1181059375 M * j0lt ~# showattr -d / /var /var/run /var/run/vservers
1181059375 M * j0lt ---bui- /
1181059375 M * j0lt ---Bui- /var
1181059375 M * j0lt ---bui- /var/run
1181059375 M * j0lt ---bui- /var/run/vservers
1181059384 M * daniel_hozac there you go, that's your problem.
1181059397 M * daniel_hozac why do you have the barrier set on /var?
1181059442 M * j0lt mhh no idea how that happened :/ I don't remember changing anything like that
1181059484 M * yarihm umm ... I was just looking in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions, there are folders for fc[1-6], RH, centos4 and gentoo. I made a copy of the fc6 one and did a sed 's/6/7' for starters, but it seems that doesn't work. it's probably not an issue with the script itself but with something else. let me paste the error:
1181059498 M * j0lt thanks a lot for pointing this out daniel_hozac
1181059510 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: the repos got moved around for Fedora 7.
1181059517 M * daniel_hozac (with the merge of core and extras)
1181059520 M * yarihm ah
1181059560 M * daniel_hozac just get the repo files from fedora-release-7, put those in the yum.repos.d, replace $releasever with 7, and it should be fine
1181059574 M * yarihm so do you have an idea where this "fc7"-folder for /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions would be available then? I can fetch an .rpm and extract it from there, should be no problem
1181059579 M * yarihm ok
1181059692 M * yarihm I'll try to find these on a fedora-mirror. There is another problem though:
1181059694 M * yarihm root@ps3c-head$ vserver vfc6 build -m yum --context 4 --hostname=vfc6 --interface vfc6=eth1:10.0.9.2/32 -- -d fc6
1181059694 M * yarihm rpm-fake.so: vc_set_ccaps(): Unknown error 805451304
1181059694 M * yarihm rpm-fake.so: failed to initialize communication with resolver
1181059753 M * yarihm i've never seen this before ... bootstrapping a vserver with the debian-tools works fine (though these use probably -m skeleton and then do a debootstrap inside the created directory). The machine is PPC, might that be a problem? I've never seen this before on x86
1181059757 M * daniel_hozac what arch?
1181059786 M * daniel_hozac might be a problem with the alternative syscalls.
1181059810 M * yarihm kernel is 2.6.18, util-vserver is 0.30.212
1181059841 M * yarihm is there a way to fix this? I could upgrade to debian unstable ... would be 2.6.21 and 0.30.213
1181059847 M * daniel_hozac could you try with 0.30.213 and building with --disable-alternative-syscalls?
1181059881 M * yarihm I think I could ... will take a moment though, have to create a build-environment first
1181059955 M * yarihm thanks to vserver being enabled on this machine, that's done in a jiffy though :)
1181060086 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4CF4F.dip.t-dialin.net
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1181060595 M * matti :)
1181060888 J * hiaslboy ~hiaslboy@85-127-177-121.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1181060966 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-111-203.adsl.restena.lu
1181060983 M * hiaslboy hi everyone :-)
1181061014 M * hiaslboy does a git treeb exist :-)
1181061780 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1181061939 M * onox git? :p
1181061993 M * onox subverse the gitting bazaar!
1181062998 M * dilinger but arching the tlas from bzr?  you larch!
1181063066 M * onox :p
1181063156 M * dilinger tis a darcs day
1181063174 A * dilinger gets back to work
1181063447 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: I tried as you suggested, seems to work so far with --disable-alternative-syscalls
1181063476 M * yarihm but I didn't succeed in getting these .repo-files for fc7 ... should they be available on the mirrors?
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1181066710 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann
1181067178 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: you'll definitely want to talk to Bertl_oO about the syscalls.
1181067192 M * daniel_hozac and yes, they should be on all of the Fedora mirrors.
1181067204 M * yarihm called foo.repo?
1181067358 M * daniel_hozac yep, inside fedora-release-7-*
1181067360 M * yarihm Bertl_oO: I had a problem (vserver build ... -m yum -> rpm-fake.so: vc_set_ccaps(): Unknown error 805451304, rpm-fake.so: failed to initialize communication with resolver) on PPC. The problem was resolved through daniel_hozac's suggestion to use "--disable-alternative-syscalls" when compiling util-vserver
1181067416 M * yarihm there is not much more I can tell about it :) I could reproduce it if that would help though
1181067453 M * daniel_hozac well, we might need you to test some things...
1181067465 M * daniel_hozac you did try 0.30.213, right?
1181067670 M * yarihm not without --disable-alternative-syscalls. 0.30.213 would (in debian-terminology) be in sid, i got the source for that one, modified the configure-arguments and it worked. to get that version working on a debian stable i would need to compile it on my own anyway, so i used said configure-option. i can try 0.30.213 without it though, if you give me a moment to recompile it
1181067733 M * daniel_hozac ah, well, please try 0.30.213.
1181067800 M * yarihm ok ... give me a second
1181068096 M * yarihm i really like those PPCs ... they feel so quick under linux
1181068122 J * dlezcano1 ~dlezcano1@AToulouse-252-1-49-176.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr
1181068122 M * yarihm not particularly during the compile-procedure, but in normal use I mean
1181068659 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: 0.30.213 without --disable-alternative-syscalls  works fine here on a mac mini with debian 4.0 as host
1181068699 M * daniel_hozac okay then, so it's already been fixed.
1181068703 M * yarihm (sources taken from debian unstable, built on debian stable)
1181068989 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: these .repo-files are not available on the swiss country mirror ... i've grepped through the directory index of the mirror-server. are you quite sure they are stored on the mirrors verbatim and not contained in some .rpm?
1181069227 M * daniel_hozac 20:15 < daniel_hozac> yep, inside fedora-release-7-*
1181069234 M * daniel_hozac i.e. they are inside that rpm...
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1181073075 M * tokkee Are there any "official" plans for the future (role) of Linux-VServer after vanilla Kernel has adopted some kind of virtualization support?
1181073196 M * sid3windr when will that happen? :)
1181073206 M * sid3windr and perhaps THAT is linux-vserver's role? :P
1181073216 M * sid3windr err, no
1181073221 M * sid3windr linux-vserver is containerization
1181073222 M * sid3windr hehe
1181073374 M * tokkee This is currently happening...
1181073415 M * tokkee Well... containerization is imho just one special case of virtualization...
1181073565 M * sid3windr which virtualization support is being adopted by the vanilla kernel?
1181073572 Q * ktwilight_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1181073692 M * tokkee sid3windr: I'm not sure about details but they are including parts of all kinds of virtualization techniques...
1181073705 M * sid3windr :)
1181073708 M * sid3windr kvm is paravirtualization
1181073721 M * sid3windr and other stuff currently works together with linux-vserver afaik
1181073774 M * tokkee Sure, but afaik there are plans to include some kind of containerization as well (no specific implementation though, just picking up things here and there).
1181073805 M * tokkee It's just rumours I've heard - I was hoping to get some more detailsed information here :-)
1181073877 J * mstrobert ~mstrobert@wkstn.wycliffe.ca
1181073878 A * sid3windr eyes Bertl_oO 
1181074038 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@98.97-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1181074058 M * daniel_hozac tokkee: IPC and uts spaces are available in mainline since 2.6.19.
1181074092 M * tokkee daniel_hozac: What is "uts"?
1181074126 M * daniel_hozac kernel version, hostname, etc.
1181074130 M * daniel_hozac uname -a, basically.
1181074295 M * tokkee IC.
1181074320 M * tokkee So how do you think is the future of Linux-VServer going to look like?
1181074329 Q * ktwilight_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1181074440 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@98.97-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1181074717 M * daniel_hozac tokkee: hopefully the patch size will decrease over time...
1181074736 M * daniel_hozac tokkee: if we're eventually left with nothing but the syscall, i would not be sad. :)
1181074774 M * sid3windr hehe
1181074781 M * tokkee :-)
1181074817 M * tokkee daniel_hozac: You don't think it's going to be superfluous some time though?
1181074871 M * daniel_hozac well, if that were to ever happen, it's not going to be any time soon.
1181074893 M * tokkee Okay.
1181074896 M * tokkee Thanks!
1181074897 M * daniel_hozac the pid spaces have been "coming soon" since 2.6.19 or so.
1181074923 M * tokkee In mainline or linux-vserver?
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1181075007 M * daniel_hozac mainline.
1181075043 M * tokkee VServer does not support such thing, does it?
1181075049 M * daniel_hozac a pid space?
1181075066 M * daniel_hozac the isolation we do is functionally equivalent in most ways.
1181075144 M * daniel_hozac (and that's the most fundamental thing of a guest, that processes from different contexts cannot see/interact with eachother)
1181075167 M * tokkee Eh yes... I was thinking about having the same PID in different guests...
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1181075223 M * daniel_hozac and how is that a problem?
1181075265 M * tokkee It's not a problem - I just wanted to know if there is such thing (iirc people have asked for it in the past).
1181075295 M * daniel_hozac well, yes, the pid spaces will bring that.
1181075667 M * mstrobert I followed <http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/SuseVserverHowTo> but when starting the guest, I get "vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'opensuse-102-32'; returned value was ''". How do I give the server a "context" so I get a number from running (vserver-info opensuse-102-32 CONTEXT false)?
1181075692 M * daniel_hozac mstrobert: your guest is disappearing before it's done starting itself.
1181075714 M * daniel_hozac i.e. you're not starting any services, and you're not using the plain initstyle, nor have you made the context persistent.
1181075848 M * onox mstrobert: chroot into the vserver, add a service to your init, exit, start vserver
1181075927 M * mstrobert Hm, okay.
1181076020 M * onox i know it may sound stupid, but it's necessary :)
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1181076055 M * daniel_hozac or change to the plain initstyle, or make the context persistent.
1181076059 M * daniel_hozac it's not the only way, you know ;)
1181076133 M * onox or install gentoo
1181076136 M * onox ;)
1181076151 M * mstrobert onox: that would be nice, but it wouldn't help me package and run tests on openSUSE :)
1181076173 M * daniel_hozac gentoo initstyle won't start either without services, will it?
1181076173 M * onox mstrobert: you can run a opensuse guest in the vserver? :p
1181076188 M * mstrobert onox: I'm trying.
1181076191 M * onox daniel_hozac: no
1181076199 M * daniel_hozac so... how is that a "fix"?
1181076216 M * mstrobert onox, daniel_hozac: I have lots of stuff in my /etc/init.d and /etc/init.d/rc3.d. That's not sufficient?
1181076217 M * onox daniel_hozac: because gentoo > anything else?
1181076246 M * daniel_hozac mstrobert: nothing that's starting any sort of service.
1181076265 M * daniel_hozac onox: that's your opinion......
1181076272 M * onox daniel_hozac: :p
1181076295 M * onox daniel_hozac: would it be useful to make some sort of a dummy service?
1181076302 M * daniel_hozac you mean, like init?
1181076308 M * onox maybe
1181076315 M * mstrobert daniel_hozac: but /etc/init.d/rc3.d/S09sshd and S09cups, surely those do it?
1181076332 M * daniel_hozac mstrobert: could be the rc script isn't doing the right thing then.
1181076350 M * daniel_hozac last time i looked at building a SuSE guest, i just determined it would need a whole lot of loving before it worked smoothly
1181076371 M * daniel_hozac so i gave up, and figured someone interested in it would do it instead.
1181076375 M * onox how do you know which rc level the system is in?
1181076380 M * daniel_hozac runlevel
1181076398 M * daniel_hozac prints both the previous and current runlevels.
1181076471 M * mstrobert I'm not sure it's even trying to start anything; the error message seems to be a pre-flight failure and quit before actually doing anything. Immediately after (vserver opensuse-102-32 start), I get "vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'opensuse-102-32'; returned value was ''"
1181076522 M * daniel_hozac change the shebang of the rc script inside the guest to bash -x
1181076544 M * daniel_hozac should give you an idea of why it's bailing out.
1181076554 M * mstrobert Good idea.
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1181084069 M * slack101 anyone know any good web log analysis programs ?
1181084284 M * mstrobert I learned something today. If as root, you run (exec 0<> /dev/console 1>&0 2>&0) and then press Control-Enter, it restarts X. Who would have known.
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1181085854 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
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1181086074 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have fun!
1181086078 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1181086081 M * mstrobert have a good night
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